New line-up Hellfire club

[Blackcat]

It looks like the Hellfire club will make a great come-back.

If you had a say in it, who would you put within the inner circle on the seats of:

White King (before: Pierce, Magneto, Hellstorm and more..)
White Queen (before: Emma Frost, C. Ross, Paris Seville)
White Bishop/princess (Viper)
White Rook (before: Sunspot's dad, Fitzroy)


Black King (before: S.Shaw, Shinobi, Blackheart)
Black Queen (before Selene, Phoenix, Ms Steed)
Black Bishop /princess (before: Leland)
Black Rook (before: Sunspot, von Roehm, Madelyne)

Red King
Red Queen (before: Margali Szardos)
Red Bishop/princess
Red Rook (before: Scribe)

And why? Of course they must fit within the concept there always was (rich and mostly mutants), so a poor ex morlock will never get a seat in the Hellfire Club.

[Cayman]

White King Warren Worthington
White Queen The Three-In-One
White Princess Molly Hayes
White Rook Fantomex

Black King Count Nefaria
Black Queen Zaladane
Black Bishop Modred The Mystic
Black Rook Warp Savant

Red King Daimon Hellstrom
Red Queen Post HoM Wanda Maximoff
Red Bishop/princess Satana
Red Rook Deadpool


I ran out of rich mutants so I went for mystics and sexy people. It seemed fair. Assume all status problems, like death, are fixed.

Cay

[Blackcat]

White King: Sunspot, in his new HF-role
White Queen: Courtney Ross, already there, looks promising
White Princess: Viper, already there, looks promising
White Rook: Red Lotus, Seen before in Hellfire Club last time, looked promising


Black King: Sabastiaan Shaw, the only real Black king
Black Queen: Selene, there's just no one like Selene
Black Princess: Sage, finally getting a real title
Black Rook: Martinique Mastermind, taking her fathers place

Red King: Vargas, Is a real HF-type
Red Queen: Daytripper (Magik II), taking over her mothers place
Red Princess: Magma, has ties with Selene and Sunspot for ages
Red Rook: Archangel, has ties with HF for a long time and could use a totally different role

Bodyguards: Thais & Thaïs, Silveren Samurai and Ms Steed in her role as Damask, wanting to take over the Red Queen's place

What dio you think about this set-up????


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[Joe Zool]

Um, I already posted something similar to this. :(

Oh well. That thread has died a natural horrible death, so... As you were.

[zulu]

Lord Imperial - empty position for the time being......

Black King - Sebastian Shaw
Black Queen - Selene
Black Rook - Siena Blaze
Black Bishop - Tessa
Black Knight - Betsy Braddock

White King - Warren Worthington
White Queen - Madelyne Pryor
White Rook - Amara Aquilla
White Bishop - Roberto DaCosta
White Knight - Eileen Harsaw

Red King - Erik Lensherr
Red Queen - Margali Szardos
Red Rook - Wanda Maximoff
Red Bishop - Pietro Maximoff
Red Knight - Lorna Dane

[Fede]

White King Donald Pierce
White Queen Courtney Ross
White Bishop/princess Viper
White Rook Angel


Black King Sebastian Shaw
Black Queen Selene
Black Bishop /princess Sage
Black Rook Elias Bogan

Red King Roberto Dacosta
Red Queen Madelyne Prior
Red Bishop/princess Magma
Red Rook Psylocke

[Bishop_Proudstar]

The Hellfire Club has become seems like "biggest non-event" since "The Twelve"..

It seems like something that was just re-visited to promote Sage and "The Woman formerly known as The White Queen", then dropped abruptly...

(and tease of their "mysterious intentions"...oooh..)

Shaw never makes moves anymore..

Their families don't have to worry about Apocalypse..

The rest of the members are just taking a break to allow Sage and Sunspot to make it a "nice" organization..

"The War for Hellfire" should rule this Fall..

It won't..

[fishtaco]

Lord Imperial- Sunspot (with Sage as assistant)

Black King- Sebastion Shaw
White King- Donald Pierce

White Queen- Emma Frost
Black Queen- Selene

Black Rook- Somebody new
White Rook- Arcade

White Bishop- Osama bin-Laden
Black Bishop- George Bush

Sat-yr-9 (with Viper) would attempt to assassinate Emma to get her seat back as White Queen. Elias Bogan should be be a powerful patron of the club, but shouldn't exactly hold a rank. Sunspot and Sage may try to give spots in the Inner Circle to X-Men/X-Men allies such as Archangel, Psylocke, Thunderbird III, Captain Britain, Empath, Tarot, Banshee, and more.

As for how Claremont's plot ends up, I would like it if Sunspot and Sage fail to turn the Hellfire Club into a force for good. I want them to learn that Hellfire is evil, and it cannot be turned. Kinda like how Reed Richards attempted to rule Latveria, but failed miserably at it.

"The War for Hellfire" should rule this Fall..

It won't..and I assume by making this statement that you have read the issues of New Excalibur?

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Lord Imperial- Sunspot (with Sage as assistant)

Black King- Sebastion Shaw
White King- Donald Pierce

White Queen- Emma Frost
Black Queen- Selene

Black Rook- Somebody new
White Rook- Arcade

Sat-yr-9 (with Viper) would attempt to assassinate Emma to get her seat back as White Queen. Elias Bogan should be be a powerful patron of the club, but shouldn't exactly hold a rank.

I like this club.
and I assume by making this statement that you have read the issues of New Excalibur?


If they only fight The new White Queen in a cross-over issue...

The rest should be up to The X-Men.

I'm not too sure about "Excalibur" being "the focal point" of this conflict...

[fishtaco]

If they only fight The new White Queen in a cross-over issue...

The rest should be up to The X-Men.

I'm not too sure about "Excalibur" being "the focal point" of this conflict...The X-Men are based in America. The Hellfire Club and Excalibur are based in Europe. Sage has cut off all ties from the X-Men. Therefore, it is more than likely something that will be seen in Excalibur. I would like for Claremont to put most of the focus on Rachel and Betsy's mysterious connection, plus the Shadow King, Jamie, and possibly the DOFP.

