Who is Faster Northstar or Quicksilver

[Manchine]

Who is Faster Northstar or Quicksilver (with Isotope E).


Please vote. :D

[riotgear]

Northstar can potentially reach near-lightspeed limits. From the Marvel Handbook:

Strength Level: Athlete; (legs) Superhuman
Speed: Speed of sound
Flight Speed: Sub-light speed
Stamina: Superhuman
Durability: Enhanced human
Agility: Peak human
Reflexes: Superhuman
Fighting Skills: Good hand-to-hand combatant using a style utilizing his superhuman speed, received coaching from Puck
Special Skills and Abilities: Olympic-champion skier
Superhuman Physical Powers: Aside from the above listed attributes, Northstar can create cyclones by running in circles, can run up walls and across water, can breathe while traveling at subsonic speeds. It is currently unclear whether he still possesses the ability to generate bright light at will when linking hands with his sister, Aurora
Superhuman Mental Powers: None
Special Limitations: Northstar cannot reach his full potential speed of 99% of the speed of light for practical reasons, including his inability to breathe at such speeds and the damage to his body from wind and friction.

[Manchine]

Although he has never even came close to those speeds. He has the ability to reach those speeds if it weren't for the limits on his body.

Of course the opposite question also is what is Quicksilver new speed with Isotope E?

[Michael P]

Quicksilver, by virtue of the fact that he's not dead.

[StoneGold]

Quicksilver, by virtue of the fact that he's not dead.
Neither is Northstar. Kind of. He's alive, more or less, but as a resurrected Hand ninja in SHIELD custody.

[riotgear]

Although he has never even came close to those speeds. He has the ability to reach those speeds if it weren't for the limits on his body.

Of course the opposite question also is what is Quicksilver new speed with Isotope E?

Well, he was able to run from NYC to Slorenia, Europe in 5 minutes pushing himself (yes, he ran across the water). So, if Slorenia is near the Ukraine, which is 5200 miles from NYC to the capital of the Ukraine, you can figure he can run at about 78,000 mph. That is approximately 130 times the speed of sound.

Lightspeed is at 983,571,056.431 feet per second, or 186,282.397 miles per second, if my calculations are correct. So, Northstar is still potentially 7200 times faster than Quicksilver.

[Manchine]

Well, he was able to run from NYC to Slorenia, Europe in 5 minutes pushing himself (yes, he ran across the water). So, if Slorenia is near the Ukraine, which is 5200 miles from NYC to the capital of the Ukraine, you can figure he can run at about 78,000 mph. That is approximately 130 times the speed of sound.

Lightspeed is at 983,571,056.431 feet per second, or 186,282.397 miles per second, if my calculations are correct. So, Northstar is still potentially 7200 times faster than Quicksilver.

The problem with that is his body cant take it. That potentially is the part thats the big IF. So we have two people who have Unknown limits to there speed. So this pretty much comes down to an opinion.

[riotgear]

The problem with that is his body cant take it. That potentially is the part thats the big IF. So we have two people who have Unknown limits to there speed. So this pretty much comes down to an opinion.

On that, I agree with you.

[Manchine]

Which is the reason why I am posting this. Its actually a debate going on another thread. (Not even from this site. LOL) Of course one person who is argueing it is a DC Fanatics and really just like to argue about anything. Doesn't like to listen to what other people say. So I just said fine lets see what people think. Right or wrong it will be over with. Hopefully!

[crystalline green]

What annoys the hell out of me is that Northstar's original powers have changed since Austen started using him in Adjectiveless X-men. Previously Northstar wasn't a superspeed runner at all. He was a superspeed flyer. His mutant gift was to be able to control the atomic motion of his molecules to give him highspeed flight. That's what distinguished him (and his sister Aurora) from speedsters like Quicksilver and Whizzer whose physiology made them speedsters (i.e. they have enhanced musculature, metabolism, reaction-time, etc). It was only during Austen's run on the X-men that he seemed to have been converted into a more conventional speedster. I wish they'd go back to the original concept because it made him more unique.

[thik_3rd]

What annoys the hell out of me is that Northstar's original powers have changed since Austen started using him in Adjectiveless X-men. Previously Northstar wasn't a superspeed runner at all. He was a superspeed flyer. His mutant gift was to be able to control the atomic motion of his molecules to give him highspeed flight. That's what distinguished him (and his sister Aurora) from speedsters like Quicksilver and Whizzer whose physiology made them speedsters (i.e. they have enhanced musculature, metabolism, reaction-time, etc). It was only during Austen's run on the X-men that he seemed to have been converted into a more conventional speedster. I wish they'd go back to the original concept because it made him more unique.
i thought he was still a flyer in austen's run. remember the issue he first joined the team when he was flying through the air trying to save that little kid.

