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Beta Ray Bill
09-06-2005, 10:42 PM
Also in DC news: A new "The Atom" ongoing series has been officially greenlit internally at DC, as well as a mini-series for "The Freedom Fighters."
Now this is something I can get behind. Seems odd though considering how many times Dan DiDio was asked about just such a project by the fans and was adamant that after the events of Identity Crisis Ray Palmer would be MIA indefinitely. Rich Johnston did give it the green light though. I guess I'll just cross my fingers...
Rich L
09-06-2005, 11:58 PM
What makes you so sure it'll be starring Ray Palmer? ;)
hondobrode
09-07-2005, 05:01 PM
True.
Maybe they will be changing something fundatmental about it too.
I have always thought it would be extremely tough to write that character. At a molecular level he could do almost anything or travel anywhere.
I'm definitely interested to see what develops. I've always liked the character.
Babylon23
09-07-2005, 09:03 PM
I hope this is a Ray Palmer series. I'm a big fan, and would love to see him back in his own book.
Hellpop
09-11-2005, 06:17 PM
I really don't see how they can do a new series with Ray Palmer, as Idetity Crisis, in my mind at least, essentially ruined the character. Maybe they'll bring back Sword of the Atom!
Viking Bastard
09-11-2005, 06:52 PM
They ruined the character by making his ex-wife nutso?
Joe Rice
09-11-2005, 07:07 PM
Let's get some racial diversity into the DCU!
Patience
09-11-2005, 07:38 PM
Let's get some racial diversity into the DCU!
It's funny, I support doing that not for civil rights or equality, but simply so we can tell the characters apart out of costume!
Imagine Wonder Girl, Stargirl, Supergirl, and Speedy in civvies at the mall. Who's who?
Bat-Mite
09-11-2005, 08:24 PM
What makes you so sure it'll be starring Ray Palmer?
I hope they don't bring back the golden age midget in some stupid Golden Age Midget REBORN! story that only exists to explain a bunch of continuity nonsense nobody cared about.
Hellpop
09-11-2005, 09:07 PM
Yes, I think they ruined the character by making his ex- wife nutso. That will always hang over the character, there's no way to separate him from that, certainly not now that she's Eclipso.
Plus, she didn't just go nuts; she murdered a friend of theirs and attempted to cover it up by murdering several more. Boy, do I dislike Identity Crisis!
Suzanne
09-11-2005, 09:33 PM
Yeah, but none of that was Ray's fault. The actions of his looney ex are hers alone don't reflect on him. I can see him rising above that. Afterall, obstacles are nothing new for superheroes, and IDC's aftermath happens to be Ray's.
Justin D.
09-11-2005, 11:18 PM
It's funny, I support doing that not for civil rights or equality, but simply so we can tell the characters apart out of costume!
Imagine Wonder Girl, Stargirl, Supergirl, and Speedy in civvies at the mall. Who's who?
The only ones I think I might have a problem telling apart might be Speedy and Stargirl as their builds are similar. However, Stargirl is usually drawn with a longer face while Speedy's is more roundish.
Why, yes, I am a geek.
Count me in as a big fan of the Atom.
As I always say when I post in an Atom thread, it was a real shame to see the end of Roger Stern's Power of the Atom series.
Any word on the creative team for this go-round?
yenaled
09-12-2005, 06:03 AM
I'll support a Ray Palmer book.
MWGallaher
09-12-2005, 06:27 AM
The original dictate for Identity Crisis was that Meltzer was to kill a certain character, clearing the way for a new character to take on the trademark. He's said he balked at that, because he liked whatever character he was told to kill, and later came back with IC, which, he has said, featured Jean as the killer from the start. That suggests to me that he was instructed to kill the Atom, and instead came up with a plot that would justify the Atom heading off into the sunset ("electronset"?) without actually dying, himself.
So I'm betting the upcoming Atom will be a new character, not Ray.
So I'm betting the upcoming Atom will be a new character, not Ray.
I would be very disappointed if it wasn't Ray but ... I wouldn't write the book off just because of that, if it had an interesting creative team.
I'd certainly give it a chance.
If it isn't Ray, surely they are missing out on a great opportunity to explore how Ray comes to terms with Jean's madness. And imagine the first team-up between Ray and Ralph?
Jolly Mon
09-12-2005, 09:24 AM
If it isn't Ray, surely they are missing out on a great opportunity to explore how Ray comes to terms with Jean's madness.
That's why I think IC didn't "ruin" the character, I think it could add some depth. Just like the jungle-time in Sword of the Atom could be referenced to flesh him out some more. Think about it, the mild mannered scientist who shrinks, gets mad and carves the bad guy up with a sword. :D
matewan1990
09-12-2005, 09:59 AM
Well, so far, they've not introduced us to a new Atom and no one has been introduced that would take his place, so I'd say Ray Palmer will be the new Atom.
I think the biggest problem with The Atom is that no writer seems to know what to do with him that would make his adventures sellable. He's tiny. He can grow even tinier. He's been the partner of anyone who will let him ride on their shoulder. Yeah, sure, Sword of the Atom was decent and Power of the Atom was okay, but, in the end, Atom is basically the guy who rides around on Hawkman's shoulder and travels through the phone lines. Does he really do much else? Who cares if he's a great scientific genius. STAR Labs has a lot of those, but they don't get their own books.
