The Sentry-the first to leave the Avengers?

[SnakeEater]

I just saw the first four pages to his lates mini series, and i truly believe Reynolds will be the first one to leave the team. Forget Spiderman, Wolverine or even Spiderwomen being the first, i really think its this guy.
Those first five pages show him already not being a team player, worried more about problems around the world and not what his boss Tony is saying. i am not saying he is a bad character and that the rest of the series might not change this, but i really think he is the only out of place one in teh avengers at this point. what i am saying is that he will most likely leave and make a name for himself after a year of avengers and then rejoin or something

[Jagernaut]

It's something Jenkins made up for him. All those little blurbs are CLOC telling Sentry about accidents all over the world, and he has to prioritize them himself. Basically, if he helps the people in the mineshaft, the people in the fire will die.

[protege]

I just saw the first four pages to his lates mini series, and i truly believe Reynolds will be the first one to leave the team. Forget Spiderman, Wolverine or even Spiderwomen being the first, i really think its this guy.
Those first five pages show him already not being a team player, worried more about problems around the world and not what his boss Tony is saying. i am not saying he is a bad character and that the rest of the series might not change this, but i really think he is the only out of place one in teh avengers at this point. what i am saying is that he will most likely leave and make a name for himself after a year of avengers and then rejoin or something
Besides, isn't he sort of on "probation" with them, meaning he HAS to stay for awhile?

[Will.S]

It's something Jenkins made up for him. All those little blurbs are CLOC telling Sentry about accidents all over the world, and he has to prioritize them himself. Basically, if he helps the people in the mineshaft, the people in the fire will die.
That was an interesting concept that Peter David tackled over in Captain Marvel with regards to Genis's cosmic awareness. The fact that one had to die because due to a choice on his part was a big contributor to driving him insane.

Looks like Sentry has that in the form of Cloc. I honestly can't wait for this mini especially since Paul is writing it again.

[Kevinroc]

That was an interesting concept that Peter David tackled over in Captain Marvel with regards to Genis's cosmic awareness. The fact that one had to die because due to a choice on his part was a big contributor to driving him insane.

Looks like Sentry has that in the form of Cloc. I honestly can't wait for this mini especially since Paul is writing it again.

Well, CLOC is there to keep Sentry from going insane and to make the choices for him since he couldn't do it himself. So it's a little different from what happened with Genis.

[Will.S]

Well, CLOC is there to keep Sentry from going insane and to make the choices for him since he couldn't do it himself. So it's a little different from what happened with Genis.
Well duh :p

[Taskmaster]

I just can't wait to see Cloc again, plus I want to see Watchdog in costume :D

[steve2275]

whats cloc?

[Kevinroc]

whats cloc?

Centrally Located Organic Computer.

It's the computer that guides The Sentry's life and makes the choices of what The Sentry should be doing at any given moment.

[SnakeEater]

see i didnt know anything about the sentry (and although im not a fan of him at all, im giving the mini series a try) so i didnt know who (CLOC) was telling him everything, but thats beside the point. Yes he is on probation with teh NA now, thats why i said, after a year or two i expect him to leave. He is just too powerful and doesnt have a place there. they are only helping him get back into life. just feels to me like spiderman and wolvie will be there and this guy is just going to go fight fires while Loki comes to kill everything.

[Doom Hammer]

see i didnt know anything about the sentry (and although im not a fan of him at all, im giving the mini series a try) so i didnt know who (CLOC) was telling him everything, but thats beside the point. Yes he is on probation with teh NA now, thats why i said, after a year or two i expect him to leave. He is just too powerful and doesnt have a place there. they are only helping him get back into life. just feels to me like spiderman and wolvie will be there and this guy is just going to go fight fires while Loki comes to kill everything.

Well, no.

The Sentry is incredibly powerful and lacking in direction. Cloc tells him at any given moment where he and his powers can be best applied. If Cloc has to choose between a kitten stuck in a tree against Kang coming around, Cloc will tell the Sentry that he should go help the Avengers. It assesses where the Sentry can save the most lives. Cloc isn't gonna send him off to do some boring public service when there's super-villains with asses to kick.

I mean, he's perfectly suited for the New Avengers. He's ridiculously, cosmically powered, and yet he has a legitimate reason to not be involved with every one of the Avengers' scuffles against guys like the Wrecker. There's more important places he has to be. But when the big ones roll around, well, the Sentry stands, ever-vigilant.

Plus, he is (arguably) Earth's Mightiest Hero.

The Sentry fits the New Avengers like a glove, really.

I heart the Sentry. :D

[The Shadow]

He is just too powerful
Why can't you be powerful and on the Avengers? Magneto, Xavier, Jean Grey Rachel and Emma Frost are all uber-powerful... but no one says they can't be on the X-Men.

And the Avengers have their share of uber-types. Wanda is powerful enough to alter reality, Thor and Herc are gods... and the uber guy like Superman works on the JLA... no I'm not saying he's a Supes clone, but the power levels are similar.