I'm sure that Chris can write in a reason for Excalibur to be involved in the affairs in the Hellfire Club, especially since Brian has membership, and Dazzler has issues with them.

[protege]

Lord Imperial - empty position for the time being......

Black King - Sebastian Shaw
Black Queen - Selene
Black Rook - Siena Blaze
Black Bishop - Tessa
Black Knight - Betsy Braddock

White King - Warren Worthington
White Queen - Madelyne Pryor
White Rook - Amara Aquilla
White Bishop - Roberto DaCosta
White Knight - Eileen Harsaw

Red King - Erik Lensherr
Red Queen - Margali Szardos
Red Rook - Wanda Maximoff
Red Bishop - Pietro Maximoff
Red Knight - Lorna Dane
heck, why don't we change the title from X-Men, to Hellfire club?

[Bishop_Proudstar]

The X-Men are based in America. The Hellfire Club and Excalibur are based in Europe. Sage has cut off all ties from the X-Men. Therefore, it is more than likely something that will be seen in Excalibur. I would like for Claremont to put most of the focus on Rachel and Betsy's mysterious connection, plus the Shadow King, Jamie, and possibly the DOFP.

I'm sure that Chris can write in a reason for Excalibur to be involved in the affairs in the Hellfire Club, especially since Brian has membership, and Dazzler has issues with them.

Eh... It's more of an attempt to force the focus onto "Excalibur"..

It's okay as long as The X-men are involved.

I think they will. Storm isn't so sure of Emma. Bishop had conflicts with The HFC. Magma, Cable, etc..

[Tobias March]

White King Warren Worthington
White Queen Emma Frost
White Bishop/princess Magma
White Rook Sunspot


Black King Shaw
Black Queen Selene
Black Princess Roulette
Black Rook Bedlam

Let the Hellions graduate.

Red King Brian Braddock
Red Queen Margali Szardos - I see her breaking out of Limbo to become some weird mix of the Count of Monte Cristo and Pin-Head ;)
Red Bishop/princess Elizabeth Braddock
Red Rook Von Strucker (the guy...what's his name. Yeah him).

[LoneWolf21]

I'm sure that Chris can write in a reason for Excalibur to be involved in the affairs in the Hellfire Club, especially since Brian has membership, and Dazzler has issues with them.

Well there is the UK branch of the Hellfire Club, not seens since Ellis was on Excaliber, although one possible strike against the idea was that Chris had no idea what people were talking about when it was brought up on ComiX-Fan, and then thought it kinda odd after they full story. But hey, you never know.

One thing I'd do? Bring back the old Sebastion vs Shinobi fued (maybe with Roberto trying to bring these two under control and save his own neck at the same time), maybe embue it with a little of the sprit of Hihachi vs Kazuya (or Jin, if you want to give Shinobi a turn as a good guy). Really, Take the cgi opening of Tekken 4, replace Heihachi with Sebastion, and Kazuya with Shinobi, it works perfectly. If I could find a transcription (or make one myself), I'd post it, maybe fix it up to show you what I mean.

[zulu]

heck, why don't we change the title from X-Men, to Hellfire club?

I think I'll do just that! Sending IM to Joe Quesada via MSN Messenger.....

[Frank]

I like the idea of CC turning Excalibur into a Hellfire Club-centered book with spy games and so forth. Because there`s Sage and Wisdom there and you could have a great potential White King in Brian Braddock.

White King- Pietro Maximoff(hot on the heels of House of M, pissed off, ambitious)
White Queen-Emma Frost
White Bishop-Brian Braddock*
White Rook-Courtney Ross(posing as)*

Black King-Roberto DaCosta
Black Queen-Viper
Black Bishop-Sage*
Black Rook-Peter Wisdom*

*Futur King and Queen

-The way I view this is that Viper is really the leader on the black side(former Madame Hydra!), but Wisdom and Sage are pulling strings to position themselves to be King and Queen.

-Viper`s main opponant is Pietro who is making most of the noise of the Hellfire Club. He`s become a A-List villain and takes the mantle of his father with great dedication(and a vengeful heart).

-Emma was still White Queen all along and the group that we`ve seen in Astonishing X-Men 12 are not Hellfire Club anymore just they`re a sort-of a little get-together of former friends and foes of Emma meets once in a while. They would serve as something like her private cabinet, suggesting stategies and so forth.

[DDM]

Chris Claremont has long term plans for the Hellfire Club as shown in X-Treme X-Men, Uncanny X-Men & the upcoming Excalibur:

Lord Imperial: Roberto DaCosta
White Queen: "Courtney Ross" (Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9)
White Princess: Viper
Black Queen: Selene (currently without a body)
Sage: no true rank, advisor to Lord Imperial

However, Elias Bogan is still lurking in the background. I hope we at last learn Bogan's true nature to be the Shadow King.

Donald Pierce has been expelled from the Hellfire Club since his failed coup de'tat in Marvel Graphic Novel #4: The New Mutants when the New Mutants rescued Tessa from Pierce. Donald Pierce is the expelled White King.

Harry Leland is dead when he succumbed to a heart attack in Uncanny X-Men #209. Leland always seems to have had heart problems.

Friedrich Von Rhoem, the Black Rook, is dead, killed by Nimrod in Uncanny X-Men #209. I don't think Selene ever replaced her Cult of Fire high priest after Rhoem's death either...

Selene has some kind of connection to Elias Bogan. Hopefully we will learn just what this connection is soon...

[fishtaco]

Lord Imperial: Roberto DaCosta
White Queen: "Courtney Ross" (Opal Lun Sat-Yr-9)
White Princess: Viper
Black Queen: Selene (currently without a body)
Sage: no true rank, advisor to Lord Imperial

And that is exactly how you want the Inner Circle to be? Just like that?

