Hulk officially the strongest in Marvel

[marvelboy]

With Juggernaut powers keep getting cut off he is no longer hulk's equal. Of all Hulk's enemies to me he is the only one who really could trade blow for blow and keep giving as good as he got. But now with his powers makinh him as strong and durable as colossus he is not on that level anymore.

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[chicorage]

"Hulk officially the strongest in Marvel". That's been widely accepted for a very long time, since it always meant in raw physical strength. Juggernaut at his very best could not compete with the Hulk in the pure strength department. The reason these two were such a good match was because of Juggy's invulnerability. The Hulk simply couldn't hurt him no matter how mad he got (of course juggy never killed betty which could of sent him off the deep). On the other hand Juggernaut could hurt Hulk for awhile until his healing factor was at full speed.

[marvelboy]

actually Juggernaut never had his limit tested,remember that he is powered by an external source. Hulk was powered by gamma radiation and anger which an energy source. Juggernaut was powered by the elder god cyttorak who was basically a part of an entire universe called the crimson cosmos. Like the Hulk,both have never been actually measured in terms of physical strength

[foxfire]

Like the Hulk,both have never been actually measured in terms of physical strength

you cant really measure the Hulk's strength, can you? Because of the whole "madder he gets, the stronger he gets." And isnt Abomination stronger than baseline Hulk?

[Dark Soul # 7]

you cant really measure the Hulk's strength, can you? Because of the whole "madder he gets, the stronger he gets." And isnt Abomination stronger than baseline Hulk?
Alot of people are stronger than baseline Hulk. Abomanation at his 2x100 strength-level, Thanos, Gladiator, Titannus, Kurse, the Destroyer armor, Sentry and a few others I can´t think of at the moment.

[marshal99]

In the past , Sasquatch was actually stronger than baseline hulk as shown in Hulk Annual 8 but as hulk get angrier , that rapidly changed of course.

[Steve]

I like that pic by Garney. Let's blow it up shall we?

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Question: Juggy has a forcefield surrounding him right? How was Hulk able to knock off Juggy's helmet so easily in this issue?

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Juggy's taken worse from Greenskin before no? Was it bad writing? Or did Juggy have an on/off switch and realized he left it off? lol

[Grammaton Cleric]

Actually Abomination used to be twice the baseline strength of the Hulk - as of now he no longer is - which is why he gets beaten so badly all the time. I saw a great clip in another thread where it showed that Thanos would actually avoid getting into a fight with the Hulk.
Also like the Juggernaut the Hulk's power also derives from an alternative universe called a "pocket" universe.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Actually Abomination used to be twice the baseline strength of the Hulk - as of now he no longer is - which is why he gets beaten so badly all the time. I saw a great clip in another thread where it showed that Thanos would actually avoid getting into a fight with the Hulk.
Also like the Juggernaut the Hulk's power also derives from an alternative universe called a "pocket" universe.
Well Thanos has shown more than once that he is far supperior to Hulk´s baseline strength.
In one of the later Infinity series, the war I think, Thanos beats of Thor, Thing, Hercules and Hulk all at the same time.
And Peter David himself has said that Thanos is stronger than the Hulk was at any time during his run on the book.
This includes the powerful War-Hulk.
So alot of evidence prove against that one time reference.
Sorry about going into a rant, I get this way when people say that Hulk beats Thanos.

[marvelboy]

Hulk at his angriest and Juggernaut really using his power has never been seen but it is safe to say that both at their peak will probably never be shown in comics unless you the universe to cave in. I mean think about...juggernaut of old only had like 50% of the full cyttorak power and that was more than enough to take on anyone. Everyone here remember 8th day juggernaut where he had all the power and was breaking through dimensional barriers as well as being the size of a massive giant.

[hulahulk]

I like that pic by Garney. Let's blow it up shall we?

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1331/xmen479xb.jpg

Question: Juggy has a forcefield surrounding him right? How was Hulk able to knock off Juggy's helmet so easily in this issue?

A massive psychic backlash produced by the Hulk knocked out everyone.



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Juggy's taken worse from Greenskin before no? Was it bad writing? Or did Juggy have an on/off switch and realized he left it off? lol

Juggs' shield seems to exist based on who's writing him. But PAD made sure Hulk got whooped good in the issues leading up to the one pictured above.

[Steve]

Juggs' shield seems to exist based on who's writing him. But PAD made sure Hulk got whooped good in the issues leading up to the one pictured above.
It's too bad Hulk whooping Jug's butt couldn't have been longer.

[Grammaton Cleric]

Well Thanos has shown more than once that he is far supperior to Hulk´s baseline strength.
In one of the later Infinity series, the war I think, Thanos beats of Thor, Thing, Hercules and Hulk all at the same time.
And Peter David himself has said that Thanos is stronger than the Hulk was at any time during his run on the book.
This includes the powerful War-Hulk.
So alot of evidence prove against that one time reference.
Sorry about going into a rant, I get this way when people say that Hulk beats Thanos.

No of course I dont think Hulk would beat Thanos - who is easily on Skyfather level - however I do believe that in terms of pure physical power - he is the one that could truely test Thanos's strength and I am just glad to see Thanos acknowledge him. The fact of that matter is that Thanos's VAST supply of powers render him on a cosmic level.

[Dr. Banner]

Isn't everyone saying that the Sentry is the most powerful Marvel hero now?
(And Silver Surfer isn't anything to sneeze at...)

[Mike Smash!]

I think it's been official for a while that the Hulk was the strongest Marvel character, right along with Reed being the smartest and Cap being the most iconic.

Whenever there's a crossover and they need a character to step into the spotlight to perform an ungodly feat of strength, they always give that moment to the Hulk -- from breaking open Onslaught's armor to lifting a mountain on his back in Secret Wars. And no other characters get the "Wow" moments of pure strength like the Hulk, from ripping open space-time with his hands to breaking out of "unbreakable" bonds, they've pretty much established that he has unlimited strength and it's just a question of getting pissed off enough.

..I still maintain that the snake had the powers of Captain Universe at the time.

[steve2275]

I like that pic by Garney. Let's blow it up shall we?
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Question: Juggy has a forcefield surrounding him right? How was Hulk able to knock off Juggy's helmet so easily in this issue?
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Juggy's taken worse from Greenskin before no? Was it bad writing? Or did Juggy have an on/off switch and realized he left it off? lol
thats what happens

[Steve]

thats what happens
Could you elaborate?

[long pig]

Well, it kinda HAS to happen, otherwise, what exactly could anyone without psi powers do to a Jug who fights "smart"?

He rolls over everyone already, if he faught smart, he'd be impossible to beat.

[Gamma Warrior]

Well Thanos has shown more than once that he is far supperior to Hulk´s baseline strength.
In one of the later Infinity series, the war I think, Thanos beats of Thor, Thing, Hercules and Hulk all at the same time.
And Peter David himself has said that Thanos is stronger than the Hulk was at any time during his run on the book.
This includes the powerful War-Hulk.
So alot of evidence prove against that one time reference.
Sorry about going into a rant, I get this way when people say that Hulk beats Thanos.
Yeah Hulk has beat him though.Remember when he had help from Nate Grey,Thanos also had a whole dark ralm of dimension backing him up.

[DracoMalfoy]

Sure...for now. Sentry is quite possibly much stronger than Hulk.

[sephirothskiller]

In the past , Sasquatch was actually stronger than baseline hulk as shown in Hulk Annual 8 but as hulk get angrier , that rapidly changed of course.

This is true, but since Sasquatch's strength keeps getting changed around, who knows for sure, the same is true with juggernaut. Hulk's strength has only marginally changed, which is why he remains so crazily powerful.

[Doom68]

i remember Juggs having alot of problems with sasquatch a few months ago in X-Men. Once he joined the X-Men he became weeeeeak

[steve2275]

i remember Juggs having alot of problems with sasquatch a few months ago in X-Men. Once he joined the X-Men he became weeeeeak
this is after his powers were stripped

[marshal99]

Well , that skrull from MTU is stronger than the hulk since he pretty much bitchslap him around. :D

[cable guy]

"Hulk officially the strongest in Marvel". That's been widely accepted for a very long time, since it always meant in raw physical strength. Juggernaut at his very best could not compete with the Hulk in the pure strength department. The reason these two were such a good match was because of Juggy's invulnerability. The Hulk simply couldn't hurt him no matter how mad he got (of course juggy never killed betty which could of sent him off the deep). On the other hand Juggernaut could hurt Hulk for awhile until his healing factor was at full speed.

Agreed.

He was his equal in fighting, because of his invulnerability.

But not strength.

Close, but no cigar.

[GozertheGozarian]

My money's on SW2 "I'm 4x as strong as Thor" Kurse, or Mephisto powered Thing.

[Frank]

Hulk is stronger than Juggernaut but could never defeat him one-on-one.

Consider both are 100 tons-level strenght and Hulk can go higher than that if he`s mad, nuts, whatever. But Juggy is invulnerable. And that`s in many different ways.

-First his magical armor can`t be broken, pierced in any way, shape or form. A weakling could face the stronger super-beings in the World with that armor and survive.
-Second like the Hulk he has super-strong bones and skin tissues but unlike Hulk it`s magical so there`s no limits.
-Third of course the super force-field that nobody can break threw. Not even Galactus.
-Fourth there`s a magical enchantment with Juggy that says that whenever Juggy is in movement, he can`t be stopped in any ways. It`s like the Thor enchantment that says that "whomever is worthy can lift Thor`s Hammer". It`s the sort-of thing that can`t be broken up.

[marshal99]

Hulk is stronger than Juggernaut but could never defeat him one-on-one.

Consider both are 100 tons-level strenght and Hulk can go higher than that if he`s mad, nuts, whatever. But Juggy is invulnerable. And that`s in many different ways.

-First his magical armor can`t be broken, pierced in any way, shape or form. A weakling could face the stronger super-beings in the World with that armor and survive.
-Second like the Hulk he has super-strong bones and skin tissues but unlike Hulk it`s magical so there`s no limits.
-Third of course the super force-field that nobody can break threw. Not even Galactus.
-Fourth there`s a magical enchantment with Juggy that says that whenever Juggy is in movement, he can`t be stopped in any ways. It`s like the Thor enchantment that says that "whomever is worthy can lift Thor`s Hammer". It`s the sort-of thing that can`t be broken up.

Where exactly do you get your "facts" from anyway ? That unstoppable bit was his own hype , just that nobody has yet to really push him back .

Same goes for that forcefield which goes on and off depending on who's writing him. When has Galactus fought Juggernaut to say that Galactus cannot break through the force field ?!