[crystalline green]

i thought he was still a flyer in austen's run. remember the issue he first joined the team when he was flying through the air trying to save that little kid.

He was still a flyer than (and presumably is now) but throughout most of Austen's tenure he was depicted running more often than not. In the original Alpha Flight you never (at least to the best of my memory) saw JP running. His powers weren't supposed to work that way: they were flight based.

[mattbib]

What annoys the hell out of me is that Northstar's original powers have changed since Austen started using him in Adjectiveless X-men. Previously Northstar wasn't a superspeed runner at all. He was a superspeed flyer. His mutant gift was to be able to control the atomic motion of his molecules to give him highspeed flight. That's what distinguished him (and his sister Aurora) from speedsters like Quicksilver and Whizzer whose physiology made them speedsters (i.e. they have enhanced musculature, metabolism, reaction-time, etc). It was only during Austen's run on the X-men that he seemed to have been converted into a more conventional speedster. I wish they'd go back to the original concept because it made him more unique. He's always been capable of superspeed in addition to his flight, which is how he won medals in skiing. Austen utilized this speed more than most other writers, but it's always been there.

[mattbib]

Well, he was able to run from NYC to Slorenia, Europe in 5 minutes pushing himself (yes, he ran across the water).Greece, actually, in Avengers #40, but the same idea.

[The Lucky One]

This is, of course, subjective, but my take on it is that Northstar is by far the faster in a straightaway; he'd leave Quicksilver in the dust. However, Quicksilver has much better reaction time and reflexes, and he can stop and turn on a dime, so he might win a race through a maze or obstacle course or something. Remember that (as shown in X-Factor #87) Quicksilver lives his entire life in superspeed- he literally can't shut it off, whereas there's never been any indication that's true of Northstar. My feeling is that Jean-Paul has to actually shift into superspeed perception, so to speak, whereas Pietro is there at all times, so he'd always get the drop on Jean-Paul. But again, highly subjective.

-D

[marshal99]

Wonder why the runner never asked Northstar to the cosmic race in Quasar when he asked the likes of Captain Marvell II and Black Racer. :)

[Dermie]

He was still a flyer than (and presumably is now) but throughout most of Austen's tenure he was depicted running more often than not. In the original Alpha Flight you never (at least to the best of my memory) saw JP running. His powers weren't supposed to work that way: they were flight based.

Northstar had been shown using his speed to run prior to Austen's run. You're right that it was more common to see him fly, but he did run on occassion.

Wonder why the runner never asked Northstar to the cosmic race in Quasar when he asked the likes of Captain Marvell II and Black Racer.

I wondered the same thing.
Perhaps the Runner is homophobic? :rolleyes: Also, Northstar was gone from Earth for an extended period in the Alpha Flight book--could that Quasar story have taken place during that period?

[marvelboy]

It has been theorized that Quicksilver might have control over time making it seem like he is running at high speeds.

[crystalline green]

He's always been capable of superspeed in addition to his flight, which is how he won medals in skiing. Austen utilized this speed more than most other writers, but it's always been there.

Perhaps...but when you think about it skiing is not like running. In fact, my personal experience of skiiing is that it's a bit like flying. I could still see him cheating at skiing by "controlling the atomic motion" of the molecules in his body as his powers were originally described.

Here is an excerpt from the earlier Marvel Handbooks:

"Northstar is a mutant who possesses the ability to propel his body at superhuman speed, becoming a living projectile. Through an act of concentration, Northstar can channel a portion of the kinetic energy of the atomic motion in his body's molecules in a single direction. This can accelerate his body in a velocity in direct proportion to the amount of kinetic energy he has tapped. It is theoretically possible for him to reach 99% of the speed of light (286,272 miles per second in a vacuum), although he never traveled at anywhere near that speed since if he did, he would wreak great damage upon himself and his environment."

The following in an excerpt from Quicksilver's:

"Quicksilver is a mutant who possesses the superhuman capacity to think and move at great speeds. His entire body is adapted towards the rigors of high-speed running. His cardiovascular and respiratory systems are many times more efficient than those of a normal human being. He metabolizes an estimated 95% of the caloric energy content of foodstuffs (normal human use is about 25%). The chemical processes of Quicksilver's musculature are so highly enhanced that his body does not generate fatigue poisons, the normal by-products of locomotion, which force the body to rest. Rather, his body constantly expels waste products during his accelerated respiration through exhalation. His joints are smoother and lubricated more efficiently than those of a normal human being. His tendons have the tensile strength of spring steel. His bones contain unknown materials significantly more durable than calcium to withstand the dynamic shocks of his feet touching the ground at speeds of over 100 miles per hour. Quicksilver's practical reaction time is about five times faster than a normal human's and the speed at which his brain processes information is heightened to a level commensurate with his bodily speed, enabling him to perceive his surroundings while traveling at high velocities. Quicksilver's lachrymose is more viscous than normal, thus preventing rapid evaporation and replenishment of surface fluids on his eyeballs under the influence of high wind velocity to occlude his vision."

