The "Bring Back The Masters of Evil" Poll

[The Purple Skull]

I've always liked the idea that the new MOE should consist of a rogue from each NA. So for each New Avenger, I'll give a list of rogues you can vote for. Think of it as an all-star ballot.

Please Note: The list of rogues are ones who are currently alive. Also, my knowledge of rogues for Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, and The Sentry is a bit limited, so I'll round out their polls with classic Avengers rogues.

So let's Begin! Please choose only one for each poll...

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones
-- Taskmaster
-- Batroc The Leaper
-- Flagsmasher
-- Baron Helmut Zemo
-- Write-In

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser
-- Spymaster
-- Titanium Man
-- Whiplash
-- Crimson Dynamo
-- Write-In

3. Spider-Man
-- Green Goblin (Norman)
-- Dr. Octopus
-- Venom
-- Electro
-- Sandman
-- Write-In

4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth
-- Lady Deathstrike
-- Omega Red
-- Silver Samurai
-- Cyber
-- Write-In

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper
-- Morgan LeFay
-- Titania
-- Whirlwind
-- Grim Reaper
-- Write-In

6. Luke Cage
-- Purple Man
-- Bushmaster
-- Mr. Hyde
-- The Wrecker
-- Chemistro
-- Write-In

7. The Sentry
-- The Void
-- Count Nefaria
-- Ultron
-- Absorbing Man
-- Graviton
-- Write-In

I'll post the results in a few days.

Have Fun!

[DDM]

Perhaps, the Masters of Evil could be reborn as the New Masters of Evil to reflect the opposite of the JLA inspired New Avengers with Marvel's own Legion of Doom. More reason to wonder why the House of Ideas has become the House of Gimmicks.

[Shellhead]

Perhaps, the Masters of Evil could be reborn as the New Masters of Evil to reflect the opposite of the JLA inspired New Avengers with Marvel's own Legion of Doom. More reason to wonder why the House of Ideas has become the House of Gimmicks.

Why stop there? The New Avengers should also fight New Kang, New Ultron, and New Zodiac. It would have to be a New Zodiac, as Sentry could solo all the previous incarnations of Zodiac in just a couple of pages.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I´ll play along instead of complaining and being sarcastic, because we have like two or three threads in this forum were I can do that.

1. Captain America
-- Baron Helmut Zemo

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser

3. Spider-Man
-- Sandman

4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper

6. Luke Cage
-- Purple Man

7. The Sentry
-- Write-In: Molecule Man

[The Shadow]

JLA inspired New Avengers
See, I just don't get that... JLA is the most powerful, most respected and most well known heroes in the DCU... Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Sentry and Ronin don't fit that bill at all. Sentry does have the power... but he's still an unknown.

Even with Spidey and Wolverine they hardly touch the JLA's power levels... so I just don't see a comparrison with the JLA as being valid.

All of the JLA have solo series' except Martian Manhunter... only Cap, Wolverine, Spidey and Iron Man have solo weries from the NA.

I just don't get it.

To me it would be a gimmick if they stuck all the movie characters on a team... hell, add Elektra, Daredevil, Hulk and even Punisher (if they want that "only YOU can do these jobs" guy) but the additions of Spider Woman, Cage, Sentry and Ronin screw that. And Cap and Iron Man may have movies in the works... but that's a long way from being ON THE SCREEN.

[tricksterpup]

Why stop there? The New Avengers should also fight New Kang, New Ultron, and New Zodiac. It would have to be a New Zodiac, as Sentry could solo all the previous incarnations of Zodiac in just a couple of pages.
You mean there will be a New Zodiac? sweet. :D
Plus I thought there was the New Kang in young Avengers.

[The Shadow]

1. Captain America
-- Baron Helmut Zemo

2. Iron Man
-- Titanium Man

3. Spider-Man
-- Electro

4. Wolverine
-- Omega Red

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper

6. Luke Cage
-- The Wrecker

7. The Sentry
-- Absorbing Man

[Shellhead]

You mean there will be a New Zodiac? sweet. :D
Plus I thought there was the New Kang in young Avengers.

No, that's Young Kang. We need a New Kang as well.

[tricksterpup]

No, that's Young Kang. We need a New Kang as well.
Well he is kinda newer than the old kang.

[Kirk G]

Well he is kinda newer than the old kang.
The Who said it best...
"Meet the new bosss....
Same as the old bosss..."

-We won't get fooled again.
Circa 1971, Pete Townsend, The Who
From "Who's Next"

[tricksterpup]

The Who said it best...
"Meet the new bosss....
Same as the old bosss..."