[Jomero]

Hulk has at one time broken "Crimsons bands of Cytorrak" that shocked Dr. Strange, as they were supposed to be unbreakable. Guess who is also powered by Mr. Cytorrak.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Hulk has at one time broken "Crimsons bands of Cytorrak" that shocked Dr. Strange, as they were supposed to be unbreakable. Guess who is also powered by Mr. Cytorrak.
Now if we only knew if the bands were as powerful as Juggernaut himself.

[marshal99]

Now if we only knew if the bands were as powerful as Juggernaut himself.

There was an issue of Dr Strange that has Strange being held by the deity Cytorrak in his dimension and Strange summon Juggernaut to aid him. After Juggernaut realise where he is , he tried to steal the gem from Cytorrak's forehead and instead got wrapped up by the bands like a christmas present , so i should think that the bands of cyttorak is indeed as powerful as Juggernaut himself.

[Jomero]

Doesn't really matter if they are as strong as Juggernaut or not. The fact is, Hulk has broken a supposedly "unbreakble" item from Billy Bob Cytorrak. And we still have yet to see Hulk top-out in terms of strength. Given that, it's quite obvious that Hulk, given enough time to get sufficiently angry, could easily do some serious, if not permanent, damage to Juggerbutt.

Would Hulk be able to do this within 5 seconds? Absolutely not. But if the fight went on long enough? Juggernut is going down and staying down.

[Grammaton Cleric]

There was an issue of Dr Strange that has Strange being held by the deity Cytorrak in his dimension and Strange summon Juggernaut to aid him. After Juggernaut realise where he is , he tried to steal the gem from Cytorrak's forehead and instead got wrapped up by the bands like a christmas present , so i should think that the bands of cyttorak is indeed as powerful as Juggernaut himself.

Thank you - couldn't have said it any better myself. Why would the crimson bands of Cytorrak not be as powerful as the Juggernaut who is also powered by Cytorrak?!...

[Dark Soul # 7]

Yeah Hulk has beat him though.Remember when he had help from Nate Grey,Thanos also had a whole dark ralm of dimension backing him up.
That was a Thanos clone.

[marvelboy]

Doesn't really matter if they are as strong as Juggernaut or not. The fact is, Hulk has broken a supposedly "unbreakble" item from Billy Bob Cytorrak. And we still have yet to see Hulk top-out in terms of strength. Given that, it's quite obvious that Hulk, given enough time to get sufficiently angry, could easily do some serious, if not permanent, damage to Juggerbutt.

Would Hulk be able to do this within 5 seconds? Absolutely not. But if the fight went on long enough? Juggernut is going down and staying down.



I like hulk alot don't get me wrong,but juggernauts strength has never been measured. I spoke with actual comic creators about it. Both Juggernaut and Hulk are considered immeasureable in terms of what their strength level is

[widdershins]

The bands of cyttorak are only as powerful as the concentration of the magic user who invokes them and have actually been broken many times (by Namor and Starhawk for instance) while noone has ever hurt the Juggernaut with purely physical means.

[Morbidious]

There is Nobody, NOBODY who is stronger than the Hulk! Never has been, never will be. If a writer makes the Hulk weak or strong, then I write that Hulk is unstoppable. Nuff said! :evilsmile

[long pig]

Hulk has at one time broken "Crimsons bands of Cytorrak" that shocked Dr. Strange, as they were supposed to be unbreakable. Guess who is also powered by Mr. Cytorrak.

It happend in an altered reality where "ones deepest desires come true." from Strange's own mouth. Hulk's deepest desire at the time was to break the bands, and it was granted.

The other 500 times Hulk has been clamped in the bands he couldn't break free(Hulk went as far as pretending not to be angry anymore so Strange would let him loose from the bands.), but as soon as he was inside an altered reality where normal laws of magic don't apply, he can break them.

In normal reality, when the spell caster is foucused and on point, no one can break them.

So much for that point, huh?

I have scans if you think I'm wrong.

Juggernaut's strength is impossible to measure, it could very well be limitless. The editors of Hulk's comic a few years back got a letter asking "Is Hulk officially the strongest being in Marvel?" The editor wrote "Well, the talk around the office is Juggernaut might be the king of the block due to the limitless amount of power he can call from Cyttorak."

Also, when did Hulk ever have limitless rage to give himself limitless strength?

Hulk=possibility of limitless strength, but not the means to achieve it, right? That's something I've often wondered.

[steve2275]

juggernaut isnt even in COLOSSUS;s league these days
x men 157 is the issue where he had trouble lifting 1 ton

[marshal99]

juggernaut isnt even in COLOSSUS;s league these days
x men 157 is the issue where he had trouble lifting 1 ton

I think most people are talking about old school Juggernaut , not the current wimpernaut who loves fishboy and got beaten by the blob.

[Artemis1]

Silver Surfer's the strongest. I mean, he whacked Galactus upside the head.

[Titan76]

The only way for the Hulk to be called the strongest being in Marvel is for Marvel to put him in a weight class of his own. Make it the Hulk class-strength and start it at say 1000 tons. I mean that's the only was to solve the problem. At times Marvel wants the Hulk to be so strong no one can beat him and then 12 issues later he has a baseline strength again at say 90 tons and people like Iron Man and Namor are trading punches with him. Just put him in his own weight class and the only people we will have to debate on who is stronger then the Hulk is Thanos, Silver Surfer, Superman, and maybe 2 or 3 others I can't remember right now.

[Titan76]

juggernaut isnt even in COLOSSUS;s league these days
x men 157 is the issue where he had trouble lifting 1 ton
Just to let you know Colossus level is 100 tons or over and Juggernaut was not having trouble lefting 1 ton, I think he was at 85 to 90 tons.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Even though some writers have a problem with this.....

Silver Surfer is the Strongest

Sentry is second (seeing how he owned one of Galactus' heralds)

[chicorage]

Even though some writers have a problem with this.....

Silver Surfer is the Strongest

Sentry is second (seeing how he owned one of Galactus' heralds)

With that logic, then wouldn't Sentry be stronger than Silver Surfer? It can be argued that SS is the strongest of the heralds, but he's not leagues above any of the others. And if Sentry can handle one of them so easily then that makes him stronger than all of them.
Of course this is totally of topic, sorry about that.

[StrawNilla]

If potential counts for anything then Hulk is pretty much the strongest character in the MU. At base level without his limits getting tested, however, there's a handful or so characters stronger than the Hulk I'd wager.

But, as far as I'm concerned it's like I said: Hulk's not the strongest when his limits aren't tested. I'm sure if they were then what Stan Lee himself wrote would be very much true: Hulk is the strongest one there is! Heck, I'd wager that even if his limits weren't tested that if he were angry to a certain point he could still be purely, physically stronger than any other Marvel character he comes across.

And how about his standings durability wise? I'm pretty sure that even at his base level he's bullet proof, how would he stack up with his limits tested. Perhaps only Juggy would be more durable then.

[long pig]

Even if you go by Hulk's potential, he isn't the strongest in the Marvel UNIVERSE, he's probably top 2 in the Marvel EARTH.

Odin and most Skyfathers can amp their strength to unlimited degrees with magic, most cosmics beings can if they wanted.
Hulk is a bit of a small fry as soon as you start talking about the Universe, because it isn't even clear he can lift limitless weights, he just has a slight potential.

On earth, Hulk is either #1 or #2 when it comes to brute physical strength, in the universe, he's nothing special.

[bd2999]

Though I think Hulk is up there he has not proven that he is vastly stronger than the other upper level characters. He has been locked in a test of strength with Thor for hours and neither seemed to be gaining an upper hand, and Juggernaut has batted him away with ease, Thanos has done the same. I mean he is up there but I dont know if its official.

[Grammaton Cleric]

The Hulk does deserve to be in a class of his own. Limitless strength? How can he be placed in any other class realistically. Coming back to where the writers of Hulk comics questioned Juggernaut as possibly being stronger...I beg you PLEASE enlighten me when and where that happened. Any proof you can provide will be much appreciated. As you can probably tell...I am ever so slightly skeptical.

[Grammaton Cleric]

Oh and Thanos who I dont doubt could take out the Hulk was shown to be afraid of confrontation with him. How many other super strong beings do you think Thanos would be afraid of? Juggernaut doesn't even come into this equation.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Oh and Thanos who I dont doubt could take out the Hulk was shown to be afraid of confrontation with him. How many other super strong beings do you think Thanos would be afraid of? Juggernaut doesn't even come into this equation.
And yet he fought the Hulk and Thor and Thing and Hercules all at the same time and beat them around. Even if Thanos only gets to use his strength, invulnerability and skill there is nothing that Hulk can do to him.
Oh and Thanos regulary bitchslaps Silver Surfer, who has never been defeated by Hulk

[Grammaton Cleric]

You might want to pay more attention to what I wrote. I said I DONT doubt that Thanos could defeat Hulk. However even Thanos realises the potential Hulk holds and would avoid a one on one confrontation with him. Silver Surfer has only defeaten the Hulk by draining off his gamma energy - which is in my opinion not a defeat in battle.

[Dark Soul # 7]

You might want to pay more attention to what I wrote. I said I DONT doubt that Thanos could defeat Hulk. However even Thanos realises the potential Hulk holds and would avoid a one on one confrontation with him. Silver Surfer has only defeaten the Hulk by draining off his gamma energy - which is in my opinion not a defeat in battle.
Actually in their first fight Surfer beats Hulk around and takes his punches like they´re nothing and then SS throws Hulk into a mountain which knocks him out. So there you go.

[Grammaton Cleric]

Well Silver Surfer is a cosmic being - so his ability to defeat the Hulk doesn't really suprise me. I have never said the Hulk is undefeatable - EVERYONE in the MU can be defeated by somone. However I stand by the fact that a well written Hulk is in most cases unstoppable.

[Brian888]

It happend in an altered reality where "ones deepest desires come true." from Strange's own mouth. Hulk's deepest desire at the time was to break the bands, and it was granted.

The other 500 times Hulk has been clamped in the bands he couldn't break free(Hulk went as far as pretending not to be angry anymore so Strange would let him loose from the bands.), but as soon as he was inside an altered reality where normal laws of magic don't apply, he can break them.

In normal reality, when the spell caster is foucused and on point, no one can break them.

So much for that point, huh?

I have scans if you think I'm wrong.

Juggernaut's strength is impossible to measure, it could very well be limitless. The editors of Hulk's comic a few years back got a letter asking "Is Hulk officially the strongest being in Marvel?" The editor wrote "Well, the talk around the office is Juggernaut might be the king of the block due to the limitless amount of power he can call from Cyttorak."

