JRJR on the sentry

[marvelboy]

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Sentry/JRjrSentry.html


It's official,he is pre-crisis superman on crack

[We R. Venom]

I love JR and will most definately be buying that. I love his art. It always makes the characters have a bit more for me. Like im drawn to them.

[The Shadow]

I'l looking forward to the story... not JRJR's blockhead rendition.

[jadegiant77]

Awesome. I can't wait to read this.just wish Bob would get rid of that goddamn mullet!

[Keith_Martineau]

Love the Sentry. Love J.R. Jr. LOVE those pages, God that has me wishing the first issue came out TODAY.
And I'm extremely pleased that eventually he'll return to Spiderman, as it was his departure that was a huge part of me dropping the title.

[Steve]

Terrax? Cool.

[marvelboy]

do you guys realize what this means?? He stops terrax with one grab....a cosmically powered guy. This proves that his power is truly beyond what we could have imagined

[Kevinroc]

Nice to see some love for The Sentry. Awesome character that he is.

[tricksterpup]

I wonder if Paul Jenkins will be his teen sidekick in this story?

[Doom Hammer]

I wonder if Paul Jenkins will be his teen sidekick in this story?

I was thinking more like the Watchdog.

Paul Jenkins: "Woof woof!"

[G. Wayne]

Love the Sentry. Love J.R. Jr. LOVE those pages, God that has me wishing the first issue came out TODAY.
And I'm extremely pleased that eventually he'll return to Spiderman...

agreed. those pages look fantastic. *drool*

i've had the series pre-ordered at my lcs for some time now. :D

[foxfire]

do you guys realize what this means?? He stops terrax with one grab....a cosmically powered guy. This proves that his power is truly beyond what we could have imagined

I know... looks like this guy really does put all other Marvel heroes to shame in the power department...

[Titan Slade]

It's about time Marvel created a character as powerful as the DC heroes are.

[foxfire]

But I guess you could argue that what makes Marvel's heroes so great is that they're usually NOT as powerful as DC's... I don't know...

[Titan Slade]

But I guess you could argue that what makes Marvel's heroes so great is that they're usually NOT as powerful as DC's... I don't know...

I agree, but it's nice to finally have a Marvel character that can whip the entire JLA's azzes all by himself :D .

[marvelboy]

But I guess you could argue that what makes Marvel's heroes so great is that they're usually NOT as powerful as DC's... I don't know...




Once in a while it's nice to have a powerhouse that can rival the boy in blue and anyone else who tries

[streator]

excellent romita jr. artwork, but i have 0 interest in the sentry, so i will be passing.

[Kirk G]

excellent romita jr. artwork, but i have 0 interest in the sentry, so i will be passing.
I tend to agree, Streator.... I have zero interest in the Sentry, and they can't make me want to go back and buy a $25.00 trade just to find out who this guy is/was.... If it's not explained in this storyline, then forget it.
But, I WILL pick up one issue of JRjr's art.... and maybe all four in the mini if it's good. :rolleyes:

[steve2275]

jr jr kicks serious ass :eek:

[Dark Soul # 7]

do you guys realize what this means?? He stops terrax with one grab....a cosmically powered guy. This proves that his power is truly beyond what we could have imagined
I like how it looks but I´m not really impressed by the Sentry here. So it does not prove that he has power beyond my imagination. When he handles Thanos that easily, I´ll be impressed.

[long pig]

I'd really be a happy pig if Sentry has tons of cosmic adventures. I miss them old Marvel cosmic fights and such, awesomeness.

I agree with Dark, when, if ever, Sentry fights Thanos, then we will know his true power.

[Will.S]

Wow, John Romita's work looks great.

And talk about badass, Sentry just humiliates Terrax. I love the other pages like the one where he just rams through that dude's head clean off and seeing the New Avengers come in after Sentry did his thing. It shows perfectly what people were talking about when they say Sentry could just deal with a threat by himself while the rest of the Avengers play catch up.

Interesting panels with the Void, it seems like he won't be totally gone. Paul writing the Sentry again with John Romita Jr.s awesome pencils...I can't wait for this.

[Gibran]

A character that powerful just has to be interesting... right? :rolleyes:

I predict that within 2-3 years, people will be asking, "What ever happened to that Sentry guy?"

[THE OG GL]

i hate JRJR art it seems so generic jea lee should have kept doing it

[BizarroBeachHead]

JRJR looks pretty cleaned up compared to some of his other stuff here. I'm happy about JRJR doing the mini, but I would like to see Jae Lee doing it again.

[psm]

JRJR looks pretty cleaned up compared to some of his other stuff here. I'm happy about JRJR doing the mini, but I would like to see Jae Lee doing it again.

As much as I like Jae Lee I don't think he would have worked well on this mini. Judging by the pictures it looks more action oriented compared to the first series. JRJr is definitely more suited for that style. By the way does anyone know what Jae is working on now?

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i think it looks great, they should have jae lee do variant covers.

[DDM]

Marvel has several Superman analogues:


Hyperion (from Squadron Supreme)
Hyperion 2 (from Squadron Sinister)
Gladiator (Superboy from Legion of the Super-Heroes)


I'm just puzzled why Marvel would want a major character to be a Superman analogue when Marvel has its own identity. Why would Marvel pattern itself after DC? It does not make any sense.

[marvelboy]

I like how it looks but I´m not really impressed by the Sentry here. So it does not prove that he has power beyond my imagination. When he handles Thanos that easily, I´ll be impressed.



FOr a noncosmic human to stop a former herald of galactus takes real power and to do it so effortlessly means he is alot stronger than most. In the original mini he stalemated galactus

[psm]

Marvel has several Superman analogues:


Hyperion (from Squadron Supreme)
Hyperion 2 (from Squadron Sinister)
Gladiator (Superboy from Legion of the Super-Heroes)




I'm just puzzled why Marvel would want a major character to be a Superman analogue when Marvel has its own identity. Why would Marvel pattern itself after DC? It does not make any sense.

I wouldn't go as far as too say that Marvel is patterning themselves after DC. Yes, there are similarities between the two characters. However, Sentry is definitely more in line with the sensibilities of Marvel. A superhuman that has schizophrenia, agrophobia and marital problems. If that doesn't scream Marvel I don't know what does.

