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Paradox

09-18-2005, 09:47 AM

twilight's only a little misinformed:

I doubt she'll be showing up anytime soon.

From what I hear she's almost universally hated.

Nah, that was Triathlon.

With Silverclaw...yeah, there were those that hated her, but as usual, they were the loudest and most repetitive voices on the 'Net. From what I could tell, most were actually pretty indifferent to her. She's not a huge fan favorite, but I don't think she's widely hated either. We barely saw anything of her to hate.

I think she's got potential, but I wouldn't expect to see her in New Avengers anytime soon. She doesn't seem to fit the current scheme.

Ravenheart

09-18-2005, 10:02 AM

I never heard of her before so I just looked up some info on her.Sounds like a pretty cool character.

Alan2099

09-18-2005, 10:23 AM

She had potential, but she never really did anything.

ChildOfTheDarkholde

09-18-2005, 11:19 AM

I wish she had been used better.
The character has lots of potential.
I also feel that her ethnicity wasn't made a big deal in the book which is cool...we need hispanic characters that latino kids can look up to, BUT without all the empty "LOOK,SHE IS LATINA!!" hype that predisposed too many people to hate Arana.
(IMO, all the overblown hype about Arana's ethnicity created a feel of "that's all she has?"...whether the caharacter itself is good or bad, the hype's focus probably hurt her more than help)

Silverclaw on the other hand was simply a character that just happened to be hispanic, and even though her first arc was very much centered around her native country and its mythology, her etnicity itself wasn't the issue .
I wish she joined the Young Avengers or the Runaways...

Lochdale

09-18-2005, 11:46 AM

Hispanic isn't an ethnicity. It's just a broad and rather silly generalization to describe anyone from south of the US border. There are South Americans who are more Spanish or African or Indian than they are "hispanic". Sorry for the rant but it's a silly term.

Silverclaw was just boring.

ChildOfTheDarkholde

09-18-2005, 01:49 PM

Silverclaw was just boring.

To you she was.
It's all subjective;Hawkeye,Black Knight and Wonder Man all have way more fans and and a higher profile than Lupe, and yet I find them utterly bland and useless characters.
It's all good.

Lochdale

09-18-2005, 01:56 PM

To you she was.
It's all subjective;Hawkeye,Black Knight and Wonder Man all have way more fans and and a higher profile than Lupe, and yet I find them utterly bland and useless characters.
It's all good.

Oh I agree...with every aspect of your post. I find all of those characters boring as well :D

Crimson

09-18-2005, 02:17 PM

I brought the avengers 2005 issue of bios and it had a page for Silverclaw.

Does anybody know when or where she will appear in avengers during 2005.

Just cause she was in the 2005 book doesn't mean she'll appear this year (she could but I'm guessing its unlikely). Its just the title of the book and nothing more.

Sorry if you were looking forward to seeing her.

StoneGold

09-18-2005, 03:11 PM

Actually, if I had anything againt Silverclaw, it was just really stupid powers combined with a really stupid origin.

TimmyTony

09-18-2005, 03:13 PM

Her powers weren't any stupider than Wanda's "probability altering" hexes, or Wasp's shrinking or Hwkeye's trick arrows.
It's all about the writer, and I think Busiek wrote her well.

StoneGold

09-18-2005, 04:07 PM

Her powers weren't any stupider than Wanda's "probability altering" hexes, or Wasp's shrinking or Hwkeye's trick arrows.
It's all about the writer, and I think Busiek wrote her well.
Nah, they're at least stupider than Wasp's shrinking. She was Jayna without the monkey.

Dermie

09-18-2005, 08:51 PM

Just cause she was in the 2005 book doesn't mean she'll appear this year (she could but I'm guessing its unlikely). Its just the title of the book and nothing more.

Exactly. They were just getting around to the rest of the Avengers who were not covered in the 2004 edition.

mattbib

09-18-2005, 09:04 PM

Silverclaw is a fine, if not redundant, character. She was very interesting, especially with her relationship to Jarvis, but hardly necessary given the multitude of already existing Avengers.

Magneto_X

09-18-2005, 09:28 PM

Silverclaw is a fine, if not redundant, character. She was very interesting, especially with her relationship to Jarvis, but hardly necessary given the multitude of already existing Avengers.

Not necessarily. Being able to change into animals (and tough enough to give Cap a decent fight!) can be useful---spying, talking to animals or finding/smelling clues to find enemies.

The *whole team* is under-powered compared to Sentry. Not to mention the two Spiders.

It just depends on how she uses her power. Changeling/Beast Boy isn't redundant in Teen Titans!

mattbib

09-18-2005, 09:31 PM

Silverclaw was put in the Avengers long before the Sentry and the current New Avengers. There were plenty of other Avengers with similar animalistic abilities already in existence: Beast, Tigra, Hellcat. Yeah, no other shapeshifters, but certainly plenty of others who had already filled her role.

