New Avengers#10

[jadegiant77]

Anybody wanna give me some MILD spoilers? I can't get this one 'til Friday... :(

[pureclint]

It was Great and Sentry officially joins the team and remembers everything (as does Richards and his wife). Avengers tower was built cheap due to it being built over the Sentry Watch Tower and Tony now buys the "Fate" thing Cap was talking about.

[Michael P]

Oh, and Sentry knows that it was The General who arranged the mindwipe.

[cass195]

Possible Spoilers.......












I loved this issue. "fixes" the sentry in a cool way, sets up the mini nicely, and we get a nice reintroduction to his watchtower. the best thing (for me) about this book is the sentry's return.

Other random points: McNiven is fantastic (love the hero shot of the sentry). Human Torch has a good line. This was practically 2 all-Emma-Frost issues (I don't mind, just weird for an avengers book).

[pureclint]

Other random points: McNiven is fantastic (love the hero shot of the sentry). Human Torch has a good line.


Yeah I really liked him and Spider-man hanging out at the end considering they are Best Pals.

[Pike]

It was an excellent issue. Looks like the Sentry is here to stay and at his current power levels. I can see, however, there being more to the Void than we think. This isn't going away by any stretch. It was too neatly wrapped up so I have a bad feeling about what will happen to the Sentry in his mini. We also don't find out how the General took him out in the first place which might be interesting to know. Also, didn't the Void kill the General in the mini?

[protege]

Anybody wanna give me some MILD spoilers? I can't get this one 'til Friday... :(
I can't, as the story made absolutely no sense to me.

[marvelboy]

basically what this allows for bendis to do is work with the sentry from a complete introductory standpoint since no one know's him or remembers him. The memory repression he did to the whole planet cannot be reversed. He subconciously created a physical darkside that could wipe out the whole planet and who know's what else.

As Emma said near the end "This is gonna feel like taking the biggest dump of your life". My only gripe is that I have no idea how powerful he is or what his powers are exactly. Plus can someone please tell me why they keep changing him from long hair with no gloves,or short hair with gloves,or short hair with no gloves. It gets confusing

[Jake V]

Well then. I guess I was right.

And it ended better than I ever thought it could. The Sentry can exist at full power and the void can exist at the same time. I assumed that Emma would simply turn off Mastermind's mind virus so the Sentry can exist without the Void. Turns out that the Void still exists, but Sentry knows his true nature.

No summary, because aside from the slight changes I mentioned, it ended up exactly as I predicted in the NA #9 thread. The only thing that could defeat the Void was the Sentry coming to terms with what the Void is. It did take a lot of talking though.

The ending though. The Watchtower sitting on top of the Avengers Tower was an AWESOME visual, and I think some people predicted that the New Avengers would be operating out of the Watchtower many months back.

The VERY end was a cool set up for the nature of the New Avengers. Tony isn't telling anyone about SHIELD's corruption. It's their concern, and they can't let on that they know anything. I dont know if that's a set up of the upcoming Ronin arc, a reaffirmation of the SHIELD sub plot, or an establishment of the tone for the series. Could be all 3.

9/10 for the issue, 10/10 for the arc. Best New Avengers story yet. Way better than Breakout.

[EmmettHULK]

I am confused here: Sentry can actually live free and use his powers now?
I read the book and still don't get what happened.
The Void is real, right?
Or imagined?
What is it exactly that Mastermind and general did? :confused:

[Jagernaut]

They programmed the Void into his mind, to come out whenever Sentry used his powers. Void is basically a virus in Sentry's mind. He can't get rid of it, thus he has to learn to accept and live with it.

What I want to know is, what happens now with the first Sentry mini?

[marvelboy]

his power level was not discussed at all so no one know's what he can do

[EmmettHULK]

They programmed the Void into his mind, to come out whenever Sentry used his powers. Void is basically a virus in Sentry's mind. He can't get rid of it, thus he has to learn to accept and live with it.

I see.

It is a mental virus, but how did it turn into all those monsters and the black tentacles and all that?
What was the power behind it?
Is it Bob's mind?
Can he create those creatures out of thin air?
I feel like an idiot now...
But I was just not clear about the whole thing...

[Cayman]

It was a really cool issue. People will bitch because Emma gets more screen time than the other Avengers besides Sentry, but I enjoyed her interaction with Robert. Great ending to an exciting arc.

Cay

[Volk1]

Good conclusion ti a perplexing story-line that may take second readings. Emma Frost is all over these days but she sure is helpful, she is the all-purpose hero now...

Can't wait til the start of the new Ronin arc....

[smoothjokes]

I love this book! I keep buying it and I can't stop. The Sentry kicks ass.

[Titan Slade]

I love this book! I keep buying it and I can't stop. The Sentry kicks ass.

I agree :D .

[tjarvis]

Anybody notice the lack of Xavier at the council meeting in this issue? He was there at the first one that started this arc. Fall out from the House of M?

[Jake V]

Anybody notice the lack of Xavier at the council meeting in this issue? He was there at the first one that started this arc. Fall out from the House of M?
Can't be HoM related, as this arc happens before HoM. It's implied that the meeting happens directly after the previous scene. Maybe his limited mobility and his non-affiliation with the X-Men made it so he couldn't make it to that meeting.

Good point though. My guess is that it's something X-Men related.

[Kevinroc]

Anybody notice the lack of Xavier at the council meeting in this issue? He was there at the first one that started this arc. Fall out from the House of M?

I think it's a little too soon for that. This arc takes place well before HoM and I think the group would be talking about that incident or at least mention it. More likely, Xavier went back to Genosha.

[ultramandingo]

bendis shoulda made emma frost an avenger, instead of wolverine. wayyymore usefull , wayyymore hotter and wayyyless hairy'er/yellow spandexy/canadian . plus less hate mail

[Brian M.]