Also, when did Hulk ever have limitless rage to give himself limitless strength?

Hulk=possibility of limitless strength, but not the means to achieve it, right? That's something I've often wondered.




This brings up a very good point. There is some consensus among Marvel writers that old-school Juggernaut MIGHT have access to unlimited strength, and we know that Hulk does. The problem is that neither of them can use it very easily. Hulk can't turn his rage on and off like a switch, and it's been implied that Cain Marko doesn't have the willpower or imagination to access the kind of power he theoretically could access.

I would, of course, pay large amounts of money to see a comic in which Hulk and classic Juggernaut go all-out against each other and amp their power to ridiculous levels.

[Brian888]

Well Silver Surfer is a cosmic being - so his ability to defeat the Hulk doesn't really suprise me. I have never said the Hulk is undefeatable - EVERYONE in the MU can be defeated by somone. However I stand by the fact that a well written Hulk is in most cases unstoppable.


By anybody using conventional attacks, yeah, I'd agree with that. He's screwed against someone like Strange, but then again most of the MU would get screwed by Strange.

[Grazzt]

If potential counts for anything then Hulk is pretty much the strongest character in the MU. At base level without his limits getting tested, however, there's a handful or so characters stronger than the Hulk I'd wager.

Aren't there other characters with potentially limitless strength though? Take Apocalypse, for example: his strength is derived from transferring energy from another dimension, and has been stated as being potentially limitless.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Aren't there other characters with potentially limitless strength though? Take Apocalypse, for example: his strength is derived from transferring energy from another dimension, and has been stated as being potentially limitless.
It´s pretty much the same with Champion, only he gets it from the power primodial and the power gem.

[pesmerga316]

Ummm didn't Onslaught pretty much own Juggy shields or not? I seem to recall thats why he's a wuss now

[Mike Smash!]

While Juggernaut is quite strong, I wouldn't call that his trademark. His trademark is that he's damn near invincible and he can't be stopped -- though he has been by the Hulk before.

So, did he actually become weaker in the context of the story, or did he just suffer the weakness that always comes from going from villain to hero?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Uhm can anybody tell about any time Hulk has defeated Juggernaut besides that time when he was War?

[Brian888]

Ummm didn't Onslaught pretty much own Juggy shields or not? I seem to recall thats why he's a wuss now



IIRC, Juggernaut had taken his helmet off.

[Brian888]

While Juggernaut is quite strong, I wouldn't call that his trademark. His trademark is that he's damn near invincible and he can't be stopped -- though he has been by the Hulk before.

So, did he actually become weaker in the context of the story, or did he just suffer the weakness that always comes from going from villain to hero?


He's actually become MUCH weaker. Cyttorak is pissed at Cain and has transferred his power to someone else. Cain still has some residual power left, because he possessed the Gem for so long, but he's nowhere near what he used to be.

[long pig]

No, Hulk has never beaten Jug, not even close, actually.

Jug usually has the upperhand every time they fight until a telepath comes out of no where and brings him down. Hulk hardly has anything to do with it.

Onslaught was all P.I.S....seriously. Very very bad.
Hulk was killed with a single lightening bolt during the Onslaught Saga...it was THAT bad.

The reason Jug is losing power is because he didn't fight when Cyttorak ordered him to, instead, he faught back against Cyttorak and actually defeated Cyttorak(somehow???).

[chicorage]

No, Hulk has never beaten Jug, not even close, actually.

Jug usually has the upperhand every time they fight until a telepath comes out of no where and brings him down. Hulk hardly has anything to do with it.

Onslaught was all P.I.S....seriously. Very very bad.
Hulk was killed with a single lightening bolt during the Onslaught Saga...it was THAT bad.

The reason Jug is losing power is because he didn't fight when Cyttorak ordered him to, instead, he faught back against Cyttorak and actually defeated Cyttorak(somehow???).

Sorry, but you're wrong on this. Incredible Hulk issue# 404, the Hulk KO's Juggy with no help from anyone except his two fists.

[marshal99]

Hulk KO Juggernaut with a psychic backlash , and that was Juggernaut convienently without Helmet after Hulk somehow knocked it off, i.e PIS ;)

Mind you, that psychic backlash also KO all the avengers as well as frying Mentallo's brain.

[Brian888]

No, Hulk has never beaten Jug, not even close, actually.

Jug usually has the upperhand every time they fight until a telepath comes out of no where and brings him down. Hulk hardly has anything to do with it.


Heheheheheh. So true about telepaths popping up out of nowhere. I think it was the first Hulk/Juggernaut fight where Hulk knocked off his helmet. Juggernaut got up to sneak attack Hulk as he was walking away, but got levelled by Professor X, who just HAPPENED to be wandering by (along with Cyclops and Jean Grey). That was a beautifully random moment in comics.

[Grammaton Cleric]

I don't know what world you Juggernaut fans are living on but the Hulk has knocked Juggz out on more than one occasion (not counting War Hulk) although I admit CLASSIC Juggernaut has by far been the Hulk's best rival. Helmet or no helmet - it isn't his helmet that gives him the power to withstand physical attack so I have no idea what him not having his helmet on when he was KO'ed by the Hulk has to do with anything.

[pesmerga316]

Hulk envisioned Juggy as his abusive father which sent him into uber rage and he knocked him out with a single blow. Thats how it happened I have the issue right here (404)

And Hulk wasn't killed by Onslaught, he was the only one even capable of going toe to toe with him in his physical form

[pesmerga316]

does anyone have pics or a way I can look at the War Hulk think? I saw it once in the shop but I want to read it now, I can't remember anything

[long pig]

I don't know what world you Juggernaut fans are living on but the Hulk has knocked Juggz out on more than one occasion (not counting War Hulk) although I admit CLASSIC Juggernaut has by far been the Hulk's best rival. Helmet or no helmet - it isn't his helmet that gives him the power to withstand physical attack so I have no idea what him not having his helmet on when he was KO'ed by the Hulk has to do with anything.

Hulk has NEVER knocked Jug out, actually, Hulk has never even HURT Jug in the slightest bit.

The only time Hulk won was when Hulk had access to power that he normally didn't have i.e celestial tech.

[long pig]

Hulk envisioned Juggy as his abusive father which sent him into uber rage and he knocked him out with a single blow. Thats how it happened I have the issue right here (404)

And Hulk wasn't killed by Onslaught, he was the only one even capable of going toe to toe with him in his physical form

No. Hulk invisioned Juggy as his abusive father and Jug then complimented Hulk which is something Hulk's father never did so Hulk freaked out and punched Jug's helmet off, Jug was un-affected and getting back up but Hulk's mind sent out a massive psychic backlash .....PSYCHIC BACKLASH<----Key Word.....which K.o'd Juggy and a few others.

Hulk basically beat Jug with a mental attack. ;)

No, Hulk wasn't killed by Onslaught, he was killed by friggin STORM...with a friggin LIGHTENING BOLT.

[marvelboy]

from former comicbook scriber benny powell I asked him this very same question...who is stronger juggernaut or Hulk.....he told me it's best to keep people guessing but he prefer's gruenwalds method of doing it scientifically...he said rage is limited because you can only get so angry before you psychologically shut off completely. He said Juggernaut you have to remember is the avatar to one of the elder gods of the universe and is powered by an entire dimension called the crimson cosmos. So his strength is mostly immeasureable like the Hulk's but the fact that his extra dimensional source of energy to power him is so vast it basically is saying he and hulk will never know their limits.

[chicorage]

No. Hulk invisioned Juggy as his abusive father and Jug then complimented Hulk which is something Hulk's father never did so Hulk freaked out and punched Jug's helmet off, Jug was un-affected and getting back up but Hulk's mind sent out a massive psychic backlash .....PSYCHIC BACKLASH<----Key Word.....which K.o'd Juggy and a few others.

Hulk basically beat Jug with a mental attack. ;)

No, Hulk wasn't killed by Onslaught, he was killed by friggin STORM...with a friggin LIGHTENING BOLT.

In what issue did Storm kill the Hulk?

[Dark Soul # 7]

I don't know what world you Juggernaut fans are living on but the Hulk has knocked Juggz out on more than one occasion (not counting War Hulk) although I admit CLASSIC Juggernaut has by far been the Hulk's best rival. Helmet or no helmet - it isn't his helmet that gives him the power to withstand physical attack so I have no idea what him not having his helmet on when he was KO'ed by the Hulk has to do with anything.
Can you tell us what in comics Hulk has beaten Juggernaut before?

[steve2275]

during onslaught time
cable was there too

[long pig]

When you see Jug getting whored out for the sake of P.I.S during the Onslaught Saga it's all good, but as soon as you hear the same thing happend to Hulk, it ain't so great, is it?

Heh. Jug being physically harmed by Onslaught is = to Hulk being killed by a single bolt of lightning in the B.S factor.

But, to stay on point.

I'd say Hulk is probably the #1 or #2 strongest on earth.

[Big E]

Ive been reading this title off on for the last 15 years. The biggest factor that determines the hulk's strength is the writer. Yes it would be nice if the editors at marvel laid down the law on the writers and had them conform to a set strength level for the hulk. Here is the high point and lowpoint of Hulk's strength:
Secret Wars Hulk (Mindless hulk's strength mix with Banners personna): Lifted 200 tons of mountain after being verbally insulted by Captain America.

V.S. Princess pythons snake: Hulk is unable to get a large snake from around his neck and therefore passes out. ( this was durring a time where the Hulk's popularity was at a big time low and the version was a weaker savage hulk. (If my memory serves me right).

Most recent questionable bout: VS Doormundo in Defender's #2. What the heck happended here? A boasting hulk gets easily beatup and crystalized by Door in a different dimension. However Door's power is combined with his sisters, and to the Hulk's credit he is able to survive in a battlefield of 100's of Door's Minions who appear to equal juggernaught in strength and durability(and are powered by majic).

[Dark Soul # 7]

Most recent questionable bout: VS Doormundo in Defender's #2. What the heck happended here? A boasting hulk gets easily beatup and crystalized by Door in a different dimension. However Door's power is combined with his sisters, and to the Hulk's credit he is able to survive in a battlefield of 100's of Door's Minions who appear to equal juggernaught in strength and durability(and are powered by majic).
The mindless ones are NOT equal to Juggernaut in durability.

[Big E]

You know any other comics the mindless ones appear in? I think just one would give juggy a run for his money anyway. Anyway the fact Hulk lasted quite awhile with 100's of them was a worthy feat.