Those other characters you mentioned where never meant to be anything more than Superman knock-offs. They work because they are homages to big blue. Its how Marvel can tell an Elseworld tale like Squadron Surpreme by Mark Gruenwald. You can't do that with Sentry.

[The Shadow]

Sentry is definitely more in line with the sensibilities of Marvel. A superhuman that has schizophrenia, agrophobia and marital problems. If that doesn't scream Marvel I don't know what does.
And don't forget he's an addict as well. He doesn't gets his powers from being an alien or the sun... but because he has an addiction to his syrum.

And he kicked his dog! :( Superman has never kicked Krypto

[DracoMalfoy]

I personally think the Sentry is WAY too powerful. Sure his mental problems are interesting. But as far as fights and comic battles go, there's nothing that would be a threat to him. If he can handle Terrax with such ridiculous ease, there's literally no one on Marvel Earth that can give him a run for his money.

I mean sure that one scene was really cool. But when he keeps doing it over and over again, it's gonna grow sour. He's the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. Noone can supposedly beat him. He's just not an interesting read. He's more of a Superman (powerwise not personalitywise) than Superman himself.

Why he's on a team of mostly street-levelers is beyond me. When the New Avengers start going up against actual credible threats like Nefaria and Ultron they'll be sitting on the sidelines watching Sentry beating the crap out of any opponent they cannot handle.

[Dark Soul # 7]

FOr a noncosmic human to stop a former herald of galactus takes real power and to do it so effortlessly means he is alot stronger than most. In the original mini he stalemated galactus
I´m one of the people who don´t accept the stalemating of Galactus as a fact until I see any real evidence of it.

[Gibran]

Would Thor, Hulk, and the Silver Surfer now be considered 2nd Tier heroes? I mean, since the 1st Tier bar has now been raised to Trans-Galactus-Herald level.

[Titan Slade]

Newsaflash..................................Every superhero is a Superman rip-off, he is afterall the original first superhero ;) .

[Lochdale]

Newsaflash..................................Every superhero is a Superman rip-off, he is afterall the original first superhero ;) .

Heh, don't tell that to Doc. Savage, Conan or the Lone Ranger.

Why can't the MU have a true heavy weight in it? It'll make for an interesting read. Hell, the Surfer could level the entire JLA solo and no-one seems to be bothered by that.

[The Shadow]

Heh, don't tell that to Doc. Savage, Conan or the Lone Ranger.
They were pulp characters like The Shadow, the Phantom and Tarzan

Superman was the first ORIGINAL hero created for the fledgling comic book industry and was published in June 1938.

[StoneGold]

They were pulp characters like The Shadow, the Phantom and Tarzan

Superman was the first ORIGINAL hero created for the fledgling comic book industry and was published in June 1938.
Actually, the Lone Ranger was radio, Phantom was newspaper comic strips.

[marvelboy]

I´m one of the people who don´t accept the stalemating of Galactus as a fact until I see any real evidence of it.


Well there is evidence of him slapping terrax like a baby,so his power is legit.Who know's...maybe we could be looking at a superman prime type of situation. All the power you can have

[literally exaggerated]

I have no problem with the character. just get him off the Avengers. Right now he's so crazy overpowerd that if he just stood there while every other Avenger just wailed on him for like a day, he wouldn't even feel it. the JLA works because every hero on it is super-powerful (except for Batman, whose essentially the brains of the team). Superman isn't even necessarily the strongest. And their enemies are therefore ridiculously powerful too.

That doesn't work here, because the only one at that level is the Sentry. its like if pre-crisis Superman joined the Batfamily. it just makes no sense.

[Doom Hammer]

I have no problem with the character. just get him off the Avengers. Right now he's so crazy overpowerd that if he just stood there while every other Avenger just wailed on him for like a day, he wouldn't even feel it. the JLA works because every hero on it is super-powerful (except for Batman, whose essentially the brains of the team). Superman isn't even necessarily the strongest. And their enemies are therefore ridiculously powerful too.

That doesn't work here, because the only one at that level is the Sentry. its like if pre-crisis Superman joined the Batfamily. it just makes no sense.

We haven't even seen The Sentry on the Avengers yet. He's not part of the team, and we won't know the terms of his membership for a few months.

Until then, how about we all just chill and leave the comments about how it doesn't make sense for when we actually see what we're commenting on? I'm up for that.

[The Shadow]

We haven't even seen The Sentry on the Avengers yet. He's not part of the team, and we won't know the terms of his membership for a few months.

Until then, how about we all just chill and leave the comments about how it doesn't make sense for when we actually see what we're commenting on? I'm up for that.
DAMN YOU and your common sense!

I agree though... we haven't SEEN anything... we only have the mad ramblings of Bob Reynolds from the Senrty mini and the freaky guy Emma was mind melding with.

[Crimson]

I like how he says "Huge Stack" when there are only 10 issues or so with The Sentry in! heh!

JRJR really is one of my favorite artists and he seems like a nice guy. I can't wait for this mini,

[Brian R]

We haven't even seen The Sentry on the Avengers yet. He's not part of the team, and we won't know the terms of his membership for a few months.

Until then, how about we all just chill and leave the comments about how it doesn't make sense for when we actually see what we're commenting on? I'm up for that.

Except that we now have pages that show him to be utterly superior to Terrax... how is that not enough? Sure, its not an NA preview, but as far as we know the new Sentry mini happens around the same time and there is no reason to believe he will be de-powered.

I never had a problem with Thor being on the team because even though he is super-powerful, he still has limits. For instance, Thor doesnt have superspeed, so no matter how strong he is, its impossible for him to take on the Masters of Evil solo, because he would be greatly outnumbered. However, Sentry clearly has superspeed, it was shown in the original mini, so it makes him that much more powerful than Thor, nevermind the fact that he seems to be more poweful all-around too.

I like cosmically powerful characters, Silver Surfer is one of my favorite Marvel heroes, but he wouldnt fit on the Avengers, and neither does Sentry as long as he can take out every foe so easily. I hope they give him his own ongoing and has him leave the team, besides the group dynamic is fine as it is without him.

