Could Spider-Woman Be a Successful Movie?

[Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!]

There is a reason why I said success instead of good. There are many ghood movies that aren't successful at the box office. Myquestion is whether Jessica Jones could make it on the big screen without riding on the coat tails of her namsake. I think so. And here is why.
The biggest danger in having a movie called "Spider-Woman" out is the idea that the viewing public will just scoff and overlook,thinking thatthis is just a rip-off charachter and the studio is just trying to make money. I think that the characters are in reality so different that any competant studio should be able to distance the characters relativly easy. There personalities are different,their origins are different,there powers are only slightly simalar,she has an original costume,there is something of a growing fanbase for spider-woman,...these are good signs. In her first movie,you could have her being an agent of Hydra,choosing to do right instead of wrong,and eventually have nick fury(assuming that movie has already been made)guest star at the end and ask her if she is looking for a job.That way you have a character who is a government spy and her adventures would be completly different from peter's. So,what do you think? Debate amongst yourselves.

[RocketBoy]

At this point, I don't think it could be. Just like I don't think a Batgirl movie would be very successful. And Supergirl really bombed back in 1984 following the very successful Superman series. The public at large has no desire for the derivitive characters.

[StoneGold]

At this point, I don't think it could be. Just like I don't think a Batgirl movie would be very successful. And Supergirl really bombed back in 1984 following the very successful Superman series. The public at large has no desire for the derivitive characters.
What he said. And to further that point, Steel and Electra.

[Shellhead]

And Spider-Woman is definitely a derivative character, like She-Hulk, Superboy, and Batgirl. Different origin and even different costume aren't enough, when you make the name so similar, the public will always see it as a derivative character. Because it is.

[StoneGold]

Closest you are ever going to get.

http://www.iconographics.net/Images/Standard_2/KissoftheSpiderWoman-2001.JPG

[Cayman]

A documentary about penguins has made 60 million, I don't think you can always predict what'll be a hit and what won't.

Cay

[Shellhead]

A documentary about penguins has made 60 million, I don't think you can always predict what'll be a hit and what won't.

Cay

The movie-going public probably is more interested in penguins than derivative comic book characters.

[Joseph Sun]

There is a reason why I said success instead of good. There are many ghood movies that aren't successful at the box office. Myquestion is whether Jessica Jones could make it on the big screen without riding on the coat tails of her namsake. I think so. And here is why.
The biggest danger in having a movie called "Spider-Woman" out is the idea that the viewing public will just scoff and overlook,thinking thatthis is just a rip-off charachter and the studio is just trying to make money. I think that the characters are in reality so different that any competant studio should be able to distance the characters relativly easy. There personalities are different,their origins are different,there powers are only slightly simalar,she has an original costume,there is something of a growing fanbase for spider-woman,...these are good signs. In her first movie,you could have her being an agent of Hydra,choosing to do right instead of wrong,and eventually have nick fury(assuming that movie has already been made)guest star at the end and ask her if she is looking for a job.That way you have a character who is a government spy and her adventures would be completly different from peter's. So,what do you think? Debate amongst yourselves.

Its impossible for a Spider-Woman movie not to ride off the coat tails off Spider-Man simply because just naming it Spider-Woman thats what its trying to do. She probably couldnt even hold her own series. Spider-Girl probably only does because Marvel lowered the sales standard for it.

[tricksterpup]

The movie-going public probably is more interested in penguins than derivative comic book characters.
Seriously it was a very good movie to take the kids and whole family to. Not something geared for late teens and twenty something.

But I agree, I would not want to see a Spider-woman movie, I do not think it would go over well. Plus someone in hollywood would twist it to the point where she would be a combination of all Mavel's Spiderwomen and then everyone would bitch and moan about it afterwards, even if it was a decent movie.

[Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!]

As far as her being able to support her own series...I categorically disagree. As I recall,just a few months ago,people were puzzeled by the idea of not only having spider-man and spider-woman on the same team,they were surprised she was a pick at all. She's not what you call a money maker. 7-8 months later,she is starting to become a favorite member of the team. That is the perfect launchpad for her to have her own series,which she will by the end of the year(I think).

[Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!]

Also,Jsun,are you saying that the creaters of spider-man were just trying to duplicate what they had with spider-man when they created her? If so,I have questions:
#1: Who exactly created her?
#1: Doesn't the difference between the characters overall make-up disprove any duplication,other than in name?

