Sub-Mariner

[brice7]

The long forgotten Sub-Mariner marvels first hero must be appreciated send replys of your opinions about him please. :cool:

[mattbib]

Long forgotten? He's currently appearing in the Defenders mini, not to mention numerous appearances elsewhere within recent months.

[CaptainAwesome]

I dont think he's "long forgotten" I think neglected would be a better word. Sure hes had numberous appearences in a lot of stuff recently, but he hasnt been a main character in a top selling book (except maybe defenders, not sure) in the last few years. Lets get marvel to bring him back with a good writer/artist team. Lets get Bendis and Finch to do it, you may not like them and I know thier not my faves, but they sell books. Who's with me?

[Handcannon]

Namor has been prevalent lately. Last year, you saw him in the last Avengers arc before Disassembled, during disassembled, now in New Avengers and also Defenders. This guy isn't used properly, sure, but maybe he'll show up soon in a future Captain America arc for an old school showdown. That'd be cool if Marvel did that. Hell, maybe you could use that arc to bring Bucky back to Cap's side!!! I SHOULD WORK FOR MARVEL. (I'm talking, like 2 arcs down the road, btw.) :eek:

[lboinyamouf4sho]

love namor in all his glorious arrogance, i'd love to see him whoop the hulks ass drawn by JRjr

[brice7]

love namor in all his glorious arrogance, i'd love to see him whoop the hulks ass drawn by JRjr

JR jr.?? He's a CRAP artist!! :mad:

[thik_3rd]

Lets get Bendis and Finch to do it, you may not like them and I know thier not my faves, but they sell books. Who's with me?
not i, sorry. i didn't read the last namor series because it had a crappy writer. i don't want to miss out on another one.

[Zero Hunter]

I picked up the issues of the John Byrne Namor series drawn by Jae Lee recently and that was some great stuff. I think that whole series was pretty good when Byrne was doing writing and art and then just writing with Lee doing art, and even when Harras was writing with Lee on art. After about issue 40 though when all those guys were gone the book sucked so bad.

Highly recomend Namor 1-40. Some of Byrnes collest work and Jae Lee draws one of the meanest looking Namors ever.

[Bicycle-Repairman]

The Sub-Mariner's a tricky character to write, as he's sometimes a hero, sometimes a villain, and always a jerk. You might think he'd be more popular in this age of "grim and gritty" comics, as he's the original super-anti-hero, but he's also got those wing-like fins on his ankles that seem silly to modern readers.

I've also read John Byrne's run on Namor the Sub-Mariner. It's never been collected as a trade paperback, but you can find back issues for cheap in many comic shops. It's worth checking out for Byrne or Namor fans. The magazine's cover billed Namor as "Marvel's First and Mightiest Mutant", a questionable claim that seemed designed to cash in on the popularity of the X-Men at the time.

While they've collected Namor's appearances in Super-Villain Team-Up and Defenders in the Essential format, Marvel has yet to announce an Essential Sub-Mariner collecting Silver Age stories from Tales to Astonish and Prince Namor, the Sub-Mariner. With a Sub-Mariner movie rumoured to be in the works, maybe we'll see it eventually. I'd also like to see Essential Invaders.

[CaptainAwesome]

I think that the fact that Namor is sometimes good, sometimes bad would make him easy to write for. Also, Ive never thought that he would fit in with the "grim and gritty" caracters like wolverine and the punisher. They are more down to earth (if thats possible), street level if u will, while NAmor is like above all of it. I think they could write him like superman, but an ass.

[thik_3rd]

I think they could write him like superman, but an ass.
or like black adam.

[Jessica Drew]

He's been in New Thunderbolts recently, too.

[Alphaxman]

I picked up the issues of the John Byrne Namor series drawn by Jae Lee recently and that was some great stuff. I think that whole series was pretty good when Byrne was doing writing and art and then just writing with Lee doing art, and even when Harras was writing with Lee on art. After about issue 40 though when all those guys were gone the book sucked so bad.

Highly recomend Namor 1-40. Some of Byrnes collest work and Jae Lee draws one of the meanest looking Namors ever.

I totally agree. That was some of Byrne's best art and he wrote him so well. Unfortunately I stop getting it when he left the art chores.

Peter David wrote a great Aqua-Man, maybe he could bring some life into Namor.

[hondobrode]

or like black adam.

Recognize !!

Those two are two peas in the same pod.

He's an intriguing character, but, like Aquaman, just can't quite find his proper place, it seems.

Yes, he is a huge ass.

[Cayman]

I think Mike Carey would do a good job. He writes a haughty and yet charismatic character so well in Lucifer.

So Carey on writing, Jae Lee back on art.

Cay

[sepia]

Jae Lee did some very good stuff.
I really enjoyed Fantastic Four 1234 (great story) and the Sub-Mariner appearance in Captain America (not so great story but breathtaking art).

The latest Sub-Mariner projects weren't successful: the lame Tsunami series and his appearances in the Invaders series.

I haven't read the Defenders yet, it might be entertaining – but for Namor it's definetly time for his own series.

My choice: Jae Lee (art) and Grant Morrisson (story).

His next appearance will be in Ultimate Fantastic Four # 24.

[CaptainAwesome]

Morrison and lee would be good too, cuz morrison is not affraid to get wacky. Namor could have "out there" stories, like really strange adventures. Morrison could do the same thing he did with JLA, have big space adventures, but undrwater. I would love to see that, plus it would actually sell, thats the best part.