[Crimson]

Question... why does it ask if he'd consider staying? Sentry is a mini, no?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Well there is evidence of him slapping terrax like a baby,so his power is legit.Who know's...maybe we could be looking at a superman prime type of situation. All the power you can have
Well Terrax is hardly at Galactus level, and beating him is no great whoop. Hulk and Thor has done it to.
And I really don´t think Sentry will become Superman Prime or anything close to that.
IMO Sentry is just about Surfer level.

[The Shadow]

as far as we know the new Sentry mini happens around the same time
How do we know that? Could this happen BEFORE NA?

[Keith_Martineau]

And here I thought comic books were about the characters. Guess I was wrong.
Apparently, I'm supposed to be treating them like sports teams.
We don't want Joe Montana and Jerry Rice on our team because we're more of a running game based offense than passing.

I don't care if the Sentry can take Galactus. Sure, that's cool, but what interests ME is whether or not he DOES take on Galactus, or if he goes and saves a bus full of orphans from being devoured by a huge dog.

[marvelboy]

Well Terrax is hardly at Galactus level, and beating him is no great whoop. Hulk and Thor has done it to.
And I really don´t think Sentry will become Superman Prime or anything close to that.
IMO Sentry is just about Surfer level.


It's not that he beat terrax,it's the way he did which makes him powerful. BTW Surfer level is pretty much God himself so he's in good company. No one know's what level he will be but he is touted as the most powerful Marvel Superhero ever

[StoneGold]

That doesn't work here, because the only one at that level is the Sentry. its like if pre-crisis Superman joined the Batfamily. it just makes no sense.
You never read much World's Finest, did you?

[StoneGold]

Well Terrax is hardly at Galactus level, and beating him is no great whoop. Hulk and Thor has done it to.
.
And it usually takes them a whole mess of effort. The gag here isn't him beating Terrax. It's doing it with all the enthusiasm and effort of taking a leak in the morning.

[marvelboy]

And it usually takes them a whole mess of effort. The gag here isn't him beating Terrax. It's doing it with all the enthusiasm and effort of taking a leak in the morning.



Exactly what I was trying to say before

[Kirk G]

Except that we now have pages that show him to be utterly superior to Terrax... how is that not enough? Sure, its not an NA preview, but as far as we know the new Sentry mini happens around the same time and there is no reason to believe he will be de-powered.

I never had a problem with Thor being on the team because even though he is super-powerful, he still has limits. For instance, Thor doesnt have superspeed, so no matter how strong he is, its impossible for him to take on the Masters of Evil solo, because he would be greatly outnumbered. However, Sentry clearly has superspeed, it was shown in the original mini, so it makes him that much more powerful than Thor, nevermind the fact that he seems to be more poweful all-around too.

I like cosmically powerful characters, Silver Surfer is one of my favorite Marvel heroes, but he wouldnt fit on the Avengers, and neither does Sentry as long as he can take out every foe so easily. I hope they give him his own ongoing and has him leave the team, besides the group dynamic is fine as it is without him.

Though I loved Jack Kirby's Silver Surfer (especially as he drew him, not the way Stan Lee then wrote him, contrary to the artwork in FF #49...) I was not a big fan of his solo series volume 1. The first 8 issues were all religious parables and double sized overly dramatic and the last 9-18 were all attempts at mainstream superhero-ing him.

I think the first 8 worked somewhat, but became boring after a while. and the last 10 were tiresome attemps with lesser artists.

I never thought he fit in a team, and so, never understood why he was included in the defenders.... let alone why the defenders ever existed in the first place. But that's just IMHO.

[Crimson]

How do we know that? Could this happen BEFORE NA?

Well the art did feature a few of the New Avengers... so who knows.

[BizarroBeachHead]

How do we know that? Could this happen BEFORE NA?
Well, I don't know about the scene we see there, but Jenkins has stated that the mini takes place AFTER Sentry is fixed in New Avengers. He assigned Bendis the job of bringing the Sentry back. Jenkins just wanted Sentry to be back so he could write stories about him.

I love the Sentry because of how enthusiastic Jenkins is about him. If I recal correctly, he had pitched this character YEARS before the original mini appeared and it never really flew. I'm glad he's finally getting to write the stories he wants to write with this character.

The appeal of the character has very little to do with his powers. These are stories that couldn't be told using Superman or Hyperion or any other analog of Superman. If they could, Jenkins would have already done them with Superman(he's been offered the book before).

I'll see if I can find the newsarama interview where I heard all this.

[Smarty Jones]

"It's not that he beat terrax,it's the way he did which makes him powerful. BTW Surfer level is pretty much God himself so he's in good company. No one know's what level he will be but he is touted as the most powerful Marvel Superhero ever."

Which is why I am nauseated by The Sentry. He's a character built up on hype, not performance. Quite frankly, he's done nothing to warrant this incessant praise. Add in the "he's been in Marvel all this time" promotion, a la Triumph of The JLA, and it's overbearing.

BTW, when did Terrax come back from the dead, with his full complement of Galactus-spawned powers to boot? I remember him dying years ago in a Fantastic Four arc where his body was consumed by channeling a fraction of the power cosmic. And even then, why would he be attacking some plant like a common tool?

"It's about time Marvel created a character as powerful as the DC heroes are."

I would say Thor, The Silver Surfer, Quasar, Phoenix, Photon, Doctor Strange and others are/were arguably as powerful as any hero DC has produced. It's somewhat of a misconception, based on the fact that most of DC's most powerful heroes are also among the highest on the food chain. That, and DC's villains generally aren't as overpowering vs. the heroes as Marvel's villains are vs. the heroes.

[Smarty Jones]

"FOr a noncosmic human to stop a former herald of galactus takes real power and to do it so effortlessly means he is alot stronger than most. In the original mini he stalemated galactus."

Care to show us the panels where The Sentry is fighting Galactus to a stalemate? You can't, because there isn't one. Just a offhand reference made that overzealous fans have taken as gospel.

Again, another example of what makes The Sentry is so nauseating. We're led to believe a guy drinks a serum out of a laboratory vial in 1960s Silver Ages fashion and suddenly he's on the same level with near-omnipotent universal forces. I know he was created in the spirit of the Silver Ages, but it's a little too ridiculous to take.

[pesmerga316]

ummmmmmm fyi in the last issue of avengers it implied that he did not get his powers from a serum and that those memories are false, Emma kept saying they looked way off and more like a comic book then real

[Smarty Jones]

"ummmmmmm fyi in the last issue of avengers it implied that he did not get his powers from a serum and that those memories are false, Emma kept saying they looked way off and more like a comic book then real."