[QUOTE=Frank]Black King-Samuel Dacosta[/QUOTEYou mean Roberto DaCosta, right?

[DDM]

And that is exactly how you want the Inner Circle to be? Just like that?

My ideal Hellfire Club would consist of the following:

Lord Imperial: Shadow King
Black King: Sebastian Shaw
White Queen: Emma Frost
Black Queen: Selene (with a body)
White King: Donald Pierce

But I know this is not going to happen. Chris Claremont is making his own Hellfire Club.

[Nobbel]

White King: Sunspot, in his new HF-role
White Queen: Courtney Ross, already there, looks promising
White Princess: Viper, already there, looks promising
White Rook: Red Lotus, Seen before in Hellfire Club last time, looked promising


Black King: Sabastiaan Shaw, the only real Black king
Black Queen: Selene, there's just no one like Selene
Black Princess: Sage, finally getting a real title
Black Rook: Martinique Mastermind, taking her fathers place

Red King: Vargas, Is a real HF-type
Red Queen: Daytripper (Magik II), taking over her mothers place
Red Princess: Magma, has ties with Selene and Sunspot for ages
Red Rook: Archangel, has ties with HF for a long time and could use a totally different role

Bodyguards: Thais & Thaïs, Silveren Samurai and Ms Steed in her role as Damask, wanting to take over the Red Queen's place

What dio you think about this set-up????


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I totally agree with this line-up. The best there could be. I like the fact you wanna bring Vargas and Amanda to the club and even more the fact of Ms. Steed in her role as Damask, she was great and bizarre in AoA 1. So I agree on the line-up and the idea.

Great thread Blackcat..............!

[jcp011c]

White King: Black Tom Cassidy. I guess he'd just be called "Tom Cassidy" or "Treeman"
White Queen: Courtney Ross
White Bishop/princess: Viper
White Rook: Donald Pierce


Black King: Sebastion Shaw
Black Queen: Selene
Black Bishop /princess Lady Mastermind
Black Rook Blackheart

Red King: Trevor Fitzroy
Red Queen: Lady Deathstrike
Red Bishop/princess: Seana Blaze
Red Rook: Omega Red

The White group consists of those whose quest for power takes the form in technology or money or political power. "White" for their methods and motives appear to be clean and legal. They provide the financial backings for the rest of the club.
The Black group are the ones who thirst for power through control of others. They are truly the most malicous of the groups. "Black" for the true natures of their souls
The Red group is the group of more menial types. Assasins, teleporters and such. "Red" for the blood they spill in their dirty work.

[fishtaco]

My ideal Hellfire Club would consist of the following:

Lord Imperial: Shadow King
Black King: Sebastian Shaw
White Queen: Emma Frost
Black Queen: Selene (with a body)
White King: Donald Pierce

But I know this is not going to happen. Chris Claremont is making his own Hellfire Club.That's actually a great idea. I like that one a lot.

[atoningunifex]

My Hellfire Club is more alternate reality in nature.....


Lord Imperial- Kitty Pryde
The Emperor's Hand- Sage

White King- Roberto DaCosta
White Queen-Callisto
Black King-Brian Braddock
Black Queen-Selene

The Rookery- Rasputin, Amara Aquilla
The Bishopric- Charles Xavier, Magneto

The Dissenting Faction
Red King- Kurt Wagner
Red Queen- Jean Grey

The Knights Scarlet- Scott and Alex Summers
The Blood Bishops- Ororo Munroe Dracul, Logan

[streator]

i do not like the hellfire club. i haven't really, ever. men dressed in 18th century clothing and women dressed in bondage... okay.
i hope that the hellfire club does not play a large role in new excalibur.

[Frank]

And that is exactly how you want the Inner Circle to be? Just like that?

[QUOTE=Frank]Black King-Samuel Dacosta[/QUOTEYou mean Roberto DaCosta, right?


Doh!

[Cayman]

i do not like the hellfire club. i haven't really, ever. men dressed in 18th century clothing and women dressed in bondage... okay.
i hope that the hellfire club does not play a large role in new excalibur.

Me too, but it probaby will. :(

Cay

[Frank]

i do not like the hellfire club. i haven't really, ever. men dressed in 18th century clothing and women dressed in bondage...

Just for that everybody should like them. Isn`t that not enough? :D

[DDM]

i do not like the hellfire club. i haven't really, ever. men dressed in 18th century clothing and women dressed in bondage... okay.
i hope that the hellfire club does not play a large role in new excalibur.

The women used sex as a weapon. Emma Frost says it very well to sum up the Hellfire Club's ideal as "when men look at me, I cheapen them" (paraphrasing) in Classic X-Men #28. The White Queen & Black Queen uses sex to dominate & even destroy their enemies. You have to look beyond the bondage outfits that what they appear to be. The White Queen, Black Queen--as well as being leaders of the Lords Cardinal--are warriors.

[streator]

The women used sex as a weapon. Emma Frost says it very well to sum up the Hellfire Club's ideal as "when men look at me, I cheapen them" (paraphrasing) in Classic X-Men #28. The White Queen & Black Queen uses sex to dominate & even destroy their enemies. You have to look beyond the bondage outfits that what they appear to be. The White Queen, Black Queen--as well as being leaders of the Lords Cardinal--are warriors.
i understand the reasoning, ddm. i just don't really care for the concept.
i hope nimrod comes back and finishes the job he started with them back in the 80's.

[DDM]

i understand the reasoning, ddm. i just don't really care for the concept.
i hope nimrod comes back and finishes the job he started with them back in the 80's.

Nimrod is dead.

[Alpha to Omega]

Nimrod is dead.

Nimrod II from X-Force is still alive but deactivated.

[crystalline green]

Lord Imperial Sunspot, officially (but secretly the Shadow King)

White King Magneto
White Queen Mystique
White Bishop/princess Viper
White Rook Phantazia


Black King Sebastian Shaw
Black Queen Selene
Black Bishop /princess Laurie/Wallflowers Dad (Can't remember his name)
Black Rook Lady Mastermind

Red King Hellstrom
Red Queen Candra
Red Bishop/princess Mountjoy
Red Rook Red Lotus

[Tobias March]

Yeah her appearance in the last issue of HoM got me a real yen to see what Phantzia is up to these days. When was her first appearance anyway, in those early X-Force issues?