Like the Atom, Hawkman is a good example of a company really not knowing what it wants to do with a character...
When Geoff Johns was on the book, the stories were dark and eerie, the way Hawkman should be. But, along comes Palmiotti and Gray and the book goes back to being another super-hero book. There's nothing special about it and despite the current "Hot" status of Hawkman 41, does anyone really believe Hawkman will remain dead? They brought him back just to kill him off again?
The Atom will return in his own series and it might be a new take on the mighty mite, but I'm afraid of what we'll get and it will end up being another stinker.
DC might put a good writer on the Atom and a good artist, but it will only last so long, then, after 40 or so issues, the character will be another supporting character in JLA without a series of his own.
My prediction for a new Blue Beetle: Booster Gold will take up the mantle of BB and take his good buddy Ted Kord's place.
MWGallaher
09-12-2005, 10:38 AM
In my perfect world, The Atom would be a science fiction book, not a superhero book. The character is not well-suited for battling bad guys in colorful costumes...and besides, do we really need another one of those, anyway? Let him travel to strange subatomic worlds, investigate phenomena on the fringes of physics, explore the tiny extra dimensions implied by the superstring theory, travel through time...that kind of thing.
Let's get some racial diversity into the DCU!
Don't worry. Morrison's working on it.
Hellpop
09-12-2005, 02:33 PM
In my perfect world, The Atom would be a science fiction book, not a superhero book. The character is not well-suited for battling bad guys in colorful costumes...and besides, do we really need another one of those, anyway? Let him travel to strange subatomic worlds, investigate phenomena on the fringes of physics, explore the tiny extra dimensions implied by the superstring theory, travel through time...that kind of thing.
That is a very good idea. Plus, as I said, I think that IC will always be hanging over his head. That limits a character's depth. But there's no way they'll do this without tying it in to IC, sadly.
artemisboy
09-12-2005, 03:09 PM
"Wonder Woman" is confirmed for a restart from issue 1, with "The OC"/"Young Avengers" writer Allan Heinberg writing and Terry Dodson on art.
And as for on "All Star Wonder Woman," Adam Hughes is already two issues into his run written by Geoff Johns.
- Peter
GabrielleWP
09-12-2005, 03:41 PM
Lemme get this strait, since its been a long day and I'm kinda fuzzy atm in the comprehension department... WW is going to restart (ala 87 Perez reboot, restart? ) from issue 1. Does this mean Hippolyta is coming back? What about Donna / WW Byrnethos?
Personally I'd love to see a restart since its gotten all muddy in the last few years. Its reading a bit more like Xena now with Ares being hot, Aphrodite in pink shiffon and Cassie looking like Gabrielle. While I like that series, this is WW and should be unique.
Wonder what issue they'll end it with..
Give more details if you get em!
GWP
"Confirmed?" "News?"
Unless DC just released a press statement about this, it's all LITG rumor. Don't confuse it for actual news
artemisboy
09-12-2005, 03:43 PM
Was released in Lying In The Gutters.
- Peter
Was released in Lying In The Gutters.
- Peter
Which is a rumor article. Not actual news. I'll admit that Rich is right many times, but don't get your hopes up until you actually hear it from DC.
Joe Rice
09-12-2005, 03:52 PM
Don't worry. Morrison's working on it.
I want Morrison to make a nonwhite Atom.
Now.
I want Morrison to make a nonwhite Atom.
Now.
If Atom is one of the revamps that Morrison is sheperding in 2006, I could definately see a new Atom being a different ethnicity. He keeps saying that is one of the things he's conscious of when he comes up with these revamps. And that's awesome!
Patience
09-12-2005, 04:17 PM
Hopes? That news just made me want to throw up. I want Hippolyta back as much as anyone else, but why would anybody want to move Rucka from this title?
The Joker
09-12-2005, 04:20 PM
"All Star Wonder Woman," Adam Hughes is already two issues into his run written by Geoff Johns.
Adam Hughes? Geoff Johns?
Consider me very much interested in "All Star Wonder Woman".
As for Wonder Woman getting a restart at #1 again. Meh, not really as excited. Although I will hope for the best, Rucka will be sorely missed on WW.
SUPERECWFAN1
09-12-2005, 04:40 PM
Hopes? That news just made me want to throw up. I want Hippolyta back as much as anyone else, but why would anybody want to move Rucka from this title?
Damn straight! Why remove a guy who cleary is clicking on a series to bring in a " Hot Writer " at the moment ? Its just ridiculas thinking to do it when a creator is cleary nailing what makes Wonder Woman tick.
All-Star Wonder Woman sounds good. Now I'm sure Geoff Johns will be writing all the DC Books by 2007. The guy is everywhere...
Interesting.
Heinberg's a good old-school style writer with mad geek skillz (he used the GROWING MAN, people!)
I'd have picked Simone, or Vaughn, but this should be worth a look.
The Shadow
09-12-2005, 04:50 PM
Hopes? That news just made me want to throw up. I want Hippolyta back as much as anyone else, but why would anybody want to move Rucka from this title?
Agree too
It's a great read as is... the only reason for a new #1 is to boost sales.