-We won't get fooled again.
Circa 1970, Pete Townsemd, The Who

Anybody know which album and exact year? :rolleyes:
Released August 1971
Album: Who's Next (MCA)

[frankiedetroit]

I pick Baron Zemo, the Crimson Dynamo, Electro, Sabretooth, Titania, Mr. Hyde (gotta go with Hyde, since he was so prominent in the takeover storyline from NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO! Ugh, time flies when you're havin' fun) and while I really like Count Nefaria to do battle with Sentry, Dark Soul's pick, The Molecule Man, makes my squad. Always loved i when Owenpopped up somewhere.

I wonder how Sabretooth and Hyde would get along.

[StoneGold]

I'm going to go a bit outside the box. Winter Soldier, that Technis-infected guy from Iron Man, Morlun, Gorgon back from the dead... I really don't have anyone for Spider-Woman or Cage.

[DDM]

No, that's Young Kang. We need a New Kang as well.

We need New Old Immortus, New Jocasta, New New New Marcus...

[DDM]

See, I just don't get that... JLA is the most powerful, most respected and most well known heroes in the DCU... Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Sentry and Ronin don't fit that bill at all. Sentry does have the power... but he's still an unknown.

Even with Spidey and Wolverine they hardly touch the JLA's power levels... so I just don't see a comparrison with the JLA as being valid.

All of the JLA have solo series' except Martian Manhunter... only Cap, Wolverine, Spidey and Iron Man have solo weries from the NA.

I just don't get it.

To me it would be a gimmick if they stuck all the movie characters on a team... hell, add Elektra, Daredevil, Hulk and even Punisher (if they want that "only YOU can do these jobs" guy) but the additions of Spider Woman, Cage, Sentry and Ronin screw that. And Cap and Iron Man may have movies in the works... but that's a long way from being ON THE SCREEN.


Given Marvel's history, a direct analogue to DC's JLA would not quite mesh; however, Marvel is placing all of their big movie properties in New Avengers: Spider-Man, Wolverine, Luka Cage (upcoming film), Spider-Woman I (Bendis pet character), Sentry (Superman rip-off), along with Gimmick Guy (more than likely Iron Fist since he too has an upcoming film in the works).

Nevermind the fact New Avengers just does not work since it violates too may continuity issues. Once the hype deflates from the book, New Avengers will collapse into cancellation.

[The Purple Skull]

Guys if you could, I would like to keep this focused on the poll I put up. As someone mentioned earlier, there are plenty of other threads to discuss whether the New Avengers will succeed or fail.

[protege]

I've always liked the idea that the new MOE should consist of a rogue from each NA. So for each New Avenger, I'll give a list of rogues you can vote for. Think of it as an all-star ballot.

Please Note: The list of rogues are ones who are currently alive. Also, my knowledge of rogues for Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, and The Sentry is a bit limited, so I'll round out their polls with classic Avengers rogues.

So let's Begin! Please choose only one for each poll...

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones
-- Taskmaster
-- Batroc The Leaper
-- Flagsmasher
-- Baron Helmut Zemo
-- Write-In

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser
-- Spymaster
-- Titanium Man
-- Whiplash
-- Crimson Dynamo
-- Write-In

3. Spider-Man
-- Green Goblin (Norman)
-- Dr. Octopus
-- Venom
-- Electro
-- Sandman
-- Write-In

4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth
-- Lady Deathstrike
-- Omega Red
-- Silver Samurai
-- Cyber
-- Write-In

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper
-- Morgan LeFay
-- Titania
-- Whirlwind
-- Grim Reaper
-- Write-In

6. Luke Cage
-- Purple Man
-- Bushmaster
-- Mr. Hyde
-- The Wrecker
-- Chemistro
-- Write-In

7. The Sentry
-- The Void
-- Count Nefaria
-- Ultron
-- Absorbing Man
-- Graviton
-- Write-In

I'll post the results in a few days.

Have Fun!
Mr. Hyde? when did Luke Cage fight him? is there anyone in the MU he HASN'T fought? or are you just asking to see them throw down?

[Gaz]

I'm going to go a bit outside the box. Winter Soldier, that Technis-infected guy from Iron Man, Morlun, Gorgon back from the dead... I really don't have anyone for Spider-Woman or Cage.
Morgan and Purple Man. (Jessica doesn't have a series where she can have rogues, so he can be Luke's)

[The Purple Skull]

Mr. Hyde? when did Luke Cage fight him? is there anyone in the MU he HASN'T fought? or are you just asking to see them throw down?
Well I mentioned that my knowledge of villains for Cage, Spider-Woman and the Sentry was limited so to compensate I added past foes of the Avengers to each of their polls. And yes, Cage and Mr. Hyde fought briefly during the Breakout.

[Michael P]

[QUOTE=The Purple Skull]I've always liked the idea that the new MOE should consist of a rogue from each NA. So for each New Avenger, I'll give a list of rogues you can vote for. Think of it as an all-star ballot.

Please Note: The list of rogues are ones who are currently alive. Also, my knowledge of rogues for Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, and The Sentry is a bit limited, so I'll round out their polls with classic Avengers rogues.

So let's Begin! Please choose only one for each poll...