[streator]

Nimrod is dead.
i was joking. i know what happened with nimrod.
question though, related to the hellfire club in london:
was excalibur 100 the last time kurt's adopted mother was seen?

/phantazia did indeed first appear in the early issues of x-force. a liefeld/nicieza creation.

[Tobias March]

i was joking. i know what happened with nimrod.
question though, related to the hellfire club in london:
was excalibur 100 the last time kurt's adopted mother was seen?

/phantazia did indeed first appear in the early issues of x-force. a liefeld/nicieza creation.

Now Magali did turn up again shortly before the end of Ellis' run, trapped in Limbo, with Belasco now in possession of the Soulsword. The Hellfire Club was destroyed when the 'demon under London', was unleashed and all those shennanigans ensued :cool:

[Alpha to Omega]

Now Magali did turn up again shortly before the end of Ellis' run, trapped in Limbo, with Belasco now in possession of the Soulsword. The Hellfire Club was destroyed when the 'demon under London', was unleashed and all those shennanigans ensued :cool:

She also showed up in Claremont's Fantastic Four run where he made her a mutant with the exact same power as Illyana.

[Tobias March]

She also showed up in Claremont's Fantastic Four run where he made her a mutant with the exact same power as Illyana.

What? Damn.

[Alpha to Omega]

What? Damn.

Yeah he later had Amanda reveal herself as a mutant with the same power.

[Tobias March]

You're making me cry Alpha seriously. :(

[Alpha to Omega]

You're making me cry Alpha seriously. :(

Hey I'm just telling you things that Claremont did.

[Tobias March]

Hey I'm just telling you things that Claremont did.

I know, I know, that man never fails to upset me. Ah well.

[streator]

okay, so...
magali, amanda, and iyllana all can teleport?

and thanks for the update, tobias.

[Alpha to Omega]

okay, so...
magali, amanda, and iyllana all can teleport?

and thanks for the update, tobias.

They can all use Limbo's Stepping Disk's to transport themselves and others across vast distances.

[Nobbel]

you're now going waaaay of topic here!!!

[DDM]

okay, so...
magali, amanda, and iyllana all can teleport?

and thanks for the update, tobias.

See Fantastic Four 1999 Annual by Chris Claremont & Landronn. Selene, the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club, regroups the Inner Circle with Blackheart, son of Mephisto, to be the Black King. Selene then uses her powers to transform all of the Hellfire Club members into demons; as a result, she absorbs their souls for more power.

Margali Szardos, once more in a youthful body, rules Limbo. She trains the Fantastic Four to fight Selene because the FF are dealing with powerful black magick in Limbo.

Mechamage is introduced as a magickal version of Iron Man.

The FF, Margali Szardos, & Mechamage defeat Selene, trapping her in the Hellfire Club catacombs with Blackheart. It's why she is without a body now. At some point, she "died," but Selene will eventually come into full power again with a body.

Claremont did not read John Francis Moore's X-Force; therefore, even the Marvel editors did not inform Claremont of the Hellfire Club stories in this series.

[fishtaco]

Black Bishop /princess Laurie/Wallflowers Dad (Can't remember his name)
[/color]oh! genious! I shouldve added that one. That would be a great move!! :)

[Indigo Al]

The good court:

Black King: Sunspot
White Queen: Magma
Black Bishop:
White Rook:Husk (Paige Guthrie)

The bad court:

White King: Empath
Black Queen: Lady Mastermind
White Bishop:Shinobi Shaw
Black Rook:Vargas

The witches' court:

Red King: Daimon Hellstrom
Red Queen: Tarot
Red Bishop:
Red Rook: Talisman (Elizabeth Twoyoungeman)

(Will fill in the gaps later)

[Jack Flash]

so much talk in the Big Bad thread revolves around the Hellfire club, so I thought I'd do a search for a thread like this.

My Hellfire Club
Lord Imperial - Dacosta (slowly being corrupted by Shadow King)
Sage as advisor

Black King - Sebastian Shaw
Black Queen - Selene
Black Bishop - Shinobi Shaw
Black Rook - Damask

White King - Warren Worthington
White Queen - Margoli Szardos
White Bishop - Amara Aquilla
White Rook - Empath

Knights of the Hellfire (Group that teaches the hellions)
Black Knight - Cordelia Frost
White Knight - Husk
Grey Knight - Karma
Red Knight - Tarot

Hellions:

Hellion
Whither
Vincente
Foxx
Mondo
Flex
Illyana
Murmur
Tattoo
Match

[Hi-Fi]

Ugh, Jed. You fail. Roberto as a baddie and on top of that being corrpupted by the Shadow King?? :(

[Jack Flash]

Ugh, Jed. You fail. Roberto as a baddie and on top of that being corrpupted by the Shadow King?? :(

LOL not as a baddie. as a force of good who is failing. the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

[ToxicTeen]

Just as long as Selene is the Black Queen and Wither is the Black King/Rook/Bishop, I really don't care who else is in the Hellfire Club. :D

And I'm only saying this because I can't find any good villains to be in the Hellfire Club. It's very hard since there's a limited number of mutants...:o

[jarrod]

Posted this in the big bad thread, but might as well bring it over here and expand on it. I think the new HFC should naturally retain ties to all the X-teams (X-Men, New X-Men, X-Factor, Excalibur), maybe seeding for the next megacrossover in a year or two. I still think we need a tighter focused HFC though, just a set of kings and queens with their own private associates.


Roberto DaCosta (Lord Imperial) Bobby's trying hard to steer the club towards more admirable endeavors, but finds himself slowly getting more rash, violent and morally ambigious, following Tessa's abandonment. Eventually, it'd come out that he's being slowly corrupted by Bogan and groomed as a new host body for the HFC's mysterious founder.


