can you picture batman using guns as much as punisher does?

[hitokiri_]

well...??????

[urban_feral]

I can't see Bats using guns, and if you compare it to Punisher?
Nah, Punisher is a psycho, and Bats has a thing about guns and death.
Not gonna happen.

[Lester C.]

The Batman will and has used guns in the past just the like The Punisher. The distinction between the two characters is that The Batman’s gun is not loaded with bullets as the character refuses to kill despite the fact the claims he is fighting a war.

[Wonder Dude]

I avoid reading Punisher because of his use of guns. Guns are used in so many other media. It is more challenging for the characters not to use them. plus it would be so out of character for Batman to use them that I would ditch the book.

[Alan2099]

Current Batman and Allstar Batman I can see using guns. Not like Punisher doesn, but mounting them on the various Bat-vehciles. I can also see them switching over and putting more lethal weapons into the utility belt.

Then again, several months ago, I would have told you that I couldn't see Batman contamianting crime scenes and sticking a corpse on the wall with knives.

[Uatu]

I can't see Bats using guns at all. It seems no matter how crazy and detached he gets, that's the one rule that he still sticks to. And he definately wouldn't use them like Punisher does. Punisher is focused on wiping the scum off the Earth period, while Batman is more concernend with helping and trying to get things into balance.

[Shaun-zilla]

Well infact, bats did actualy use to use a gun. Back in the golden age, he had a small pistol. And a special war issue see's him mounting a machine gun...mowing down nazis.

[1HELLBOY]

The Batman will and has used guns in the past just the like The Punisher. The distinction between the two characters is that The Batman’s gun is not loaded with bullets as the character refuses to kill despite the fact the claims he is fighting a war.



You must not like Batman.



He doesn't use guns right now. Pre-Crisis Batman did, and that's why we needed something to fix that. He'd never use a gun now, ever.

When has he used an unloaded gun recently? Name one time.

[davids]

Old, no, bad leg, no, bad heart.....maybe not. It was when he was getting beaten with a pipe and the only way he could save himself and the girl was to pick up one of the bad guys pistols! After he went back to the Bat cave a quit!

[1HELLBOY]

Old, no, bad leg, no, bad heart.....maybe not. It was when he was getting beaten with a pipe and the only way he could save himself and the girl was to pick up one of the bad guys pistols! After he went back to the Bat cave a quit!


In Batman Beyond, he WAS old. If I remember correctly. :rolleyes:

[Lester C.]

You must not like Batman.



He doesn't use guns right now. Pre-Crisis Batman did, and that's why we needed something to fix that. He'd never use a gun now, ever.

When has he used an unloaded gun recently? Name one time.

I love Batman as I think he is one of the most fascinating characters in all of literature. If you are speaking of a gun a tool that fires rapidly moving projectiles than yes Batman has used them in a non lethal manner. A good example of this would be the very excellent Batman the Cult trade paperback which written By Jim Starlin and drawn by Bernie Wrightson which is a post crisis tale.

As shown in early issue of Nightwing while the Batman hates guns he is not afraid of them. I don’t know if it still in continuity but Bruce used to have a whole arsenal of guns from all eras in the cave.

[davids]

In Batman Beyond, he WAS old. If I remember correctly. Yes he was but that is not why he quit. It was because he had to use a gun. It was the gun that convinced him he was to old! Dont feel sad old bruce more likely or not gets a kick out of the idea that Superman has to still go out to face the baddies.

When Bruce can send his half clone [terry]to face the bad guys. Bruce,"Kent called, nothing apopoltic just needs some advise. Says he will meet you on top of metropolise tower!"

[seaidan]

I can picture a guy in a Batman suit gunning people down a la the Punisher if that counts.

[The Demon's Head]

No, I can't imagine him ever using guns again (see, "Batman: Year Two"). IMO, it just doesn't make sense character-wise; why would he use the very tool that brought about the death of his parents when his goal is to make sure that no child should ever have to witness what he did? It would feel like he IS just a common vigilante like the Punisher who can be destroyed, rather than a legend who means something to people...

[1HELLBOY]

I love Batman as I think he is one of the most fascinating characters in all of literature. If you are speaking of a gun a tool that fires rapidly moving projectiles than yes Batman has used them in a non lethal manner. A good example of this would be the very excellent Batman the Cult trade paperback which written By Jim Starlin and drawn by Bernie Wrightson which is a post crisis tale.

As shown in early issue of Nightwing while the Batman hates guns he is not afraid of them. I don’t know if it still in continuity but Bruce used to have a whole arsenal of guns from all eras in the cave.


I thought you meant a real gun.

But my point is that he'd never use a real gun. As someone mentioned before, why would he use a tool that took his parents away? The answer is: He wouldn't. Maybe as a crowd subduer, with rubber bullets. But nothing lethal. I understand that you meant this.

[1HELLBOY]

In Batman Beyond, he WAS old. If I remember correctly. Yes he was but that is not why he quit. It was because he had to use a gun. It was the gun that convinced him he was to old! Dont feel sad old bruce more likely or not gets a kick out of the idea that Superman has to still go out to face the baddies.