You know I didn't pick up the first arc, I almost picked up this arc, now I think I'm gonna add this to my list of pulls, hopefully my comic book shop has back issues I can get. Iv'e been wanting to add a non-x book to my list, this will be it.

[Chris Thomas]

my comment: this comic works. now, lets see 3 things:

1. sentry whooping some cosmic butt
2. who the hell ronin is
3. luge cage. lots of villians. crowbar.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

bendis shoulda made emma frost an avenger, instead of wolverine. wayyymore usefull , wayyymore hotter and wayyyless hairy'er/yellow spandexy/canadian . plus less hate mail

And way less sales too.

[Jagernaut]

If this is true, then the Sentry mini written by Jenkins is now infact one of Sentry's cries for help to the rest of the world, and not part actual Marvel canon. Anyone else agree with me?

[Lochdale]

If this is true, then the Sentry mini written by Jenkins is now infact one of Sentry's cries for help to the rest of the world, and not part actual Marvel canon. Anyone else agree with me?

Not really, no. It's still part of Marvel canon. He was trying to get out from underneath the mental blocks put in place by Mastermind. He couldn't so they made the world forget again. If anything, the mini is now even more a part of Marvel canon than it was before.

[Jagernaut]

It doesn't make sense to me though, since in the mini, Reed used a device to make everyone forget. Now, it's Sentry himself making everyone forget.

[BizarroBeachHead]

his power level was not discussed at all so no one know's what he can do
Well, clearly he wasn't depowered. They know he's powerfull, which is why they want to keep an eye on him. He's just as powerfull as he was in the mini, which is what I've been saying would happen all along.

[Red State Cap]

Yay, another Avengers issue without the Avengers! Overall I liked the Sentry story despite the general absense of the Avengers, but I hope this practice will not continue.
My opinion of NA has been on the decline over 10 issues. I'm seeing some of the same poor logic and misuse of characters that marked Avengers Dissassembled, and I'm not going to support it indefinitely. I think I'll give Mr. Bendis through issue #15 (the Spider-Woman arc) to keep me with this book.

RSC

[Jake V]

Yay, another Avengers issue without the Avengers! Overall I liked the Sentry story despite the general absense of the Avengers, but I hope this practice will not continue.
My opinion of NA has been on the decline over 10 issues. I'm seeing some of the same poor logic and misuse of characters that marked Avengers Dissassembled, and I'm not going to support it indefinitely. I think I'll give Mr. Bendis through issue #15 (the Spider-Woman arc) to keep me with this book.

RSC
If you wanna get technical, Sentry IS an Avenger, and these past 2 issues have been mostly all about him.

I figure a character as complicated as him deserves 2 issues to explain what he is and integrate him into the marvel universe.

[SnakeEater]

the only problem i had with the way new avengers is working out is that every villian so far, or every villian screwing everything up is a mutant. Electro broke out sauron and the group fought the Mutates in the Savage Land. The Sentry is screwed in the mind because of Mastermind, and now they have to go after the silver samurai. What i love is that the preview for the first issue of Ronin states that Captain America recruits this "ronin" to fight against Silver Samurai, but isnt Samurai one of wolverine's villians, and if so why doesnt wolverine fit the tab?
(dont start attacking me, i dont like mutants, especially wolverine so i dont collect their books or know their history. i briefly jumped on Xmen during the ranting and raving quesada did about how his new writers would change how xmen was, and now that was during 2001-2003. once morrison left, i left. thats where my knowledge of xmen and wolverine stops)

[Expletive Deleted]

Electro isn't a mutant. Neither are the Mutates. I don't think Sauron is, either, although there may be some retcons involved, there.

[SnakeEater]

i know electro isnt a mutant, i didnt mean him at all. and if the mutates arent mutants, what are they?

[Chi Bamm]

Awesome freaking issue man. The one guy said it best when he listed the three things we needed to see. Oh yes, it is time for the crow bar!!!

[Dark Soul # 7]

So who was the General dude?
And SnakeEater, where have you seen previews for the Ronin arc?

[Arrjay]

So, as you may or may not know I don't buy monthlies, I buy trades. Any word on when this new Sentry arc will be released as a trade? Were there only four issues in the arc or are there two more to go? I'm confused.

[BlackKnight]

So, as you may or may not know I don't buy monthlies, I buy trades. Any word on when this new Sentry arc will be released as a trade? Were there only four issues in the arc or are there two more to go? I'm confused.

I don't know when the trad is out, but it is only a 4 issue arc, then there is the two issue Ronin arc.

[Arrjay]

I don't know when the trad is out, but it is only a 4 issue arc, then there is the two issue Ronin arc.

In that case I'm thinking they might throw the two issue Ronin arc on the end of the four issue Sentry arc and make a six issue trade. Just guessing.

[XPac]

bendis shoulda made emma frost an avenger, instead of wolverine. wayyymore usefull , wayyymore hotter and wayyyless hairy'er/yellow spandexy/canadian . plus less hate mail

I was wondering about that... he really seems to like Emma and use her a lot. I'm wondering if he didn't want Emma as an Avenger. Though she seems way to important in WHedon's Astonishing stuff to remove her.

Anyways, I do think Bendis maybe should have gotten a less street level Avengers team. They seem to need to outsource a lot of help these days (Dr. Strange or Emma).

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Anyone felt a little underwhelmed by this arc?
I am loving the Sentry, but I just felt...I don't know...the resolution felt (to me) a little disappointing.
(maybe it has to do with what I perceive as a redux of Dissassembled, in the sense that a non-Avenger -Dr.Strange, now Emma Frost- was basically who "saved the day")

Now I know that Bendis has said that the team would ocassionally "use" other heroes in their adventures, I just didn't expect to see any X-men but Wolvie being used.

I really hope that in the next two arcs (RONIN, SPIDER-WOMAN), the affairs stay strictly Avengers...

