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xionice

09-21-2005, 01:30 PM

I just read it and I really enjoyed it, but it was still weird having everyone want to hurt Supergirl. Superboy seemed spot on, although I don't know why you'd start throwin punches that quickly, but once the Titans showed up, he was perfect. I love how he defended Supergirl. And Robin showing up to stop the fight... *genius*. Just wonderin what everybody thinks.

Holla back

ExoKnight

09-21-2005, 03:03 PM

Solid issue. Beautiful art.

KET

09-21-2005, 04:43 PM

A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME, with any ongoing plotlines pretty much RUNNING IN PLACE the entire issue. And Churchill's 'art' is about as STIFF as usual.

seaidan

09-21-2005, 05:00 PM

Again the art was, unfortunately, the best part. The plot was somewhat questionable and dialogue, was at times, laughabe. Sadly, the first issue was better, and it wasn't really good to begin with.

I hope the series doesn't sink any further.

Guts/Batman

09-21-2005, 05:28 PM

I was gonna get it but running on $15 cash and had higher priority comic book needs. I will probably get it next week.

Also, when you make threads about issues it would be nice of you to add spoiler warnings in the title of the thread so people don't run into unmarked spoilers.

Believe it or not there are people who do want to come into a thread and not run into unmarked spoilers even when the thread stated no spoilers...

Lord Grog

09-21-2005, 05:32 PM

I enjoyed it. But then, I enjoy the mystery of Supergirl, the pacing, and the great art.

ForEverAncien

09-21-2005, 08:24 PM

The best part of all this was...everything was readble. :D

Ow, broke(out of place) Superboy's jaw to boot. Ouch.

ElvisGuy

09-21-2005, 11:29 PM

A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME, with any ongoing plotlines pretty much RUNNING IN PLACE the entire issue. And Churchill's 'art' is about as STIFF as usual.

if you hate this title so much and find its wasting your time ..STOP BUYING IT !!...

Kistler

09-21-2005, 11:53 PM

I found it quite interesting they're making red kryptonite more like it is in SMALLVILLE on TV rather than its pre-crisis effects. And BLACK Kryptonite?! OOOOH. A NEW ONE! :-D

Guts/Batman

09-21-2005, 11:57 PM

I found it quite interesting they're making red kryptonite more like it is in SMALLVILLE on TV rather than its pre-crisis effects. And BLACK Kryptonite?! OOOOH. A NEW ONE! :-D

Saw some of that in Under the Hood...

How much kryptonite out there? LOL

ColdFury

09-22-2005, 02:51 AM

I seem to remember that Lois & Clark had Clark under much the same effect of Red Kryptonite as Clark in Smallville, I fail to see the distinction??

Was it me, or did this issue blow a very solidly established plot point in Teen Titans?

The S-Family secret identity rules.

Seriously, the Titans show up because of a radar blip headed to the Kent farm?

First: Huh? If the TITANS could track stuff like that, couldn't anyone, and wouldn't that mean that Billy Batson, Clark Kent, and others like them in the DC Universe would be screwed, secret identity wise?

Second: And assuming they can, why were they?! Across the country, they detect a blip headed towards the Kent farm. First off, they know it's not Superman, or Conner himself.

Thirdly, they KNOW WHO CONNER IS?

I might've misread something, but I was under the impression that even *Wondergirl*, his girlfriend, didn't have any idea who Superboy was outside of "Conner", due to Superman secret identity rules. Now the whole team knows?

I really want to like Supergirl, but this series isn't really doing it for me. It has no discernable path or supporting cast... a title like a revitalized Supergirl should be a shoe in, but it's floundering hard core with its current set up and lack of... uh... cohesion.

Plus, was it me or was the Mr. Terrific 'explanation' for things in issue 1 the worst example of comic book science ever? "Hrm, they wig out when they touch? Must be something like out of TimeCop! TimeCop starts with T, that's TERRIFIC science." Not a real good way to endear Mr. Terrific (who already looks like a Mr. T fanboy) to a non-JSA reader.

TJ Shoun

09-22-2005, 08:37 PM

I know fight scenes are obligatory in superhero comics but...

Did anybody else think it was silly how quickly Kara and Conner started fighting, then made up? And then Cassie shows up, starts a fight and then immediately tries to make amends?