Michael P
09-12-2005, 04:56 PM
Lemme get this strait, since its been a long day and I'm kinda fuzzy atm in the comprehension department... WW is going to restart (ala 87 Perez reboot, restart? ) from issue 1. Does this mean Hippolyta is coming back? What about Donna / WW Byrnethos?
Restart, probably not reboot.
Shem the Penman
09-12-2005, 05:03 PM
Hughes and Dodson, huh? I guess we can look forward to Frank Cho and Jim Balent doing fill-ins...
Joe Rice
09-12-2005, 05:11 PM
I just hope they get a decent writer to run with his idea. The only problem with Morrison being the idea man at DC is that there are so few who can actually do his stuff justice.
But YAY for less crackers! I hate whitey!
Damn straight! Why remove a guy who cleary is clicking on a series to bring in a " Hot Writer " at the moment ? Its just ridiculas thinking to do it when a creator is cleary nailing what makes Wonder Woman tick.
All-Star Wonder Woman sounds good. Now I'm sure Geoff Johns will be writing all the DC Books by 2007. The guy is everywhere...
OK, either everyone, including Rucka is wrong about her, or I am. And the law of averages means I'll concede that it's me.
Thusly, I have no clue what WW is supposed to be like at her core, so somebody give me a synopsis/analysis?
jerrymcl89
09-12-2005, 06:08 PM
It seems a little weird to me to put Geoff Johns on one of the All-Star books, given that his major role in the DCU is maintaining continuity. And it's not like he's been under-employed of late, either.
Joe Rice
09-12-2005, 06:16 PM
If this is true, the artistic choices are a bit weird. I guess they've given up on trying to sell Wonder Woman to women.
Bat-Mite
09-12-2005, 06:20 PM
I want the new Atom to be an albino lesbian chinese woman in a wheelchair.
Samurai
09-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Ray Palmer getting his own series again would be nice.
As would Atom Smasher becoming the new Atom and making his way back to redemption...
The Joker
09-12-2005, 06:36 PM
It seems a little weird to me to put Geoff Johns on one of the All-Star books, given that his major role in the DCU is maintaining continuity. And it's not like he's been under-employed of late, either.
Johns seems to be the Bendis of the DCU right now. ;)
Captain Jim
09-12-2005, 07:35 PM
First, just a general announcement: PLEASE people, anytime you start a thread giving "new information" like this, give your source (and preferably a link). This is indeed from LITG, but that should have been mentioned immediately in the original post.
As to why anyone would want to replace Rucka, well, whether you like his stuff or not, I still don't think it's selling very well (aside from IC tie-ins). And DC doubtless would like to see better from one of their "big three." Besides, how do you know Rucka doesn't want to give it up following IC?
Captain Jim
09-12-2005, 07:47 PM
The original dictate for Identity Crisis was that Meltzer was to kill a certain character, clearing the way for a new character to take on the trademark. He's said he balked at that, because he liked whatever character he was told to kill, and later came back with IC, which, he has said, featured Jean as the killer from the start. That suggests to me that he was instructed to kill the Atom, and instead came up with a plot that would justify the Atom heading off into the sunset ("electronset"?) without actually dying, himself.
So I'm betting the upcoming Atom will be a new character, not Ray.
I think you're confused here. I read that article too, but there was nothing about "clearing the way for a new character to take on the trademark." On the basis of the evidence I've seen, I'm certain in my own mind that the character DC wanted killed was Jack Drake.
Captain Jim
09-12-2005, 07:48 PM
I think the biggest problem with The Atom is that no writer seems to know what to do with him that would make his adventures sellable. He's tiny. He can grow even tinier. He's been the partner of anyone who will let him ride on their shoulder. Yeah, sure, Sword of the Atom was decent and Power of the Atom was okay, but, in the end, Atom is basically the guy who rides around on Hawkman's shoulder and travels through the phone lines. Does he really do much else? Who cares if he's a great scientific genius. STAR Labs has a lot of those, but they don't get their own books.
I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Captain Jim
09-12-2005, 07:50 PM
Btw, I think there's 0% liklihood that they'll bring back the GA Atom. And I *don't* think IC ruined Ray Palmer's character.
I don't know. I think a talented writer could make an Atom series into a great book.
Captain Jim
09-12-2005, 08:01 PM
I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just that it hasn't to date.
The Shadow
09-12-2005, 09:50 PM
Hughes and Dodson, huh? I guess we can look forward to Frank Cho and Jim Balent doing fill-ins...
I'd be OK with any of them!
Hughes kicked ass on Ghost. It was one of my favorite 90's series'
prismablue
09-12-2005, 09:58 PM
I've read that Adam was working on a Mister Miracle series a couple of years ago, that didn't pan out. I hope his is not just another hughes letdown, he truly is one of the great wasted talents of his generation.
Think about it, he hasn't done enough work on anything to fill a tpb since justice league.
Ryan de Joya
09-12-2005, 10:07 PM
From LITG 9/12
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
Wow, Mark Waid and George Perez on The Brave and The Bold! Hope it pushes through.
Apathy Boy
09-12-2005, 11:04 PM
That's quite the creative team. I'd definitely pick it up (unlike the Rucka run, which I'm only getting sporadically. Ye gods, I hate the way Rags draws Diana).
I'm actually hoping for a BIRTHRIGHT-style soft-reboot. The Perez version of the character was great for its time, but the "classic" elements of the Wonder Woman mythos have been absent for too long. Bring back the secret identity!