Not a slam against the book, just what I felt towards it after having so many high expectations for this arc.

[BlackKnight]

Anyone felt a little underwhelmed by this arc?
I am loving the Sentry, but I just felt...I don't know...the resolution felt (to me) a little disappointing.
(maybe it has to do with what I perceive as a redux of Dissassembled, in the sense that a non-Avenger -Dr.Strange, now Emma Frost- was basically who "saved the day")

Now I know that Bendis has said that the team would ocassionally "use" other heroes in their adventures, I just didn't expect to see any X-men but Wolvie being used.

I really hope that in the next two arcs (RONIN, SPIDER-WOMAN), the affairs stay strictly Avengers...

Not a slam against the book, just what I felt towards it after having so many high expectations for this arc.

I have not read issue 10 yet, but I have felt the same way for the first three issues, loving the art, found the story ok, a little slow and I really would like to see the Avengers actually be the ones saving the day just once. Heres hoping that happens soon.

[xanderxerxes]

Not a slam against the book, just what I felt towards it after having so many high expectations for this arc.

Ah... that's were the fault lay, having too high an expectation will really cause you disappointment in the end.

For me this arc solidified my loyalty to the series. and the watchtower on top of Stark tower!? Man that rocks.. I bet that structure can conceal itself from view(like turning it on and off). We did not see it in the HOM series. :D

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

God knows I love the team and its members, but I wish that some of this stuff didn't take four or 5 issues to develop.
As much as I love Spider-Woman, I am glad her arc will only take two issues, (the Ronin arc too, which I'm also looking forward to)because I feel that maybe it will feel more "meaty"...you know what I mean?
In the sense of more stuff actually "happening" as opposed to having a story take 6 issues and feeling that there's a lot of padding.
Everyone know I am not a "BendisBasher", I am just expressing something that has been bothering me about the book forever, as much as I love New Avengers, I still have this little thing in the back of mi mind, like "That rocked but I wish it had been differently paced"

Anyway, the art was still amazing , McNiven rocks, (Though I miss Finch, honestly), and definitely looking forward to Frank Cho.

[XPac]

FOr the the only thing Bendis is lacking is the ability to chorerograph a good fight. So far we get nothing but these huge splash panel mod scenes.

Call me simpistic, but I do like the occasional good fight scene in a comic. After nearly a years worth of issues, I can't say I've gotten one yet.

But that aside, I do enjoy Bendis writing. And the art is cool too.

[tricksterpup]

Anybody notice the lack of Xavier at the council meeting in this issue? He was there at the first one that started this arc. Fall out from the House of M?
From reading the issue from the store, I gathered that both meetings were all at the same time. And this entire story was a flashback. So the missing Xavier was a screw up.

But what did the Avengers do in this story arc? It was mainly Emma and the Sentry. This just could've been part of the mini series instead of being in the New Avengers.

[DJ Rustbucket]

I don't know when the trad is out, but it is only a 4 issue arc, then there is the two issue Ronin arc.
I thought the Ronin arc ran for 3 issues (11-13)?

[Shellhead]

I was wondering about that... he really seems to like Emma and use her a lot. I'm wondering if he didn't want Emma as an Avenger. Though she seems way to important in WHedon's Astonishing stuff to remove her.

Anyways, I do think Bendis maybe should have gotten a less street level Avengers team. They seem to need to outsource a lot of help these days (Dr. Strange or Emma).

The real problem is the sloppy writing combined with non-existent editing. When the plots get too messy, it takes a mind-reader or a sorceror supreme to explain things directly to the reader.

[Keith_Martineau]

Yeah, yeah...non-existant editing and sloppy writing. Yeah. Things need to be explained to us cause they don't make sense. Yeah.

Wait, what? I'm sorry, I really don't see where people are confused here. Unless you just don't get what is going on with the Sentry even from his initial mini, but then any confusion here certainly isn't Bendis' fault, it's just a continuation of a concept you already didn't get.

And unanswered questions does not equal confusion, thats something else entirely.

[Keith_Martineau]

From reading the issue from the store, I gathered that both meetings were all at the same time. And this entire story was a flashback. So the missing Xavier was a screw up.

But what did the Avengers do in this story arc? It was mainly Emma and the Sentry. This just could've been part of the mini series instead of being in the New Avengers.

Naw man, the two meetings weren't at the same time. Everytime the first meeting was seen it had a "3 days ago" or whatever timeline tag. And they were talking about what to do about the Sentry. The second one was after the events had occured, and they said "if he gets out of hand, call us." Xavier present in the first, not at the second.

Personally, I feel that Xaviers inclusion in the first meeting was the mistake. He's supposed to have been in Genosha dealing with Wanda. The only time he returned to America was at the start of House of M. S'the only way it makes sense.

I ALSO think that, had Charlie not been in Genosha, he'd have been the one unlocking the Sentry, not Emma. So I think it's more that she was there by nessecity, because Bendis needed a telepath. Same with HoM.

[XPac]

The real problem is the sloppy writing combined with non-existent editing. When the plots get too messy, it takes a mind-reader or a sorceror supreme to explain things directly to the reader.

But it's not just Emma or Strange explaining things to the readers... it's them basically saving the day while the Avengers are getting pounded in the background. To me anyways, it doesn't exactly speak highly of the Avenges when someone else has to constantly come in and save the day. It'd be nice if the Avengers in their own book were capable of doing that themselves.

It's not a big deal... just saying if Bendis doesn't feel the Avengers are powerful enough to get the job done then maybe he should just make them powerful enough rather than relying on guest stars to do the heavy lifting for them.

[pesmerga316]

But it's not just Emma or Strange explaining things to the readers... it's them basically saving the day while the Avengers are getting pounded in the background. To me anyways, it doesn't exactly speak highly of the Avenges when someone else has to constantly come in and save the day. It'd be nice if the Avengers in their own book were capable of doing that themselves.