Until it's actually stated, then the canon is that The Sentry's powers were derived from drinking the serum that led to his current mental state. When the canon changes, that's something different.

[Kevinroc]

Smarty, did you even read the original Sentry mini?

[marvelboy]

Until it's actually stated, then the canon is that The Sentry's powers were derived from drinking the serum that led to his current mental state. When the canon changes, that's something different.




Here is something that has been stated by JRJR in an interview on newsarama. Sentry will be the most powerful hero in Marvel and his power is designed to be elite. DC hero's are more powerful....it's just a known fact.

[Gingold]

JR Jr sure mentioned Thor a lot in the interview...

[Smarty Jones]

"Here is something that has been stated by JRJR in an interview on newsarama. Sentry will be the most powerful hero in Marvel and his power is designed to be elite. DC hero's are more powerful....it's just a known fact."

1.) Well, until The Sentry actually DOES something instead of being a third-party reference and the rallying point of overzealous supporters, then it remains to be seen. I'm sorry, but he has to go a long way to beat The Silver Surfer, who I consider to be the most powerful conventional superhero in comics.

2.) I disagree about DC's heroes being more powerful. The difference between Marvel's heroes and DC's is that DC's big-name powerhouses are higher in their respective food chain.

When common people associated heroes with "Marvel," the first ones they think of include Spider-Man, Captain America, Wolverine, The Hulk and several others. Save for The Hulk, all the other ones are not what you would call powerhouses. The Silver Surfer, Thor (who is now dead), Quasar, Phoenix, etc. are not the first ones that roll off people's lips.

Conversely, when you ask people to commonly name heroes associated with DC you generally get Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, The Flash, Green Lantern, etc. Save for Batman, all of these characters are powerhouses. But looking beyond the big names, and you generally see the likes of Green Arrow, Hawkman, The Atom, etc.

[Smarty Jones]

"Smarty, did you even read the original Sentry mini?"

You know, I personally dislike this method of trying to discredit those who disagree with a viewpoint.

Yes, I read "The Sentry." Apparently unlike some of the people on this thread, I was not overly impressed with it.

[Kevinroc]

You know, I personally dislike this method of trying to discredit those who disagree with a viewpoint.

Yes, I read "The Sentry." Apparently unlike some of the people on this thread, I was not overly impressed with it.

I already posted this but let me post this again.

The Sentry is a meta-commentary on the comics industry. The bright shiny hero overwhelmed by darkness (The Void). You know this is true because The Sentry literally does glow. The Void as a threat to the universe? Come on, totally commentary on the comics industry when grim-n-gritty threatened to overtake everything.

When The Sentry first shows up in New Avengers, the first thing he does is destroy Carnage (I know about Bendis mixing up Carnage's powers but right now I'm just talking about the symbolism).

You're not looking at The Sentry as the metaphor that he is.

[marvelboy]

1.) Well, until The Sentry actually DOES something instead of being a third-party reference and the rallying point of overzealous supporters, then it remains to be seen. I'm sorry, but he has to go a long way to beat The Silver Surfer, who I consider to be the most powerful conventional superhero in comics.

2.) I disagree about DC's heroes being more powerful. The difference between Marvel's heroes and DC's is that DC's big-name powerhouses are higher in their respective food chain.

When common people associated heroes with "Marvel," the first ones they think of include Spider-Man, Captain America, Wolverine, The Hulk and several others. Save for The Hulk, all the other ones are not what you would call powerhouses. The Silver Surfer, Thor (who is now dead), Quasar, Phoenix, etc. are not the first ones that roll off people's lips.

Conversely, when you ask people to commonly name heroes associated with DC you generally get Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, The Flash, Green Lantern, etc. Save for Batman, all of these characters are powerhouses. But looking beyond the big names, and you generally see the likes of Green Arrow, Hawkman, The Atom, etc.


Yeah well Thor a god still lost to superman.......not exactly a ringing endorsement for Marvel's powerhouses,Hulk also lost to superman.

[Smarty Jones]

"I already posted this but let me post this again."

AND? Hell, Colossus destroyed Proteus, a mutant much more powerful than Carnage.

I know The Sentry has been hyped up (notice the emphasis on the word) as this ultra-powerful Superman analog, but I haven't seen anything to be impressed beyond third-party references. Given the bar that's been established with other characters and The Sentry's overly ambitious promotion, isn't it time he did something beyond receive a lot of third-party praise?

[marvelboy]

the only promotion to come about the sentry is from Marvel themselves which includes Paul Jenkins,Joe Quesada and currently John Romita JR. and since they are the writers and artists who control the charactor. Then they are the ones that decide how powerful he is going to be.

The Sentry is a concept of Paul Jenkins that originally was designed for hourman where he would have unlimted power in conjuction with an unstable mindset. DC would not approve of it for hourman or superman especially since he is their crown jewel and cannot be seen in a negative light.

Fans here are only taking what they heard from Marvel and company on what the sentry is going to be in terms of power and fascinated by it. IMO I hope they make him like Superman Prime just so that it aggravates people.

[Smarty Jones]

"Yeah well Thor a god still lost to superman.......not exactly a ringing endorsement for Marvel's powerhouses,Hulk also lost to superman."

Oh, please. You're citing trans-company crossovers (which tend to have back-office compromises) as a reference point? I can buy Superman beating The Hulk because The Hulk is nothing more than pure muscle, but Thor has Superman's strength, stamina and limited invulnerability plus thousands of years of fighting experience.

Kindly forget that Marvel also has boasted incredibly powerful beings like Phoenix, The Silver Surfer, Black Bolt, Quasar, Photon and other numerous powerhouses over the years. The difference is the heroes associated with DC are the powerhouses -- which is different from DC's heroes being more powerful in general.

[Brian R]

I know The Sentry has been hyped up (notice the emphasis on the word) as this ultra-powerful Superman analog, but I haven't seen anything to be impressed beyond third-party references.

Not to nitpick, but you dont find him bitch-slapping Terrax impressive? Even if Terrax was at half of his old power levels, to defeat him so effortlessly would still be quite impressive, dont you think?