As to why anyone would want to replace Rucka, well, whether you like his stuff or not, I still don't think it's selling very well (aside from IC tie-ins). And DC doubtless would like to see better from one of their "big three." Besides, how do you know Rucka doesn't want to give it up following IC?Yeah, by the time INFINITE CRISIS finishes, Rucka will have been on Wonder Woman for three years. I can see him wanting to move on to other things.
monkeyjunkie
09-12-2005, 11:10 PM
I wouldnt be surprised to see this reboot/renumber means that we're gonna see someone else being wonder woman, specifically donna troy. I mean seriously she is the one of DC's big three where a change of who is in the costume could stick and they've been dropping hints that someones gonna die and be replaced.
Beta Ray Bill
09-12-2005, 11:39 PM
At Chicago, creators were still pitching to take on the Aquaman title -- no decision had been made.I hope it doesn't get canceled...
Rich L
09-12-2005, 11:42 PM
Bring back the secret identity!
They probably will.
And like monkeyjunkie said, that secret identity will probably be 'Donna Troy'.
I assume Rucka wants to move on; I think that Heinberg/Dodson are a great team for the book!
Beta Ray Bill
09-13-2005, 12:06 AM
I don't know. I think a talented writer could make an Atom series into a great book.Well, a talented writer could make any series into a great book. Put Geoff Johns or the aforementioned Grant Morrison on a Justice League of Antarctica ongoing and watch it shoot up into the top 10...
First off, I don't think it is impossible to make the Atom work as a super-hero book. Roger Stern had a good go of it in "Power of the Atom" (admittedly it was cancelled but there you go ...)
Secondly, I agree there are a lot of problems with a guy who "gets small". But I'd be excited to see someone like Grant Morrison work his magic on Ray Palmer. (Or whoever takes on the mantle).
Mulett
09-13-2005, 02:29 AM
It's been confirmed, apparently, that one repercussion of the Infinite Crisis is that Wonder Woman will (again) re-start from issue 1 after the new Crisis. What would you like to see happen in her new run in terms of:
character - should Diana give way to a different Wonder Woman?
powers - should she remain a powerhouse, or go back to more moderate, pre-Crisis power levels?
storylines - superheroics, soap opera, amazon warrior, ambassador or romance?
mohammedali
09-13-2005, 05:15 AM
Isn't there already a thread about this in the DCU page?
Mohammed Ali
Patience
09-13-2005, 06:56 AM
Okay, lurking around I found the Greg Rucka boards, and someone asked him if these WW relaunch rumors were true. His response was, unfortunately cryptic. Thought soem fo you might be interested in it.
http://www.hwforums.com/2151/messages/3688.html
It hasn't been "confirmed!" It's a Lying in the Gutters rumor. Until DC sends out a press release, it's not confirmed at all.
artemisboy
09-13-2005, 09:14 AM
Which is a rumor article. Not actual news. I'll admit that Rich is right many times, but don't get your hopes up until you actually hear it from DC.
I posted the same info on Greg Rucka's site. If something wrong is posted, Greg usually stops the false rumor dead in it's tracks. He neither confirmed or denied the post. Hence, I have a good feeling that it may be true.
He did however state that the series isn't being "rebooted" but rather "relaunched".
- Peter
artemisboy
09-13-2005, 09:25 AM
And like monkeyjunkie said, that secret identity will probably be 'Donna Troy'.
Here's the direct quote from Greg Rucka from his boards on the topic if Donna Troy will be the new Wonder Woman:
"It's Diana. It will ALWAYS be Diana. Diana IS Wonder Woman. Really, it's as simple as that. Marston created Wonder Woman, Diana, princess of the Amazons. End of story."
- Peter
protege
09-13-2005, 09:35 AM
Which is a rumor article. Not actual news. I'll admit that Rich is right many times, but don't get your hopes up until you actually hear it from DC.
Right. I STILL can't get confirmation that Gail Simone and John Byrne are leaving Action comics.
protege
09-13-2005, 09:41 AM
I wouldnt be surprised to see this reboot/renumber means that we're gonna see someone else being wonder woman, specifically donna troy. I mean seriously she is the one of DC's big three where a change of who is in the costume could stick and they've been dropping hints that someones gonna die and be replaced.
Truthfully, I like the idea, and I'd buy the book if Donna Troy was WW, but for some reason, i just can't see her in WW's classic costume. Is there some sort of mandate from the Moulton family that WW HAS to be Princess Diana/Diana Prince?
glennsim
09-13-2005, 02:00 PM
Hey - maybe Ray Palmer will get stuck at 6 inches and wear an all-blue costume and become the new Blue Beetle :)
prismablue
09-13-2005, 02:23 PM
Wasn't this a thread about Adam hughes?
DMike
09-13-2005, 03:25 PM
Truthfully, I like the idea, and I'd buy the book if Donna Troy was WW, but for some reason, i just can't see her in WW's classic costume. Is there some sort of mandate from the Moulton family that WW HAS to be Princess Diana/Diana Prince?
I think DC officially bought/settled the rights from the Moulton family some time ago, so they can do whatever they want with her now.
Wasn't this a thread about Adam hughes?
The moderators merged all the threads about LITG rumors.