It's not a big deal... just saying if Bendis doesn't feel the Avengers are powerful enough to get the job done then maybe he should just make them powerful enough rather than relying on guest stars to do the heavy lifting for them.

To be fair, the Inhumans, FF, and a bunch of the other Xmen were also getting their asses handed to them by the Void lol

[Keith_Martineau]

Read the original mini. The Void is one bad dude. If the Sentry actually succumbed and became the Void permanently, that'd pretty much be it for the world. That is his threat level.
It doesn't say bad things about the Avengers that they wanted the FF, X-Men and the InHumans to help out.

[Doom]

From reading the issue from the store, I gathered that both meetings were all at the same time. And this entire story was a flashback. So the missing Xavier was a screw up.

But what did the Avengers do in this story arc? It was mainly Emma and the Sentry. This just could've been part of the mini series instead of being in the New Avengers.


Not really since the first meeting was everyone saying "so who is this guy, the Sentry."

While the last meeting was "Can we trust the Sentry?

Sure, I vouch for him."

Good arc, I really liked how it ended. The reveal of the Watchtower was cool.

Good point about the original Sentry series, it may be the case.

But one idea I had, this General.

When everyone forgot about the Sentry, wouldn't the General (and his crimes) be forgoten?
Wouldn't it have been possible for him to have regained his rank in the army?

What if the General is another General Peter Jenkins used?
What if he's General Ryker (from the Hulk arc/Hulk Game?)

[SnakeEater]

So who was the General dude?
And SnakeEater, where have you seen previews for the Ronin arc?


i was reading the solicitations on this site and on marvel and it states this...

"David Finch returns to debut the mysterious New Avenger everyone has been talking about all year!! Who is RONIN and why has Captain America recruited him into the fold? Bet it has something to do with Hydra helping the Silver Samurai get out of the country after he broke out of prison. Just sayin.' "

[XPac]

Read the original mini. The Void is one bad dude. If the Sentry actually succumbed and became the Void permanently, that'd pretty much be it for the world. That is his threat level.
It doesn't say bad things about the Avengers that they wanted the FF, X-Men and the InHumans to help out.

It's true that Void is one bad @$$... I guess people expect the heroes of the book to actually beat the villians rather than standing around in the background getting beat up. If this story took place in Astonishing X-Men, I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

Thus far, the biggest thing the NA can brag about is being able to take down the Wrecker (which isn't even something to brag about since solo Avengers like She-Hulk or SCarlet Witch have defeated the ENTIRE Crew in seconds).

Between this and what I expect will happen in T-Bolts, the team just isn't looking to great. As naive as it sounds, I sort of like seeing the Avengers actually kick some @$$ rather than being bystanders in their own book. Ah well... can't have everything.

[marvelboy]

wrecker has the power of a god,not exactly easy to stop for anyone. Also Sentry is basically pre-crisis Superman so they got more than enough firepower now.

[Andy S.]

Okay, I'm glad people had explanations for the whole Void thing, because I didn't get that at all. While the idea behind the story was good, I felt that all the mind-fixing scenes with Emma slowed the story down. All in all, I don't really think New Avengers is for me. I won't say its particularly bad, I'm just not that interested in it.

While I give credit to Bendis for being able to breath life into Sentry and jump-start his place in the Marvel U, this and the last story arc really failed to engage that sense of wonder and fun that makes me read comics in the first place.

[Will.S]

Ahh, I sort of knew the Sentry Watchtower would be in the same place as Stark Tower. Ever since Bendis said there was something important about the location of the tower, it made me think about it's surroundings and how similar the view was from that spot compared to the lower buildings.

I really enjoyed the ending although it's going to be weird having Sentry pop up out of the Watchtower while the Avengers are in the same exact spot. The final transformation from Bob to the Sentry was awesome and awe inspiring. Another awesome shot was when the heroes were fighting the Void and Cap noticed that it stopped and told them to cease fire, it had a very cinematic feel to that scene.

About the whole Emma, Dr. Strange, outside help thing; I see no problem with it. It doesn't really make the New Avengers weak, any Avengers lineup would have had serious trouble with the Void because they wouldn't have a premeir psychic (short of maybe Moondragon and who knows where she is after Captain Marvel) and there were 3 other teams on the scene alongside the outsiders. Like Cap and crew say, putting Sentry on the team was a good way to keep tabs on him so once they got past that obstacle the team is much more fortified and the MU has less to worry about.

The whole Paul Jenkins character is such a weird thing to see play out. It's like a reverse creation from real life to comic instead of the way Sentry was conceived. It was quite an out-of-comic feel for me but makes alot of sense. Man, what a great arc.

Steve McNiven kicked ass, I wish he could have stayed with the book for a longer period but I guess I can handle rotating art teams as long as they are consistent with the arcs.

Thus far, the biggest thing the NA can brag about is being able to take down the Wrecker (which isn't even something to brag about since solo Avengers like She-Hulk or SCarlet Witch have defeated the ENTIRE Crew in seconds).
Well there's also the slew of villains in Breakout and the Savage land mutates. The Void is no pushover as well since he could potentially be a worse situation to be in than Wanda's magic so when he shows up it's a problem for the whole MU.

[XPac]

wrecker has the power of a god,not exactly easy to stop for anyone. Also Sentry is basically pre-crisis Superman so they got more than enough firepower now.

Iron Fist has single handedly been able to beat the entire Wrecking Crew. In T-Bolts, Speed Demon solo'd the Wrecker. The thing is Wrecker really isn't THAT powerful... that's why She-Hulk can wreck the entire crew single handedly in a matter of seconds (why Thor can't I don't know). When Wrecker is sharing his strength with the rest of the crew, he only has class 10 strength. He's about as strong as Spiderman (though probably a lot tougher).