[Kevinroc]

AND? Hell, Colossus destroyed Proteus, a mutant much more powerful than Carnage.

I know The Sentry has been hyped up (notice the emphasis on the word) as this ultra-powerful Superman analog, but I haven't seen anything to be impressed beyond third-party references. Given the bar that's been established with other characters and The Sentry's overly ambitious promotion, isn't it time he did something beyond receive a lot of third-party praise?

It's not his power levels that matter. The story isn't about his power.

If you read the post and didn't understand how The Sentry is a meta-commentary on comics, you obviously didn't understand the story or the character.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Yeah well Thor a god still lost to superman.......not exactly a ringing endorsement for Marvel's powerhouses,Hulk also lost to superman.


Considering that DC has always made a point of magic being abnle to hurt Superman, wouldn't he have a very diffucult time fighting a god? True he could have won but how hard did it hurt him?

[Smarty Jones]

"the only promotion to come about the sentry is from Marvel themselves which includes Paul Jenkins,Joe Quesada and currently John Romita JR. and since they are the writers and artists who control the charactor. Then they are the ones that decide how powerful he is going to be."

Having characters quote in third-party references about The Sentry "fighting Galactus to a stalemate" is an example of what I am talking about. It's almost too ridiculous to take on face value, which a lot of people have done wholeheartedly.

[Smarty Jones]

"It's not his power levels that matter. The story isn't about his power.

If you read the post and didn't understand how The Sentry is a meta-commentary on comics, you obviously didn't understand the story or the character."

I read it, and I wasn't IMPRESSED. That's merely your opinion of trying to take a concept and trying to elevate into something more with psychoanalysis.

Again, if the only retort you have for someone not being impressed with The Sentry is attacking his or her credibility, what does that say about you?

[Smarty Jones]

"Not to nitpick, but you dont find him bitch-slapping Terrax impressive? Even if Terrax was at half of his old power levels, to defeat him so effortlessly would still be quite impressive, dont you think?"

Not really, when it requires jobbing and PIS.

[Kevinroc]

I read it, and I wasn't IMPRESSED. That's merely your opinion of trying to take a concept and trying to elevate into something more with psychoanalysis.

Again, if the only retort you have for someone not being impressed with The Sentry is attacking their credibility, what does that say about you?

Where did I attack your credibility?

All I said was you didn't understand the story if you think it is all about the power levels. It's not. It never was. Being unimpressed with the mini is fine and all.

But if you think The Sentry's power levels are all that matters, I think you're wrong.

And how am I wrong? It's pretty clear what the mini was about. The Sentry was a bright and shiny hero (he even glowed) who fought against The Void. The Void was a darkness that threatened to overwhelm the universe.

It's a meta-commentary on the darkness that overwhelmed the comics industry during the Grim-N-Gritty era.

The Sentry could have been a guy powerful enough to defend a neighborhood but as long as The Void existed, it would have been about the same thing.

[marvelboy]

Not really, when it requires jobbing and PIS.



well ok then,since you seem to know it all...mind telling all us simple folk how powerful the sentry will be

[Dark Soul # 7]

No one know's what level he will be but he is touted as the most powerful Marvel Superhero ever
That´s my beef with the character. Everybody keeps saying that he is the most powerful superhero ever without any real proof.
The Terrax thing is pretty impressive but it´s not anything special.

[Kevinroc]

That´s my beef with the character. Everybody keeps saying that he is the most powerful superhero ever without any real proof.
The Terrax thing is pretty impressive but it´s not anything special.

Are power levels all you care about?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Are power levels all you care about?
Nope, but he doesn´t intrest me in any other way either, but the power-thing annoys me the most.
For me he´s just one of those characters that I don´t like for no reason. You all have one or two characters like this, so don´t give me any looks.

[Kevinroc]

Nope, but he doesn´t intrest me in any other way either, but the power-thing annoys me the most.
For me he´s just one of those characters that I don´t like for no reason. You all have one or two characters like this, so don´t give me any looks.

I either have my reasons for not liking a character or are indifferent to the character. I don't hate a character for no reason.

If you let the power thing annoy you, you need to take a step back. Don't worry about it. Just ignore it. Don't try to start any kind of flame war or a "he ain't so powerful" kind of thing.

[Smarty Jones]

"Are power levels all you care about?"

No, it's not. However, your comments are backhanded knocks on people's credibility. Telling people "If you don't understand what I said, you really don't understand The Sentry" is a knock on a person's judgment. Saying comments like the one suggesting Dark Soul # 7 bases a comic book character's worth on superficial reasons can be seen as such, as well.

The Sentry is a Superman analog who is reputed to be incredibly powerful based on third-party acknowledgements, not necessarily by his actions. He's also mentally unhinged, both a consequence of the serum that gave him his powers and what he feels is his responsibility.

Any other metaphors you use to make parallels are basically metaphors you came up with for your own convenience.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I either have my reasons for not liking a character or are indifferent to the character. I don't hate a character for no reason.

If you let the power thing annoy you, you need to take a step back. Don't worry about it. Just ignore it. Don't try to start any kind of flame war or a "he ain't so powerful" kind of thing.
You´re right.
I get carried away with this when I´ve said to myself that I wouldn´t do that. But I´m not the only one who does it.
This´ll be the last post from me on this thread.

[Kevinroc]

No, it's not. However, your comments are backhanded knocks on people's credibility. Telling people "If you don't understand what I said, you really don't understand The Sentry" is a knock on a person's judgment. Saying comments like the one suggesting Dark Soul # 7 bases a comic book character's worth on superficial reasons can be seen as such, as well.

The Sentry is a Superman analog who is reputed to be incredibly powerful based on third-party acknowledgements, not necessarily by his actions. He's also mentally unhinged, both a consequence of the serum that gave him his powers and what he feels is his responsibility.

Any other metaphors you use to make parallels are basically metaphors you came up with for your own convenience.

It's not just me, you know. A number of people feel that The Sentry is a metacommentary.

I don't think I insulted anyone. Dark Soul #7 understood clearly what I said and wasn't insulted.

The bright and shiny Sentry is the only one who can stand against the darkness of The Void. A creature that nearly destroyed Spidey, Hulk, The Fantastic Four and The Avengers.

Why? Because they were also powerless against the grim-n-gritty era of comics. It overwhelmed the industry.

