Superman and the Crises

[PatrickG]

I had an oddball thought.

Theoretically, after Crisis, everybody merged with their alternate selves, retroactively.

But Superman didn't. Earth-2 Superman is out there somewhere.

Personality wise, post-Crisis Superman has conveyed a lot of great qualities but he's never conveyed that he was the first, the top dog.

Now, I got thinking... Maybe his shifting origins and less secure role in the DCU could be explained, in part, by the alternate selves that he never merged with. (And that as a result, this also left Power Girl unstable.)

And so Superman's shifting origins (via Birthright and Man of Steel) and Power Girl's could be connected.

And here's a thought: Maybe things will be fixed when he absorbs the Golden Age Superman.

I mean, we're seeing and hearing enough Crisis stuff that I might expect Kal-L to make an appearance but then what do you do with him?

He can't realistically stick around in the current set-up.

Sending him back to limbo would lack resolution.

Killing him would be a bummer.

But if Superman merged with him, we could straighten out Superman's origins and end up with some kind of scenario where Superman is, at least spiritually, the first, the original, the veteran.

Whatcha think?

[Deskad]

I had an oddball thought.

Theoretically, after Crisis, everybody merged with their alternate selves, retroactively.

But Superman didn't. Earth-2 Superman is out there somewhere.

Personality wise, post-Crisis Superman has conveyed a lot of great qualities but he's never conveyed that he was the first, the top dog.

Now, I got thinking... Maybe his shifting origins and less secure role in the DCU could be explained, in part, by the alternate selves that he never merged with. (And that as a result, this also left Power Girl unstable.)

And so Superman's shifting origins (via Birthright and Man of Steel) and Power Girl's could be connected.

And here's a thought: Maybe things will be fixed when he absorbs the Golden Age Superman.

I mean, we're seeing and hearing enough Crisis stuff that I might expect Kal-L to make an appearance but then what do you do with him?

He can't realistically stick around in the current set-up.

Sending him back to limbo would lack resolution.

Killing him would be a bummer.

But if Superman merged with him, we could straighten out Superman's origins and end up with some kind of scenario where Superman is, at least spiritually, the first, the original, the veteran.

Whatcha think?


I actually think that is a very interesting I dea

[marshal99]

Who merged with who ?

Batman didn't , Batman of earth 2 died way before the crisis.

Wonder woman didn't , she got turned back to mud and retconned

Green Lantern didn't , they are still different

Flash didn't , they are still different

For all intent and purposes , Golden Age superman never did existed , why would he be merged with current superman ?!

Superman and Batman Was the first hero that came out , see the JLA : year one , see the current Superman/Captain marvel : First thunder and see other comics that have stated so. Don't see where superman origin were unclear and not stated ?

[PatrickG]

Well, in theory, there was an off-panel retroactive merger.

Or more precisely, the earths never diverged as a result of crisis.

So the "energy" of the various Batmen of the multiverse is present in the post-Crisis Batman.

Because that "energy" instead of being spread across infinite Batmen only manifested in the one.

The earth that exists now has the potential energy of the entire pre-Crisis multiverse. It isn't Earth-1, 2, S or X but the single universe that would have been divided into all those universes and more if not for the timeline changes Crisis brought about.

It's the multiverse only it was prevented from separating.

Thing is, Earth-2 Superman out there is one aspect of Superman that still exists courtesy of a time paradox but theoretically, all the Supermen of the multiverse should manifest as the current Superman because their earths never separated at the dawn of time. Earth-2 never existed and the matter that would form Earth-2 is integrated with the matter found in the DCU.

But Earth-2 Superman isn't integrated with his post-Crisis counterpart. So there's a missing element.

Whereas the earth itself is composed of the matter from all the infinite earths only without the vibrational divisions.