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones

2. Iron Man
-- Write-In: Firebrand

3. Spider-Man
-- Electro

4. Wolverine
-- Lady Deathstrike

5. Spider-Woman
-- Titania

6. Luke Cage
-- The Wrecker


7. The Sentry
-- Count Nefaria

Kind of a New Avengers Revenge Squad, headed by Nefaria.

[AllisterH]

So let's Begin! Please choose only one for each poll...

1. Captain America
-- Baron Helmut Zemo

Anyone says differently needs to be slapped. Zemo _IS_ the Masters of Evil just as Captain America is the Avengers. Zemo is the only villain that has shown he can actually lead other villains to victory.

While Crossbones is a classic CA foe, he has always been a lackey for the Skull and nothing more than a speedbump for Cap especially after the Skull gained a cloned version of Steve's body.

Taskmaster though is what I would love to see, but I just can't see Tasky joining anything like MoE. Where's the profit in that?

2. Iron Man
-- Write-In

ARGH, there isn't anyone here who can actually give Tony a fight. Seriously, both Titanium Man & Crimson Dynamo are at least 2 generations behind Tony's current armour while Whiplash and Spymaster are suited better for corporate espionage. Throw in Tony's "my armour can absorb anything" and the Living Laser gets mulched.

My write in would be that Exemplar from Iron Man's crossover a couple years back. She seemed strong enough to have no trouble overloading Tony's armour thus requiring Tony to think outside the box to beat her.

3. Spider-Man
-- Electro

No doubt about it, I want Electro. Strong enough to give spidey trouble and
can be switched with any of the other Avengers other than Iron Man. Green Goblin is too personal a foe, Doc Ock I can't see working with MoE (he always despised the Sinister Six), Venom needs to be retired and I still hold out hope that somebody will undo the brainwashing of Sandman (Hey Dan Slott, how about it? You're writing Thing's new series and Sandman & Thing go way back)

4. Wolverine
-- Omega Red

Omega Red has always been a personal favourite and he more often than not, has Wolverine's number. Throw in his Death Spores (wonder how they would react to Jessica's pheromone) and his wide ranging tentacles, (another reason Dr. Octopus isn't needed) and he's perfect. Cyber I don't know. Lady Deathstrike is like Green Goblin, too personal. Sabes needs to be retired and the Samurai ALWAYS gets owned by Logan.

PLUS. OMEGA RED just sounds cool.

5. Spider-Woman
-- Morgan LeFay

Viper isn't suited for large group battles. Titania is more She-Hulk's main foe, as with Whirlwind being more a Wasp personal foe along with the Reaper being Wonderman's main personal foe. Morgan LeFay it is, as she can be this new MoE's Enchantress.

6. Luke Cage
-- Chemistro

Purple Man not really a free for all type of villain (and that's what all MoE vs. Avengers eventually becomes) while the Bushmaster from Cage's histroy is a Crime Lord (not the same Bushmaster from the Serpent Society). Hyde and the Wrecker are just flunkies who will be in the background of the new MoE. I'd go with Chemistro and make it the second one who had the power innate. Too easy to disarm the ones with the gun.

7. The Sentry
-- Write-In

Void is too powerful while the others are too weak (again we see what the problem with Sentry is). I would go with someone who can play with his Agrophobia. Vertigo, the savage land mutate would be my choice.

[Alan2099]

1. -- Baron Helmut Zemo. You just can't have the Masters of Evil without him.

2. -- Write-In. The Sentinet Ironman armor (didn't that turn out to be Ultron or something?)

3. -- Electro. He's already got a run in with the Avengers now. let's keep it going.

4. -- Sabretooth. He's already had run ins with Spidey and Wolverine and he started out fighting Ironfist and Cage, let's let it run full circle.

5. -- Titania. She always makes a good female villian for bad teams.

6. -- Mr. Hyde. Again, another classic Masters of Evil villian.

7. -- Molecule man. I agree with the other people who posted it.

[Christopher O]

Baron Helmut Zemo
Titanium Man
Electro
Lady Deathstrike
Titania
The Wrecker
Count Nefaria

[DDM]

New Masters of Evil
Baron Zemo
Mandarin
Moses Magnum (Power Man foe)
Morgan LeFaye (Spider-Woman foe)
Mysterio
The Void
Viper

[Atom_basher]

1. Captain America
-- Write-In Bucky :D

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser

3. Spider-Man
-- Electro

4. Wolverine
-- Lady Deathstrike

5. Spider-Woman
-- Morgan LeFay


6. Luke Cage
-- Purple Man


7. The Sentry
-- The Void

[DMike]

Anyone says differently needs to be slapped. Zemo _IS_ the Masters of Evil just as Captain America is the Avengers.