[Smarty Jones]

"Nope, but he doesn´t intrest me in any other way either, but the power-thing annoys me the most.
For me he´s just one of those characters that I don´t like for no reason. You all have one or two characters like this, so don´t give me any looks."

What annoys me about The Sentry is a couple of things:

1.) The overly optimistic appraisal of his abilities, especially when he hasn't done anything to deserve such praise;

2.) The notion that he's always been a fixture in the Marvel Universe, in the manner that Triumph supposedly is in the DC Universe.

The first statement is a byproduct of fanfare from various supporters (be it "The Sentry" miniseries, New Avengers/Brian Michael Bendis fans). It does make one nauseous when people are saying "The Sentry is way more powerful than Thor" or "If he's depowered, then he'll come down to The Silver Surfer's level." Given what we have seen from both of these characters -- and arguably they are the toughest, most powerful superheroes in the business, IMO -- that's saying a lot.

The problem is that there hasn't been any demonstration of The Sentry doing anything that impressive to warrant such distinction. The fly in my ointment is that line in his miniseries where he "fought Galactus to a stalemate." People have taken that line to town, which makes it even more ridiculous when you think that we're talking about a man who took a serum that gave him superhero powers (in pure Silver Age fashion) and suddenly he's allegedly on par with universal forces of nature.

The second statement is self-explanatory. I'm not a fan of retroactive characters, especially one who is cited as an allegedly influential person in Marvel's history. That and the convenient answer of everyone on Earth (and apparently, the rest of the Marvel Universe) not remembering who he was just sounds too far fetched. I would like to find out if entities such as The Watcher, Eternity and especially Galactus remember The Sentry.

I likely would not find the concept of a forgetten superhero so unbelievable, save The Sentry is positioned as automatically going to the top of the Marvel food chain out the box.

And yes, I don't find his abilities so special or unique to where he should be overly praised. He's basically a Superman analog, and Marvel has a lot of supercharacters who have exactly those abilities or scaled-down version of those abilities. Maybe if he had some unique abilities that set him apart from the Hyperions, Gladiators, Count Nefarias, Wonder Mans or even Rogues -- or just new and unique abilities, PERIOD -- I would care more.

[Smarty Jones]

"It's not just me, you know. A number of people feel that The Sentry is a metacommentary."

Emphasis on the word "feel," which is expressing a personal opinion. Just because you find a few other people who share the same opinion doesn't mean it's a fact. Again, YOUR opinion based on something you FEEL The Sentry represents, something more than what is presented.

"The bright and shiny Sentry is the only one who can stand against the darkness of The Void. A creature that nearly destroyed Spidey, Hulk, The Fantastic Four and The Avengers.

Why? Because they were also powerless against the grim-n-gritty era of comics. It overwhelmed the industry."

Well, if that's the case the The Sentry's first book should be D.O.A. That "commentary" has lost its bite with books like "Avengers Disassembled," "Identity Crisis," "Sins Past" and "Countdown" now in the forefront.

[Kevinroc]

Emphasis on the word "feel," which is expressing a personal opinion. Just because you find a few other people who share the same opinion doesn't mean it's a fact. Again, YOUR opinion based on something you FEEL The Sentry represents, something more than what is presented.

You're one to talk on this subject.

Well, if that's the case the The Sentry's first book should be D.O.A. That "commentary" has lost its bite with books like "Avengers Disassembled," "Identity Crisis," "Sins Past" and "Countdown" now in the forefront.

I'd say we need The Sentry now more than ever to comment on the current crop of Countdown style books.

What better time for The Void to come back?

[prismablue]

Johns last six issues of Wolverine were his best work since man without fear. I was hoping he'd do a more classic character next than the sentry, but the preview art looks really good. One Day he and Al williamson or Klaus janson will return to Daredevil and show everyone how that book should be done.

[The Shadow]

Well, I don't know about the scene we see there, but Jenkins has stated that the mini takes place AFTER Sentry is fixed in New Avengers.
Ah!

Cool. I don't read a lot of interviews or solicits... I like the surprise when I read the comics.

[Shellhead]

They were pulp characters like The Shadow, the Phantom and Tarzan

Superman was the first ORIGINAL hero created for the fledgling comic book industry and was published in June 1938.

Superman, the Man of Steel was somewhat influenced by Doc Savage, the Man of Bronze. Doc had a Fortress of Solitude long before Superman did, for one thing. However, most of the inspiration for Superman came from a book called Gladiator, written by Phillip Wylie in 1932.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0803298404/102-1516607-1767316?v=glance

[The Shadow]

Superman, the Man of Steel was somewhat influenced by Doc Savage, the Man of Bronze. Doc had a Fortress of Solitude long before Superman did, for one thing. However, most of the inspiration for Superman came from a book called Gladiator, written by Phillip Wylie in 1932.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0803298404/102-1516607-1767316?v=glance
Superman definatly had his influences... like Zorro was a huge influence on Batman... but Superman was CREATED for the comics... not adapted!

Thanks for the link... looks interesting!

[Smarty Jones]

"The bright and shiny Sentry is the only one who can stand against the darkness of The Void. A creature that nearly destroyed Spidey, Hulk, The Fantastic Four and The Avengers."

I personally don't see what's so "bright and shiny" about a character who allegedly is insane and apparently is so out of whack that he murders his opponents.

Maybe we just have different ideas of "bright and shiny."

[Kevinroc]

I personally don't see what's so "bright and shiny" about a character who allegedly is insane and apparently is so out of whack that he murders his opponents.

Maybe we just have different ideas of "bright and shiny."

I call him "bright and shiny" because of his golden aura. And he's in direct contrast to The Void.

Really, it's not at all that complicated.

[Will.S]

What annoys me about The Sentry is a couple of things:

1.) The overly optimistic appraisal of his abilities, especially when he hasn't done anything to deserve such praise;

The first statement is a byproduct of fanfare from various supporters (be it "The Sentry" miniseries, New Avengers/Brian Michael Bendis fans). It does make one nauseous when people are saying "The Sentry is way more powerful than Thor" or "If he's depowered, then he'll come down to The Silver Surfer's level." Given what we have seen from both of these characters -- and arguably they are the toughest, most powerful superheroes in the business, IMO -- that's saying a lot.