[tangentman]

However, Aurora & Northstar used speedster stunts in Alpha Flight back issues.

Aurora ran down the purse-snatcher in the spotlight issues around #7 or #8 and blocked his path by running wherever he attempted to dodge at high speeds.

Both Aurora and Northstar have hit people at superhuman speed. In fact, Northstar belted Sasquatch around a hundred times in roughly a second in Alpha Flight #12, volume 1.

[crystalline green]

However, Aurora & Northstar used speedster stunts in Alpha Flight back issues.

Aurora ran down the purse-snatcher in the spotlight issues around #7 or #8 and blocked his path by running wherever he attempted to dodge at high speeds.

Both Aurora and Northstar have hit people at superhuman speed. In fact, Northstar belted Sasquatch around a hundred times in roughly a second in Alpha Flight #12, volume 1.

It's debatable whether Aurora actually "ran down" the purse snatcher as opposed to hovering a few inches off the ground and zipping ahead of him. We never see the motion of her running (the blurred movement of her legs to indicate that she was actually running). As to her and Northstar's ability to hit people at superspeed, Aurora's bio (which is the same as Northstar's) says this:

"Aurora can also move a portion of her body at superhuman speed at a time. Hence, she can overpower an opponent by hitting him repeatedly at superhuman speed with her fist..."

So yes, Byrne established early on that the twins could move a portion of their bodies at superspeed, but it was only later writers than depicted them running.

[Blackcat]

This seems more, who do you like more, because according to the Marvel Handbook Northstar is faster, so no discussion needed really.

[Paradox]

Well, Cat, the problem is that Quicksilver's powers have changed since the Handbooks came out, and Northstar's "near light" speed is only theoretical. The actual top end each can move has gone into the speculative area...so, discussion really is needed.

[Terman8er]

Carp, I voted QS by mistake. Oh well.

I vote Northstar. Why? "potential" is just that. Potential.

What we really need is examples of thier speed. We have one for Quicksilver, what 7100 times the speed of sound?

Not having my Alpha Flight issues in front of me, does anyone have an example of Northstars top displayed speed?

[Terman8er]

Which is the reason why I am posting this. Its actually a debate going on another thread. (Not even from this site. LOL) Of course one person who is argueing it is a DC Fanatics and really just like to argue about anything. Doesn't like to listen to what other people say. So I just said fine lets see what people think. Right or wrong it will be over with. Hopefully!

And what's sad is your need to run off to another site to elicit support for YOUR lack of an arguement.

Your whole arguement disolved into "becasue of Isotope E QS's top speed is unknown"... :rolleyes:

[The Lucky One]

It has been theorized that Quicksilver might have control over time making it seem like he is running at high speeds.

Hmm... wouldn't that then raise the same questions that are unanswered about the new Zoom? Namely, how is his body able to withstand the huge distances he's traversing? The Flash can do it because his body is attuned to speed and generates an anti-friction field; his powers center around him being a runner. But a guy who's just warping time around himself and is traversing the Earth multiple times is going to generate blisters like a mofo, and way worse than that... we're talking sore joints, muscle fatigue, all that stuff. Even given a lifetime, a guy who tries running around the world is going to wear down his body something fierce, and Zoom and Quicksilver do that every day and twice on Sunday. I'd think Quicksilver, at least, would have to be speed-based, not time.

-D

[The Fury]

Not to be picky here but what are we talking. On land? as Quicsilver would beat Nrothstar easy, in the air, well Northstar would probably win (quicksilver running on land as he can't fly).

But for those who said Northstar can travel near the speed of Light, this is wrong. he is limted by something that makes it nearly impossible to travel above MACH 10. It is presumed that if he goes beyond this it cuased stress on his body or something like that, I heard..

[Anthony]

And what's sad is your need to run off to another site to elicit support for YOUR lack of an arguement.

Your whole arguement disolved into "becasue of Isotope E QS's top speed is unknown"... :rolleyes:

Is this a HeroClix thing?

[Anthony]

Hmm... wouldn't that then raise the same questions that are unanswered about the new Zoom? Namely, how is his body able to withstand the huge distances he's traversing? The Flash can do it because his body is attuned to speed and generates an anti-friction field; his powers center around him being a runner. But a guy who's just warping time around himself and is traversing the Earth multiple times is going to generate blisters like a mofo, and way worse than that... we're talking sore joints, muscle fatigue, all that stuff. Even given a lifetime, a guy who tries running around the world is going to wear down his body something fierce, and Zoom and Quicksilver do that every day and twice on Sunday. I'd think Quicksilver, at least, would have to be speed-based, not time.