[long pig]

I'd say the mindless ones are jug-level durability. They are somewhere around 50ton strength, though.

Dormmamu taking out Hulk is just fine, Hulk is no where near Dorm's power. Dormmamu is near Odin level.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I´ve seen Thing hold his own against like ten or twenty mindless ones. So tthey´re not that powerful. And they are nowhere near classic Juggernaut´s durability levels.

[Darkoth]

I´ve seen Thing hold his own against like ten or twenty mindless ones. So tthey´re not that powerful. And they are nowhere near classic Juggernaut´s durability levels.

They were tougher when they were first introduced,only recently could Thing or Hulk take on legions of them.

[Big E]

lol. ok guys. now the question is who would win at bowling using the mindless ones as pins. Hulk, Juggy, or thing? I think it was funny when the hulk was getting smothered and burried when he was trying to trash talk to Doormundo.

[Dark Soul # 7]

They were tougher when they were first introduced,only recently could Thing or Hulk take on legions of them.
Really? How much tougher?

[Darkoth]

Really? How much tougher?

I'm not really sure,but way back in Doc Strange they were built up as being something you didn't ever want to stumble into.They also seemed much bigger the way Ditko had drawn them.

[long pig]

Yeah, back in DS master of mystic arts. That's all I know of them by.

They were considered perfect unkillable unhurtable indestructable engines of destruction. Gods were scared of them.

[Captain Rogers]

first Thor is the strength equivalent of hulk not to mention a few others, if you are only talking about villains then i would say gladiator.and for that noob that said hulk is the strongest pick up a comic book sometime even if you are talking solely on strength then your still wrong, the living tribunal possesses more strength than the hulk even if the hulk reaches his climax in anger. and if your not talking in terms of strength then he is outclassed by a plethora of marvel characters. silver surfer, eternity, hulk buster iron man, sentry, cable. and sentry admits radiation that calms the hulk so that battle is like fish in a barrel and you have an atom bomb. so to end this entry i leave you with the undeniable proof that hulk is lame and generic, and the juggernaut is nothing even with his gay head gem. gladiator ripped it out and through him from mid Canada to new jersey they are both lame and equally dumb. :D

[ultimate hulk]

ok here we go again...so we know the madder hulk gets the stronger hulk gets...and we know u can only reach a certain level of mad...but the hulk's body secretes some kind of adrenaline that makes his body stronger without out changing his body component in anyway...like making it bigger i mean...yeah the hulk will reach a certain level of mad...but when hulk reach that level of mad his body will continue to secretes that adrenaline that makes him stronger...without him having to get any madder...so my point is...hulk will continue getting stronger whenever he reaches his point of mad...so making it that he has pontiental for limitless strength without him having to get any madder...and right now the hulk baseline strength should be increased because of the warp core...

[Lanowar]

I think in the Hulk game puts it better that Abomination is stronger then Hulk when he transforms but the angrier he gets the stronger he gets till he is the victor. That said in The Sentry mini when he goes see the Hulk he is very calm almost like a puppy around him apprentely his golden aura calms the Hulk down. Though when those two clash it's going to be somthing to watch.

[Camron Amaya]

Well Thanos has shown more than once that he is far supperior to Hulk´s baseline strength.
In one of the later Infinity series, the war I think, Thanos beats of Thor, Thing, Hercules and Hulk all at the same time.
And Peter David himself has said that Thanos is stronger than the Hulk was at any time during his run on the book.
This includes the powerful War-Hulk.
So alot of evidence prove against that one time reference.
Sorry about going into a rant, I get this way when people say that Hulk beats Thanos.

Yea Thanos held his own no problem, against insane Thor during the Blood & Thunder thing...even though Surfer and Bill were getting their butts handed to them by him earlier....and then held his own energy wise against Odin..even though Odin did seem to not even break a sweat and Thanos looked a little worn out...

But Thor did kill Mangog and beat Thanos almost at the same time during the whole "thanos looking for the designate" story...but he had that special armor Odin made him...so once again...Thor = beast

:D

[ivesaidway2much]

Yea Thanos held his own no problem, against insane Thor during the Blood & Thunder thing...even though Surfer and Bill were getting their butts handed to them by him earlier....and then held his own energy wise against Odin..even though Odin did seem to not even break a sweat and Thanos looked a little worn out...

But Thor did kill Mangog and beat Thanos almost at the same time during the whole "thanos looking for the designate" story...but he had that special armor Odin made him...so once again...Thor + Daddy's hand-me-downs = beast

:DOne small edit...:evilsmile

[beetheb]

Wow, this Rune-Thor was ridiculously over-powered. I haven't read the stories involving him, so I'm not here saying they were bad (because I honestly don't know) But it seems like he basically had Deus ex machina powers....I liken it to two kids playing Superhero in the front yard, just making up their powers as they go along...

If I'm reading all this stuff about him right, Odinforce Thor was more a player on a cosmic scale, and didn't really fit as an earthbound hero...

[beetheb]

Alot of people are stronger than baseline Hulk. Abomanation at his 2x100 strength-level, Thanos, Gladiator, Titannus, Kurse, the Destroyer armor, Sentry and a few others I can´t think of at the moment.

Sorry, Thanos is not as strong as "baseline" Hulk. He himself admits as much when he's fighting Champion in "Thanos Quest" #1. He says something to the effect of "Fighting Champion (who had the Power Gem, mind you) is what I very much imagine it would be like to fight the Terran behemoth, the Hulk....a conflict I've sought to avoid over the years..."

Thanos Himself admits he doesn't want to fight the Hulk, and Thanos is basically the baddest MFer in the Marvel U, cosmic or no. So what does that say about Hulk?

[Camron Amaya]

umm..triple post...accident..:\

[Camron Amaya]

double post

[Camron Amaya]

One small edit...:evilsmile


Touche...

But after that when Thor inherited the Odinforce, he pretty much was his daddy. And then runes, wooo boy. So you can see how dumb it was when people are saying Hulk beats Odinforce no problem. It's like saying Odin is a wimp.

Wow, this Rune-Thor was ridiculously over-powered. I haven't read the stories involving him, so I'm not here saying they were bad (because I honestly don't know) But it seems like he basically had Deus ex machina powers....I liken it to two kids playing Superhero in the front yard, just making up their powers as they go along...

If I'm reading all this stuff about him right, Odinforce Thor was more a player on a cosmic scale, and didn't really fit as an earthbound hero...

Nah he only gained the runes at the end of Ragnarok and they served heir purpose. It was very well done. You should read it. And thor was always cosmic more or less.

[Ult. Fireboy]

Since Hulk is returning stronger than ever, i think that he will be one of the strongest if not the strongest.

[jugernaut]

I like that pic by Garney. Let's blow it up shall we?

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1331/xmen479xb.jpg



Nice picture alright

[XPac]

I suspect the fight between Sentry and Hulk will give us a clearer picture of who is the strongest (at least on earth... obviously there are cosmics out there whom tip the scales).

Juggernaut I suppose might be in the running as well since I believe he got that crystal back. Though Juggy truthfully never had a lot of strength feats. Though he was clearly class 100 a big part of him being unstoppable was having that mystical force field.

[jugernaut]

What is the point with hulk if he is not the strongest one there is? Was he not supposed to be stronger than superman himself (:rolleyes:) when he was first introduced?. When he is no longer the strongest his function is to me unclear. Angermanagement can be read elsewere, and of course there are other aspects of him, like the tormented, misunderstood giant that can not get a break. However, I always thought that the point of the Hulk was that he is the strongest, in a league of his own, so strong that the other strong/powerfull characters must think of other ways to beat him.

As for WW Hulk I see Conan with class 100 strength but I think he must be much stronger than he used to be, because I don not think a stupid sword would help him much.

(...and I wish they would give Juggy his old powers back)

[jigrig]

Ive been reading this title off on for the last 15 years. The biggest factor that determines the hulk's strength is the writer. Yes it would be nice if the editors at marvel laid down the law on the writers and had them conform to a set strength level for the hulk. Here is the high point and lowpoint of Hulk's strength:
Secret Wars Hulk (Mindless hulk's strength mix with Banners personna): Lifted 200 tons of mountain after being verbally insulted by Captain America.

V.S. Princess pythons snake: Hulk is unable to get a large snake from around his neck and therefore passes out. ( this was durring a time where the Hulk's popularity was at a big time low and the version was a weaker savage hulk. (If my memory serves me right).

Most recent questionable bout: VS Doormundo in Defender's #2. What the heck happended here? A boasting hulk gets easily beatup and crystalized by Door in a different dimension. However Door's power is combined with his sisters, and to the Hulk's credit he is able to survive in a battlefield of 100's of Door's Minions who appear to equal juggernaught in strength and durability(and are powered by majic).

Secret Wars #4 had The Hulk bracing a mountain weighing 150 billion tons, read the cover "BENEATH 150 BILLION TONS STANDS THE HULK & HE'S NOT HAPPY!"
OK, only bracing it, but that means if he werent, it would have come down on all the Heroes which included Iron man & She Hulk, by the way it was Richards who was pissing Hulk off to keep him from weakening.
Bracing 150 billion tons would be equal to what in physical strength?
At least pressing half a billion tons if You want to argue about comics, then lets consider the groung that Hulks feet were on, how many square inches did Hulks feet cover?
For the sake of arguement lets say 5 square feet, thats 5 square feet of rock that did not shift at all under all that weight, so unless Hulk was standing on a HUGE sheet of adamantium Hulks body would have been pushed into the rock He was standing on, My point?
We are talking comic book stories & feats of strength.
Regardless of who wrote the story it is canon & if there was a greater show of pure brute strength in any Marvel comic by any Hero or villain EVER I want to see it.
Hulk is THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!
Not Thor, not Sentry, not Juggernaut!
Now all You out there that have access to actual writers of Marvel comics opinions, PLEASE, have Them explain how any hero or villain without drawing power from another dimension could be stronger than that!
Hulk with Banners brain did it & it hasnt been retconned as of yet.
Imagine what this current Hulk can do.
I dont have the comics anymore but there were a few issues of Ironman in the 70's with Thanos & Drax & neither of them were anywhere near Hulks strength at the time, I know there are the infinity gems & all that so I assume thats how they got more powerful.
Silver Surfer by the way has the ability to make himself more powerful due to the power cosmic as he likes to call it so He might be able to hold up that mountain.

[Shai Hulud]

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/354306_1-hulk-respect-thread

[spidervenom]

I think thor, sentry, silver surfer and thanos are all stronger then the hulk

[Thundergod]

This guy thriatoln... he´s as fast, agile, and strong as three men. WOW. And he gets that power from the "three-force".