I disagree. Given his development in Thunderbolts and his mindset in the Avengers/Thunderbolts mini I think the Masters of Evil would be a step backwards for him. They don't fit his MO anymore, not to mention the fact that having the two moonstones makes him WAY beyond Cap's league (though possibly in Sentry's).

[Shellhead]

I'm having trouble giving a serious answer to this question for an important reason unrelated to my unrelenting displeasure over Disassembled.

See, the problem with a New Masters of Evil the way you're setting up is the wildly disparate power levels of the New Avengers. Either we get several fairly dull one-on-one match-ups between very familiar opponents, defeating the point of New Avengers being a team book... or we get totally one-sided matchups like Sentry wrecking Sabretooth or Morgan le Fay toasting Wolverine.

[The Purple Skull]

Quick Update!

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones - 1 vote
-- Taskmaster
-- Batroc The Leaper
-- Flagsmasher
-- Baron Helmut Zemo - 7 votes (looks to be running away with it)
-- Write-In:
Winter Soldier - 2 votes (for now, the 1 vote for Bucky I put down for Winter Soldier)

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser - 2 votes
-- Spymaster
-- Titanium Man - 2 votes
-- Whiplash
-- Crimson Dynamo - 1 vote
-- Write-In:
Technis-Infected Guy From Iron Man
Firebrand
Exemplar
Sentient Iron Man Armor
Mandarin
The 5 write-ins for Iron Man all have 1 vote each

3. Spider-Man
-- Green Goblin (Norman)
-- Dr. Octopus
-- Venom
-- Electro - 7 votes (dominating this poll)
-- Sandman - 1 vote
-- Write-In:
Morlun
Mysterio
Both Spider-Man write-ins have 1 vote each

4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth - 3 votes
-- Lady Deathstrike - 3 votes
-- Omega Red - 2 votes
-- Silver Samurai
-- Cyber
-- Write-In:
The Gorgon
Viper
Both Wolverine write-ins have 1 vote each

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper – 2 votes
-- Morgan LeFay – 4 votes
-- Titania – 4 votes
-- Whirlwind
-- Grim Reaper
-- Write-In

6. Luke Cage
-- Purple Man – 3 votes
-- Bushmaster
-- Mr. Hyde – 2 votes
-- The Wrecker - 3 votes
-- Chemistro - 1 vote
-- Write-In:
Moses Magnum – 1 vote

7. The Sentry
-- The Void – 2 votes
-- Count Nefaria – 2 votes
-- Ultron
-- Absorbing Man – 1 vote
-- Graviton
-- Write-In:
Molecule Man – 3 votes
Vertigo – 1 vote

There is still plenty of time to vote!

[The Purple Skull]

I'm having trouble giving a serious answer to this question for an important reason unrelated to my unrelenting displeasure over Disassembled.

See, the problem with a New Masters of Evil the way you're setting up is the wildly disparate power levels of the New Avengers. Either we get several fairly dull one-on-one match-ups between very familiar opponents, defeating the point of New Avengers being a team book... or we get totally one-sided matchups like Sentry wrecking Sabretooth or Morgan le Fay toasting Wolverine.
Well I've always liked the idea of villain teams consisting of an arch-enemy for each hero. (ie. the first MOE incarnation). You are right though in regards to how uneven some of the matchups might be. But that is why I included a write-in so you can choose anyone not on the list.

[mattbib]

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones
-- Taskmaster
-- Batroc The Leaper
-- Flagsmasher
-- Baron Helmut Zemo
-- Write-In
A MoE type team is way out of Crossbones M.O. Zemo has moved beyond such things; as said earlier participation in a MoE would totally be a step backwards. Neither Taskmaster nor Flag-Smasher would be interested in a MoE operation. And Batroc is a mercenary, not a "master" of evil. My suggestion is MOTHER NIGHT. With her father apparently dead, she could be the mastermind behind the organization of a new MoE.
2. Iron Man
Most of these characters listed are too antiquated or don't meet the MoE concept. I'd throw in the latest War Machine or the current incarnation of the Mandarin. Both would be happy to destroy Stark's allies so long as they take him down also.
3. Spider-Man
-- Green Goblin (Norman)
-- Dr. Octopus
-- Venom
-- Electro
-- Sandman
Again, most of the characters listed are hardly "masters" of anything. I would say Green Goblin as he'd likely now be interested in taking down Cage in addition to Spider-Man. Otherwise there are very few characters I can see in this spot. Maybe the Owl?
4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth
-- Lady Deathstrike
-- Omega Red
-- Silver Samurai
-- Cyber
First of all, Cyber is dead. And the others don't seem the type to join groups of equals. I'd suggest either Bloodscream or Mauvais.
5. Spider-Woman
Definitely Viper, who would be the most believable person for the role, despite her current position in the Hellfire Club. I could easily see Viper playing both White Princess AND Master of Evil.
6. Luke Cage
I'd suggest using either Hardcore or Bushmaster. Both are apparently dead, but easily revived.
7. The Sentry
This is the hardest choice, because other than the Void he doesn't have a rogues gallery. I'd suggest using a "gone-bad" Scout (the Sentry's old Sidekick), or, if not, fall back on the other characters recruiting someone capable of neutralizing Sentry (be it Graviton, Molecule Man, whoever).