But I'll agree about Sentry. He's arguably the most powerful Marvel Super hero so he does raise the power curve considerably.

[Big E]

I like the notion of Sentry raising the power bar in the MU. He reminds me of the Hulk in many ways in that the only thing holding him back is his other persona.

[GUTB]

Well, I'm happy to see I was right and they won't be using Sentry in any way remotely describable as correct. I was hoping he'd become a Marvelized Superman, and what he became was...something stupid and uninspired.

And finally, if he's NOT going to the Superman, than what's the POINT of having him there?

[Ryan K]

I really liked this arc. A lot more than the first one anyway. It was all pretty complicated but it all mad sense to me in the end. I'll be glad when all this "gathering the team" stuff is over though.

[Beamish]

Typical Bendis - all talk and little action. Wake me up when he's off this book.

[The Lucky One]

So, does this mean that the Sentry really can't have any old Rogues Gallery, then? Or, to put it another way- if everyone forgot about the Sentry, then his supervillains would have been, well, "absorbed" (for lack of a better term) by other heroes. Like, maybe Electro or Stilt-Man were originally Sentry villains, but because of the mindwipe, everyone remembers them as Spidey and Daredevil villains. But aside from the General (and even with him, you wonder where he's been all these years), there really can't be any old Sentry villains to reveal. Is that right, or am I missing something obvious here?

-D

[marvelboy]

Well, I'm happy to see I was right and they won't be using Sentry in any way remotely describable as correct. I was hoping he'd become a Marvelized Superman, and what he became was...something stupid and uninspired.

And finally, if he's NOT going to the Superman, than what's the POINT of having him there?



How do you know what he is gonna be when he has just been reintroduced? He's far above superman as far as Im concerned In power and ability. Sentry is something else entirely away from superman....just the cape and the symbol on his belt are reminiscent of supes. He is a borderline sociopath with the power to destroy the universe

[DracoMalfoy]

Am I the only who thought this issue was...incomplete? It seemed to raise more questions then it revealed. Nothing in the issue except a lame psychic therapy with Emma Frost. Nothing was revealed. We don't know what the hell happened. What did Sentry do exactly? What are his powers? How did he make the world forget him?

It was a unsastifying conclusion.


And does anyone find it disturbing that the Avengers seem casual about a guy that nearly owned them?

"Sorry for kicking you asses back there."

"No problem. Wanna join the Avengers?"

"Sure!"

:confused:

[Will.S]

So, does this mean that the Sentry really can't have any old Rogues Gallery, then? Or, to put it another way- if everyone forgot about the Sentry, then his supervillains would have been, well, "absorbed" (for lack of a better term) by other heroes. Like, maybe Electro or Stilt-Man were originally Sentry villains, but because of the mindwipe, everyone remembers them as Spidey and Daredevil villains.
Not too sure about that. I don't think Sentry had other people's rogues gallery as his main one. He seemed more like a general superhero that handled everyone elses when the situation occured but most of his villains were exclusive to the mini.

I'm thinking that even the villains who had the memories of fighting the Sentry were mindwiped so that none of them would ever remember him.

But aside from the General (and even with him, you wonder where he's been all these years), there really can't be any old Sentry villains to reveal. Is that right, or am I missing something obvious here?

-D
The General should be dead according to the mini but who knows? He may still be alive biding his time or something. As far as the Sentry villains go from the mini, there weren't much but I remember the Android Pirates of Dimension 9 (Sentry/FF), The Void , The General (Sentry/X-Men), and the Lobster People (Sentry/Hulk).

[Doom]

So, does this mean that the Sentry really can't have any old Rogues Gallery, then? Or, to put it another way- if everyone forgot about the Sentry, then his supervillains would have been, well, "absorbed" (for lack of a better term) by other heroes. Like, maybe Electro or Stilt-Man were originally Sentry villains, but because of the mindwipe, everyone remembers them as Spidey and Daredevil villains. But aside from the General (and even with him, you wonder where he's been all these years), there really can't be any old Sentry villains to reveal. Is that right, or am I missing something obvious here?

-D

I think you're on the right track.

The Marvel Universe has a number of very powerful villians who lack purposes.

Possibly as a result of the Mind Wipe.

Think about it. Spider-Man used to fight a guy who could give himself any super power to deal with any adversary (The Answer.)

He was a villian who litterally showed up one day working for the Kingpin. Was he just a guy who got luckey like he said, or was he one of the Sentry's villians who lost his place in the world.

And if it's the case with him, imagine other villians who it's the same for.

Iron Fist has single handedly been able to beat the entire Wrecking Crew. In T-Bolts, Speed Demon solo'd the Wrecker. The thing is Wrecker really isn't THAT powerful... that's why She-Hulk can wreck the entire crew single handedly in a matter of seconds (why Thor can't I don't know). When Wrecker is sharing his strength with the rest of the crew, he only has class 10 strength. He's about as strong as Spiderman (though probably a lot tougher).

But I'll agree about Sentry. He's arguably the most powerful Marvel Super hero so he does raise the power curve considerably.

The key there is that's been the Wrecker with his crew, where they are all sharing their power.

It was made clear in this issue that the Wrecker was on his own, and presumably had all the power (which has made him a near match for Thor.)

Besides it's not like the beating was unexplicable. He was smashing Spidey and Wolverine for miles (okay meters, but miles sounds more impressive.) He looked like a genuine threat.

[ocelotrevs]

I liked this issue, but I can't say I loved it.
Is it just me or is there something about the art. I don't hate it, but I don't like it

[xmanson]

So, who remembers the freaking guy? Reed, his wufe and Emma? Is reed telling everyone about him? Does the herores memory of him begin, let's say, around Breakout or the beggining of this arc, for instance? Can't Reed just tell everyone? How about Jameson finding out all the dirt and publishing it in a huge scandal? Hmmm.. and really, "you're very dangerous.. wanna join us?" So, Logan is needed in the team because they are pussies that will get someone else to do the killing if the theam has to and now they are recruiting a huge mess because they feel guilty over Wanda? And Ronin will join because they need a generic ninja type?