I mean, hell, I guess Kara and Cassie are old enough to have that time of month but still...

Okay, so that was a really bad joke...

Guts/Batman

09-22-2005, 08:41 PM

I mean, hell, I guess Kara and Cassie are old enough to have that time of month but still...

Okay, so that was a really bad joke...

I would hope so. Kara is older than Clark...

TJ Shoun

09-22-2005, 09:59 PM

I would hope so. Kara is older than Clark...

only technically ;)

Rik

09-23-2005, 07:11 AM

Technically, Kara is in her mid/late-forties and Kon-El is...what, in DC time? Four? Five? However long it's supposed to have been since the "Death of Superman" storyline.
In real-world-time, he was born around 1992, which makes him about thirteen, but obviously he's much younger in comic-book time.

Agree totally about the unrealistically quick-to-violence reactions of the characters. I'm giving this the benefit of the doubt, since I've always liked the character of Supergirl, but it's not doing much to keep me interested.

If only they'd get Gail Simone to write it....

DarkCrisis

09-23-2005, 07:52 AM

I love Supergirl but Loeb needs to move aside for a talented writer.

Yoda

09-23-2005, 07:54 AM

Was it me, or did this issue blow a very solidly established plot point in Teen Titans?

The S-Family secret identity rules.

Seriously, the Titans show up because of a radar blip headed to the Kent farm?

First: Huh? If the TITANS could track stuff like that, couldn't anyone, and wouldn't that mean that Billy Batson, Clark Kent, and others like them in the DC Universe would be screwed, secret identity wise?

Second: And assuming they can, why were they?! Across the country, they detect a blip headed towards the Kent farm. First off, they know it's not Superman, or Conner himself.

Thirdly, they KNOW WHO CONNER IS?

I might've misread something, but I was under the impression that even *Wondergirl*, his girlfriend, didn't have any idea who Superboy was outside of "Conner", due to Superman secret identity rules. Now the whole team knows?

To be somewhat fair, the entire JLA knows about the Kents - from back on Waid's tenure. And at the end of the Supergirl Superman/Batman arc they were all on the Kent farm. And during the Sacrifice Arc in the Superman books the Kents (and anyone connected to Superman) were being watched for their protection (can't recall by who I think Captain Marvel). So it's not that big of a stretch given the current events in the DCU that the Titans would now be aware of Conner's connection to the Kents.

The Lucky One

09-23-2005, 08:00 AM

I might've misread something, but I was under the impression that even *Wondergirl*, his girlfriend, didn't have any idea who Superboy was outside of "Conner", due to Superman secret identity rules. Now the whole team knows?

Hmm... good question. Robin knows the Super-identities and thus would know (from Batman, if nowhere else) where Kon is staying, but the others shouldn't. Two possible explanations:

1) Robin, knowing the secret himself, told the other Titans that Kon was staying in a sort of "superhero relocation program" without divulging any details about the Kents, like their names or connection to Superman. Or he told the Titans that Kon had been adopted by a family who didn't know he was Superboy (pre-Crisis Supergirl-style), which would also preserve the identity of the Kents and their connection to Superman. That would allow them to be at the Kent farm without actually know Superman's secret.

OR...

2) Keeping secrets was a huge deal among the Young Justice members... it's what caused Robin to quit the team for a while, and Kon made it clear back then that he didn't think it was acceptable for Tim not to divulge his identity, period, even if it does lead to Batman's. That being the case, it would be entirely hypocritical for Kon to now keep his new identity (Connor Kent) from his Young Justice teammates, at least, given the stink he raised over Robin's similar situation earlier. So he told them, but warned them not to tell Superman.

-D

DracoMalfoy

09-23-2005, 10:50 AM

This was a TERRIBLE issue. The characters were completely out of their usual personality. They started fighting for absolutely no reason. Supergirl is so completely unlikeable.

And how the hell did Supergirl manage to use a MAGIC lasso against Cassie. It only works for her. Ares made it so. Hell even Diana can't use it.

Jeph Loeb needs to stick to Smallville. :mad:

Yoda

09-23-2005, 11:24 AM

And how the hell did Supergirl manage to use a MAGIC lasso against Cassie. It only works for her. Ares made it so. Hell even Diana can't use it.
Where's this established? Ares gave it to Cassie, but I don't recall it being limited to her use only. Diana's magic lasso can be used by anyone, why is Cassie's differnant?