[milhouse123321]

. Captain America
-- Crossbones

2. Iron Man
-- Whiplash

3. Spider-Man
-- Sandman

4. Wolverine
-- Omega Red

5. Spider-Woman
-- Titania

6. Luke Cage
-- The Wrecker

7. The Sentry
-- Absorbing Man

[Tragix]

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones

2. Iron Man
-- Whiplash

3. Spider-Man
-- Venom

4. Wolverine
-- Lady Deathstrike

5. Spider-Woman
-- Grim Reaper

6. Luke Cage
-- Bushmaster

7. The Sentry
-- Count Nefaria

[The Purple Skull]

I will probably post the results on thursday or friday. So there is still plenty of time left...

[Taskmaster]

the New Masters

-Count Nefaria - Leader
-Protocide
-Sentient Armor (retcon the Ultron connection)
-New Venom aka Scorpion
-Whirlwind
-Glowworm (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/glowwormblake.htm)
-Mauvais

[ghostrider666]

Not the worst of ideas, I'll just pick from the characters youve listed.


1. Captain America
-- Taskmaster

2. Iron Man
-- Titanium Man

3. Spider-Man
-- Sandman

4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth

5. Spider-Woman
-- Grim Reaper

6. Luke Cage
-- Mr. Hyde


7. The Sentry
-- Ultron

[Beamish]

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones
2. Iron Man
-- Titanium Man
3. Spider-Man
-- Electro
4. Wolverine
-- Omega Red
5. Spider-Woman
-- Write-In - Nekra
6. Luke Cage
-- Chemistro
7. The Sentry
-- Molecule Man

[Doom]

I agree given Zemo's development, him forming a team called the Masters of Evil doesn't seem right.
New Thunderbolts hints that he is forming a team all right, and he would be perfectly right to show up just to point at Captain America and tell him that Avengers Disasembled is Gods ways of saying "that's for what you did during Avengers Vs. Thunderbolts."

But I digress. A new Masters does need to be formed at some point, and do need to fight the Avengers.

But learn the lesson from Exiles. You can't have too many Masters on the MoE. There need's to be plenty of minions too.

[Harold of the Rocks]

1. Captain America
-- Moonstone - Evil again. She having a history against the Avengers, hence the Cap tie-in.

2. Iron Man
-- Mandarin - Vintage nemesis with powers that this team would have trouble reckoning with. Nice call, DDM.

3. Spider-Man
-- Electro - Woulda wrote him in if he wasn't on the list already...

4. Wolverine
-- Silver Samurai - He has also faced off against Jessica and Spidey. So he has a history with a few of the New Avengers. And while he might not be the perfect opposite to Logan, he would be good to have on the team to go against Ronin, when he joins (of course then we'd have to add another MoE character, which to me could be Mystique, Klaw, Grey Gargoyle, the Unicorn, someone with rather unique powers...)

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper - Need a chica terroristica on the team, weapons expert, etc. She's got the espionage element down. And as we already included Silver Samurai, this seems like a good fit to me.

6. Luke Cage
-- Juggernaut - Make him bad again. The muscle to counter anything the New Avengers could throw at our New Masters of Evil. Had to go outside his rogues gallery, because most of them suck, and Mr. Fish is dead... :mad:

7. Sentry
-- Molecule Man - Another great write-in idea already posted here. A major heavy-hitter to oppose Sentry.

-- I like the idea of having a few more women on the team, as us Y-chromosome types know, "Hell hath no fury...". This is why Mystique tops my list of 'extras' when Ronin joins. In some ways, I'm kinda bummed in that it seems that a lot of former villainesses are now reformed (or 'semi' at least). Maybe I'm all whack, but it seems like a higher percentage of the villainesses are giving 'do-gooding' a try. Like Enchantress, Red Guardian (also the 'cold war' enemies doesn't feel right in this day and age...), Diamondback, and the aforementioned Moonstone (I want her evil again... Juggy too! -- I mean I want her and Juggernaut evil again, she already is 'juggy' ;) ).

And although I played along with the 'one-on-one' matchup idea, I don't think that you neccesarily need to have equal numbers of heroes and villains for this to work out good. Still, it was fun to contemplate the possibilities, great idea, Purple Skull! Oh, and AllisterH, slap me if you must (can I choose where?), but I think it's time to drive on from Zemo, even though he would top my list of 'suggested' Cap villains. Just want to mix some classic villains with some new ones, and Cap's rogues gallery to me goes way beyond Zemo, Red Skull, and Dr. Faustus. I was also leaning towards Arnim Zola (not to be confused with Armin Hammer, who will keep your refrigerator smelling fresh for months at a time -- and has [I]hundreds of other uses!). He would fit the genius leader mold pretty well, and could of course bring along Doughboy and Primus to the party... ;)

[Manchine]

1. -- Baron Helmut Zemo

2. -- Mandarin (I like this idea better after seeing it.)