Sebastian Shaw (Black King) Shaw, being the last holdover from the initial mutant run Inner Circle, finds himself fast falling out of favor. Roberto and Tessa's coup still stings and among the rest of the group he finds himself a bit outmatched in terms of power.... soon it's not about ruling, but about survival. Have him secretly working with Rory Campbell (the soon to be Ahab) on a new defense program incorperating cyborgs using Omega Sentinel tech (ie: a new group of Reavers) and embarking on a risky alliance with the new White Queen.


Selene (Black Queen) Wanting revenge after being imprisioned, have Selene targeting Emma Frost and the Institute specifically. She slowly amasses a new group of her own students (the Hellions) with a few Xaiver crossovers (Wither, Bling!, Onyxx, etc) and some other floating young mutants (Neophyte, Scanner, Vincente, etc) with an eye towards taking Emma down personally, destroying the school and maybe snacking on Rachel on the side. ;)


Pietro Maximoff (White King) Newly minted White King, uses his final remaining Terrigan Crystal on himself. His time based powers heighten and his concurrent speed returns (with some level of electric manipulation as a base). Pietro sees the Club and it's resources as a means to an end, as well as his family prestige and heritage, misguidedly seeing himself as the next great mutant visionary. Have him reform the Brotherhood, as his soldiers in this almost holy war.


Meggan Braddock (White Queen) Having crawled back from the void of oblivion, Meggan returns a changed woman, both physically and mentally. She follows in Emma's footsteps too, plotting with Shaw and against Selene, but is entirely unstable and unpredictable. A seriously crazy, scary, ruthless, dangerous, bloodthirsty biotch, sort of like like Sabretooth, Mystique and Selene rolled up into one. Her initiation into the club being the elimination of it's previous White Queen, Courtney Ross/Sat-yr-9, which Meggan enjoys personally by snapping her neck after plucking out her eyes. :eek:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Meggan as White Queen would be interesting, especially in light of Courtney Ross playing the good guy at the moment, and smarming up to her hubby.

[jarrod]

Meggan as White Queen would be interesting, especially in light of Courtney Ross playing the good guy at the moment, and smarming up to her hubby.

It'd put Brian in a tough position too, as he loves Meggan and would likely feel responsible for her situation. If she killed "Courtney" too, it'd be insanely conflicting for him... why may be part of her motive too. ;)

[Jack Flash]

an evil Meggan would turn into a hideous looking Meggan too. She'd look like a malformed devil. which would be odd to be married too.

[jarrod]

an evil Meggan would turn into a hideous looking Meggan too. She'd look like a malformed devil. which would be odd to be married too.
She'd change on the fly... could be really terrifying.

I'd love hott Meggs in white boindage wear tho.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

She'd change on the fly... could be really terrifying.

I'd love hott Meggs in white boindage wear tho.

And once again Jarrod's true motivation is revealed... ;)

[jarrod]

boind!! :D

[Nobbel]

Black King - Sunspot
Black Queen - Selene
Black Bishop - Vargas
Black Rook - Wither

White King - Quicksilver
White Queen - Courtney Ross
White Bishop - Spiral
White Rook - Viper

Red King - Sabastian Shaw
Red Queen - Damask (how she was in AoA)
Red Bishop - Magma
Red Rook - Red Lotus

[Leaper Queen]

Black King - Sunspot
Black Queen - Selene
Black Bishop - Vargas
Black Rook - Wither

White King - Quicksilver
White Queen - Courtney Ross
White Bishop - Spiral
White Rook - Viper

Red King - Sabastian Shaw
Red Queen - Damask (how she was in AoA)
Red Bishop - Magma
Red Rook - Red Lotus

I do like this line-up a lot, I wish this dreamteam would come true

[The Sword Is Drawn]

A London Hellfire Club variation.

I've split the two factions of the Inner Circle (Black and Red in the case of the London Club) into common purposes. So the Black faction are all individuals who deal with manipulation/psychic/possession powers, and the Red faction are involved with paranormal forces be they magical/demonic/alien.

So that leads to the following lineup.

Black King: Elias Bogan - because frankly I want him damn well explained now that it has been confirmed that he was NOT the Shadow King.

Black Queen: Ms. Steed (Damask) - The psionic skinner.

Black Bishop: Jamie Braddock - Because he works far better as a bad guy, and how do you forgive a guy who profiteered of African slaves and murdered Alysande Stuart. Reality manipulator.

Black Rook: Scribe/Mountjoy - assuming that Mountjoy is still inside her body after all this time.

And

Red King: Blackheart - Son of Mephisto.

Red Queen: Margali Szardos - Damn nasty evil sorcerer that she is.

Red Bishop: Mortigan Goth - The man who sold his soul to Mephisto in exchange for eternal life. And Then Mephisto started taking his body too. A piece at a time.

Red Rook: Romany Wisdom. Sister of Pete Wisdom, former occultist and current host for a race of aliens who intend to colonise Earth once mankind has died out.

[Monty_Cristo]

Lord Cardinal: Shinobi Shaw

White King Manuel Alfonso Rodrigo De La Rocha
White Queen Alison Crestmere
White Bishop/Duchess Monet St.Croix
White Rook(s) Stepford Cuckoos


Black King Roberto Dacosta
Black Queen Sofia Mantega
Black Bishop /Duchess Julian Keller
Black Rook Kevin Ford

[Jack Flash]

In honor of WBE's Hellfire Month, I am resurrecting this thread!

Here are some new thoughts on who I'd like to see.

Black King
Sebastian Shaw

Black Queen
Selene

Black Rook
Shinobi Shaw

Black Bishop
Damask

White King
Dacosta

White Queen
Magma

White Rook
Empath

White Bishop
Lady Mastermind

LOL to me resurrecting a BlackCatian thread!

[worstblogever]

Thank you Jed! I was going to create a thread like this... but you found one that exists and resurrected it. Much appreciated.

