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kane
09-18-2005, 05:43 PM
A Thor without Mjolnir, what power does he possess?. Only his super strenght?

And how does it work with the hammer? Some who can lift the hammer gets the power of Thor. But not only the control over storms etc., but also super strength.

So is Thor stronger with his hammer?

cosmicspidey
09-18-2005, 09:45 PM
Mjolnir is a weapon which he can use to fly, open portals, and hit people. When someone lifts Mjolnir, that's all they get. And most people wouldn't be strong enough to spin the hammer fast enough to open a portal or throw it into the air as they hold fast to the strap (thus enabling them to take flight).

Thor's super strength, nigh invulnerabilty, and control over storms are his super powers.

mattbib
09-18-2005, 09:48 PM
And most people wouldn't be strong enough to spin the hammer fast enough to open a portal or throw it into the air as they hold fast to the strap (thus enabling them to take flight)."Most people" wouldn't be able to lift Mjolinir period, because of its enchantment.

Paradox
09-18-2005, 09:55 PM
cosmicspidey makes the claim:

Mjolnir is a weapon which he can use to fly, open portals, and hit people. When someone lifts Mjolnir, that's all they get. And most people wouldn't be strong enough to spin the hammer fast enough to open a portal or throw it into the air as they hold fast to the strap (thus enabling them to take flight).

Thor's super strength, nigh invulnerabilty, and control over storms are his super powers.

Well, it's probably been portrayed inconsistantly over the years (like just about everything else about Thor), but I do remember Red Norvell had the storm powers and the power to project energy from the head of the hammer, so...

kane
09-19-2005, 01:24 AM
Mjolnir is a weapon which he can use to fly, open portals, and hit people. When someone lifts Mjolnir, that's all they get. And most people wouldn't be strong enough to spin the hammer fast enough to open a portal or throw it into the air as they hold fast to the strap (thus enabling them to take flight).

Thor's super strength, nigh invulnerabilty, and control over storms are his super powers.

But to controll the storm he has to use Mjolnir, so his real super power is only his strength and invulnerability, the rest is the hammer.

Titan76
09-19-2005, 01:41 AM
But to controll the storm he has to use Mjolnir, so his real super power is only his strength and invulnerability, the rest is the hammer.
In the last Thor story arc he didn't have Mjolnir and he called for rain to morn the people who had died in battle and it came down.

kane
09-19-2005, 03:51 AM
Hm, i do not have the last storyline here at the moment, but it was rune-thor with the power of odin.

I think about the normal, classic Thor.

Dizzy D
09-19-2005, 05:31 AM
But to controll the storm he has to use Mjolnir, so his real super power is only his strength and invulnerability, the rest is the hammer.

And of course his longlevity/nigh-immortality is a power.

Titan76
09-19-2005, 06:14 AM
Hm, i do not have the last storyline here at the moment, but it was rune-thor with the power of odin.

I think about the normal, classic Thor.
I know he didn't have the Odin power at the time so I believe this was just the regular Thor that did this.

Gibran
09-19-2005, 08:59 AM
Thor used to use a lot of weather powers without Mjolnir back in the old days (like shoot tornadoes from his cape, lightning from finger tips, etc), but he stopped doing that once his titled hit the 100s or so. Since then, the times he used weather sans hammer are few and far between.

Kirk G
09-19-2005, 02:34 PM
Thor used to use a lot of weather powers without Mjolnir back in the old days (like shoot tornadoes from his cape, lightning from finger tips, etc), but he stopped doing that once his titled hit the 100s or so. Since then, the times he used weather sans hammer are few and far between.
As with much of Marvel in the early days, Stan Lee could not recall what he wrote from one issue to the next. Hense, we get Bruce Banner, Robert Banner, Scott Summers, Steve Summers, and an incredible Hulk who in one issue can change at will, in another, it takes a machine, and in a third, he can FLY....no, not leap, actually fly.... and at one point, Rick Jones can control the hulk mentally.

So, to hear that Thor has varying powers in the first, say, dozen appearances is not surprising. I have read that it was Stan's brother in law, Larry Lieber who came up with the URU hammer twist, without Stan knowing what it was or what it was supposed to do.

Thor's Elizabethan/Shakespeare speach didn't start until about issue 108 or so, and Chic Stone didn't show up over Kirby's artwork consistently until about then also.
Sorry, I can't be more specific and tell you months and years when this gelled cause I don't have my Marvel Masterworks volume handy.

Can anyone else help? :rolleyes:

Captain Smith
09-19-2005, 03:19 PM
His immortality came from eating Freya's fruits, IIRC. Thus, he is only strong and has partial invulnerability. That was very inconsistent.

No hammer and he is just a street leveler.