Rich L
09-13-2005, 11:40 PM
Here's the direct quote from Greg Rucka from his boards on the topic if Donna Troy will be the new Wonder Woman:
"It's Diana. It will ALWAYS be Diana. Diana IS Wonder Woman. Really, it's as simple as that. Marston created Wonder Woman, Diana, princess of the Amazons. End of story."
- Peter
But then again, he's not writing the new book is he?
Eh, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Mulett
09-14-2005, 06:02 AM
Truthfully, I like the idea, and I'd buy the book if Donna Troy was WW, but for some reason, i just can't see her in WW's classic costume. Is there some sort of mandate from the Moulton family that WW HAS to be Princess Diana/Diana Prince?
I must admit I'm hoping Wonder Woman gets an updated costume as a result of the new Crisis. It might just be me, but the classic costume doesn't leave much to the imagination and seems a bit disrespectful. Can you imagine Batman or Superman running around in nothing but a fitted-T and a pair of speedos?
And I think Donna's current origin is too long-winded and complicated for her to be a new Wonder Woman. Wally West's is dead simple - it's the same as Barry Allen's.
Right. I STILL can't get confirmation that Gail Simone and John Byrne are leaving Action comics.
What? Oh no! If they leave, I'll be leaving right behind them ...
glennsim
09-14-2005, 08:33 AM
I must admit I'm hoping Wonder Woman gets an updated costume as a result of the new Crisis. It might just be me, but the classic costume doesn't leave much to the imagination and seems a bit disrespectful. Can you imagine Batman or Superman running around in nothing but a fitted-T and a pair of speedos?
Well, you can also say that Superman and Batman need updated costumes, because while Wonder Woman's costume is made up mostly of items that many women do wear, either for swimming or lingerie, there is virtually nothing about their costumes that resembles traditional clothing.
Lord Grog
09-14-2005, 08:47 AM
new Batman and Superman costumes would go over like a fart in church.
If this is true, the artistic choices are a bit weird. I guess they've given up on trying to sell Wonder Woman to women.
She never really did sell to women. That's just a comicbook urban legend. Her audience - from her inception - has always been predominately male.
Joe Rice
09-14-2005, 01:01 PM
She never really did sell to women. That's just a comicbook urban legend. Her audience - from her inception - has always been predominately male.
Guess that makes sense. Too bad, though. It'd be nice if women could give a crap about Wonder Woman.
Guess that makes sense. Too bad, though. It'd be nice if women could give a crap about Wonder Woman.
To be honest, I can understand why women don't give a crap about her. She's purely a male fantasy madonna/whore/mommy all rolled up into one tightly packed bustier. I would imagine most women would find her completely unrelatable.
Titan Slade
09-14-2005, 08:00 PM
She never really did sell to women. That's just a comicbook urban legend. Her audience - from her inception - has always been predominately male.
This describes the comic book reading demographic as a whole. 90% of comic book readers in the U.S. are males.
GabrielleWP
09-15-2005, 02:26 AM
To be honest, I can understand why women don't give a crap about her. She's purely a male fantasy madonna/whore/mommy all rolled up into one tightly packed bustier. I would imagine most women would find her completely unrelatable.
As a women I have to give this reply the once over..
Diana, Madonna she is not. Her killing is Max Lord is the polar opposite of that one. And her run during Leobs, where she kicked more ass in a few issues than in a few years on other writers.
Whore? No, unless it was a Hughes cover or Deodato drawing, she only looked it. Still a virgin , and no boyfriend or girlfriend. Which is really sad. I mean Batman and Supes get some lovin so why not Diana. You can be a strong, powerful woman and still have a man (or girl)
Mommy? No. She left the training of Cassie to Artemis, Left Vanessa fend for herself. Even though she thought Nessie was ok with it. And left Circes baby to others on PI. Mothering instinct she has not.
Shes not unrelateable as one woman to another. She's understanding and kickass. But she's not all things to all people.
She's Human bottom line and I enjoy that. And she makes some mistakes, like the ones above that we probably all would make at one point or another.
GWP
Joe Rice
09-15-2005, 04:07 AM
To be honest, I can understand why women don't give a crap about her. She's purely a male fantasy madonna/whore/mommy all rolled up into one tightly packed bustier. I would imagine most women would find her completely unrelatable.
Yeah. From her days as her creator's outlet for bondage fantasy to this rumored new artistic lineup, she's always boy a toy for boys, changing with the times to suit current needs. Now the needy fanboys has a dominating, strong woman to guide them.
With big boobs.
GabrielleWP
09-15-2005, 04:44 AM
If she were that one deminsional , then Batman has a secret NAMBLA affection for Robin, Superman is gay ( I mean what strait man wears red panties and a cape with red go go boots) All X Men are freaks and fodder for outcast pimply faced, highwater wearing preteen boys.
See how retarded those statements are?
As a female long time comic book reader I'm sick of people making broad sweaping statements about what appeals to us. (Usually its men that do this).
GWP
If she were that one deminsional , then Batman has a secret NAMBLA affection for Robin, Superman is gay ( I mean what strait man wears red panties and a cape with red go go boots) All X Men are freaks and fodder for outcast pimply faced, highwater wearing preteen boys.
See how retarded those statements are?
As a female long time comic book reader I'm sick of people making broad sweaping statements about what appeals to us. (Usually its men that do this).