3. -- Dr. Octopus

4. -- Silver Samurai

5. -- Whirlwind

6. -- Mr. Hyde

7. -- Count Nefaria

[The Purple Skull]

Another quick update! Things are heating up a bit

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones - 4 votes
-- Taskmaster - 1 vote
-- Batroc The Leaper
-- Flagsmasher
-- Baron Helmut Zemo - 8 votes
-- Write-In:
Winter Soldier - 2 votes
Mother Night - 1 vote
Protocide - 1 vote
Moonstone - 1 vote

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser - 2 votes
-- Spymaster
-- Titanium Man - 4 votes
-- Whiplash - 2 votes
-- Crimson Dynamo - 1 vote
-- Write-In:
Mandarin - 4 votes
Sentient Iron Man Armor - 2 votes
Technis-Infected Guy From Iron Man - 1 vote
Firebrand - 1 vote
Exemplar - 1 vote

3. Spider-Man
-- Green Goblin (Norman)
-- Dr. Octopus - 1 vote
-- Venom - 3 votes
-- Electro - 9 votes
-- Sandman - 3 votes
-- Write-In:
Morlun - 1 vote
Mysterio - 1 vote
The Owl - 1 vote


4. Wolverine
-- Sabretooth - 4 votes
-- Lady Deathstrike - 4 votes
-- Omega Red - 4 votes
-- Silver Samurai - 2 votes
-- Cyber
-- Write-In:
The Gorgon - 1 vote
Mauvais - 1 vote

5. Spider-Woman
-- Viper – 5 votes (i've decided to move Viper's write-in from wolverine to this one)
-- Morgan LeFay – 4 votes
-- Titania – 5 votes
-- Whirlwind - 2 votes
-- Grim Reaper - 2 votes
-- Write-In:
Nekra - 1 vote

6. Luke Cage
-- Purple Man – 3 votes
-- Bushmaster - 2 votes
-- Mr. Hyde – 4 votes
-- The Wrecker - 4 votes
-- Chemistro - 2 votes
-- Write-In:
Moses Magnum – 1 vote
Gloworm - 1 vote
Juggernaut - 1 vote

7. The Sentry
-- The Void – 2 votes
-- Count Nefaria – 5 votes
-- Ultron - 1 vote
-- Absorbing Man – 2 votes
-- Graviton - 1 vote
-- Write-In:
Molecule Man – 5 votes
Vertigo – 1 vote

Results will be posted Friday!

[Tobias March]

I've always liked the idea that the new MOE should consist of a rogue from each NA. So for each New Avenger, I'll give a list of rogues you can vote for. Think of it as an all-star ballot.

Please Note: The list of rogues are ones who are currently alive. Also, my knowledge of rogues for Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, and The Sentry is a bit limited, so I'll round out their polls with classic Avengers rogues.

So let's Begin! Please choose only one for each poll...

1. Captain America
-- Baron Helmut Zemo


2. Iron Man
-- Crimson Dynamo

3. Spider-Man
-- Sandman

4. Wolverine
-- Lady Deathstrike

5. Spider-Woman
-- Grim Reaper


6. Luke Cage
-- Bushmaster

7. The Sentry
-- Absorbing Man

I'll post the results in a few days.

Have Fun!

There ya go.

[Frank]

Baron Helmut Zemo
Spymaster
Sandman
Lady Deathstrike
Morgan LeFay
Purple Man
The Void

The Avenger can`t handle these guys. fogetabouhit

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

1. Captain America
-- Crossbones
alternate- Zemo

2. Iron Man
-- Living Laser
alternate Titanium Man

3. Spider-Man
-- Sandman
or Shriek


4. Wolverine
-- Lady Deathstrike
or Silver Samurai


5. Spider-Woman
-- Nekra
or The Brothers Grimm


6. Luke Cage
-- Mr. Hyde
or Blockbuster


7. The Sentry
-- The Void
or Count Nefaria

[XPac]

Personally, the name "Masters of Evil" gave off the impresion that it was a team of A list villians. Not one evil mastermind hiring a bunch of metahuman thugs, but a team of guys that could genuinely be called Masters of Evil.

When you think of a Master of Evil, who do you think of? Mr. Hyde? Nah... you're thinking Red Skull, Dr. Doom, or maybe Baron Zemo. Maybe Magneto, depending on which side of the fence he's sitting on. Similiar to the council of Villians from the Acts of Vengeance. Guys that, if they pooled their resources, are a real threat to the entire Marvel U. But hey, that's just me.