Alphaxman

09-18-2005, 10:54 PM

I liked her, especially the relationship she had with Jarvis. It’s a shame that he’s always a background character that’s just there to serve coffee and tea when the Avengers are in a meeting. She was someone he could look after and love like a daughter. But I did think she was too much like Snowbird, from the powers to the origin. The only difference was she turned to human/animal hybrids and was chrome. She did have a fun personality

TimmyTony

09-18-2005, 10:56 PM

I don't get why the word "redundant" is used to belittle a character's presence on the team.
Avengers'history is full of instances in which redundant characters (powers-wise) have been on the time, Wasp and Hank, Spider-Woman and Spider-man, Tigra and Beast, Black Panther and Captain America, She-hulk and Hercules, etc... She-Hulk and Thor, Thor and Hercules, etc...

Frank

09-19-2005, 01:16 AM

She was basicly an updated Mantis. But I would not mind seeing her back, the metamorphosis into white half-beasts has potential.

Paradox

09-19-2005, 02:39 AM

Frank makes me say "Wha...":

She was basicly an updated Mantis.

This ought to be interesting.

In what way? Because I don't see any similarity at all besides them both being female.

Paragon Kobold

09-19-2005, 03:12 AM

I liked her.

Besides, shapeshifting is a cool power, at least if the artist gets it right.
I can't think of any other shapeshifters in the Avengers. (?)

dazzler_slave

09-19-2005, 01:09 PM

I liked her a lot. She was an ethnic minority without it being mentioned ALL THE TIME, and she was fun and light. She could have been used quite well as the ingenue on the team, and her powers were interesting, and despite what some others say, very different from any other Avengers. I don't consider her changing into human/animal hybrids at all comparable to agile and strong beast or Hellcat who was basically an acrobat in a costume. As for Tigra, I guess because she had fur and Silverclaw sometimes was an animal with fur, or Tigra had claws and Silverclaw was sometimes an animal with claws, similarities could be made, but only if we stretch it.

Will.S

09-19-2005, 01:15 PM

I didn't have any problems with Silverclaw.

I actually hope she comes back someday with a better costume but I was never bored with her or found that she didn't add anything to the team.

milly3cat

09-19-2005, 11:11 PM

Thanks for all the comments guys , I am afraid you might be right , she is in the book because she was once in the team . Not because she will be in the team this year.

How ever the new avengers has only one woman and no child character.
so maybe ?????

Magneto_X

09-19-2005, 11:53 PM

How ever the new avengers has only one woman and no child character.
so maybe ?????

You have to be 18 and over to be an Avenger. Rage got kicked out because he was underage.

Paradox

09-20-2005, 08:42 AM

Not to mention that Silverclaw isn't a child, she's a college student.

Dermie

09-20-2005, 11:34 AM

Not to mention that Silverclaw isn't a child, she's a college student.

When she was introduced, her age was given as 19. Firestar was 18 when she joined (which was the cut-off age for Avengers membership).

Steven F.

09-20-2005, 12:43 PM

At one point Ant-Man (Scott), Yellowjacket (Hank), and Wasp were all on the active roster. They were fine, so I don't think Silverclaw would have been redundant. But, I don't see her appearing anytime soon.

Tobias March

09-20-2005, 01:01 PM

Frank

09-20-2005, 02:10 PM

This ought to be interesting.

In what way? Because I don't see any similarity at all besides them both being female.

Bare-foot, similar costume, wild girl, ethnic. That`s the first thing I thought when I saw her.

Paradox

09-20-2005, 11:48 PM

Frank goes for superficial details:

Bare-foot, similar costume, wild girl, ethnic. That`s the first thing I thought when I saw her.

Heh, that's like saying Hawkeye's an updated version of Capt. America because they're both blond, have a weapon and wear buccaneer boots.

Perhaps you should change your name to Stretch Armstrong. :D

Red State Cap

09-21-2005, 12:36 AM

I hated the character, and if she never appeared again in the pages of the Avengers it would be too soon.

RSC

dazzler_slave

09-21-2005, 11:45 AM

I hated the character, and if she never appeared again in the pages of the Avengers it would be too soon.

RSC

Honestly, what was there to hate about her? She was in no way offensive. She was a shapeshifter, she was a college student. She appeared a few times but wasn't forced down our throat like X-23 is right now. Her personality was positive and inoffensive. Where does hatred come in? Isn't that a bit strong of a word? I can see people finding her boring or silly or unneccessary, but there really isn't anything there to elicit hatred dude.

dazzler_slave

09-21-2005, 11:46 AM

Bare-foot, similar costume, wild girl, ethnic. That`s the first thing I thought when I saw her.

Weak dude. That's like saying all us minorities look alike

ChildOfTheDarkholde

09-21-2005, 02:14 PM

Honestly, what was there to hate about her? She was in no way offensive. She was a shapeshifter, she was a college student. She appeared a few times but wasn't forced down our throat like X-23 is right now. Her personality was positive and inoffensive. Where does hatred come in? Isn't that a bit strong of a word? I can see people finding her boring or silly or unneccessary, but there really isn't anything there to elicit hatred dude.

Exactly my point.

I could even understand if she had been instrumental in doing some damage to some fan favorite Avenger or something, but for the most part she showed up, did her thing and disappeared into the background again.
Hardly deserving of hatred...