The problem is that there hasn't been any demonstration of The Sentry doing anything that impressive to warrant such distinction. The fly in my ointment is that line in his miniseries where he "fought Galactus to a stalemate." People have taken that line to town, which makes it even more ridiculous when you think that we're talking about a man who took a serum that gave him superhero powers (in pure Silver Age fashion) and suddenly he's allegedly on par with universal forces of nature.
Ah so we're back to this again.

I suppose you want more proof of Sentry's power levels when he's fully integrated into the team, that I can understand. BUT there's more than enough shown from his recent outings as well as the mini (which is canon btw) that gauge his power level to be in the upper echelons of Marvel's superheroes.

[Smarty Jones]

"Ah so we're back to this again.

I suppose you want more proof of Sentry's power levels when he's fully integrated into the team, that I can understand. BUT there's more than enough shown from his recent outings as well as the mini (which is canon btw) that gauge his power level to be in the upper echelons of Marvel's superheroes."

I have a much greater issue with this:

"2.) The notion that he's always been a fixture in the Marvel Universe as one of its founding members, in the manner that Triumph supposedly is in the DC Universe."

To quote another CBR member on this subject:

Look, guys, it's pretty obvious where Smarty Jones is coming from.

I agree with him... to introduce a brand new character, and retroactively make him the Superman of his universe for several decades... it's cheapening. It really is cheapening. It completely changes the nature of the Marvel Universe... it means that the Infinity Gauntlet, the Infinity War, Galactus' first appearance on Earth... everything that came before Sentry (the comic)... is cheapened. It's like when you retcon a story - the initial story loses value. Well, Marvel just essentially retconned it's entire universe pre-Sentry.

What does Sentry mean to Dr. Doom? to Magneto? to Thanos? to Onslaught? to the Silver Surfer? to Galactus? to Thor?

At the end of the day, people love these characters. People don't want to see them suddenly punked down the totem pole by a Johnny-Come-Lately... especially retroactively.

In one sense, Sentry is just another case of making Galactus look like a pansy. In DC, you guys normally get upset with the handling of Jobberseid... well, why aren't you upset with the handling of Jobberlactus? I, for one, am tried of seeing Galactus looking bad. A human who got his powers from a serum can stalemate Galactus? What does that say about Galactus?

Sentry has a post-crisis Superman analogy is fine with me. In fact, you can even put him on an even playing field with Thor, and the Silver Surfer. But stalemating Galactus... retroactively? That's just cheap. Very, very cheap."

THAT is what galls me about The Sentry. The idea this character always has been in existence and the depth of his retconned interactions have major implications on the Marvel Universe.

[pesmerga316]

ok another demonstration of inderect power

look at all the heros that The Void curb stomped with no effort in NA 9, freaking Black Bolt and Namor were there, those aren't lightweights especially black bolt, but they coulnd't do ****

[Smarty Jones]

"ok another demonstration of inderect power

look at all the heros that The Void curb stomped with no effort in NA 9, freaking Black Bolt and Namor were there, those aren't lightweights especially black bolt, but they coulnd't do ****."

Let's shift this argument to the implications of accepting The Sentry as-is into the Marvel Universe -- namely, making him a founding member of the company's core characters who participated in core events. There are huge implications for bringing in The Sentry on face value.

[tricksterpup]

Let's shift this argument to the implications of accepting The Sentry as-is into the Marvel Universe -- namely, making him a founding member of the company's core characters who participated in core events. There are huge implications for bringing in The Sentry on face value.
True, but i am sure we will find out he was one of the original members of the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Five and X-men.

[Smarty Jones]

"True, but i am sure we will find out he was one of the original members of the Avengers, Defenders, Fantastic Five and X-men."

There's no point being sarcastic.

If you're accepting The Sentry purely on face value (i.e. "The Sentry" miniseries), he is one of the founding Marvel superheroes who had a role in the unfolding history of the company's early adventures. Does anyone else not see the problems with the implications that The Sentry always has been there?

[Kevinroc]

There's no point being sarcastic.

If you're accepting The Sentry purely on face value (i.e. "The Sentry" miniseries), he is one of the founding Marvel superheroes who had a role in the unfolding history of the company's early adventures. Does anyone else not see the problems with the implications that The Sentry always has been there?

What problems? Why is The Sentry such a sticking point to you? Honestly, in the other thread, the posters there pretty much explained what you needed to know.

[Smarty Jones]

"What problems? Why is The Sentry such a sticking point to you? Honestly, in the other thread, the posters there pretty much explained what you needed to know."

So in other words, you have no problems with the idea of a retroactive founding member of Marvel who took part in foundation-forming events?

What makes the introduction of The Sentry any different from the events in "Sins Past" or "Identity Crisis," events I believe you weighed on and did not have a care for?

[Kevinroc]

So in other words, you have no problems with the idea of a retroactive founding member of Marvel who took part in foundation-forming events?

What makes the introduction of The Sentry any different from the events in "Sins Past" or "Identity Crisis," events I believe you weighed on and did not have a care for?

We had an arguement about me liking Sins Past but that's a different story.

Okay, comparing these events, I see nothing that casts any character in an un-heroic light because of The Sentry. I don't view any Marvel character in a less heroic light because of The Sentry.

How is it you can compare The Sentry's stories to other stories like that? Where in The Sentry's story do we see any other Marvel character in a more negative light? Where were the heroes not acting like heroes?

[Smarty Jones]

"We had an arguement about me liking Sins Past but that's a different story.

Okay, comparing these events, I see nothing that casts any character in an un-heroic light because of The Sentry. I don't view any Marvel character in a less heroic light because of The Sentry.

How is it you can compare The Sentry's stories to other stories like that? Where in The Sentry's story do we see any other Marvel character in a more negative light? Where were the heroes not acting like heroes?"

The events in "Sins Past" impact a significant story in the Marvel Universe -- the death of Gwen Stacy. The introduction of The Sentry as a character who has been around since the beginning of the Marvel Universe impacts everything about the history of Marvel's stories.

Just like you're operating on the assumption that Gwen Stacy had children with Norman Osborn, you now have to operate under the assumption that when The Avengers, Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four and The Hulk came into being so did The Sentry.