[Cayman]

Morrison and lee would be good too, cuz morrison is not affraid to get wacky. Namor could have "out there" stories, like really strange adventures. Morrison could do the same thing he did with JLA, have big space adventures, but undrwater. I would love to see that, plus it would actually sell, thats the best part.

That'd be cool. When does Morrison finally get free of his DC Exclusive contract?

Cay

[psm]

Well, I doubt Morrison will be working at Marvel anytime soon. With his position at DC as king of all revamped esoteric properties I don't think he'll be leaving anytime soon.

I think the bigger question is, which imprint should the Sub Mariner series appear under?

Marvel Knights or Marvel Universe?

[thik_3rd]

marvel universe. i wouldn't want morrison to come with in 100 yards of a sub-mariner book.

and new invaders was dope.

[CaptainAwesome]

marvel universe. i wouldn't want morrison to come with in 100 yards of a sub-mariner book.

and new invaders was dope.

Whats wrong with morrison? Who would u like to see on this book?

And i didnt know anyone else read New Invaders, I liked it alright, but it could have been better.

[thik_3rd]

morrison is ok, just not what i want for a namor book. i'm honestly not sure who i'd want to write it.

[CaptainAwesome]

I think it really doesnt matter who writes the book, as long as its someone who can sell it. I dont care if it Morrison, who I love, or anyone else, just as long as it gets the fan base to succeed.

Also, I think that any book with characters that dont sell as much, such as namor or Ghost rider, would benifit from the Cable & Deadpool approach. Im not saying do a team up book, but C&DP has all thes wonderful supporting characters who wouldnt be doing anything otherwise. I think the supporting cast should be sort of D-list characters, cult characters, who could help sell the book, because unfortuately, NAmor cant do it himself.

[Frank]

We need a Namor book to see him kicking magor ass.

[Banner]

Don't know how many of you read the series that continued after TOS in the late 60's and ended around issue 77 or something like that (haven't looked it up lately). I know this sounds old timer but that really was the best Sub-Mariner. The quest for his father stuff was classic Marvel. I agree he is one of the tuffest to write. I didn't like the Bryne stuff, but I'm glad if you did because it stayed around longer than most recent stuff.

The current Defenders run is really good but that style won't last for this group, imo.

Bendis is the best choice to bring him back. What's missing is the mystery. Several have tried to get the nobility but that's tricky and I don't think it always comes off right.

Anyway if it could ever be done correctly Marvel would hit a home run.

[CaptainAwesome]

Whats this series called, the one after TOS?

Also, my favorite Namor was when Bill everett did it. He created the character, right? Maybe thats why. Im sure hes pretty old if not dead, but i think we should go in the Mighty Marvel Time MAchine to bring him back, just to work on this for us.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

JR jr.?? He's a CRAP artist!! :mad:


those are fighting words, put up your dukes. :mad:

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i wouldn't mind seeing namor as a major villian for about a year, that would be interesting. have him really beat somebody down to make a statement.

[Banner]

Sub-Mariner 1
There was a one shot after TTS (sorry my mistake; it was Tales to Astonish not Tales of Supense) that had Sub-Mariner and Iron Man (who had been in TTS with Capitan America).

After Marvel discontinued Tales of Supense and Tales to Astonish, each character got his own mag. Capitan America and the Hulk kept the same numbering system but changed the name of the comic to Hulk and Capitan America (Hulk got TOS and Cap got TTS). Iron Man and Sub-Mariner started over with a new number and new name.

Whats this series called, the one after TOS?

Also, my favorite Namor was when Bill everett did it. He created the character, right? Maybe thats why. Im sure hes pretty old if not dead, but i think we should go in the Mighty Marvel Time MAchine to bring him back, just to work on this for us.

[Mike Moran II]

I loved the story arc Namor: the end. It was a mind-blowing comic with sick art. Check it out guys. ;)

[blue13]

Long forgotten? He's currently appearing in the Defenders mini, not to mention numerous appearances elsewhere within recent months.

like what, matt? i think he has been neglected.

a page or two in new avengers? what else?

how many people are actually reading the defenders mini?

it's hard though for marvel to feature him because, imo, he's not very interesting.

Namor has been prevalent lately. Last year, you saw him in the last Avengers arc before Disassembled, during disassembled, now in New Avengers and also Defenders. This guy isn't used properly, sure, but maybe he'll show up soon in a future Captain America arc for an old school showdown. That'd be cool if Marvel did that. Hell, maybe you could use that arc to bring Bucky back to Cap's side!!! I SHOULD WORK FOR MARVEL. (I'm talking, like 2 arcs down the road, btw.) :eek:

i don't think he's been prevalent. emma frost's been prevalent.

yes, he was in the avengers arc before disassembled...but it was a guest-star role.

namor showed up for ONE page, in that big two-page splash, during disassembled - i think, correct me if i'm wrong.

and he has maybe five lines in new avengers. he doesn't even have his own book.

[CaptainAwesome]

it's hard though for marvel to feature him because, imo, he's not very interesting.






What does this even mean?

I cn understand that you dont like him, but in what way is he "not interseting"? He's way more intersting than emma frost, who really has no depth. He's not grim and gritty like almost everyone else in the marvel u. This actually, to me, makes him more interesting.