To pigeonhole the Avengers into not having members that are "too powerful" is silly and would limit potential stories.

[XPac]

Why can't you be powerful and on the Avengers? Magneto, Xavier, Jean Grey Rachel and Emma Frost are all uber-powerful... but no one says they can't be on the X-Men.

And the Avengers have their share of uber-types. Wanda is powerful enough to alter reality, Thor and Herc are gods... and the uber guy like Superman works on the JLA... no I'm not saying he's a Supes clone, but the power levels are similar.

To pigeonhole the Avengers into not having members that are "too powerful" is silly and would limit potential stories.


You don't think it's a problem having a character powerful enough to stalemate Galactus on the team? Put yourself in the writers position... who the heck is going to pose any sort of threat to the Avengers with him on the team?

That's the problem here is that Sentry's power levels aren't similiar to Superman... the people arguing that his power levels should NOT be reduced aren't seeing that. Look at how Void manhandled all those superheroes... that's just a taste of how powerful he is. A collection of heroes that big and that powerful couldn't even slow the Void down. He's more powerful than half a dozen superheroe teams.

If they do tone him down to Superman or Thor levels, then it's all good. That's still extremely powerful yet managable.

[Alan2099]

The deal with Sentry isn't that he's weak physically. He's weak mentally. That's the point that needs to be explored. He's the type of guy that could push the moon from orbit, but he can't decided what to do with himself on a normal basis.

[The Shadow]

You don't think it's a problem having a character powerful enough to stalemate Galactus on the team? Put yourself in the writers position... who the heck is going to pose any sort of threat to the Avengers with him on the team?

That's the problem here is that Sentry's power levels aren't similiar to Superman... the people arguing that his power levels should NOT be reduced aren't seeing that. Look at how Void manhandled all those superheroes... that's just a taste of how powerful he is. A collection of heroes that big and that powerful couldn't even slow the Void down. He's more powerful than half a dozen superheroe teams.
Captain America stood toe-to-toe with Thanos... not to mention the Beyonder... and Doom almost killed the Beyonder.

It can be done.

[XPac]

Captain America stood toe-to-toe with Thanos... not to mention the Beyonder... and Doom almost killed the Beyonder.

It can be done.

Not saying it can't be done... just saying it's not a good idea to put yourself in a position where it has to be done every month.

Believe it or not there were valid reasons for DC to depower pre-Crisis Superman from the guy that could destroy galaxies with a sneeze. Heck, even at Superman's current power levels (which I would argue is below what Sentry potentially is capable of), he often has to be written like a moron so that his fights aren't over in a fraction of a second.

It's also going to be a huge balancing act because of the difference in power levels of the team. If you're going to create a villian or threat that's a potential threat to Sentry, then you gotta ask yourself how much of a contribution Spiderman or Cage is going to be against that threat.

Those are my reasons for thinking it's not a good idea. Does anyone have any reason to think it's a GOOD idea to have a near Galactus level guy on the team?

[Doom Hammer]

Not saying it can't be done... just saying it's not a good idea to put yourself in a position where it has to be done every month.

The thing you're forgetting (ignoring?) is that Sentry has built-in reasons to not fight alongside the Avengers. Cloc tells him where to go. If Cloc decides fighting alongside the Avengers isn't the most productive place for him, he'll go somewhere else, and sit a particular battle out. There's always something else for the Sentry to do.

He will not be there every month. He will not be a constant member. Bendis and Jenkins installed a failsafe in him to get rid of the problem you addressed.

[Exo]

... what i am saying is that he will most likely leave and make a name for himself...

That would be some task seeing as the watchtower is literally attached to the New Avengers building.

*Doom Hammer did not make that statement. SnakeEater did.

[Doom Hammer]

That would be some task seeing as the watchtower is literally attached to the New Avengers building.

Could you change your quote maybe? I never said that. Snake Eater did. Thanks a lot.

[XPac]

The thing you're forgetting (ignoring?) is that Sentry has built-in reasons to not fight alongside the Avengers. Cloc tells him where to go. If Cloc decides fighting alongside the Avengers isn't the most productive place for him, he'll go somewhere else, and sit a particular battle out. There's always something else for the Sentry to do.

He will not be there every month. He will not be a constant member. Bendis and Jenkins installed a failsafe in him to get rid of the problem you addressed.

I'm not forgetting or ignoring anything... I simply don't know if Bendis will use Sentry every month or not. Maybe you read an interview or something where Bendis said that and if that's the case, cool. I don't think Cloc necessarily means he won't be there in every adventure... Wolvie's been there every mission since he joined and he's operating in 3 other teams. Comic books characters are amazing efficient with time management it seems.

[Exo]

Could you change your quote maybe? I never said that. Snake Eater did. Thanks a lot.

No, but I can edit it.