There´s no way hulk, thor, thanos, sentry, or the surfer can beat that.

Anyway, Hulk isn´t the strongest as marvel has stated sentry is currently the strongest heroe on earth. What i find lame is the way sentry got his powers... so, anyone can take a drink of whatever they find around and they get the power of a million gazillion suns? (that or "the peak of human hability like cap A).

Sentry is a joke. And he is the strongest as long as Thor doesnt come back... when thor comes back... sentry´s gonna be demoted to number 2.

[jigrig]

This guy thriatoln... he´s as fast, agile, and strong as three men. WOW. And he gets that power from the "three-force".

There´s no way hulk, thor, thanos, sentry, or the surfer can beat that.

Anyway, Hulk isn´t the strongest as marvel has stated sentry is currently the strongest heroe on earth. What i find lame is the way sentry got his powers... so, anyone can take a drink of whatever they find around and they get the power of a million gazillion suns? (that or "the peak of human hability like cap A).

Sentry is a joke. And he is the strongest as long as Thor doesnt come back... when thor comes back... sentry´s gonna be demoted to number 2.

Thor Himself admitted that Hulk was physically stronger in Hulk annual 2001 I believe, also twice Hulk has beaten Thor to literally, a bloody mess.
If Thor were to let Hulk have it with the full force of mjolinor of course He'd win, Mjolinor is more powerful than Thor Himself.
If Thor has The Odinforce or whatever its called, Hulks dead but if Thor does get an upgrade I bet Hulk does too.
It just wouldnt be interesting anymore, thats why I cant stand DC comics, because of You know who.
I'd like to see Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern kick his ass!

[Thundergod]

It just wouldnt be interesting anymore, thats why I cant stand DC comics, because of You know who.
I'd like to see Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern kick his ass!

I´d like to see that too... it´s been said over the years... GL and MMH could beat that idiot ... but fans (and the world) still believe he is the heroe of heroes and the most powerful.

I agree with you 100% in your comment about enhancing thor and hulk... hence my commentary about "Thriatlon" (or however that lame guy is called)

[mimic_616]

No. No no no no. Power of a MILLION EXPLODING SUNS. Come on people its the Sentry.

[Magneto Rocks]

Maybe it's just me but I don't see how "Stan created Hulk to be STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!" is even that good an argument. Isn't there some controversy over Stan Lee apparantly saying Thor was created as an answer to Hulk or some such thing?

And I may dislike the character but saying "If Hulk is not the strongest, there is no point to him" also seems a RIDICULOUSLY stupid argument to me because it just renders the character 2 dimensional and worthless which he is not.

[Camron Amaya]

Maybe it's just me but I don't see how "Stan created Hulk to be STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!" is even that good an argument. Isn't there some controversy over Stan Lee apparantly saying Thor was created as an answer to Hulk or some such thing?

And I may dislike the character but saying "If Hulk is not the strongest, there is no point to him" also seems a RIDICULOUSLY stupid argument to me because it just renders the character 2 dimensional and worthless which he is not.

"I wanted to come up with something totally different. I thought it would fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? It finally came to me: Don't make him human — make him a god." - Stan Lee


And seriosly it DOES depend on the writer. Classic Thor is winning sometimes, Hulk is winning sometimes. Usualy it's undecided. In IH #300 Hulk is completly mindless and savage and he didn't do much to Thor they were equal untill Strange came and teleported Hulk, then Thor is all "why didn't I think of that". In an old Thor issue they went through a big battle and Hulk only gained the upper hand cuz Thor dropped his hammer and was protecting civilians around the battle. Then in that 2001 issue Hulk beats Thor twice, Thor beats him once. Basicly out of all their encounters how does that prove that Hulk is absoultly without question superior to classic Thor? The only thing I'd say he can be superior in is raw strength and that's when he's raging and angry and it goes from there, where as Thor is as physicly strong as he always is and as strong as he pushes himself and that can't go as far as Hulk's anger thing. But I do know that almost everytime Thor doesn't hold back, which he does alot of the time, Hulk is getting the snot beat out of him and receiving an ass kicking just as much as he's giving one.

Thor going all out with Mjolnir and his own strength > Hulk 95% of the time.

No hammer Thor vs Hulk = Hulk probly wins most of the time

If it's one of those moments where Hulk is absolutly pushed beyond the limit then of course he can pull of all kinds of miracles and beat almost anyone.


Also the most obvious thing people are ignoring here is fights aren't determined simply by who can bench press more.

[Magneto Rocks]

"I wanted to come up with something totally different. I thought it would fun to invent someone as powerful as, or perhaps even more powerful than, the Incredible Hulk. But how do you make someone stronger than the strongest human? It finally came to me: Don't make him human ? make him a god." - Stan Lee


And seriosly it DOES depend on the writer. Classic Thor is winning sometimes, Hulk is winning sometimes. Usualy it's undecided. In IH #300 Hulk is completly mindless and savage and he didn't do much to Thor they were equal untill Strange came and teleported Hulk, then Thor is all "why didn't I think of that". In an old Thor issue they went through a big battle and Hulk only gained the upper hand cuz Thor dropped his hammer and was protecting civilians around the battle. Then in that 2001 issue Hulk beats Thor twice, Thor beats him once. Basicly out of all their encounters how does that prove that Hulk is absoultly without question superior to classic Thor? The only thing I'd say he can be superior in is raw strength and that's when he's raging and angry and it goes from there, where as Thor is as physicly strong as he always is and as strong as he pushes himself and that can't go as far as Hulk's anger thing. But I do know that almost everytime Thor doesn't hold back, which he does alot of the time, Hulk is getting the snot beat out of him and receiving an ass kicking just as much as he's giving one.

Thor going all out with Mjolnir and his own strength > Hulk 95% of the time.

No hammer Thor vs Hulk = Hulk probly wins most of the time

If it's one of those moments where Hulk is absolutly pushed beyond the limit then of course he can pull of all kinds of miracles and beat almost anyone.


Also the most obvious thing people are ignoring here is fights aren't determined simply by who can bench press more.

I also don't get the argument- "HAH! Without his hammer, Thor is USELESS!"

Yeah well, without his GAMMA RAYS Banner isn't exactly a match for Thor either. Mjolnir is as much a part of Thor as the Hulk genome is of Banner.

[ivesaidway2much]

I also don't get the argument- "HAH! Without his hammer, Thor is USELESS!"

Yeah well, without his GAMMA RAYS Banner isn't exactly a match for Thor either. Mjolnir is as much a part of Thor as the Hulk genome is of Banner.Those are two completely different things. Gamma radiation is as much a part of Banner's body as his blood, skin, or his skeleton. A better analogy in would be removing Thor's godliness. Besides both Odinforce Thor and Rune Thor got along just fine without Mjolnir.

If Banner started supplying the Hulk with gamma powered tech he'd be darn near unstoppable. It's just unlike Thor, the Hulk doesn't need any weapons (unless it makes him look more bad@--), and he has way too much pride to accept other people's hand-me-downs (well most of the time, or unless it once again makes him look far more bad@--).

[beetheb]

Those are two completely different things. Gamma radiation is as much a part of Banner's body as his blood, skin, or his skeleton. A better analogy in would be removing Thor's godliness.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. (So I won't even try ;) )

[jigrig]

I've said it before & I am A HUGE HULK FAN!
If Thor fights Hulk with Mjolinor & uses half his brain, Thor wins 95% of the time, problem is He usually is too proud or the writter has Thor holding back.
My opinion is that hand to hand Thor would lose 95% of the time, unfortunately Mjolinor is as much a part of Thor as is Silver Surfers board.
Then again most writters are smart enough to keep these debates going because if one is ever established as without a doubt stronger than the other, well, You have pissed off fans & no longer anything to look forward to in future battles between the 2.
Of course I still say Hulk is stronger.
I've been wrong before though.

[Rf2j]

What about Nova? I forget how much entire Nova Corps could lift ;)

[Dorsai]

Technically, the Sentry has beaten the Hulk before and broken nearly every bone in his body.

In Sentry: Reborn, The Sentry takes the Hulk to the negative zone where they encounter The Void. Not only is the Hulk afraid of the Void, it turned out it was scared for good reason. The Void used some kind of attack which I think was described as feeling like a piece of your soul was taken and then used void-like tentacles to entrap the Hulk and break all of his bones. Granted, I have not followed the Hulk for years but can't really remember anyone breaking a single bone let alone virtually every bone in his body.

Of course, the Sentry's mental state might prevent a repeat of that. First, the Sentry would have to somehow tap into the same powers used by The Void (possibly releasing The Void) and he still might not be able to scare the Hulk -- thus reducing his anger and strength -- enough for him to create a repeat performance.

But gut feel for me is if you take away the magic and cosmic guys, Hulk trumps all. Some have mentioned limits to a person's hate but I think of the current Hulk more as a Sith Lord or Saint o' Killers from Preacher of sorts. Hate and anger is not really an emotion for him anymore but a weapon. I don't think it will be as simple as the Hulk taking a few deep breaths and calming down.

[Dorsai]

Double post.

[spidervenom]

I am not sure about the hulk being the strongest what about Thor, Sentry, Silver surfer and thanos Didnt he once take on the hulk and thor by himself. Also I would take thor over hulk any day.

[Camron Amaya]

Technically, the Sentry has beaten the Hulk before and broken nearly every bone in his body.

In Sentry: Reborn, The Sentry takes the Hulk to the negative zone where they encounter The Void. Not only is the Hulk afraid of the Void, it turned out it was scared for good reason. The Void used some kind of attack which I think was described as feeling like a piece of your soul was taken and then used void-like tentacles to entrap the Hulk and break all of his bones. Granted, I have not followed the Hulk for years but can't really remember anyone breaking a single bone let alone virtually every bone in his body.

Of course, the Sentry's mental state might prevent a repeat of that. First, the Sentry would have to somehow tap into the same powers used by The Void (possibly releasing The Void) and he still might not be able to scare the Hulk -- thus reducing his anger and strength -- enough for him to create a repeat performance.

But gut feel for me is if you take away the magic and cosmic guys, Hulk trumps all. Some have mentioned limits to a person's hate but I think of the current Hulk more as a Sith Lord or Saint o' Killers from Preacher of sorts. Hate and anger is not really an emotion for him anymore but a weapon. I don't think it will be as simple as the Hulk taking a few deep breaths and calming down.

Hulk used to be a weak pathetic child around Sentry's golden glow.