[Joseph Sun]

Also,Jsun,are you saying that the creaters of spider-man were just trying to duplicate what they had with spider-man when they created her? If so,I have questions:
#1: Who exactly created her?
#1: Doesn't the difference between the characters overall make-up disprove any duplication,other than in name?

1: I really dont know.

2: I guess not.

But can you really tell me if Spider-Woman would exist if the character Spider-Man didnt already exist?

[Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!]

I'm only willing to slightly grant that. Just because it was a bit of a fad to put a scary word befor "man' or 'woman' back in thoses days,so it might have happened eventually.

[Siddon]

Depends if say they get Julia Roberts to play her and the movie is directed by James Cameron

then yes it will be successful

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Also,Jsun,are you saying that the creaters of spider-man were just trying to duplicate what they had with spider-man when they created her? If so,I have questions:
#1: Who exactly created her?
#1: Doesn't the difference between the characters overall make-up disprove any duplication,other than in name?


Archie Goodwin and Sal Buscema created her;

http://www.tomburgos.com/JESSICAyes.gif

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/jessica_drew.html

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Spider_Woman_I

[Bearpod91]

Sounds corny and will probably be sounding stupid to people who arent fans. I myself would like to see one but I dont think it will happen any time soon.

[Jake V]

While yes, a movie bearing the name "Spider-Woman" might seem odd and off-putting to the average movie-goer, I think a movie dealing with the character Jessica Drew could be a pretty big hit if they focused on her espionage background. Sorta like Alias (the tv show) with superpowers. People eat that stuff up.

Throw in some T&A, maybe some nudity and a sex scene and you've got yourself a fairly big hit.

[Biggbuttmcgruff!!!!]

Yeah,see,thats what I was thinking about,play up the esionage bit. Spidey is an urban hero;jess is a globtrotting special agent/Private investigator.

[streator]

no, it couldn't. i think most of the successful properties have been used up already, not counting a possible ultimates-type movie.

[tangentman]

I think that Spider-Woman would work better as a TV series, maybe WB, FX, or Showtime. Start with the break from Hydra, experience with Mordred, and the first fight with Morgan Le Fey as part of Season 1.

Season 2 could begin with Jessica breaking away from Jerry Hunt and Magnus, coming into the bounty hunter gig. End with Jessica agreeing to move with Lindsay McCabe to San Francisco and end the finale with the beginning of that trip north.

So on...go with a blend of gothic horror and espionage/detective stories. Jessica handles the weird cases that baffle the authorities and "mainstream" crimefighters. Keep an adult sense of humor and complexity in the stories, while building Jessica as a character in journey of her place in the world.

[Kirk G]

Archie Goodwin and Sal Buscema created her;



http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/jessica_drew.html

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Spider_Woman_I
But WHY did they create her, I think is the key question.... Just to cover their bases, as Stan Lee did when he wrested Captain Marvel away from DC... to protect the copyright or the ability of another competing company to have access to a similar sounding property??? :rolleyes:

[Indigo Al]

I think that Spider-Woman would work better as a TV series, maybe WB, FX, or Showtime. Start with the break from Hydra, experience with Mordred, and the first fight with Morgan Le Fey as part of Season 1.

Season 2 could begin with Jessica breaking away from Jerry Hunt and Magnus, coming into the bounty hunter gig. End with Jessica agreeing to move with Lindsay McCabe to San Francisco and end the finale with the beginning of that trip north.

So on...go with a blend of gothic horror and espionage/detective stories. Jessica handles the weird cases that baffle the authorities and "mainstream" crimefighters. Keep an adult sense of humor and complexity in the stories, while building Jessica as a character in journey of her place in the world.

Love it - but I would say make it animated. (And NOT like the ABC cartoon!!!!!!!!). And also add a lot more of the alienation from humanity she felt in her first years - have her be conflicted on whether she's more monster or woman.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Excellent.
And I would love also for it to be animated...



I think that Spider-Woman would work better as a TV series, maybe WB, FX, or Showtime. Start with the break from Hydra, experience with Mordred, and the first fight with Morgan Le Fey as part of Season 1.

Season 2 could begin with Jessica breaking away from Jerry Hunt and Magnus, coming into the bounty hunter gig. End with Jessica agreeing to move with Lindsay McCabe to San Francisco and end the finale with the beginning of that trip north.

So on...go with a blend of gothic horror and espionage/detective stories. Jessica handles the weird cases that baffle the authorities and "mainstream" crimefighters. Keep an adult sense of humor and complexity in the stories, while building Jessica as a character in journey of her place in the world.