[Mormel]

Completely random here, but are there 'Black Knights' and 'White Knights' in the Hellfire Club? I thought it would be cool if every single chess piece were represented in the Club's Inner Circle. Except pawns, of course.

[worstblogever]

Completely random here, but are there 'Black Knights' and 'White Knights' in the Hellfire Club? I thought it would be cool if every single chess piece were represented in the Club's Inner Circle. Except pawns, of course.

I'll answer, though it'll ruin the surprise of their entry...

Yes there were. In but ONE issue of Spider-Man Team Up (#1). The settled a bet between Shinobi Shaw and Benedict Kine, the winner of whom would remain the head of the Hellfire Club. To find a picture of them, check Benedict Kine's entry on the "Marvel Unofficial Appendix".

[Nyssane]

We're supposed to see a glimpse of the new Inner Circle in the next X-Men Legacy. :)

[Mormel]

I'll answer, though it'll ruin the surprise of their entry...

Yes there were. In but ONE issue of Spider-Man Team Up (#1). The settled a bet between Shinobi Shaw and Benedict Kine, the winner of whom would remain the head of the Hellfire Club. To find a picture of them, check Benedict Kine's entry on the "Marvel Unofficial Appendix".Thank you! Though it's a little bit disappointing to find that they're kind of... pawns in the Hellfire game.

[Mormel]

We're supposed to see a glimpse of the new Inner Circle in the next X-Men Legacy. :)Nyssane, wbe was wondering if you had any D-List love for Clear-Cut in the Hellfire Club Month thread.

[Dizzy D]

As Hellfire Club-month nears its end, my entry. I base it on what I'd like to see in a Hellfire Club-series. The series would focus on the American Hellfire Club, with the London's activities being limited during the early chapters as they are still under government investigation and M.I.13 doesn't joke around. The other worldwide Hellfire Club have less importance and influence as the whole Hellfire Club-basis is pretty Anglo/American in origin.

I'll be using all the chess pieces for this one for a change, and even add a few characters who will not be a Lord or Lady Cardinal. A higher ranking is usually achieved by manipulation, attaining more power or money or for some, less subtle candidates blunt force. When rising in the hierarchy there will be no colour swapping: a Black Rook aims to become Black King one day, not White King. That said, a Black King usually gets along better with a White Bishop then a Black Bishop for the very same reason and alliances cross the colour-border often. Anyway on to our starting candidates.

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From left to right: White Rook, White Knight, White Bishop, White Queen, White King, Lord Imperial's COO, Lord Imperial, Lord Imperial's COO, Black King, Black Queen, Black Bishop, Black Knight, Black Rook

Lord Imperial: As much as I joke about it being a role that suddenly came out of nowhere, it is ideal for the story I'd like to see with the Hellfire Club. Roberto DaCosta will be the Lord Imperial, trying to do good with the considerable wealth and power of the Hellfire Club. He's added a few allies of himself to the Lords Cardinal or at least people who will not easily go into an alliance with his opponents.
Roberto is young, charismatic, has big plans and unlike other Hellfire Club members will use the media extensively. He won't follow the dress-code of the club and as the Lord Imperial, nobody can make him. He's hired two Chief Operating Officers to help him in both his business and in ruling the various Hellfire Clubs. They are:

-Manuel de la Rocha: He's been working with Roberto for some time now. His empathic abilities allow him to bypass regular psi-screens and get a good reading on people, which allows Roberto to judge the feelings of the various Lords Cardinal about his leadership. He's very professional and deliberate, and often quite annoyed by Roberto's rash decisions and more instinctual approach to decision-making and will be Roberto's voice of reason.
Roberto and Manual's relationship is professional, they are not friends yet and Roberto still doesn't quite trust him, that's why he hired:

-Xian Coy Manh: the one person in the whole Hellfire Club that Roberto completely trusts. Apart from that, he knows she's the one who Manuel couldn't manipulate would he want to: she's had to act against her feelings so often in the past (killing her brother, working for her uncle) that emotional manipulation won't stop her from doing what she thinks has to be done. She's also well-educated and Roberto knows she won't be taken in by his smile and fast-talk. Xi'an will be his conscience.

Kings and Queens: The leaders of a specific Hellfire Club branch, Kings are always male, Queens always female. They are technically equals in power and hierarchy, but historically the Kings tend to dominate. Also one King/Queen is usually dominant over the other. A King and a Queen often form an alliance as neither is a threat to usurp the other's position. These alliances are only until either one finds a more suitable ally. They are:

Black King: Sebastian Shaw has been in this position for so long, it would be hard to dislodge him. He's seen all the tricks and survived many attempts on his life. With the Sentinel-market collapsing post-M-Day, Shaw's industries has found a new source of income: smaller Sentinels, who function as bodyguards to the rich and famous, but as non-sentient machines are not bound to the SHRA. These new Sentinels are usually humanoid, but special models come in many sizes and forms (much of the furniture in Shaw's office for instance are disguised Sentinels). Shaw wants to become Lord Imperial
again, but he's taking it slowly. For now, he's willing to let DaCosta lead, because as long as he leads the Hellfire Club, the X-Men and similar groups are willing to give the Hellfire Club the benefit of doubt. With DaCosta's use of the media in his rivalry with Shaw, Shaw himself has been seeking the media more as well. He's profiled himself as a good friend of president-to-be Robert Kelly, who is now seen as "the best president we never had" by many (mostly because Kelly didn't get a chance to fail.) Shaw is also feeding the media information that he and DaCosta are good friends and that he's become a mentor to the young DaCosta. Roberto is playing along for now with that specific story. The main trust of the series would be indeed Shaw vs. DaCosta.