DracoMalfoy

09-23-2005, 11:28 AM

Where's this established? Ares gave it to Cassie, but I don't recall it being limited to her use only. Diana's magic lasso can be used by anyone, why is Cassie's differnant?

Diana's lasso can only be used by Diana herself. Like Thor's hammer. It's a physical projection of her connection to Hestia's Fire. It's useless in the hands of other people unless she wills it.

Cassie is the only one who can use the lasso. Why? Because it sprout's Zeus' Lightening and she just happens to be his daughter. She's a demigod.

Supergirl should have not been able to use it. Cassie shouldn't have been harmed by the attack either. I don't know HOW the hell Kara wasn't hurt when she was holding a lasso convulusing with MAGICAL lightening. Bull**** writing by Loeb. AGAIN.

Swear to god, the guy has NO respect for other character's history and continutity.

Guts/Batman

09-23-2005, 11:33 AM

DracoMalfoy

09-23-2005, 11:35 AM

Batzarro?!?! Jesus...

The man needs his medication....

Guts/Batman

09-23-2005, 11:37 AM

Batzarro?!?! Jesus...

The man needs his medication....

And to think this is the man who wrote The Long Halloween and Dark Victory...

DracoMalfoy

09-23-2005, 11:41 AM

And to think this is the man who wrote The Long Halloween and Dark Victory...

Those were good stories. But he's getting more and more senile. Like Claramont.

The Lucky One

09-23-2005, 11:42 AM

Those were good stories. But he's getting more and more senile. Like Claramont.

Haven't been reading Uncanny lately, huh?

-D

DracoMalfoy

09-23-2005, 11:51 AM

Actually I have. And it only furthers my confirmations.

Yoda

09-23-2005, 12:00 PM

Are people surprised this book has gone the way it has? I stopped reading S/B for this very same reason. I just plain ignore S/B.

Loeb has been everything against established stuff in his book. This Supergirl was established in his book (as well as Batzarro, Superlad, etc), I'm not surprised Loeb is writing the way he is wrtiting.
You're right. His books are actually fun to read, don't take themselves too seriously and lack the abundance of navel gazing choking so many other books. How dare he!

Guts/Batman

09-23-2005, 12:07 PM

You're right. His books are actually fun to read, don't take themselves too seriously and lack the abundance of navel gazing choking so many other books. How dare he!

I dunno. It is just too ludicrous for me. Too much jobbing...etc

If it works for you, that's cool. It just doesn't work for me.

monkeyaxslash

09-24-2005, 08:56 AM

Yoda

09-24-2005, 09:28 AM

I think this is a good book to read, people just take it to seriesly it's just a comic book and Loeb always has the best artist working on his stuff and to be fair he has been working on alot of projecs latly (s/b,supergirl,smallvill,the ultimates,ect.) and he has a great history of writting so just cut him some slack his getting old but he's still one of my favorit writers.
While I don't agree that he's getting too old, I do agree that these books are a lot of fun if you do not take them too seriously. Supergirl, and especially Superman/Batman are the popcorn movies of comics. They are big, loud, colorful superhero stories that are a lot of fun if you aren't looking for the usual pretentious navel gazing that goes on in so many other books. I'd probably give Superman/Batman to a non-comic reading person before I'd give a lot of other books.

monkeyaxslash

09-24-2005, 09:56 AM

the getting to old think was just a joke

Captain Smith

09-24-2005, 10:28 AM

Given the big IC coming up, there have been a lot of place holders promising big secrets.

Power Girl is waiting for the big secret.
Kara is waiting for the big secret.

It's the same through all the books.

I find it hard to believe that any of the big secrets will be really clever. If Kara isn't a kryptonian- boy will that suck.

If Karen is killed off or is not from Earth-2 - I find it hard to come with up an interesting origin that has some sense in continuity.

Yoda

09-24-2005, 10:32 AM

I find it hard to believe that any of the big secrets will be really clever. If Kara isn't a kryptonian- boy will that suck.
I agree with that.

mohammedali

09-24-2005, 02:16 PM

I thought most of this comic was just an excuse to have SG fight some titans. The only real storyline development was in the last 2 pages. I wasn't all that impressed.