[Dorsai]

Hulk used to be a weak pathetic child around Sentry's golden glow.

Ah, but the question now is whether or not he is still affected by the Gloden Glow or immune to it. The Hulk hasn't met the Sentry since he reappeared. Based on the Sentry trades, the Hulk was Falcon to Sentry's Captain America. I'm kind of curious to see what that encounter is like.

On one hand, the Sentry may feel like he owes a debt to Iron Man and his (self described) best friend Reed Richards. On the other hand, he may feel his loyalties should be with his old partner who helped him fight the Void more than once.

Someone also spoke of Banner and the Hulk as separate entities. I have not followed the Hulk as closely over the last few years as I did in the past but is it generally acknowledged that the Hulk and Banner are separate personalities and separate entities? (I haven't had a chance to read Planet Hulk). I ask because the Sentry specifically refers to the Hulk as Banner and the Hulk even admits that he is Banner. That is a bit confusing...

[Quinch]

Well the Hulk couldn't get angrier around the Sentry's aura and the Void's aura seemed to have an even greater effect on him. The Hulk's never been so afraid - he was definately not 'himself'.
Plot device is all it was.
As for "Is the Hulk strongest in Marvel?"
Yes. Read the IGN WWH previews. Pak and the editors have spelled it out in no uncertain terms that besides the cosmic abstracts. Yes he is.

[jigrig]

Hulk is going to fight the Void, He will kill the void, alone or with help, thereby solving the problem of, what do we do with this useless sentry character?
Hulk owes the Void BIG TIME & since Sentry is The Void it's inevitable.
I say save a Hulk vs. Thor battle for when both characters in Their new situations get settled, then that would be an event in itself rather than some rushed out peice of crap like all Their fights since JIM #112 which was The Ultimate Hulk Thor Battle to date, IMO.

[Berkey]

I remember back in the day Stan Lee originally said that he wanted Thor to be the strongest character in the MU, but then they explored with Hulk's anger and we have today's delima. The Sentry or Thor will make for the best battle. Thor vs Hulk dunno if it will happen but it won't be hard for that to be good the Sentry vs Hulk god I hope they make that a good one or I think they'll have to make Sntry kill himsself and forget the guy exsisted

[beetheb]

I remember back in the day Stan Lee originally said that he wanted Thor to be the strongest character in the MU, but then they explored with Hulk's anger and we have today's delima. The Sentry or Thor will make for the best battle. Thor vs Hulk dunno if it will happen but it won't be hard for that to be good the Sentry vs Hulk god I hope they make that a good one or I think they'll have to make Sntry kill himsself and forget the guy exsistedI think Sentry is Hulk's #1 obstacle right now. I'm pretty sure Starks plan is to throw as many heroes as he can at Hulk, then send in Sentry as the main event after Hulk is presumably softened up.

One thing they never really keep in mind though, the longer the fight goes on, the more it leans in Hulks favor.

Their best shot was to take him out quick, unfortunately Hulk's already gonna be super-charged from fighting the X-Men for 3 issues. (which I assume is where he goes when he says on TV "You have 24 hours to evacuate.")

[Berkey]

I think Sentry is Hulk's #1 obstacle right now. I'm pretty sure Starks plan is to throw as many heroes as he can at Hulk, then send in Sentry as the main event after Hulk is presumably softened up.

One thing they never really keep in mind though, the longer the fight goes on, the more it leans in Hulks favor.

Their best shot was to take him out quick, unfortunately Hulk's already gonna be super-charged from fighting the X-Men for 3 issues. (which I assume is where he goes when he says on TV "You have 24 hours to evacuate.")

yea that looks interesting with the X-men and i agree the Sentry I think is on the cover of WWH frontline #5 so we'll see how that plays out

[Barnaby]

Forget the Sentry, Thor or Juggy...

Gladiator would kick Hulk's @ss! Hulk can hold a mountain? Gladiator can knock a planet out of orbit! Take that, Hulk! :)

[beetheb]

Forget the Sentry, Thor or Juggy...

Gladiator would kick Hulk's @ss! Hulk can hold a mountain? Gladiator can knock a planet out of orbit! Take that, Hulk! :)Hulk already beat Gladiator like a red-headed stepchild.

http://img55.photobucket.com/albums/v168/clonehulk/Gladiator2.jpg
http://img55.photobucket.com/albums/v168/clonehulk/Gladiator3.jpg

Gladiator's got nothing the Hulk can't handle, bring him on.

[Shai Hulud]

mwhahahahahaha...Hulk owns.

[Majinlex]

Forget the Sentry, Thor or Juggy...

Gladiator would kick Hulk's @ss! Hulk can hold a mountain? Gladiator can knock a planet out of orbit! Take that, Hulk! :)

Pssh, even Cannonball beat Gladiator. ;)

[Barnaby]

Pssh, even Cannonball beat Gladiator. ;)

:) Cannonball threw a punch at Gladiator and sent him flying into a construction site... 2 seconds later Gladiator stood up! He hardly defeated him!
And didn't Hulk radiation had a weakening effect on Gladiator?

[Quinch]

No it wasn't the Hulks radiation. It was the fact he thunderclapped with glad's head and ears in the middle of his palms. Covered Glad's eyes so the heatvision was turned back on itself and then you have the scene above.

Glads was in serious trouble before the reactor. Afterwards- well... Ouch.

[dabig2]

Ahhh, the good ol beatdown of Gladiator. The Hulk went absolutely ghetto on the Supe clone almost as if he was flipping the bird to Supes himself. One of the more entertaining beatdowns Hulk has been shown to give.

[colossus34]

Ahhh, the good ol beatdown of Gladiator. The Hulk went absolutely ghetto on the Supe clone almost as if he was flipping the bird to Supes himself. One of the more entertaining beatdowns Hulk has been shown to give.

That whole encounter was PIS. Glads shot eye beam into Hulk that tore a hole clear into his body but suddenly hulk held up his arms and could block the eye beam? WTF? How? Then of course, majically and convenitely there is a Nuclear reactor core right next to where theyr are fighting which hapens o be the EXACT same wave length that weakens Glad's body. All of it was PIS

[Quinch]

That whole encounter was PIS. Glads shot eye beam into Hulk that tore a hole clear into his body but suddenly hulk held up his arms and could block the eye beam? WTF? How? Then of course, majically and convenitely there is a Nuclear reactor core right next to where theyr are fighting which hapens o be the EXACT same wave length that weakens Glad's body. All of it was PIS

Bit bummed about Colossus' showing in WWH xmen eh?
There there. It'll pass in time.



Edit - spoiling the symmetry maybe but ..
1. He held Glad's own eyes closed.
2. Hulk was not very durable at this point for having his body as the nexus whole heroes reborn universe.
3. A reactor core has LOTS of wavelengths not just the one that hurts Glads and he soaked the LOT of it up.
4. Mohawk boy was beaten before the reactor. Hulk just wanted insult to injury. Or maybe injury to injury.
5. Bitter X fans are my fave.

[AllisterH]

Er, I tend to disagree....Gladiator was taking it to the Hulk and then all of a sudden, it got weird.

Why would the Hulk's hands be able to block Glad's eye beams when his chest couldn't?

Why the hell would Gladiator suffer a feedback from his eyebeams? When Hulk grabbed his head, wouldn't the automatic reaction be to stop firing the damn eyebeams?

The text explicitly mentions that the reactor weakened Gladiator. Problem with this is that Gladiator regularly flies in and around suns so what the hell typs of reactor was it to produce radiation that the sun can't produce?

[Soulfire2]

The Hulk is not the strongest character in the Marvel Universe in either battle standards or strength. First of all the list of characters that can beat the Hulk every time by any means (other than strength) is enormous:

Silver Surfer, Thanos, Galactus, Thor (dimensional warp) and a ton of other characters.

In terms of strength, maybe the Juggernaut, Silver Surfer (cosmic power can grant just about any power), Thanos and any number of other cosmic beings or gods. Lets not forget about the Universe, Molecule Man, Death and all those heavy hitters.

Second of all, who says the Hulk has unlimited power. No where does it say he has unlimited power. It says that the madder he gets the more powerful he gets. Well... eventually everyone reaches a point when they can get no madder than they already are. Lets say someone kills someone close to you... thats probably as mad as you will ever get right? That is basically what happened in WWH. Someone he loved was killed. That means that the Hulk we see in WWH is as strong as he is probably going to get. I think Galatus or any of the other beings I refered to can still wipe him off the face of the universe.

I would say that he may be the strongest Earth born hero in Marvel but thats about it.

[ivesaidway2much]

Silver Surfer, Thanos, Galactus, Thor (dimensional warp) and a ton of other characters.LOL at Thor being able to beat the Hulk everytime.

In terms of strength, maybe the Juggernaut, Silver Surfer (cosmic power can grant just about any power), Thanos and any number of other cosmic beings or gods. Lets not forget about the Universe, Molecule Man, Death and all those heavy hitters.What are the Silver Surfer's feats of strength. From what I've seen of the Heralds of Galactus, they haven't been too impressive in the strength department. Terrax got outmuscled by Sentry. Firelord was slapped around by Spider-man. And Surfer himself fell victim to Black Panther's unbreakable arm lock.

Second of all, who says the Hulk has unlimited power. No where does it say he has unlimited power. It says that the madder he gets the more powerful he gets. Well... eventually everyone reaches a point when they can get no madder than they already are. Lets say someone kills someone close to you... thats probably as mad as you will ever get right? That is basically what happened in WWH. Someone he loved was killed. That means that the Hulk we see in WWH is as strong as he is probably going to get. I think Galatus or any of the other beings I refered to can still wipe him off the face of the universe.How can there be a cap on someone's anger? Let's say Reed Richards for some reason decides that the best way to stop the Hulk is to kill off the rest of his Warbound, and then does so. Are you telling me that Hulk wouldn't be madder at Reed than he is at the rest of the Illuminati?

Besides the Hulk has already been mad enough to overcome the force between matter and anti-matter and has been pissed enough to rip through the fabric of the universe. Even cosmic characters are going to have a tough time getting much stronger than that. But don't take my word for it.

Let's see what Rom the SpaceKnight says:http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/Strongest-IH296.jpg

Or the Beyonder:
http://files.photojerk.com/Jonathanos/Strongest-SWII8.jpg

[DaeJi]

I think muscle to muscle the Hulk is the strongest non-cosmic/higher deity character in Marvel. That doesn't mean he's the most powerful: Thor, Surfer, Dr. Strange, etc. have shown to be overall more powerful.