This book is definetly not bad, but fails to really amaze me.

[Tobias March]

The General should be dead according to the mini but who knows? He may still be alive biding his time or something. As far as the Sentry villains go from the mini, there weren't much but I remember the Android Pirates of Dimension 9 (Sentry/FF), The Void , The General (Sentry/X-Men), and the Lobster People (Sentry/Hulk).

I doubt anyone wants to claim the Lobster People for their Rogues Gallery :D

[lonewolf23k]

So, who remembers the freaking guy? Reed, his wufe and Emma? Is reed telling everyone about him? Does the herores memory of him begin, let's say, around Breakout or the beggining of this arc, for instance? Can't Reed just tell everyone? How about Jameson finding out all the dirt and publishing it in a huge scandal? Hmmm.. and really, "you're very dangerous.. wanna join us?" So, Logan is needed in the team because they are pussies that will get someone else to do the killing if the theam has to and now they are recruiting a huge mess because they feel guilty over Wanda? And Ronin will join because they need a generic ninja type?

This book is definetly not bad, but fails to really amaze me.

Well, I suppose it's possible that some of Sentry's rogues might remember him, if only as a result of the Void's actions (The Void being hinted as coming back in Sentry's miniseries). As for Sentry being on the Avengers.. ...Well, somebody's gotta keep an eye on him, right? And he might as well do some good in the process, right?


Edit: As for Logan's membership on the team, I have a much, much better rationalisation for it: Liaison between the Avengers and the X-Men. Let's face it, Logan's got his hands in both, so he might as well serve as a link between the teams, right?

[Kevinroc]

Well, I suppose it's possible that some of Sentry's rogues might remember him, if only as a result of the Void's actions (The Void being hinted as coming back in Sentry's miniseries). As for Sentry being on the Avengers.. ...Well, somebody's gotta keep an eye on him, right? And he might as well do some good in the process, right?


Edit: As for Logan's membership on the team, I have a much, much better rationalisation for it: Liaison between the Avengers and the X-Men. Let's face it, Logan's got his hands in both, so he might as well serve as a link between the teams, right?

Kirkman used Wolverine as a liason between the X-Men and Avengers in an issue of Marvel Team-Up.

[Will.S]

I doubt anyone wants to claim the Lobster People for their Rogues Gallery :D
Heheh, indeed.

[kelvingreen]

Well, I'm going to be in the definite minority here, but...

What a waste of time, money and paper.

Four issues for that? To find out that the most powerful hero in the Marvel Universe was brought low by a character from an old British kids' comic (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/j/jumbo.htm)? That his status as the ultimate personification of Stan Lee's "flawed hero" philosophy is no longer valid because all the bad stuff was someone else's fault all along?

Another solo arc in what's supposed to be a team book, which is going to be followed by, oh look, two more solo arcs. That'll put us up to what, #16, #17 before the team is finally assembled? And when they are finally assembled, will they actually do anything, or will Machine Man or the New Warriors be turning up to save their arses and explain the plot?

Badly paced, badly written gibberish. With this and the insipid House of M, Bendis has really proved that he can't do team books. Straczynski's writing a better Avengers team than this in ASM.


But yeah, the thing with the Watchtower and Avengers Tower occupying the same space was a pretty cool trick, I'll give Bendis that much... ;)

[tricksterpup]

I hear that around issue 20 they will be pitted against an old spiderman foe.

The White Rabbit.
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[Harold of the Rocks]

I hear that around issue 20 they will be pitted against an old spiderman foe.

The White Rabbit.
http://warp.merchi.org/wrpose.png
http://warp.merchi.org/wr2.jpg

That's because Logan is gonna set them up for movie night when they were gonna dose out and watch "Clockwork Orange", "The Wall", and "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy... turns out that they get some tainted LSD and have a shared hallucination (well, actually Bob has a 'bad trip' and psychically pulls the rest of the team into it). That's when 'White Rabbit' shows up... turns out that Tony has Jefferson Airplane's "One Pill" blaring on the killer stereo system at the same time. Because the whole team is F'd up, nobody can seem to work the remote control and turn it down/off, so **** gets crazy. We end up having a life-changing experience for one character! The Marvel universe will never be the same! Somebody dies! You won't believe it!

Or not.

;)

[tricksterpup]

And yes, in typical New Avengers Fashion they need to be rescued by
FrogMan
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/frogm217.gif

But this time to explain to everyone what happens THE ECDYSIAST stops by.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/ecdysiast1.jpg

[Jagernaut]

She Has A Blow Dryer For A Gun!!! Bwahahahahahah!!!!

[kelvingreen]

So, who remembers the freaking guy?
Add to your list the Hulk, who never forgot the Sentry in the first place, according to the original mini.

I doubt that's going to come up at any point in NA (but maybe the second miniseries?), but the Hulk remembers him and everything he did.

[kelvingreen]

Oh, and presumably Death's Head II knows about the Sentry, as he absorbed every shred of data from Reed Richards' computers and files. Perhaps Death's Head 3.0 will, by extension, also know all about the Sentry, but I don't expect it to come up. ;)

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/ecdysiast1.jpg

OMG... :D
Where is that stripper from?
(sorry, she is not a stripper, right?
At those prices...SHE's AN ECDYSIAST!!!!!!!!)


Seriously...what is that picture from, a HULK book?

[Jagernaut]

Random questions...

Who sent Murdock to the Raft to talk to Sentry?
How is the ending of the Sentry mini explained now?

[tricksterpup]

OMG... :D
Where is that stripper from?
(sorry, she is not a stripper, right?
At those prices...SHE's AN ECDYSIAST!!!!!!!!)