Mohammed Ali

Sean Whitmore

09-24-2005, 04:02 PM

It's my own fault. I can't blame anyone else. Nobody put a gun to my head and ordered me to buy this piece of s**t comic. I just couldn't resist the urge to buy something IC-related...oh, but I think I'll be able to next month. I shall summon the strength.

After the first issue, when Supergirl and PG got into a huge fight because they were "allergic" to each other, I shouldn't have expected anything more from this issue. But silly me, I did. I expected there to be a slightly better reason for a fight scene than "the Titans attack Supergirl and Suberboy because they are HUGE ASSHOLES."

And the Outsiders next issue. This series is fast reminding me of that bit on South Park where Russel Crowe travels 'round the world and gets into fights. :)

SEAN

Guts/Batman

09-24-2005, 04:04 PM

I think I'm being convinced not to pick it up next Wednesay after being unable to pick it up this past Wednesday. I'll just look through it...

Captain Smith

09-25-2005, 02:22 PM

The next Power Girl, SuperGirl, Wonder Girl, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Huntress, etc. fight better take place in jello, oil or mud - or I won't buy it.

Guts/Batman

09-25-2005, 02:27 PM

The next Power Girl, SuperGirl, Wonder Girl, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Huntress, etc. fight better take place in jello, oil or mud - or I won't buy it.

How about just them fighting naked? Screw the jello, oil or mud...

I would buy that... :D

Donald Stone

09-25-2005, 02:27 PM

This issue was a mess. Fights for no reason, people acting stupidly, Cassie getting jobbed out by her own lasso.

Waste of my time.

fuaak

09-25-2005, 03:49 PM

Mulett

09-26-2005, 09:45 AM

Read it, didn't buy. Everybody in the comic was a huge flaming asshole, especially the title character. Lots of fighting for no reason at all, everybody blatantly jobbing to Loeb's character of course. Crud.

You took the words right out of my mouth (and then added a load more too).

It seems a real shame that they have finally re-introudced the Kryptonian Supergirl, and rather than give her a good, clean start they have embroiled her in all the continuity problems that have been dogging DC comics for the past 20 years. She should be off bashing her own supervillains, not fighting Power Girl and Superboy.

BTW - can anyone tell me what happened to the last Supergirl? My local store quit selling the comic before it was cancelled - I only saw a few issues with Linda in her new white costume (with fewer powers). It seemed good fun. Did she die/get sent back in time to 1985 to become Power Girl?

Bored at 3:00AM

09-26-2005, 01:20 PM

Ugh. What a mess. I was only interested enough by issue 1 to give it one more issue.

But that was just terrible. Read like a crappy Image comic circa 1995.

I'll pass on this series.

jadegiant77

09-26-2005, 01:39 PM

meh.

Seems like the next few issues will involve EVERYONE in the DCU trying to beat the hell out of Supergirl for no reason, then they all make up by the end. If you'll excuse me, I'll be weeping in my room clutching my copy of the "Many Happy Returns" TPB

Guts/Batman

09-26-2005, 01:41 PM

Calamas

09-26-2005, 04:12 PM

I love Supergirl but Loeb needs to move aside for a talented writer.That will happen soon. Loeb is now Marvel exclusive, his last DC commitment the launching of this book. Presumably that means the first arc.

. . . And to be fair he has been working on a lot of projects lately (s/b,supergirl,smallville,the ultimates,ect.) and he has a great history of writing so just cut him some slack his getting old. . . A good thing this has nothing to do with it. Age is irrelevant. A heavy workload is irrelevant. Even if these excuses were legitimate, instead of speculation, which is what they are; Loeb is still being paid real money to produce quality. I’m paying real money to read quality. The book may fail to reach quality, but it should never be from lack of trying, excuses be damned.

I liked the first issue. #2 was incoherent and unfocussed. I liked Robin’s entrance, and not much else. A plus and a minus equals giving the next issue a try. But this title is on life-support with me.

Forsaken_One

09-26-2005, 05:10 PM

BTW - can anyone tell me what happened to the last Supergirl? My local store quit selling the comic before it was cancelled - I only saw a few issues with Linda in her new white costume (with fewer powers). It seemed good fun. Did she die/get sent back in time to 1985 to become Power Girl?Roughly, she dropped the supernatural part of herself and took up the animated costume that you saw, plus she could jump high and had some other powersk. As I recall she then went back to her home and Kara Zor-el from the pre-crisis universe landed in her back yard. They had some adventures before (including mocking the science behind the Kandor "telescope," moving the Earth by pushing on it, and several other amusing parts of pre-crisis DCU) before it was revealed that Kara Zor-el had to go back in time to save the world from the Anti-Monitor and die in the Crisis.