[Harold of the Rocks]

I apologize for not reading a single post here yet, not my normal style... but I just had to chime in immediately to the question at hand...

If Jennifer Connelly is Spider-Woman, I will pay. Even if it is a two hour episode of her mastering knitting.

;)

[Jerry W. Loper]

A lot of posters on this thread seem to agree that Spider-Woman's too derivative for a movie to succeed, meaning she's obviously a Spider-Man spinoff. Let's assume that leaves out other spinoffs like She-Hulk. OK, that being the case, can you think of any Marvel superheroines who a successful movie COULD be made about?

[Shellhead]

A lot of posters on this thread seem to agree that Spider-Woman's too derivative for a movie to succeed, meaning she's obviously a Spider-Man spinoff. Let's assume that leaves out other spinoffs like She-Hulk. OK, that being the case, can you think of any Marvel superheroines who a successful movie COULD be made about?

Maybe Black Widow or Jessica Jones.

[tricksterpup]

Maybe Black Widow or Jessica Jones.
Actually I think the best female Marvel Character that could be made into a movie is Dakota North.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/21015933354.1.GIF

[Tobias March]

Black Widow's a good idea. She's already featured in that horrible David Hasselhoff Nick Fury flick though, so she may be bound up with copyright.

Good female superheroine....you got me. I can't think of a one.

Jennifer Jones maybe, but that might well be a disaster.

[marvelboi77]

Black Widow's script is already being written and it will be Rated R, that way it's not to kiddy like Elektra.

[Morbidious]

Well hey, look at "Spider-babe" ! I mean....... !!!!!!?!!!

[brian2322]

Well hey, look at "Spider-babe" ! I mean....... !!!!!!?!!!
yeah really

[Tobias March]

Black Widow's script is already being written and it will be Rated R, that way it's not to kiddy like Elektra.


....only to be gutted in the editing room.

Can you honestly see Arad releasing an R-rated Marvel pic?

[Jake V]

....only to be gutted in the editing room.

Can you honestly see Arad releasing an R-rated Marvel pic?
Uh, the 3 Blade movies?

[Tobias March]

Uh, the 3 Blade movies?


Were they R-Rated? Didn't know that. Also did Arad have so much control over them? I don't recall a Marvel Enterprises logo at the beginning (didn't see the third).

I was under the impression that they were New Line properties, hook, line and sinker. Sure Marvel didn't even have a film division when Blade took off.

[Jake V]

Were they R-Rated? Didn't know that. Also did Arad have so much control over them? I don't recall a Marvel Enterprises logo at the beginning (didn't see the third).

I was under the impression that they were New Line properties, hook, line and sinker. Sure Marvel didn't even have a film division when Blade took off.
Arad was executive producer on all 3. They were all R-rated. The first 2 came out before they had a completed Marvel logo, so they went without one (as did the first X-Men movie) but the third one had the logo.

Blade is a relatively low-priority character as far as Marvel Publishing is concerned, they can't seem to make a decent Blade series.

Black Widow is also a fairly low-priority character. She's had MAX and MK miniseries, so she might be cut out for an R-rated movie. She's not exactly kid-friendly to begin with.

[Tobias March]

Well here's hoping we get an interesting espionage thriller out of it. The Bourne Identity meets Nikita or thereabouts.

[Paradox]

**shrugs** Spider-Woman might be a hit and it might not. You never know. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I found out "Blade" was a hit.

There's a whole lot of "it depends" involved, here.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

When it comes to films,I think anything can be a hit, but not everything does...
How many times have we had films that make us go WHAT THE F***? when we see their grosses?
There's no absolutes really, so you never know...
I honestly thought that Sin City would be a much, much bigger moneymaker than what it was, and I was positive that Dukes Of Hazzard would flop miserably....

As for Supergirl flopping...I think it was a really bad film that was badly marketed...
Knowing Spider-Woman and Spider-Man, they are two characters as different as can be, and there's no way a SW film could be marketed like his, as a shiny, colorful, sunny superhero film...if anything it should be dark, violent, and heavily infused with tragedy and pathos, but still making Jessica the never-say-die, kickass character she's always been. A character that no matter what gets thrown at her, always lands on her feet.
But I would rather have Jessica star in her own animated show, with todays technology and animation tricks, i think it would be so cool.
And I would love to see bizarre villains like Briothers Grimm, Gypsy Moth, nekra and even Daddy Longlegs in animated form...