[Quinch]

The Hulk is not the strongest character in the Marvel Universe in either battle standards or strength. First of all the list of characters that can beat the Hulk every time by any means (other than strength) is enormous:

Silver Surfer, Thanos, Galactus, Thor (dimensional warp) and a ton of other characters.


Surfer is not as strong as Hulk. As durable or more so yes. He can amp his strength yes but not to enraged Hulk levels. Surfers powers are mainly in EP and transmutation. Can he beat Hulk? Sure. If Hulk gets in pounding range can he beat Surfer? Sure. Look at Planet Hulk - yes yes they were both depowered but Surfer had been there longer and was therefore stronger than Hulk. Didn't help him though.
Thanos himself stated he always went out of his way to avoid facing the Hulk. (the old Savage - not the Merged from infinity gauntlet) that should tell you something. Hulk has nothing Thanos wants or needs so he's unlikely to risk his life over a ego brawl.
Galactus? He's a cosmic abstract!! You going to bring the Living Tribunal and Death into this too?


In terms of strength, maybe the Juggernaut, Silver Surfer (cosmic power can grant just about any power), Thanos and any number of other cosmic beings or gods. Lets not forget about the Universe, Molecule Man, Death and all those heavy hitters.

Juggs? Not a chance. Low level cl 100. Thor? Nope. If you see what happens to Thor when he hasn't got his hammer versus Hulk you'll see the strength difference in a very brutal way. Molecule man's ability wasn't really strength and ohlordyouDIDbringDeathintoit...
Sighs.. Cosmic abstracts ok? Only Kirby is above them.



Second of all, who says the Hulk has unlimited power. No where does it say he has unlimited power. It says that the madder he gets the more powerful he gets. Well... eventually everyone reaches a point when they can get no madder than they already are. Lets say someone kills someone close to you... thats probably as mad as you will ever get right? That is basically what happened in WWH. Someone he loved was killed. That means that the Hulk we see in WWH is as strong as he is probably going to get. I think Galatus or any of the other beings I refered to can still wipe him off the face of the universe.

You say this like you were the first one to think of this... As if everyone following Hulk hadn't worked this out long ago.
Firstly Reed, Doom, Samson, Leader and pretty much every editorial says there is no practical limit to the Hulk's strength. Sorry if thats not what you want to hear but that's comics for you. I wasn't personally thrilled about Imoortal Wolverine but it's cannon. Difference is Hulk has ALWAYS been written that way.
Basically to get you up to speed - it isn't a scale of 1-100 of angry. Its as long as he is angry his strength speed durability and healing all go up at very high rate. The rate is not even geometricaly set. Sometimes he will reach 3 X his base strength after fighting for 20 mins, other time depending on his motivation he can separate *matter and anti matter* (just because Spider Man has said he couldn't do it) in about 10 seconds. What sort of strength would you need to separate matter and anti matter?
I mean no character in the MU has ever done that with physical force.
You know why? Because it's impossible.
So is grabbing energy fields and destroying celestial proof equipment but you know what?
He's done that too.
Anger his just basically a byproduct of his motivation. Moan all you like but it's *in the comics* and not in the last 2 years or so but probably before you were born.

Oh and there you go with Galactus again. I tell you who can beat Hulk.
You.
By throwing the comic away.

Oh you also beat galactus too...
Sheesh.
Galactus
:rolleyes:

[Soulfire2]

LOL at Thor being able to beat the Hulk everytime.

What are the Silver Surfer's feats of strength. From what I've seen of the Heralds of Galactus, they haven't been too impressive in the strength department. Terrax got outmuscled by Sentry. Firelord was slapped around by Spider-man. And Surfer himself fell victim to Black Panther's unbreakable arm lock.

How can there be a cap on someone's anger? Let's say Reed Richards for some reason decides that the best way to stop the Hulk is to kill off the rest of his Warbound, and then does so. Are you telling me that Hulk wouldn't be madder at Reed than he is at the rest of the Illuminati?

Besides the Hulk has already been mad enough to overcome the force between matter and anti-matter and has been pissed enough to rip through the fabric of the universe. Even cosmic characters are going to have a tough time getting much stronger than that.

First of all Thor could beat the Hulk everytime if he used Mjolnir. That's why I said "dimensional warp". Mjolnir is able to open interdimensional portals, allowing its wielder to travel to other dimensions, such as from Earth to Asgard. The hammer can also be used to create portals to travel great distances within the same dimension. If Thor opened up one of these around the Hulk how could the Hulk ever beat him?

It is true we have never seen the Silver Surfer use great feats of strength but that is because he doesn't have to. Would you use your strength if you could just snap your fingers and make things happen like he does. My point is, the power cosmic gives you the ability to do just about anything. I'm sure he could give himself as much strength as the Hulk if he wanted to. The Silver Surfer can destroy planets and revive dead planets. I'm sure he would have no problem with the Hulk. Draining all his gamma radiation and saying "have a nice day" is just one of the ways to beat him.

Lets not forget that the ship blowing up killed more than just the alien chick he was in love with in WWH. It killed countless others. Again, the Hulk is as mad as he can get now. Accept it. If you don't think so, tell me a time when the Hulk has been any madder.

[Soulfire2]

I'll take this one at a time as well. There is no way the Hulk can beat the Silver Surfer!!! Let's say that the Huk does have unlimited anger just for the sake of arguement. Let's also say that the Hulk and Silver Surfer both went all out on each other. The Silver Surfer could fly up out of orbit where the Hulk couldn't even touch him. Then he could blow up the entire Earth (I know Surfer would never do that but just for the sake of argument) if he wanted too. How is the Hulk going to survive something like that? I don't care how mad he is!

[Quinch]

First of all Thor could beat the Hulk everytime if he used Mjolnir. That's why I said "dimensional warp". Mjolnir is able to open interdimensional portals, allowing its wielder to travel to other dimensions, such as from Earth to Asgard. The hammer can also be used to create portals to travel great distances within the same dimension. If Thor opened up one of these around the Hulk how could the Hulk ever beat him?

If you went to the battles board you would know this is called BFR and to test fights they put them in the Areana where it can't happen cos it's an easy out.
Thor's Godblast on the other hand yes. If it hits Hulk then Hulks dead for a couple of years. Hulk could duck I guess and it takes a while to charge..


It is true we have never seen the Silver Surfer use great feats of strength but that is because he doesn't have to. Would you use your strength if you could just snap your fingers and make things happen like he does. My point is, the power cosmic gives you the ability to do just about anything. I'm sure he could give himself as much strength as the Hulk if he wanted to. The Silver Surfer can destroy planets and revive dead planets. I'm sure he would have no problem with the Hulk. Draining all his gamma radiation and saying "have a nice day" is just one of the ways to beat him.

Draining Hulk wont work anymore. See the above Rom scan. No Surfer can not amp his strength to Hulk max since there is no max. Dynamic strength is a bitch to emulate.


Lets not forget that the ship blowing up killed more than just the alien chick he was in love with in WWH. It killed countless others. Again, the Hulk is as mad as he can get now. Accept it. If you don't think so, tell me a time when the Hulk has been any madder.
Hulk's probably never been madder.
On the other hand I still say Savage Hulk had the highest ability for upper strength levels. A lack of thought and repression makes it easier for him to get to dimension destroying thunderclap. Plus WWH is less durable than Savage . On the other hand he heals much faster, has a tactical brain, is focussed (ie wont look at the fluffy clouds get bored and wander off in the middle of a fight as he was known to do before) and did actually pull a planet back together so he isn't THAT weak. :)

[Quinch]

I'll take this one at a time as well. There is no way the Hulk can beat the Silver Surfer!!! Let's say that the Huk does have unlimited anger just for the sake of arguement. Let's also say that the Hulk and Silver Surfer both went all out on each other. The Silver Surfer could fly up out of orbit where the Hulk couldn't even touch him. Then he could blow up the entire Earth (I know Surfer would never do that but just for the sake of argument) if he wanted too. How is the Hulk going to survive something like that? I don't care how mad he is!
This should be in the battle board I think. If we are getting down to specifics like this Mike will lock it.

And actually there is a way Hulk can beat SS . Get close to him and smash.
Can Surfer beat Hulk? Damn right.
Is surfer stronger than Hulk's upper levels? No.

[ivesaidway2much]

I'll take this one at a time as well. There is no way the Hulk can beat the Silver Surfer!!! Let's say that the Huk does have unlimited anger just for the sake of arguement. Let's also say that the Hulk and Silver Surfer both went all out on each other. The Silver Surfer could fly up out of orbit where the Hulk couldn't even touch him. Then he could blow up the entire Earth (I know Surfer would never do that but just for the sake of argument) if he wanted too. How is the Hulk going to survive something like that? I don't care how mad he is!Quinch is right it's definitely better to stay away from specifics. So I'll answer this quiestion by posting a picture of the Hulk generating enough force to shatter something twice the size of the Earth.

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/asteroidstrength.jpg

[CMBMOOL]

IF you all what prove of the Hulk's strength against the odds then click on these sites connections:

Hulk Vs Gamma powered enemies:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/gammaattacks/gammaattacks.html

Hulk vs Marvel Heroes:

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulksmashes.html

THe Hulk's incredible Feats of Strength:

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/incrediblefeats.html

Is that enough prove for you all. :D

[Spiffy]

"With a little help from experiemental anti-magnetic jet-propelled fortified rocket springs."

[Tinmansstory]

Isn't the Gladiator's weakness that the more scared he gets, the weaker he is? All the Hulk has to do is scare him enough and he's a goner. He may have been tough to begin with, but he's been a watered down threat for years.

[ivesaidway2much]

"With a little help from experiemental anti-magnetic jet-propelled fortified rocket springs."By my very conservative esimates, the force necessary to shatter an object that big is in the neighborhood of several billion times stronger than the most powerful nuke (~50 megatons) ever made. Even if the shattering was completely the work of the boots (but then why would they need the Hulk), that level of durability is still fairly impressive.

[DaeJi]

Meh, super-powerful characters like the Hulk and Surfer and Thor are only as powerful as the writer wants them. Overall the Hulk is going to win more fights because he's more popular.

[Quinch]

Meh, super-powerful characters like the Hulk and Surfer and Thor are only as powerful as the writer wants them. Overall the Hulk is going to win more fights because he's more popular.

Funnily enough Thor and Hulk have never beaten each other of course. Hulk is more popular and better known but marvel keeps them as peers.

Surfer? He's just too much to handle unless you have a brick...

[Hulk Strongest One]

No, Hulk has never beaten Jug, not even close, actually.