So Linda punched Kara out for a bit and went to the Pre-Crisis universe instead. There she had some adventures, fell in love with Pre-Crisis Superman and got married to him. Had a kid, then it was revealed that the experiment didn't work and Kara needed to go and die in the Crisis. So Linda got the Spectre to save her and Superman's kid (now the Supergirl in DC One Million), went back, had Kara go back to Pre-Crisis DCU to eventually die with no knowledge of what happened, and gave Superman (of the current continuity) a note saying she just couldn't be Supergirl and had to go away.

And that was it. Presumably she's still somewhere in the DCU with powers and just isn't doing the whole Superhero thing. And as much as I loved her and want it to be at least acknowledged that she was in continuity I'm hoping to god she won't show up in Loeb's series after what I read in this thread. :)

Sean Whitmore

09-26-2005, 05:49 PM

And as much as I loved her and want it to be at least acknowledged that she was in continuity I'm hoping to god she won't show up in Loeb's series after what I read in this thread. :)

Oh, but think of the titanic story we'll miss out on! I can picture it now...Linda returns to Metropolis and immediately attacks Kara for no reason. Then Kara kicks Linda's ass. Then Superman shows up and inexplicably starts fighting Linda. Then Kara kicks Superman's ass too. Then the Justice League shows up and tries to restrain Superman, and Kara kicks all their asses.

Then all the DC heroes start fighting one another and Kara flies off to beat up Darkseid, Doomday, and Imperiex all at once.

SEAN

Forsaken_One

09-26-2005, 07:18 PM

Isn't that basically the Rumble Forum's collective wet dream? :D

Guts/Batman

09-26-2005, 07:25 PM

Isn't that basically the Rumble Forum's collective wet dream? :D

That would be Loeb's... ;)

Sean Whitmore

09-26-2005, 07:54 PM

That would be Loeb's... ;)

Jeph Loeb...a jobber's jobber.

SEAN

Mulett

09-27-2005, 01:46 AM

And that was it. Presumably she's still somewhere in the DCU with powers and just isn't doing the whole Superhero thing. And as much as I loved her and want it to be at least acknowledged that she was in continuity I'm hoping to god she won't show up in Loeb's series after what I read in this thread. :)

You're kidding? Is this a joke? It must be a joke surely. You're kidding?

Forsaken_One

09-27-2005, 02:17 AM

You're kidding? Is this a joke? It must be a joke surely. You're kidding?
Nope. I suppose after living around 10-15 years in the Pre-Crisis DCU, having a loving husband, child, and friends and then having it all torn away from her in one horrific night she really didn't feel like putting on a tight t-shirt and beating up bad guys who seem to always have a few get out of jail free cards on hand. I'm sure knowing she was sending her friend Kara Zor-el to her death right afterwards didn't help any.

The final arc was actually really good. You should pick it up in trade if you ever have some extra cash, it's well worth it, especially if you were into the series before that. The problem I have is that the Kara Zor-el shown there was just lightyears ahead of the Kara Zor-el featured in Superman/Batman in terms of emotion, characterization, personality, and so on. It's like DC saw what could be and decided they wanted someone more "edgy" or whatnot.

Also, I liked the PC Kara's costume (http://usera.imagecave.com/Forsaken_One/ClassyNice.jpg) and hair more than the current. But that's just me.

Mulett

09-27-2005, 04:11 AM

anyone know where I can order back copies online?

Forsaken_One

09-27-2005, 03:08 PM

anyone know where I can order back copies online?
Final Supergirl Trade (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1401200850/ref=pd_sim_b_1/104-0702595-3072735?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance) by Peter David

Supergirl backissues (http://milehighcomics.com/mcgi-bin/search.cgi) on Milehighcomics.com.

Or you could check out your local shop's back issue bin. Or ask the comic shop to order the PAD supergirl trades. I've found I get it within a week or two while at the same time supporting my local comic shop and my local economy.