Without Sage to be his assistant, Shaw has hired three new assistants to help him:
- Axe: Shaw's new main enforcer. Equipped with a special axe and armour, he's there to fullfil most of Shaw's dirty work. Not the best nor the brightest, Shaw could hire; Sebastian mostly hired him because he knows it annoys Roberto to no end.
- The Kingmaker: Hired by Shaw for his many connections and ability to get things done. Shaw has offered the Kingmaker his support in becoming a Rook.
- Ms. Hoo: a psychic that has worked for Shaw before. With Emma no longer an ally, Shaw needs a telepath on his side. Ms. Hoo is the best he can get at the moment with so many mutants depowered and all remaining psychics being on the other side. (Was it ever established she was a mutant? Blog? Nysanne? Any other Masters of the Obscure? If not, then I'd like to see her having a different origin.)

White King: Thomas Halloway: A good character which hasn't been used enough. He's very, very old by now and many of the other Hellfire Club members don't think he'll be around for much longer. He's still very tough and clever though and over the years he's built up quite a fortune and connections. DaCosta offered him the position of White King, because he knew thatt Halloway's extremely-tough-on-crime stance would make him a very unlikely ally for Shaw. Halloway has indeed expressed nothing but contempt for Shaw and his "death-machines". Though Halloway claims that he no longer has anything to do with his former organisation, he has surrounded himself with many well-trained bodyguards whose origins are unknown.

Black Queen: Benazir Kaur. (This is one of a couple of positions that I considered more candidates for: Selene's can-do-anything power always made for a bad fit with the Club for me. I've considered Ms. Steed as well.) Benazir is mostly a blank page though, so a lot could be done with her as a character. Her powers are interesting and her name is Pakistan/Sikh, which makes for a bit of cultural divergence in the Hellfire Club. As one of Shinobi's allies, she has now thrown in with Shaw sr., who doesn't hold any grudges towards her as she wasn't an Upstart.

White Queen: Ms. Cabbot. (Like with Benazir I've considered several persons for this position. Emma ain't returning, neither is Storm, Adrienne is dead, Sat-Yr-9 too unstable, Reeva... I know I said I would add her before, but I already have Benazir (and quite a few of Shinobi's group, so it would be overkill) and she just wouldn't add the conflict I want and Bianca ... let's not go there, shall we?) Ms. Cabbot is a new character with some interesting options. She is older than the average Queen (Selene doesn't count, she looks like a supermodel in the prime of her life) and has an air around her of respectability. (We need somebody who can call somebody a tart and put two syllables in that.) She pretends to be a very moral and wise woman, but she has her dark side and secrets too... because there was once a Mr. Cabbot.

[Dizzy D]

Bishops: Bishops can be male or female and it tends to be a relatively stable position, even with Rooks trying to get higher up in the Club hierarchy. Many Bishops make alliances with Kings of the opposite colour for obvious reasons.

Black Bishop: Martin Henry Strong: depowered by M-Day, one of the few depowered mutants that is very, very happy with it. Especially as he found that his genius wasn't part of his mutation like he always thought. Nicknamed the "Tony Stark of Flesh and Root". He's made genetically enhanced, vat-grown limbs for himself, making him a sort of biogenetic
version of a cyborg. (A bit of a nod to Pierce there, who I won't include in this club for reasons I've mentioned before).
Strong's fortune has grown a lot as most of his "patients" were suddenly "cured". Of course, he also received quite a few lawsuits that claim the cure was independent of Strong's actions. Still Strong also has another source of income these days: many governmental and private institutions are paying him truckloads of money for investigating what exactly happened on M-Day and if it can be replicated. Within the club, Strong is a bit of a wildcard. Despite having connections to the Sentinel-programs like Shaw, the two don't get along. As a former X-force enemy, Strong also doesn't get along with
Roberto. Despite their lack of support, Strong is position so far has been unchallengend.

White Bishop: Benedict Kine. Demoted from King to Bishop (another nod to Pierce: the old cyborg is having a good day for somebody not included). I always felt that Kine in his two appearances lacked that special something that makes a good King, but he does make a good Bishop IMHO. Like Benazir and Ms. Cabbot mostly a blank page that can be painted upon. He's very ambitious and wants to reattain the position of White King, but is a light-weight compared to Halloway when it comes to planning and experience and has therefore allied himself with Shaw. It's an uneasy alliance though
as Shaw fully realises that Kine will turn against him the moment he'll be White King.

Knights: A position not been used for years now. Originally the Knights in the Hellfire Club took care of the authorities when the whole point of the club was a place where the rich could break prostitution and sodomy laws. Later on they became the internal security of the club, dealing with Hellfire Club members who were just a bit too public with secrets, power coupes that didn't follow the "unwritten rules" and outsiders that were a bit too nosy. In the end the Knight became a special position, outside the normal hierarchy of the club, Rooks moving up directly became Bishops, as the Knight was no longer in the running for position of Bishop or King. The Knights now directly reported to the Lord Imperial, were no longer involved in any of the usual meetings of the Council and kept the balance and order between different branches of the Hellfire Club. When Buckman took over the American branch, he recognised that the then-Lord Imperial, Phillips, was weak and quickly
abolished the position of the Knight, thereby removing Phillips influence on Buckman's rule.
Roberto has reintroduced the function and put two very capable persons there, (also be prepared for two bad, bad injokes):

Black Knight: I resisted using Dane Whitman here, and went for the other obvious injoke choice: Kyle Richmond. He has the wealth and keeping some morally-challenged wealthy people on the straight and narrow (something he likes to do anyway), he receives some very useful information, funds and allies.

White Knight: Steven Grant, another very wealthy man with the inclination and the ability to do this kind of job. He and Kyle have divided the Lords Cardinal into two groups, they each keep one of these groups under observation. The division is based on personality and ability rather than colour (Kyle for instance watches the White Rook and the Black King) People generally hope they end up on Richmond's list.

Rooks: While the lowliest rank within the Lords Cardinal, in chess itself, the Rook is one of the strongest pieces. A Hellfire Rook has to represent this strength as it really is the hardest position in the Hellfire Club as well. After DaCosta filled up all available positions in the current Hellfire Club, he declared that, apart from the Knights, Inner Circle members who wanted to join the Lords Cardinal would have to start out as a Rook, and there can be only one Rook of each colour at a time. As a result, most Rooks have to spent a lot of time defending their position against many ambitious Lord Cardinal wannabe's that there own ascension towards Bishop is hampered. In return, the Rooks now tend to be really the most ambitious and trickiest people around.