Are you saying that stating The Sentry was a hero alongside the aforementioned and stating he was doing things along the level of standing down a character the magnitude of Galactus has no bearing on the way the Marvel Universe's past should be viewed now? That's a MAJOR retcon, with far more significant implications than your comparison with Jessica Jones on the Rumbles board.

[Kevinroc]

The events in "Sins Past" impact a significant story in the Marvel Universe -- the death of Gwen Stacy. The introduction of The Sentry as a character who has been around since the beginning of the Marvel Universe impacts everything about the history of Marvel's stories.

Just like you're operating on the assumption that Gwen Stacy had children with Norman Osborn, you now have to operate under the assumption that when The Avengers, Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four and The Hulk came into being so did The Sentry.

Are you saying that stating The Sentry was a hero alongside the aforementioned and stating he was doing things along the level of standing down a character the magnitude of Galactus has no bearing on the way the Marvel Universe's past should be viewed now? That's a MAJOR retcon, with far more significant implications than your comparison with Jessica Jones on the Rumbles board.

It was kind of the point that The Sentry was there from basically the start of the Marvel Universe (the introduction of the Fantastic Four).

But I still don't see how this changes our view of the history of the Marvel Universe. Yeah, there was another very powerful super hero around that had to go away because of The Void.

The Sentry's story is a tragedy and the nature of the Marvel universe is strong enough to support such a character. Are you suggesting that the Marvel Universe is so weak that we know absolutely everything that happened on every single calender day and any kind of thing that shows that there are stories we missed ruin the very nature of the Marvel Universe?

So stories like Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Thor Blood Oath, Spider-Man/ Human Torch shouldn't exist then because they tell us details about Marvel history that we didn't know before? Do they totally ruin the Marvel Universe?

[Smarty Jones]

"It was kind of the point that The Sentry was there from basically the start of the Marvel Universe (the introduction of the Fantastic Four).

But I still don't see how this changes our view of the history of the Marvel Universe. Yeah, there was another very powerful super hero around that had to go away because of The Void.

The Sentry's story is a tragedy and the nature of the Marvel universe is strong enough to support such a character. Are you suggesting that the Marvel Universe is so weak that we know absolutely everything that happened on every single calender day and any kind of thing that shows that there are stories we missed ruin the very nature of the Marvel Universe?

So stories like Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Thor Blood Oath, Spider-Man/ Human Torch shouldn't exist then because they tell us details about Marvel history that we didn't know before? Do they totally ruin the Marvel Universe?"

C'mon, now, let's not be preposterous. The last two paragraphs are strawman arguments. It's not the matter of The Sentry just being a character who was from the past and awoken, a la Apocalypse or even Captain America. The premise is that The Sentry played an ACTIVE role in the Marvel Universe's foundation and in MAJOR events, to boot.

I'm sorry, fighting Galactus is a bigger detail than "any kind of thing that shows that there are stories we missed." That's a galactic-level event, one with major implications -- and you're expecting everyone to overlook it. Being a character who came about in the emergence of superheroes is more than a footnote. This is not a matter of a "hidden" story like "Spider-Man: Blue" that builds upon an existing foundation. We're talking major, fundamental changes in the history of the Marvel Universe.

I don't consider anything about The Sentry's history tragic, because there has to be a sense of a great loss for it to be tragic. In fact, it's insulting to state that this character was a major core of the history of Marvel and wave off questions as "Well, no one remembers." Apparently, none of the cosmic entities in Marvel remembered as well, which is about the only way that logic makes sense (I would imagine characters like Galactus, Eternity or The Watcher would have made mention of "the human who stood down Galactus" over the past three-plus decades).

It's one thing if Marvel wanted to create some all-powerful Superman analog or create a cosmic being with vast new powers. But the whole retroactive motive as if The Sentry always has been an intrinsic part of the Marvel landscape cheapens it instead of enhancing it.

[marvelboy]

Seriously,can some of you get over yourselves and just accept it that the Sentry is gonna be a major player. Don't like how it is being handled?? then too bad

[Kevinroc]

C'mon, now, let's not be preposterous. The last two paragraphs are strawman arguments. It's not the matter of The Sentry just being a character who was from the past and awoken, a la Apocalypse or even Captain America. The premise is that The Sentry played an ACTIVE role in the Marvel Universe's foundation and in MAJOR events, to boot.

I'm sorry, fighting Galactus is a bigger detail than "any kind of thing that shows that there are stories we missed." That's a galactic-level event, one with major implications -- and you're expecting everyone to overlook it. Being a character who came about in the emergence of superheroes is more than a footnote. This is not a matter of a "hidden" story like "Spider-Man: Blue" that builds upon an existing foundation. We're talking major, fundamental changes in the history of the Marvel Universe.

I don't consider anything about The Sentry's history tragic, because there has to be a sense of a great loss for it to be tragic. In fact, it's insulting to state that this character was a major core of the history of Marvel and wave off questions as "Well, no one remembers." Apparently, none of the cosmic entities in Marvel remembered as well, which is about the only way that logic makes sense (I would imagine characters like Galactus, Eternity or The Watcher would have made mention of "the human who stood down Galactus" over the past three-plus decades).

It's one thing if Marvel wanted to create some all-powerful Superman analog or create a cosmic being with vast new powers. But the whole retroactive motive as if The Sentry always has been an intrinsic part of the Marvel landscape cheapens it instead of enhancing it.

Wasn't there a Fantastic Four story that Erik Larsen and a few others did a few years back that took place in early Marvel continuity that had Doom stealing Galactus' powers?

It was called Fantastic Four: The World's Greatest Comic Magazine. And nobody refers to that event. But according to you, it should be a huge, sweeping event that everybody from The Watchers to Eternity to Galactus should still be talking about.

So how does The Sentry cheapen and totally ruin Marvel's landscape?

And coming from you, who has ignored practically everything that has been discussed about The Sentry, I don't think I should be accused of making a straw man arguement.

Your entire attitude about the Terrax situation (such as blatently ignoring other people explaining Terrax's continuity and how the Terrax that first fought the New Warriors was significantly weaker than the real thing) is a good example of you hating The Sentry just for the sake of hating The Sentry.

[Arrjay]

Awesome. I can't wait to read this.just wish Bob would get rid of that goddamn mullet!

Yeah. I agree. The short hair is much more flattering.