Well if you had read my statements without taking them both too literally and too personally, there wouldn't be a problem.
Typo Lad
09-15-2005, 06:00 AM
She never really did sell to women. That's just a comicbook urban legend. Her audience - from her inception - has always been predominately male.
Basically, men and Gloria Steinhem.
SuperManny
09-15-2005, 11:37 AM
Well if you had read my statements without taking them both too literally and too personally, there wouldn't be a problem.
I don't think she took it personal; she's just reacting to how your opinions match most of the male comic book reading population.
That said, I think there are females out there who generalize about the male readership ;)
MicroZone
09-19-2005, 01:54 AM
Basically, men and Gloria Steinhem.
like he said then... Men. :p
I don't think she took it personal; she's just reacting to how your opinions match most of the male comic book reading population.
That said, I think there are females out there who generalize about the male readership ;)
Except I didn't generalize about the female readership. I attempted to explain why a certain character is unpopular among women readers, not explain what women readers as a whole want to read.
Two new rumored DC titles that we might see after Infinite Crisis:
Mystery in Space
Batwoman
Mystery in Space is the one that interests me. I was hoping for several books based on DC's sci-fi/space characters, but a Mystery in Space book could explore a variety of characters and settings. It's a good use of an old DC property. It would be very cool. But, like all rumors, I won't get my hopes up until DC says it's true.
Babylon23
09-26-2005, 06:40 PM
Two new rumored DC titles that we might see after Infinite Crisis:
Mystery in Space
Batwoman
Mystery in Space is the one that interests me. I was hoping for several books based on DC's sci-fi/space characters, but a Mystery in Space book could explore a variety of characters and settings. It's a good use of an old DC property. It would be very cool. But, like all rumors, I won't get my hopes up until DC says it's true.
I'd love to see a Mystery in Space book, especially if it focused on some of DC's underused space heroes. However, this may also be the title of the rumoured Adam Strange title that was mentioned some time back.
Well, an Adam Strange solo book certainly wouldn't be a bad thing (with the right creative team). I just hope it won't be the only space book to come out of this... aside from GLC.
Captain Jim
09-26-2005, 07:52 PM
Hmm. I wonder if Batwoman could be about a healed Barbara Gordon. I hope not; I like her as Oracle. Not really sure why we need a Batwoman title.
TTROY
09-27-2005, 01:00 AM
well the last time Dc had one of their characters become "diverse" fandom went nuts that Firestorm was black........
For all the talk fandom wants the illusion of change while change itself is frowned upon
Jolly Mon
09-27-2005, 07:35 AM
well the last time Dc had one of their characters become "diverse" fandom went nuts that Firestorm was black........
For all the talk fandom wants the illusion of change while change itself is frowned upon
The problem I had with the change was that I didn't care for the character after reading the first issue. Maybe it got better, I don't know.
Also, I'd rather that they create new (good) characters that happen to be whatever, rather than replacing existing ones with more "diverse" versions.
And please, no names that scream the characters background/ethnicity (ie. Black Lightning/Goliath/Vulcan/etc).
Just bumping this to catch any new LITG posts this week.
cactusmaac
10-10-2005, 01:12 PM
Goodbye Wally!
I've been predicting this ever since Bart showed up in Smallville.
I've been predicting this ever since Bart showed up in Smallville.Was Bart ever connected to the Flash name in Smallville? I thought he was just a kid from out-of-town who could run really fast.
But, Wally is much more connected to the Flash name in pop culture with the JLU toon. So, I really don't think characters in other media have much effect on comics (although there have been many notable exceptions).
Also, I don't completely buy this rumor.
Viking Bastard
10-10-2005, 02:21 PM
God I hope not.
Still, Wally has had a pretty good run out of him. It's remarkable how low the crap level
has been on the Wally West Flash title when compared to the other Big Seven.
Kid Kamikaze10
10-10-2005, 02:29 PM
Lying in the gutters has just stated that Bart Allen will be the Flash after the Crisis.
Wally West RIP :evilangry
Alan2099
10-10-2005, 02:39 PM
So right now, we stand as Bart being Flash and Dick being Batman.
ANybody taking over for Wonder Woman or Superman?
moebius
10-10-2005, 02:42 PM
Donna Troy and....I'm out. Conner?
LoneWolf21
10-10-2005, 02:42 PM
Well another one of the rumors floating around (along with the aforementioned Bart as Flash and Dick as Batman) is Donna taking over the Wonder Woman role....
CaptMagellan
10-10-2005, 02:47 PM
And Rich put a green light on the rumor.
Of course, there's always the possibility that this will be like a year (or however) long publicity stunt with Wally returning at the end and Bart becoming Impulse again.
Either way, if this rumor is in any way true, I'm most displeased with this choice.
Vegetarian Goat
10-10-2005, 02:47 PM
What's all this about Dick taking over as Batman?
Mike Smash!
10-10-2005, 02:47 PM
So right now, we stand as Bart being Flash and Dick being BatmanWell, we don't know for sure that Dick will be Batman, but we've got good word that Batman will no longer be a dick. :)
Chris Thomas
10-10-2005, 03:12 PM
Well, we don't know for sure that Dick will be Batman, but we've got good word that Batman will no longer be a dick. :)
I think that is the real post crisis change. I cannot imagine bruce not being batman. that just doesn't make any sense. how about superboy taking over for clark? come on people!