BlackKnight

09-21-2005, 02:20 PM

Exactly my point.

I could even understand if she had been instrumental in doing some damage to some fan favorite Avenger or something, but for the most part she showed up, did her thing and disappeared into the background again.
Hardly deserving of hatred...

Gotta agree with you here. I don't see the point of hating her. Heck, we barley knew anything about her to hate. I personal don't feel anyway about her. She was just kinda a blip in my Avengers reading, hardly deserving of hatered or love.

crystalline green

09-21-2005, 02:33 PM

Dr. Hfuhruhurr

09-21-2005, 04:00 PM

I liked Silverclaw and I hope she turns up again. I have a softspot for shapeshifters anyway. I'm sorry we didn't get to see more of her. I disagree too with the statement that she was "redundant". Certainly no more so than just about any other Avenger. I thought she had a lot of potential.

If you think RSC hates Silverclaw, just whisper these two words to him: "Sharon Carter." Be careful, though. He may explode.

crystalline green

09-21-2005, 04:36 PM

If you think RSC hates Silverclaw, just whisper these two words to him: "Sharon Carter." Be careful, though. He may explode.

Oh what's not to love about...Sharon Carter??? :D

*pokes Red State Cap*

Red State Cap

09-22-2005, 12:00 AM

*explodes*

RSC

Babylon23

09-22-2005, 12:16 AM

I thought Silverclaw had a lot of potential, but I doubt she'll be back anytime soon. Marvel seems embarrassed by the "old" Avengers, and Bendis seems to be more interested in returning the 70's characters to their former glory.

Paradox

09-22-2005, 03:03 AM

crystalline green works with the bomb squad:

Oh what's not to love about...Sharon Carter??? :D

*pokes Red State Cap*

Which one? The "simpering perfect female" stereotype or the "hard as nails bitch" stereotype? :p

Frank

09-26-2005, 12:12 AM

Weak dude. That's like saying all us minorities look alike

Look if a girl with short blond hair, with a star on her chest, and have light-based power and is named "Beauty" doesn`t remind people of Dazzler, I give up....

Dermie

09-26-2005, 01:15 AM

Bare-foot, similar costume, wild girl, ethnic. That`s the first thing I thought when I saw her.

"wild girl"? How was Mantis a "wild girl"?

Anyway, I suppose I can see how on a VERY superficial, first-glance impression one might be reminded of Mantis when they first saw Silverclaw, just due to a similiarity in costume design. I can see why someone might think of Mantis just from looking at Lupe's costume.
But I don't think anyone could think they were similar after actually reading an issue with her. The ethnic backgrounds are completely different, the powers are completely different, the personalities are completely different, etc.

Look if a girl with short blond hair, with a star on her chest, and have light-based power and is named "Beauty" doesn`t remind people of Dazzler, I give up....

You're right that such a character would probably remind people of Dazzler. But you have given "Beauty" more similarities to Dazzler than Lupe has to Mantis.
For example: "short blond hair": well, Mantis and Lupe do both have dark hair--but Lupe's is white at the end, whereas Mantis is completely black. Also Lupe's skin is a different colour and shade than Mantis--Lupe has a light brown skin tone when powered down, and silver when using powers. Mantis' skin is very pale...except when she is bright green.

"Light-based power": yeah, here is where your example falls flat on its face. Mantis was a martial artist, and Lupe is a shape-shifter who becomes animals. In terms of powers, Silverclaw should remind people of Snowbird, not of Mantis.

Kurt Busiek

09-26-2005, 09:23 AM

"wild girl"? How was Mantis a "wild girl"?

Or Lupe, for that matter.

Silverclaw's a young Roman Catholic college student, who tends to be demure and hesitant when she doesn't have to take action.

Mantis is an ex-hooker from the streets of Saigon, a sensual, forthrightly-sexual woman who was raised by space mystics in an Easternesque philosophy.

Aside from the bare feet (shared by the Beast, Namor and others) and the fact of being non-white (shared by Living Lightning, the Falcon and more), they really don't seem to have much in common.

kdb

dazzler_slave

09-26-2005, 02:18 PM

Or Lupe, for that matter.

Silverclaw's a young Roman Catholic college student, who tends to be demure and hesitant when she doesn't have to take action.

Mantis is an ex-hooker from the streets of Saigon, a sensual, forthrightly-sexual woman who was raised by space mystics in an Easternesque philosophy.

Aside from the bare feet (shared by the Beast, Namor and others) and the fact of being non-white (shared by Living Lightning, the Falcon and more), they really don't seem to have much in common.

kdb

Exactly! And how does one ever mix up an asian character and a hispanic character anyway. Even basing them on looks alone, they are nothing alike. And as Kurt said, character wise they are totally different.

Paradox

09-27-2005, 12:43 AM

Frank suggests dualism:

Look if a girl with short blond hair, with a star on her chest, and have light-based power and is named "Beauty" doesn`t remind people of Dazzler, I give up....

It's one thing for a character to MOMENTARILY remind you of another. It's an entirely different thing for you to be saying one is an "updated version" of the other.

And, you, apparantly, were the only one struck by this, seemingly based on a lack of footwear.