-D

I guess there could be a space folding segment to the power as well. Or a form of stasis being placed on the body, so that the body feels normal when it's in time dilated mode. The Stasis obviously wouldn't be of the form of immobile, but just general overall body function.

[marvelboy]

actually im wondering if speed demon is faster than quicksilver and northstar

[tangentman]

It's debatable whether Aurora actually "ran down" the purse snatcher as opposed to hovering a few inches off the ground and zipping ahead of him. We never see the motion of her running (the blurred movement of her legs to indicate that she was actually running). As to her and Northstar's ability to hit people at superspeed, Aurora's bio (which is the same as Northstar's) says this:

"Aurora can also move a portion of her body at superhuman speed at a time. Hence, she can overpower an opponent by hitting him repeatedly at superhuman speed with her fist..."

So yes, Byrne established early on that the twins could move a portion of their bodies at superspeed, but it was only later writers than depicted them running.

If you feel that way, then you need to go reread those issues. Nothing in her pose indicated that she was "flying", the woman was RUNNING. She zipped up the sidewalk in a pose normally used by characters when they run, even at superhuman speed. Aurora stayed pretty damn close to the ground to be "hovering a few inches" over it--if what you said was the case, it would be more like hovering a half-inch above the street.

[Manchine]

Is this a HeroClix thing?


No, this was him trying to start the fight over here.

[Manchine]

actually im wondering if speed demon is faster than quicksilver and northstar


Thats also another one who is VERY VERY FAST in the marvel verse.

[bosshog7169]

if northstar's butt his sore, he would lose to quiksilver. otherwise he probably wins

[Flight]

Carp, I voted QS by mistake. Oh well. I voted Northstar by mistake so I guess we could just swap votes since we cancel each other out.

[crystalline green]

If you feel that way, then you need to go reread those issues. Nothing in her pose indicated that she was "flying", the woman was RUNNING. She zipped up the sidewalk in a pose normally used by characters when they run, even at superhuman speed. Aurora stayed pretty damn close to the ground to be "hovering a few inches" over it--if what you said was the case, it would be more like hovering a half-inch above the street.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I'm not trying to win a prize for being right. I'm just saying that's the way I interpreted it. If she was actually running in that scene as opposed to flying while her body remained in a vertical position and an inch above the street (which fits the Byrne era conception of their powers being about the ability to move their bodies in a particular direction like a projectile) then it's the first and only time Byrne showed either of them running at superspeed. Why would anyone with superspeed flight need to run at superspeed as well? Flight (at any altitude) is more efficient because it's less taxing on the body.

[literally exaggerated]

How does Blur stack up in all of this?

[streator]

i would say pietro.

[Will.S]

Hmm, we've talked about this before and I thought that Quicksilver post Isotope E was faster than Northstar but I didn't know Northstar could travel to near light speeds.

I guess we'll have to see after House of M how Quicksilver stacks up if he gets a power boost.

[Sharcque]

I voted Northstar, since he's a little lighter in the loafers :D

[Manchine]

Its very interesting how this discussion shifts around. :D :D :D

[Zoba]

I think this shows that most people think Quicksilver is faster. With an almost 2 to 1 vote. Personally I think Quicksilver is faster also. Travelling from New York to Europe in 5 minutes makes him far faster then Northstar ever has been shown.

[Petertime]

He's always been capable of superspeed in addition to his flight, which is how he won medals in skiing.

Actually (And yes this is GEEK CHECK moment for me) Northstar's powers didn't kick in till after he won the medals. There is even an interview with him in Marvel Illustrated (A parody of Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit issue) where he talks about it and how he dismisses the people who says he should give his medals back.

All in all, I prefer Northstar to Quicksilver, but they are both arrogant jerks that are as good as they think they are (which is a character trait I LOVE)

[Manchine]

I think this shows that most people think Quicksilver is faster. With an almost 2 to 1 vote. Personally I think Quicksilver is faster also. Travelling from New York to Europe in 5 minutes makes him far faster then Northstar ever has been shown.

As I said lets not start the flaming over here.

:D

[mattbib]

Actually (And yes this is GEEK CHECK moment for me) Northstar's powers didn't kick in till after he won the medals. There is even an interview with him in Marvel Illustrated (A parody of Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit issue) where he talks about it and how he dismisses the people who says he should give his medals back.Not that I don't believe it's possible, but was this ever shown in an issue that could be considered canon?

[Paradox]

Petertime makes a mistake:

Actually (And yes this is GEEK CHECK moment for me) Northstar's powers didn't kick in till after he won the medals. There is even an interview with him in Marvel Illustrated (A parody of Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit issue) where he talks about it and how he dismisses the people who says he should give his medals back.

Um, that's what you call BSing the press. Aurora's called him on it before and he falls back on the old "but it's my natural talent! Shouldn't I be allowed to use it?" bit.