Seriously...what is that picture from, a HULK book?

First Appearance: Incredible Hulk II#417 (May, 1994)

Powers/Abilities: The Ecdysiast is skilled at the art of ecdysiasm (stripping). She wields a hair dryer while in costume.

History: (Incredible Hulk II#417 (fb, BTS))- While Captain America was preparing a bachelor party for his one-time sidekick Rick Jones, he was convinced by Nick Fury to hire the Ecdysiast. Captain America did not know what an ecdysiast was, but was told by Fury that it meant she was a stage magician.

(Incredible Hulk II#417)- The Ecdysiast appeared at Rick's bachelor party, demanding that the super-heroes gathered turn Jones over to her. Captain America, still believing her to be a magician, had the other heroes comply. She sat Rick down in a chair, kissed him, then began to remove her clothes. It was only then that Captain America realized he had been tricked.

[Shellhead]

First Appearance: Incredible Hulk II#417 (May, 1994)

One of the best Hulk covers, ever!

http://hulkangry.com/images/wallpaper/comicbooks/hulk400/417.jpg

[Shaun-zilla]

his power level was not discussed at all so no one know's what he can do


The power of a million exploding sun's..sorta sum's it up.

[Sean Whitmore]

My only complaint with this issue is it marks Bendis' THIRD consecutive Avengers story where the Avengers don't beat the bad guy. I'm talking overall story-arcs here, not one-offs like Electro and Wrecker.

In "Disassembled", it was horribly wrong-headed. In "Breakout", it was not as bad, but still not a great idea to start out a new book with the team standing around while SHIELD blows up the bad guys.

In this story it made perfect sense, but...three in a friggin' row, y'know?


SEAN

[chicainery]

The White Rabbit.
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Yes! Yes! Yes!

[Dante]

I read a lot of complaints about the fact that Bendis didn't write any good fight scenes in this book, even including arc 1.

Well yeah! Bendis' strength isn't good fight scenes its dialog. I think I have seen two maybe three good fight scenes that Bendis has done. So instead we get a lot of dialog and we get the passivism way of dealing with problems. Bring in Emma Frost or Dr. Strange because we can't fight this thing we need to analize it. But Bendis' dialog cannot be beat people. I'll admit it.

I was liking the sentry arc, until he got his mind unlocked. Because he got into that aweful costume and then the tower appeared. The tower isn't my biggest complaint. I think it is just silly looking. I mean the tower has these big wings or tentacle things. I don't know if it really fits my favorite team. I really do hope that they can turn it off. I don't mind them living there, I just don't want to see it. Then I really think they need to reimage the Sentry. I like the long hair deal in Breakout, but I thought he just looked sappy in this issue in costume.

I hope they use the sentry quite a bit. I don't want him to be relugated to the back row and just coming to help when they need a carnage torn in half. I just seems to me that he is a standing in the back row character to Bendis (HOM).

Possible Spoilers....







And I don't know why anyone hasn't said it yet but here goes.....








Ronin is Daredevil.








Have a nice day
Dante

[XPac]

I read a lot of complaints about the fact that Bendis didn't write any good fight scenes in this book, even including arc 1.

Well yeah! Bendis' strength isn't good fight scenes its dialog. I think I have seen two maybe three good fight scenes that Bendis has done. So instead we get a lot of dialog and we get the passivism way of dealing with problems. Bring in Emma Frost or Dr. Strange because we can't fight this thing we need to analize it. But Bendis' dialog cannot be beat people. I'll admit it.

I was liking the sentry arc, until he got his mind unlocked. Because he got into that aweful costume and then the tower appeared. The tower isn't my biggest complaint. I think it is just silly looking. I mean the tower has these big wings or tentacle things. I don't know if it really fits my favorite team. I really do hope that they can turn it off. I don't mind them living there, I just don't want to see it. Then I really think they need to reimage the Sentry. I like the long hair deal in Breakout, but I thought he just looked sappy in this issue in costume.

I hope they use the sentry quite a bit. I don't want him to be relugated to the back row and just coming to help when they need a carnage torn in half. I just seems to me that he is a standing in the back row character to Bendis (HOM).

Possible Spoilers....







And I don't know why anyone hasn't said it yet but here goes.....








Ronin is Daredevil.








Have a nice day
Dante

I agree that Bendis is better at dialogue than fight scenes... which is maybe why he's not the best choice for a team book like Avengers. I think fight scenes is a big part of what people expect in an Avengers comic... thought that's just my opinion.

As for DD being Ronin... it's been said and speculated one for a while but my understanding was that the writers already said it wasn't Daredevil. But we'll see.

[marvelboy]

deh the ronin is da taskmaster or silver samurai

[oldtimer]

FOr the the only thing Bendis is lacking is the ability to chorerograph a good fight. So far we get nothing but these huge splash panel mod scenes.

Call me simpistic, but I do like the occasional good fight scene in a comic. After nearly a years worth of issues, I can't say I've gotten one yet.

But that aside, I do enjoy Bendis writing. And the art is cool too.


I agree that the writing and art is solid but that the pacing is a little slow and drawn out. It's 10 issues and we still don't have the team totally in place yet. Part of my (and I think others) problem, is that I keep comparing NA to the structure of the old Avengers and it simply isn't that type of book. Looser, less team structured, with less conventional fight scenes. I guess I'd like a little more of that 'old school" structure combined with Bendis' more unstructured approach. For example, I'd have traded a couple of "talking head" Emma pages for a couple more fight scenes-call me unsophisticated.

As a fan from wayyy back though, the original Avengers also took awhile to get started with plenty of comings and goings-but at least there was a good balance of action.

I think Ronin is Nick Fury.