I do like the idea of a supervillian team to oppose the Avengers... not sure if Masters of Evil would work since they now seem a more natural enemy of the T-Bolts. But whatever you wanna call them, a team of villians would be cool. It's just a shame so few villian teams actually stay together.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Personally, the name "Masters of Evil" gave off the impresion that it was a team of A list villians. Not one evil mastermind hiring a bunch of metahuman thugs, but a team of guys that could genuinely be called Masters of Evil.

When you think of a Master of Evil, who do you think of? Mr. Hyde? Nah... you're thinking Red Skull, Dr. Doom, or maybe Baron Zemo. Maybe Magneto, depending on which side of the fence he's sitting on. Similiar to the council of Villians from the Acts of Vengeance. Guys that, if they pooled their resources, are a real threat to the entire Marvel U. But hey, that's just me.

.

That's not necessarily true for all people.
When I think MOE I don't really think about Big Guns necessarily, but about truly EVIL people...for example, I honestly don't feel that Magneto or even Dr.Doom are irredeemably evil, yet to me Nekra , Viper and The Void are.

[Shellhead]

But whatever you wanna call them, a team of villians would be cool. It's just a shame so few villian teams actually stay together.

It's tough enough for a band of musicians to stay together, and they have the common objectives of getting paid, getting laid, and getting famous. Imagine trying to keep a group of villains together, when they're all dishonest, violent, and super-powered. The first time there's even a minor misunderstanding, things could get very ugly. With a shared origin, shared agenda, or a brutally powerful leader, a group of villains might stay together for awhile without straining credibility.

[XPac]

It's tough enough for a band of musicians to stay together, and they have the common objectives of getting paid, getting laid, and getting famous. Imagine trying to keep a group of villains together, when they're all dishonest, violent, and super-powered. The first time there's even a minor misunderstanding, things could get very ugly. With a shared origin, shared agenda, or a brutally powerful leader, a group of villains might stay together for awhile without straining credibility.

Yeah, the common orign thing is pretty much the only exception to the rule. The U-Foes and the Wrecking Crew for example. The Frightful Four had a good run... that's the closest I can think of to a villian team coming together and trying to stick it out. Makes you really respect the Legion of Doom from the Super Friends era... that many villians staying together cohesively for so long was quite an accomplishment.

[tricksterpup]

Actually, I think the New masters of Evil should all be Midgets and one talking monkey.

[Shellhead]

Actually, I think the New masters of Evil should all be Midgets and one talking monkey.

Actually, that would be cool if the Red Ghost and his super-apes joined the new Masters of Evil. With his powers, even Sentry couldn't lay a finger on him, and that orangutang with magnetic powers would just own Wolverine and Iron Man.

[XPac]

Actually, that would be cool if the Red Ghost and his super-apes joined the new Masters of Evil. With his powers, even Sentry couldn't lay a finger on him, and that orangutang with magnetic powers would just own Wolverine and Iron Man.

Hmmm... I wouldn't want to be Jessica. Shooting out those pheremones while a bunch of apes were around doesn't sound to pleasant.

[tricksterpup]

Hmmm... I wouldn't want to be Jessica. Shooting out those pheremones while a bunch of apes were around doesn't sound to pleasant.
You know, I think we hit on something..
http://members.fortunecity.com/dm_bishop2/marvel/superapes.jpg

[Captain]

Here is the team I would like to see. Basically, it is more of a mercenary team than anything. Some nice tech and what not.

Taskmaster
Absorbing Man or Rhino
Batroc
Brothers Grimm (spider-woman villains)
Electro
Maverick/Agent Zero

Also, I would like to see a new character introduced, either a female version of Baron Blood or Black Knight.

They would of course be funded by the mysterious Kaiser So... er, Tristam Silver.

[Tobias March]

Actually, that would be cool if the Red Ghost and his super-apes joined the new Masters of Evil. With his powers, even Sentry couldn't lay a finger on him, and that orangutang with magnetic powers would just own Wolverine and Iron Man.

Hey those apes showed up in New Warriors. They're all kinds of self-sufficient now :)

But I think Red Ghost is showing up in Hudlin's Panther next.

[Shellhead]

Here is the team I would like to see. Basically, it is more of a mercenary team than anything. Some nice tech and what not.

Taskmaster
Absorbing Man or Rhino
Batroc
Brothers Grimm (spider-woman villains)
Electro
Maverick/Agent Zero

Also, I would like to see a new character introduced, either a female version of Baron Blood or Black Knight.

They would of course be funded by the mysterious Kaiser So... er, Tristam Silver.

Sentry solos them, while the rest of the Avengers sputter standard Bendis stammering. It's sort of like watching the cast of a Woody Allen movie inserted into a Superman movie.

[Taskmaster]

Hey those apes showed up in New Warriors. They're all kinds of self-sufficient now :)

But I think Red Ghost is showing up in Hudlin's Panther next.