Not quite true. An earlier story had Juggernaut behind him trying to break Hulk's neck (after jumping on him first), and the Hulk reached back and one-handed Juggy and spun him around and flung him.

The Hulk left the fight after that, but he had apparently at least reached the strength of manhandling Juggernaut without concern.

And the same fight with the "psychic backlash" also has the Hulk punching Juggy in the gut so hard he falls to his knees with the wind knocked out of him.

[PatchMadripoor]

going back to the Abomination being stronger than the baseline Hulk.

It been noted time and again by the Hulkbusters and various other groups that set up the Abomination to fight against the Hulk. But after the Hulk's time in Planet Sakaar, and after the bomb, the Hulk's strength level is far above his baseline now.

Abomination would need a power up to match him.

[ivesaidway2much]

going back to the Abomination being stronger than the baseline Hulk.

It been noted time and again by the Hulkbusters and various other groups that set up the Abomination to fight against the Hulk. But after the Hulk's time in Planet Sakaar, and after the bomb, the Hulk's strength level is far above his baseline now.

Abomination would need a power up to match him.As of She-Hulk #18, Emil would probably need to get his powers back first.

[Chubber]

By my very conservative esimates, the force necessary to shatter an object that big is in the neighborhood of several billion times stronger than the most powerful nuke (~50 megatons) ever made.
LOL, this made me laugh. I can just see you sitting there with an abacus and a bunch of open text books, making all of these asinine calculations.

[jmc247]

I think muscle to muscle the Hulk is the strongest non-cosmic/higher deity character in Marvel. That doesn't mean he's the most powerful: Thor, Surfer, Dr. Strange, etc. have shown to be overall more powerful.

Certainly. The Hulk was beaten twice by Magneto in the 1970s in the Defenders and Champions.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Mags.jpg

And, AU Magneto was able to deal with zombie Hulk many times wereas Silver Surfer got his head eaten off by zombie Hulk.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/mags2.jpg

Hulk is the strongest there is, but being a top tier energy or magic minipulator has great advantages as well.

[ivesaidway2much]

Certainly. The Hulk was beaten twice by Magneto in the 1970s in the Defenders and Champions.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Mags.jpg

And, AU Magneto was able to deal with zombie Hulk many times wereas Silver Surfer got his head eaten off by zombie Hulk.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/mags2.jpg

Hulk is the strongest there is, but being a top tier energy or magic minipulator has great advantages as well.30 Years ago Black Bolt had a pretty good record against the Hulk, too.

[jmc247]

30 Years ago Black Bolt had a pretty good record against the Hulk, too.

Of course characters change powers over time. Modern day 616 Magneto (who won't be facing Hulk in WWH) could just warp space time and send Hulk across the universe. The writers have had to up Magneto's powers over the years as superhero teams have gotten stronger to keep him a character that can solo a major superhero team or two.

[ivesaidway2much]

Of course characters change powers over time. Modern day 616 Magneto (who won't be facing Hulk in WWH) could just warp space time and send Hulk across the universe. The writers have had to up Magneto's powers over the years as superhero teams have gotten stronger to keep him a character that can solo a major superhero team or two.What is it with you energy manipulator fans and your space warps? There are a million and one cheap ways the Hulk could beat Magneto, too. For instance, he could comandeer a space satellite, spy on Magneto until he falls asleep, and then drop a mountain on him. He could camp outside of Westchester until Magneto showed up to defeat those cursed X-men once and for all, and then during the fight sneak up behind Mags and go all Mr. Hyde vs. Invisible Man on him. Or destroy the Earth or a significant portion of it with any number of impressive feats of strength and/or durability while Magneto was busy doing something or someone;) else. But the Hulk would never do anything like that because he actually has something I like to call pride.

So I'm curious jmc247, when do you think Magneto lost his testicles? Did he lose them after getting his butt kicked over and over again? Did Wanda take them along with his powers? Why can't he try to hold the Hulk in a magnetic stasis field again? Or try to pull the iron out of his blood. Or, heck, at least throw some tanks at him or something? Is Magneto really that afraid of the Hulk? Or is he just a coward in general?

[ivesaidway2much]

***double Post****

[Bosesurround]

The Hulk is not the strongest character in the Marvel Universe in either battle standards or strength.

Greg Pak would not agree with you. He said no one is stronger than the hulk in comics (barring cosmic beings, LT, Eternity and so on...)

[thronzeblast]

Certainly. The Hulk was beaten twice by Magneto in the 1970s in the Defenders and Champions.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Mags.jpg

And, AU Magneto was able to deal with zombie Hulk many times wereas Silver Surfer got his head eaten off by zombie Hulk.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/mags2.jpg

Hulk is the strongest there is, but being a top tier energy or magic minipulator has great advantages as well.



Being the strongest does not translate to being the most powerfull.I notice in this picture you convienently left out that magneto took out xavier the most powerful telepath and Strange most power magic user.

We are talking about physical strenght here Magneto is not physically stronger than hulk,Surfer is a cosmic being,Strange is not physically stronger than hulk,Thor is not physically stronger than hulk.Thor is not physically stronge that hulk.not stronger what thor does have is a badass freaking hammer.That can open up dimensional portal's absorb energy redirected it and do all sort's of cool stuff.Blackbolt is not stronger that hulk but has a variety of power's that could defeat hulk.

I think what is being stated is that this version of the hulk is the strongest one there is and we all know the madder hulk get's the stronger he get's.Some of you guys are comparing hulk with galactus and death i mean come on im pretty sure those two can juggle a couple planet's if they wanted to there cosmic and can increase there strength to unimaginable proportions.

[Quinch]

Yep The x franchise fan service doesn't crossover well to mainsttream MU.
Magneto taking down Strange??
Nope. Not in a million . Sorry just no.

[ivesaidway2much]

Yep The x franchise fan service doesn't crossover well to mainsttream MU.
Magneto taking down Strange??
Nope. Not in a million . Sorry just no.Going by the version appearing in Bendis' New Avengers, I'm not sure Jubilee couldn't take him down if she had to.

[Quinch]

Going by the version appearing in Bendis' New Avengers, I'm not sure Jubilee couldn't take him down if she had to.

You mean Strange?
And there was someone over in X forums complaining about Xmen jobbing...
It's unreal.

[VaultMan]

"Hulk officially the strongest in Marvel". That's been widely accepted for a very long time, since it always meant in raw physical strength. Juggernaut at his very best could not compete with the Hulk in the pure strength department. The reason these two were such a good match was because of Juggy's invulnerability. The Hulk simply couldn't hurt him no matter how mad he got (of course juggy never killed betty which could of sent him off the deep). On the other hand Juggernaut could hurt Hulk for awhile until his healing factor was at full speed.

I agree. The Hulk has always been "the strongest one there is" but he's just on another level right now. He was class 100 before, now he's got to be considered 100+ strength level, equivalent with some Asgardians...

[jmc247]

What is it with you energy manipulator fans and your space warps? There are a million and one cheap ways the Hulk could beat Magneto, too. For instance, he could comandeer a space satellite, spy on Magneto until he falls asleep, and then drop a mountain on him.

Magneto moves mountains with ease as well. What do you think happened to the Genoshan insurgency? Magneto dropped a mountain on them. In a one on one fight, which is what I was talking about, Magneto because of his powers has far more tricks that would make it very hard for Hulk to win. Warping space time to create wormholes isn't some kind of machine Magneto has, it is an ability he has learned.

So I'm curious jmc247, when do you think Magneto lost his testicles? Did he lose them after getting his butt kicked over and over again? Did Wanda take them along with his powers? Why can't he try to hold the Hulk in a magnetic stasis field again? Or try to pull the iron out of his blood. Or, heck, at least throw some tanks at him or something? Is Magneto really that afraid of the Hulk? Or is he just a coward in general

Magneto has no interest in Hulk's battle. If the Hulk threatens Magneto's interests then he might take action, but otherwise I doubt he cares about the Hulk actions any more then Doom does.

The Hulk is incredibly powerful and even managed to beat and eat the Silver Surfer in Marvel Zombies, but that Hulk fought Mags several times and suffice it to say Hulk didn't win.

[ledgic_13]

as far as power goes against the hulk how about nathane crane aka supreme...,tyrant is another dangerous mofo...allthough hulk did beat up gladiator i still would like t osee an ultra confident gladiator fight war hulk...sentry(robert reynold) damn sure is way more powerfull,even said spider-man in world war hulk.in New Avengers #24 he claims to have the power of a million exploding suns, and the radiation that can make the hulk calm...i say sentry vs hulk sentry would win hands down!!

[Bulky Brent]

When Hulk fought BlackBolt I think BlackBolt may have underestimated the Hulk using his Master Fist so early in the fight for all we know he could've been recovering from the attack and he also though he had the Hulk beat. To be Honest I don't think that fight determined who was stronger because it could have ended differently...

[jigrig]

When Hulk fought BlackBolt I think BlackBolt may have underestimated the Hulk using his Master Fist so early in the fight for all we know he could've been recovering from the attack and he also though he had the Hulk beat. To be Honest I don't think that fight determined who was stronger because it could have ended differently...

Hulk has been, since his first day of existence, stronger than black bolt ever was or will ever be, FACT!

[Magneto Rocks]

Hulk has been, since his first day of existence, stronger than black bolt ever was or will ever be, FACT!

How can something which could happen in forty-three years be a fact?

If I ever break into comics I am so writing a story in which Black Bolt punches Hulk unconscious in a single blow and has him tidy Attilan :P

[Quinch]

How can something which could happen in forty-three years be a fact?

If I ever break into comics I am so writing a story in which Black Bolt punches Hulk unconscious in a single blow and has him tidy Attilan :P
Aw man you can do better than that!
And I think by the end of WWH when you are locked salely away and given crayons you probably will.

Seriously I'd feel exactly the same as you if Thor was given a summer crossover so I can really empathise :(

[Magneto Rocks]

Seriously I'd feel exactly the same as you if Thor was given a summer crossover so I can really empathise :(


I always have "The Reigning". It's like World War Thor but Thor actually slaughters most of the heroes off-panel and it takes him less than an issue to kill Captain America, the Hulk, Wolverine and the Thing without tremendous difficulty.

[Quinch]

So not as good as this one then :)

[Magneto Rocks]

So not as good as this one then :)

Perhaps not but I prefer a comic in which Thor slaughters half the universe which manages to present his side of the debate better than the Hulk's side has been presented in WWH. Plus the Thor of "The Reigning" would eat WWH Hulk for breakfast so for sheer power levels I can be happier :p