[Jagernaut]

You guys are SOOOOOOOO off. It's obvious that Ronin is a clone of Uncle Ben. :p

[StoneGold]

Ronin is the Winter Soldier, who is actually the Ultimates traitor.

[tricksterpup]

Yes! Yes! Yes!
Yep, you are right, we need more hot chicks to appear in New Avengers.
Gimme the White Rabbit any day.
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[Elevation]

I dont care who this Ronin guy is I actually dont see the need for him at all. Iron Man claims Sentry and Wolverine were the last two missing pieces what more could a ninja offer to an already beefed up team thanks to the Sentry

[XPac]

I dont care who this Ronin guy is I actually dont see the need for him at all. Iron Man claims Sentry and Wolverine were the last two missing pieces what more could a ninja offer to an already beefed up team thanks to the Sentry


Hmmm... on paper a ninja does seem sort of redundent if they already have Cap, Logan, and Spidey. Though we don't know who he is or what his powers are, so perhaps he'll add more than we know.

But that aside, it's pretty clear Bendis doesn't give a dam about power levels. Whatever Ronin adds will be in the form of character interaction.

[tricksterpup]

Hmmm... on paper a ninja does seem sort of redundent if they already have Cap, Logan, and Spidey. Though we don't know who he is or what his powers are, so perhaps he'll add more than we know.

But that aside, it's pretty clear Bendis doesn't give a dam about power levels. Whatever Ronin adds will be in the form of character interaction.
Now that you made mention of this, Doesnt Wolverine have Ninja Training????
and who really needs subtle when you have the likes of Sentry and Wolverine on the team??

[G. Wayne]

ri-frikkin-dick-u-lously over complicated plot to re-introduce the sentry. was the jenkins/comic book thing really necessary? can anyone even explain the logic?
roberts didn't want to be forgotten, so he was subconsciously psionically influencing paul jenkins to write the comic so the sentry would be remembered? wtf?
and it wasn't the combined shenanigans of reed and strange that led to everyone forgetting the sentry, it was mastermind?! or was it the mastermind mind-screw that lead to the creation of the void in the first place? then reed and strange did the wammy on everyone?

why even throw in z grade villain like mastermind for that matter?

Hmmm... on paper a ninja does seem sort of redundent if they already have Cap, Logan, and Spidey. Though we don't know who he is or what his powers are, so perhaps he'll add more than we know.

But that aside, it's pretty clear Bendis doesn't give a dam about power levels. Whatever Ronin adds will be in the form of character interaction.

you mean like all the interaction between cap and logan, cage and logan, iron man and anyone other than cap, spider-man actually talking to anyone and not just commenting on the situation? etc etc.

oh. wait. bendis can't do a team book. jms is writing the new avengers so much better as a SUB-PLOT in one of his own books that it's almost sad.

[Jagernaut]

The Mastermind mind screw created teh Void. With the Void around, they had to get rid of the Sentry. Thus, Reed and Strange used the mind wipe machine. Void came back. Mind wipe machine again. Sentry's power somehow overrode the mind wipe, so he influenced Jenkins to tell his tales in comic form. The Sentry mini we all read, is that adventure in comic form.

[jadegiant77]

I liked this one! But it sucked that Sentry only suited up two pages before the end of the book! :evilangry I can't wait for the mini to begin(that's Wednesday, right?) and see Sentry's reaction to the Hulk, the return of Watchdog, Scout, etc. I also wanna finally see what his origin really is.

[Alan2099]

Ah. Good to see that I'm not the only person that thinks this comic was screwed up. For a minute there, I thought somebody had stuck an Avengers cover on a White Queen comicbook.

We've still yet to actually see the Avengers beating anybody important.

The Sentry's flaws were taken away, which pretty much ruins the main appeal of the character for me.

Still, this gets points just because I think it's the first time we've had anything that actually resembled an ending.

[StoneGold]

The Sentry's flaws were taken away, which pretty much ruins the main appeal of the character for me.

Read Sentry #1. The flaws are still there, minus the pretend to kill my wife and go catatonic in prison one.

[tricksterpup]

Read Sentry #1. The flaws are still there, minus the pretend to kill my wife and go catatonic in prison one.
oh you mean minus the bendis plots. ;)

[StoneGold]

oh you mean minus the bendis plots. ;)
Actually, I'm going to guess the General and Mastermind's psychic surgery will come up at some point. Possibly Jenkins, too.

[Avalanche]

Ah. Good to see that I'm not the only person that thinks this comic was screwed up. For a minute there, I thought somebody had stuck an Avengers cover on a White Queen comicbook.

We've still yet to actually see the Avengers beating anybody important.

The Sentry's flaws were taken away, which pretty much ruins the main appeal of the character for me.

Still, this gets points just because I think it's the first time we've had anything that actually resembled an ending.

I agree...

I love the New Avengers, but right now it just doesn't feel very Avenger like. They almost seem like they're sidelined and secondary to everything else in their own book. It doesn't focus enough on them doing much of anything. Issue #10 did have way too much Emma, but I guess there really wasn't another way to do it, but I don't think it had to drag on as long as it did. I want to see the Avengers actually fighting as a team, just them. Hopefully after the Ronin arc we'll see more Avenger action and strictly Avengers. Maybe I'm just impatient, the team is rather new, and still forming, so I guess they might not jump right into things, yet.

[Kirk G]

Ah. Good to see that I'm not the only person that thinks this comic was screwed up. For a minute there, I thought somebody had stuck an Avengers cover on a White Queen comicbook.

We've still yet to actually see the Avengers beating anybody important.

The Sentry's flaws were taken away, which pretty much ruins the main appeal of the character for me.

Still, this gets points just because I think it's the first time we've had anything that actually resembled an ending.
I have to agree with you on this one. I was baffled why this was an Avengers comic. It was all White...
All white backgrounds...and all White Queen... who we now have an indication that she is still with the Hellfire club after all in Astonishing #12...