Kevinroc
10-10-2005, 03:18 PM
The rumor was that one major DC character would die and be replaced by their sidekick.
And Flash has long since been a contender. Me? I don't really believe it since DiDio and co. have joked that Wally was going to die since the announcement of Infinite Crisis. Hell, if you recall, DC also led readers to believe Wally had died during Zero Hour.
But if Waid were to take over Flash with Bart under the mask, I'd read it.
Alan2099
10-10-2005, 03:20 PM
I don't like Bart currently. His old personality has been completley swept under the rug just so they can make him into a copy of the old Kid Flash.
Adam Crocker
10-10-2005, 03:25 PM
My biggest problem with this? Not that they are killing Wally or even doing it so soon after he had kids. I mean seriously, they can't up with their own idea for a send off for the third Flash so they are going to repeat COIE? Lame.
Bloopinator
10-10-2005, 03:32 PM
YEAH!! Kid Flash is much totally cooler like YAH!
Jeez guys! It's a rumor. If you read it in Lying in the Gutters, it should never be thought of as anything more than a rumor (unless Rick posts a link to somewhere).
I hope someone edits this thread.
CaptMagellan
10-10-2005, 03:50 PM
Jeez guys! It's a rumor. If you read it in Lying in the Gutters, it should never be thought of as anything more than a rumor (unless Rick posts a link to somewhere).
I hope someone edits this thread.
His green lit rumors are pretty damn reliable.
This one has a green light.
CaptMagellan
10-10-2005, 03:52 PM
What's all this about Dick taking over as Batman?
There's another LITG rumor that, Post IC, Bruce will be in Arkham (committed? Undercover? don't know.) and Dick will take over as Batman during that time.
Andy S.
10-10-2005, 03:54 PM
I'm thinking its DC's attempt at misdirection.
Green light or not. :cool:
His green lit rumors are pretty damn reliable.
This one has a green light.
So? Yes, Rich has been right many times, but I don't like it when people believe his word is official. Sometimes he gets things wrong, or misinformation or he has a rumor of something so far down the line that those plans change.
I enjoy reading his column for fun, but I never think anything in there is true unless I see actual confirmation from the company.
OH NO! WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF WALLY'S SUPERSPEED BABIES IF WALLY IS DEAD?!?!?!111
LINDA IS TOO SLOW TO DO IT!
Bart Allen, professional speedy babysitter :(
Beta Ray Bill
10-10-2005, 04:08 PM
Also, I don't completely buy this rumor.
Yeah. I'll believe it when I see The Flash #1 starring Bart Allen in Previews...
I'm thinking its DC's attempt at misdirection.
Green light or not. :cool:
I agree. Besides, animated Flash is Wally, so I doubt DC would want him killed off.
protege
10-10-2005, 04:51 PM
My biggest problem with this? Not that they are killing Wally or even doing it so soon after he had kids. I mean seriously, they can't up with their own idea for a send off for the third Flash so they are going to repeat COIE? Lame.
What is the point of all this? I don't think anybody's clamoring for Bart to take over as the Flash, or Donna to take over as Wonder Woman- this has got to be one of those lame "Change to shake things up" that no one wants, and never lasts very long. Plus, it sort of messes up all the silver age kick DC's been on lately. Did they just sit around and say "What if the sidekicks took over?"
Matt Algren
10-10-2005, 05:11 PM
What is the point of all this? I don't think anybody's clamoring for Bart to take over as the Flash, or Donna to take over as Wonder Woman- this has got to be one of those lame "Change to shake things up" that no one wants, and never lasts very long. Plus, it sort of messes up all the silver age kick DC's been on lately. Did they just sit around and say "What if the sidekicks took over?"
Remember, though, that this happened 11 years ago with Zero Hour. Wally was supposedly killed just like Barry, etc, etc, etc. They'd even just introduced Bart and acted like he was going to take over.
It's a stunt to get people to buy the books. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if we did come back after the year gap (if there's a gap) with Kal, Bruce, Diana, Wally, Hal, and Ollie out of commission. J'onn'll probably be gone as well. The sidekicks will take over, muck it up, it's not the same without so-and-so, and the story flows pretty naturally from there.
Just remember, take deep breaths, drink plenty of water, and remind yourself that the big guns make way too much $$$ from breakfast cereal and bedsheets to do away with them for good.
(Oh, and by the way, Flash #0 was one kickass comic. Waid and Weirengo in their best Flash days. Go get the back issue today.)
Adam Crocker
10-10-2005, 05:30 PM
What is the point of all this? I don't think anybody's clamoring for Bart to take over as the Flash, or Donna to take over as Wonder Woman- this has got to be one of those lame "Change to shake things up" that no one wants, and never lasts very long. Plus, it sort of messes up all the silver age kick DC's been on lately. Did they just sit around and say "What if the sidekicks took over?"
Well I guess "Change to shake things up" assuming that it's true and not misinformation that has been given to Rich. There's also the misdirection suggestion, but I don't even find that idea very interesting as it's been done before with Zero Hour and Terminal Velocity. Unless they have something else entirely planned both of these come off as aping other people's work.
protege
10-10-2005, 06:36 PM
I'm thinking its DC's attempt at misdirection.