Dang it, that means that the Red Ghost will be from South America and the Apes well actually be a sloth, a coatmundi, and a leopard, and if anybody complains they are a racist. :mad: :rolleyes: Ok sorry I just still cant get over what Hudlin has said about anybody that doesn't like his writing. Anyways back on subject.

Captain, you do know there is a female Baroness Blood already, last seen in Invader's recent series and a new Black Knight created by Hudlin, although it wasn't well done in that case

[Smarty Jones]

Based on the choices I saw, I would vote the following:

1.) Captain America --> Flag-Smasher
2.) Iron Man ---------> The Living Laser
3.) Spider-Man -------> The Chameleon
4.) Wolverine --------> Silver Samurai
5.) Spider-Woman ---> Viper
6.) Luke Cage -------> The Absorbing Man
7.) The Sentry ------> Count Nefaria

However, if I had to choose my own Masters of Evil irrespective of matchups, my team would be Count Nefaria, The Mandarin, Diablo with Dragon Man, The Living Laser and Mystique -- and it would be called The Lethal Legion.

[Frank]

I for one think that The Void should bring back Nefaria to life, sort-of merge with him, giving him a set of new powers= perfect Sentry adversary.

[Smarty Jones]

"I for one think that The Void should bring back Nefaria to life, sort-of merge with him, giving him a set of new powers= perfect Sentry adversary."

Count Nefaria has been brought back to life, and has fought Captain America and Iron Man seperately and The Avengers and The Thunderbolts collectively. He also was one of the villains who escaped from The Raft.

Considering how powerful Nefaria is now, I don't how a power upgrade can help him a lot. My goodness, withstanding Thor's hammer is not good enough?!?!

Upon second thought, I have to say I like my new "Masters of Evil" better. The Chameleon seems to really fit in well with that group.

[XPac]

I for one think that The Void should bring back Nefaria to life, sort-of merge with him, giving him a set of new powers= perfect Sentry adversary.

Rather than powering Nefaria up, I think marvel is probably better off keeping Sentry's power levels down.

But I do think Nefaria would make a great Sentry villian.

[Captain]

Sentry solos them, while the rest of the Avengers sputter standard Bendis stammering. It's sort of like watching the cast of a Woody Allen movie inserted into a Superman movie.

But wouldn't Sentry also have a stolen weakness to the magic of the Brothers Grimm. ;)

[TimmyTony]

1. Captain America
Superia (Leader)

2. Iron Man
Unicorn


3. Spider-Man
Cardiac

4. Wolverine
Lady Deathstrike

5. Spider-Woman
Hammer And Anvil

6. Luke Cage
Angar The Screamer


7. The Sentry
The Void

8-Ronin
Typhoid Mary ;)

[Frank]

Count Nefaria has been brought back to life, and has fought Captain America and Iron Man seperately and The Avengers and The Thunderbolts collectively. He also was one of the villains who escaped from The Raft.

Considering how powerful Nefaria is now, I don't how a power upgrade can help him a lot. My goodness, withstanding Thor's hammer is not good enough?!?!

Upon second thought, I have to say I like my new "Masters of Evil" better. The Chameleon seems to really fit in well with that group.

He was brought to life but I bet it sucked. My way is better. It`s almost akin to the Sinestro-yellow entity/Paralax connection. Seeing Nefaria with that dark energy surrounding him would be even cooler than him just having the same powers he always had. Heck Nefaria is an evil Superman like Sentry is an screwed-up Superman, it all adds up. :D

[Gaz]

1. Captain America
Superia (Leader)

2. Iron Man
Unicorn


3. Spider-Man
Cardiac

4. Wolverine
Lady Deathstrike

5. Spider-Woman
Hammer And Anvil

6. Luke Cage
Angar The Screamer


7. The Sentry
The Void

8-Ronin
Typhoid Mary ;)

Isn't Angar dead?

[TimmyTony]

Isn't Angar dead?

Yeah, and so is Superia.
But death hasn't stopped anyone at Marvel from coming back, has it?

[Shellhead]

Yeah, and so is Superia.
But death hasn't stopped anyone at Marvel from coming back, has it?

Yeah, when I die, I hope I die a Marvel death.

[Smarty Jones]

"He was brought to life but I bet it sucked. My way is better. It`s almost akin to the Sinestro-yellow entity/Paralax connection. Seeing Nefaria with that dark energy surrounding him would be even cooler than him just having the same powers he always had. Heck Nefaria is an evil Superman like Sentry is an screwed-up Superman, it all adds up. :D"

So, in other words, you didn't know Count Nefaria was alive and how he came back-- just for some reason you know it wasn't good. Interesting.

[Frank]

So, in other words, you didn't know Count Nefaria was alive and how he came back-- just for some reason you know it wasn't good. Interesting.

Well see I bet he was brought back in the 90s or in Thunderbolts so it`s enough for me to know that it wasn`t my thing. :o