White Rook: Cordelia Frost: She inherited part of Adrienne's fortune and once he returned to power, Sebastian Shaw saw Cordelia as a worthy successor to Emma's throne. Lacking Emma's expertise at manipulation and patience however, Shaw saw it wiser that Cordelia started out from Rook-position and proved herself. He has offered her some support at times,
mostly when she was outnumbered and Bishop and Inner Circle conspired against her. Over time, Cordelia has found that she's rather good at this game and has grown very ambitious and confident.

Black Rooks: Shinobi Shaw. Remember what I said about Sebastian hiring Axe to annoy Roberto? This is Roberto's revenge. After he went into hiding from his back-from-the-dead father, Shinobi started to build up his own company. The lethargy that came over him when he was Black King vanished, now he had a goal again and a true enemy again. In short time
Shinobi has won a fortune. Roberto has put Shinobi in the position of Black Rook and has given him some support from time to time. He doesn't trust Shinobi though, but he sees him as the lesser evil compared to Shaw sr. In return, Shaw sr. is actively helping the Kingmaker to make a bit for the Black Rook-position. Unlike his dad, Shinobi is kinder towards his allies, and almost
sees them as friends. He'll still sacrifice them if it benefits him though. He has a few allies like Mind-meld left over from his days as Black King.

Pawns: The faceless soldiers of the Club. Their costumes and masks now marked with a black/white motive, About half the pawns of the Club completely obey the White King and Queen, the other half the Black King and Queen. Bishops and Rooks can give orders to the Pawns of their colour, but only as long as they don't contradict any standing orders from higher up in the hierarchy. (Though of course a bit of bribing and threatening and blackmailing goes a long way in getting ANY pawn to do what you want them to do.)

There is a small group of pawns that obey only the Knights though and they function and through them only the Lord Imperial. Generally this last group of pawns are the better trained and disciplined ones. Pawns are privy to
many secrets of the Hellfire Club, but know they'll never be a Lord Cardinal or an Inner Circle member, they will always be hired hands. Well-paid hired hands, but hired-hands nonetheless.

Inner Circle: Any Hellfire Club-member interested in more than just the parties and fundraisers. They may have some vague idea of what's going in the Lords Cardinal, but for any real details, they would have to become a Rook.

Various people who would show up sooner or later: Angel, both Martinique Jason and Regan Wyngarde, Hellion, Reeva Payge, Ms. Steed and many others.

[Siddon]

Y'know what was the one thing that I hated about Claremont's run, he never brought Count Nefaria back. Here is a character who was at one point the top X-men villian. Nefaria was the big bad for the X-men during the early years and he kills Thunderbird and then completely disapeares. If I had my wish I would bring Count Nefaria back as the black king of the Hell Fire club.

And because Nefaria isn't really enough for some more whoa I would I bring in Dracula as the Black Bishop. Dracula is always one of those characters who is great in small doses and I would love to see Dracula and Nefaria go to battle with the X-men. For the Black Queen, Selene is someone who I could see return, and I would consider her to be the only original member who could and would be alligned with the rest of the team I would assemble. For the Black Knight, Vargas who was interesting conceptually but not really the type of character who Claremont flushed out.

As for the White(s) I could see Maddie Pryor come back to life. She came back to life in the pages of Cable and X-man but she never came back to the X-men, I'd love to see more of the Goblin Queen and she what she could do. The White Knight and White Bishop I would like to see Whirlwind whose a mutant and never really fought the X-men and Baron Mordo who could use a comeback. As for the White King, The Living Monolith was always an interesting character to me and he's always been peppered in the background, but he in my eyes he is due for a comeback.

Obviously this is a pretty stacked Hellfire club and for a good reason. I think this is the type of team that could take on all the mutants in the Marvel universe. These arn't really the type of people who have ties to mutants or mutant causes but they have crossed paths with them or could profit from there destruction.

[jarrod]

But who's the new White Warrior Princess?!

[RafiShai]

This thread isn't a poll! How am I suppose to react to it, after the pollgasm that swept the nation yesterday?!

[wonderland]

Black King - Sebastian Shaw
Black Queen - Selene
Black Bishop - Cletus Kasady / Carnage (imagining the fun he'd have)
Black Rook - Wither

White King - Roberto Decosta / Sunspot
White Queen - Sat-Yr-9
White Bishop - Magma
White Rook - Hellion

Red King - Warren Worthington / Arch-Angel
Red Queen - Elizabeth Braddock / Psylocke
Red Bishop - Remy Lebeau / Gambit
Red Rook - The Cuckoos (If Prodigy's mind made them go Mmmm- imagine what Gambit's would do for them :smile: )

[Psycwave]

This thread isn't a poll! How am I suppose to react to it, after the pollgasm that swept the nation yesterday?!

Yes rafi is right no poll threads are so 2007....but then again this thread was started in "05" i don't remeber what tha was the year of....

[Psycwave]

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[Psycwave]

But who's the new White Warrior Princess?!

This is a very important issue that musn't be forgotten......shall it remain Viper or someone new

[RafiShai]

This is a very important issue that musn't be forgotten......shall it remain Viper or someone new

Isn't that Xena?

...What?! I liked that show.

[Sentinel K]

I totally agree with this line-up. The best there could be. I like the fact you wanna bring Vargas and Amanda to the club and even more the fact of Ms. Steed in her role as Damask, she was great and bizarre in AoA 1. So I agree on the line-up and the idea.

Great thread Blackcat..............!

ROFL.

Ah memories.

[jarrod]

This is a very important issue that musn't be forgotten......shall it remain Viper or someone new
I vote BLING!

[La Fea]

Great thread, Blackcat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!