Green light or not. :cool:
this is stupid. I have to wait another six months to find out what the DC universe is going to be like after Infinite crisis, and they want to feed me red herrings?
jetter_cheeze
10-10-2005, 07:08 PM
Bart as Flash would kick arse, especially if Waid were to write it.
Another Crisis, another Flash death, bring it on.
Even if this turns out to be untrue, this rumor has me very happy. I like Wally's character and he has had some excellent people writing his character for awhile. At least we know one thing though - Barry Allen will be in Infinite Crisis! How so? Wally is supposed to see Barry three more times in his life, and he has already seen him twice. If he is going to die in In C, then Barry would have to be involved.
Flash excellance!
Captain Jim
10-10-2005, 08:02 PM
Well another one of the rumors floating around (along with the aforementioned Bart as Flash and Dick as Batman) is Donna taking over the Wonder Woman role....
Yes, and Greg Rucka has already said it's not true.
this is stupid. I have to wait another six months to find out what the DC universe is going to be like after Infinite crisis, and they want to feed me red herrings?
It's better than finding out everything 8 months early and being bored by the news before they've even written anything.
Ian J.N.
10-11-2005, 12:08 AM
My biggest problem with this? Not that they are killing Wally or even doing it so soon after he had kids. I mean seriously, they can't up with their own idea for a send off for the third Flash so they are going to repeat COIE? Lame.
If the rumour is true, I'm curious to see how they handle it. Wally has "died" many times before. Playing off of the CoIE death was done already in Zero Hour. Running past the "ultimate speed" (Barry's cause of death) was handled in Terminal Velocity. Chained Lightning had the poetic death befitting the character. In that, Wally died saving the universe by sacrificing himself for his uncle. Hey, and he's even gone out like a punk. Way back in issue 49, Wally took a bullet to the chest in a duel with Vandal Savage.
So if Wally does die, the ante has been set very high. Perhaps he won't be the only Flash to die. It could be that Barry Allen returns (a la Jason Todd) and all three Flashes go out in a blaze of glory (which makes a bit of sense. The story potential of Bart becoming Flash is in having a relatively inexperienced teenager shoulder the immense responsibility of his predecessor. Can't very well have Jay running around...) Maybe Wally dies after becoming the amalgamated Flash entity of Kingdom Come.
Or it could be that Wally doesn't die in IC at all. Perhaps his disappearance will be handled in 52.
Ontir
10-13-2005, 05:08 PM
well the last time Dc had one of their characters become "diverse" fandom went nuts that Firestorm was black........
For all the talk fandom wants the illusion of change while change itself is frowned upon
Starboy in the Legion of Super-Heroes is now black, and that's only had a minimum of fuss. My sole issue, was why make Starboy black, and not use any of the already black characters like Tyroc, Kid Quantum I or II, Invisible Kid II, Gear, or the Latin Catspaw (although she did turn up in a flashback, or - and this would be the really wild move - why not take Ferro Lad (who according to legend was always meant to be black, but TPTB wouldn't allow it, so Shooter put a hood on him and wrote that he was so horribly disfigured that no one could bear to look upon his face), and make him black?
From today's Lying in the Gutters:The final Batman story arc that leads into "Infinite Crisis," and out the other end with the One Year Gap (including that spoiler I was so careful to whiteout - and then you bastards went and put up on your own message boards without spoiler warnings). I thought that was pretty funny.
dazzler_slave
10-17-2005, 01:44 PM
So about that rumoured Freedom Fighters series... guess it's not gonna shake out like I had hoped. D'Ya think it was just misdirection, faulty info or is it one of the titles Grant Morrison will be redoing?
exboywonder
11-01-2005, 11:24 AM
I've searched this forum for answers to a couple of questions, but had no luck in finding any. So if these have already been answered elsewhere please excuse this post.
I've heard about the 52 book that is supposed to be weekly for a year to catch us up on the missing year after IC. When will this title begin? immediatly after IC?
Also, I've heard rumors of new titles and cancellations after IC, I know they are just rumors for now, but does anyone have any info on new/cancelled titles?
Thanks!
David O Burcham
11-01-2005, 11:37 AM
Check out "Lying in the Gutters" on the home page. Interesting news/rumors on new and cancelled titles... especially concerning Hawkman!
The Wayner
11-01-2005, 12:09 PM
That Hawkman rumor... kinda makes my stomach hurt. :rolleyes:
Captain Jim
11-01-2005, 08:35 PM
I've heard about the 52 book that is supposed to be weekly for a year to catch us up on the missing year after IC. When will this title begin? immediatly after IC?
For some reason, I seem to recall that 52 actually starts before IC is over. Did I dream that up or am I right?
For some reason, I seem to recall that 52 actually starts before IC is over. Did I dream that up or am I right?No, 52 is supposed to start the week after Infinite Crisis #7. It's the One Year Later jump that happens while IC is still going on.
Captain Jim
11-01-2005, 08:56 PM
Ah, that's what I was remembering. Thanks!
Gentlegamer
11-01-2005, 09:48 PM
I hope they don't bring back the golden age midget in some stupid Golden Age Midget REBORN! story that only exists to explain a bunch of continuity nonsense nobody cared about.I won't abide smack talk about Al Pratt!!!
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