When Bruce can send his half clone [terry]to face the bad guys. Bruce,"Kent called, nothing apopoltic just needs some advise. Says he will meet you on top of metropolise tower!"



I really don't remember him picking up a gun. All I remember is the crooks almost getting away. And then we see Batman outside the warehouse, breathing heavily, holding his chest. I don't remember anything about him holding a gun.

[monkeyjunkie]

You must not like Batman.



He doesn't use guns right now. Pre-Crisis Batman did, and that's why we needed something to fix that. He'd never use a gun now, ever.

When has he used an unloaded gun recently? Name one time.

in Detective comics #710 bcak in Chuck Dixons run Batman uses a gun to shoot and disarm a criminal that is otherwise gonna kill some hostages (IIRC) Check it out, the cover even features the bat with a gun, and inside he explains his philosophy on using them.

So yeah, not only has he used a gun post crisis, and pretty far post crisis at that he has used a loaded fully operational gun on a person.

[Mia]

I avoid reading Punisher because of his use of guns. Guns are used in so many other media. It is more challenging for the characters not to use them. plus it would be so out of character for Batman to use them that I would ditch the book.

I completely agree. Furthermore, The Punnisher is basically an ape and a brute. Batman is supposed to be smart and smooth. It's still beyond me why DC has allowed Frank Miller morph Batman into a Punnisher clone in BRAS.

[mohammedali]

well...??????
I'm almost expecting it in ASB&R the way FMs going :P

Mohammed Ali

[1HELLBOY]

in Detective comics #710 bcak in Chuck Dixons run Batman uses a gun to shoot and disarm a criminal that is otherwise gonna kill some hostages (IIRC) Check it out, the cover even features the bat with a gun, and inside he explains his philosophy on using them.

So yeah, not only has he used a gun post crisis, and pretty far post crisis at that he has used a loaded fully operational gun on a person.



Detective Comics #710

Posted: Monday, March 31
By: Ray Tate
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Writer: Chuck Dixon
Artist: Jim Aparo(p), Bill Sienciewicz(i)
Publisher: DC

One of the worst issues of Detective Comics.

Batman despises guns. Well, not exactly. Bob Kane's and Bill Finger's original vigilante, though relishing the snap of a criminal's neck via judo throw or lariat, did not object to a firearm when disposing of Hugo Strange's Monster Men or the Monk.

The post-Crisis Batman loathes guns. He will not use guns. This we can say without reservation, and before you whip out your copies of Batman: Year Two, that story no longer counts. Every post-Crisis Dark Knight tale in which you see Batman wield a gun occurs in an Elseworld or Legends format.

Mike Barr's introduction to his follow-up Full Circle/B> in fact suggests his stint, abetted by the always brilliant Alan Davis, with DETECTIVE was entirely imaginary. In addition, the canonicity of Batman: Cult must be regarded suspiciously since its only mention and significance occurs in the Justice League.

The post-Crisis Batman will not use guns. However, in light of Denny O' Neil's "moving" speech, in this month's Previews, about world peace in the Batcave, I'm going to ignore Batman's out-of-character gun use and instead pose a question. Was the gun absolutely necessary, or did ham-fisted Chuck Birds of Prey Dixon simply contrive a means to lock and load a firearm in the Dark Knight's hand?

In the revised continuity, Batman and Deathstroke never before crossed swords; "The City of Assassins" storyarc died in the Zero Hour. Still, Batman is aware of the killer's reputation and rumored meta-human abilities, yet the Dim Knight announces himself when all he must do, after wisely keeping his mouth shut, is a) hit Wilson with knock-out gas from his utility belt, b) nail the killer using a batarang, c) drop him using anesthetized bat-darts, d) lasso his arms together or even e) utilize explosive charges to blow apart the masonry directly behind Deathstroke--causing confusion and contusions in a single act. Lives depend on Batman, but rather than engage in strategy one expects from "the world's greatest detective," he thinks with his fists. Brilliant, Dark Knitwit. After disposing of Wilson--say lashing him to a flag-pole--Batman can then swim out to the yacht, an easy physical feat for the ultimate athlete, board the craft and eliminate Gun-Hawk who when compared to Smith & Weson's favorite stock-holder, the Punisher, is an amateur.

Although packing two semi-automatic weapons, the sap can only score successful hits on inanimate objects--occasionally. Using the noise-makers as a cover, Batman does not even need to employ extra stealth in order to sneak up on the imbecile and work his knowledge of the nerves.

Quick and painless, the smart version of this book can be written on an index card, but Mr. Dixon drags about twenty pages worth of your time to show a dullard Batman beating up an unlikable Deathstroke in order to prevent the cross-eyed Gun-Hawk from killing an innocent man. Not only is this without a doubt the most obscenely stupid Chuck Dixon Detective it is also my last.



You mean that?

[Headhunter]

Doesn't really work, though it'd be jarring if he ever did it.

Assuming it isn't against robots, or clones, or...

[Guts/Batman]

No, I definitely cannot see him doing what he does with guns. Though it was surprising that he bought one in Bruce Wayne: Murderer, when he has an arsenal in his basemant...

I think the Punisher has his own reason for using them and his own charm. I like him personally (as I am a fan of most anti-heroes) but not as much as I like Batman.