Creed : Who Misses Them ?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I admit...I was a huge fan of Creed when they were a group. In fact me and my buddies have thier albums and we usually talk about them. Its a damn shame that Stapp and the Band aren't togethor anymore.

I know some think the Band was cookie cuter and all. But some of us liked it. I always loved thier songs. I can't wait to heat Stapp's new CD and I hope it has that old Creed feel.

[zombie]

I liked a couple songs from their first album, but they quickly grew too...grandiose, or something. I got the feeling that they felt they were bigger than they really were. Especially the singer. It just really put me off the band, and I stopped caring.

[Punchy]

*crickets*

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I liked a couple songs from their first album, but they quickly grew too...grandiose, or something. I got the feeling that they felt they were bigger than they really were. Especially the singer. It just really put me off the band, and I stopped caring.


I was reading some of Stapp's interviews at MTV. He admitted that his shyness with the media and his actions to the steriods he was on to ease pains in his back may have made him appear to be like that.

It was a good interview where he discussed Creed and his ex-Bandmates,. He never blasted them. He feels they didn't know his whole medical problems and why he was relunctant to play anymore Tours. ( Little boy at home, drugs hurting vocal cords...ect ect.)

[Hiromi]

I think they either tend to be grossly overated or grossly underated personally, I didn't mind some of their songs and they had a good guitarists who had several pretty good guitar solos.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think they either tend to be grossly overated or grossly underated personally, I didn't mind some of their songs and they had a good guitarists who had several pretty good guitar solos.


Yeah most of what I read online seems to be a hate towards them. I have no idea why. I guess its true, when ya become popular you get a target on your head.


I can't wait to hear Stapp's new album though. He's even bringing in Hip Hop producers for it.

[zombie]

Yeah most of what I read online seems to be a hate towards them. I have no idea why. I guess its true, when ya become popular you get a target on your head.

Or, you know, people just don't like them.

[kid cthulhu]

I just think they're posers riding the Pearl Jam bandwagon, only with worse lyrics.

[blackdragon6]

I think they either tend to be grossly overated or grossly underated personally, I didn't mind some of their songs and they had a good guitarists who had several pretty good guitar solos.this sums them up perfectly.............

[Hiromi]

I just think they're posers riding the Pearl Jam bandwagon, only with worse lyrics.
I never saw much similarity between them and Pearl Jam, for one thing Stapp had more range, and their song structure tended to be more complex.

[JeffreyWKramer]

We all know Crocker is saddened by Creed no longer being together. Thankfully he has the new Oasis album to keep him from dwelling on his grief.

[ghostrider666]

And here I expected another Korn-like thread.

[elheffe]

I miss Creed like I miss the plague.

[Tadhg]

I was going to say I know a bunch of 12 year olds that are sad, but they're all high school graduates now. YIKES!

[Valmore]

Creed was okay if you just took them for what they were - a modernized throwback to late 70's/early 80's arena rock. Their songs were decent enough, but just horrendously overplayed. It didn't help that Scott Stapp was a pompous ass, though.

They're not nearly as bad as those that hate them the worst would say, but they're not nearly as good as those who love them the best would say.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

And here I expected another Korn-like thread.


I know many expected this to be a joke thread about Creed. But I always liked them. People dismiss them like they dismiss the Monkees. And it irks me because the Monkees had some great tunes and all.

[DDM]

I don't miss Creed at all. I expect Stapp to have one ABBA cover song in his discography at some point.

[Hiromi]

Creed was okay if you just took them for what they were - a modernized throwback to late 70's/early 80's arena rock. Their songs were decent enough, but just horrendously overplayed. It didn't help that Scott Stapp was a pompous ass, though.

They're not nearly as bad as those that hate them the worst would say, but they're not nearly as good as those who love them the best would say.


Thats like the best def. I've seen of Creed like ever.

[Headhunter]

Creed was okay if you just took them for what they were - a modernized throwback to late 70's/early 80's arena rock. Their songs were decent enough, but just horrendously overplayed. It didn't help that Scott Stapp was a pompous ass, though.

They're not nearly as bad as those that hate them the worst would say, but they're not nearly as good as those who love them the best would say.
That's exactly it.

They also relied too much on Stapp's voice, the way Nickelback rides way too heavily on Chad Kroeger's vocals to carry a song. It's not that the other members can't step up (they can), they just need to reign in the lead vocals to prevent them from smothering everything else.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I think they either tend to be grossly overated or grossly underated personally, I didn't mind some of their songs and they had a good guitarists who had several pretty good guitar solos.
yeah this does sums them up pretty well,Mark Tremonti was a bad ass guitar player and he's on my list of favorite guitarists.technicly their still togeather as alter bridge.the new lead singer has a decent voice but he's not using it right atleast imho.i guess he has to grow on me.

[The Mirrorball Man]

I can't say I've ever heard any Creed album. They were big in the States, right?

[howyadoin]

Hate.

.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Hate.
Don't be hatin'!

[CaptMagellan]

I really liked Creed's first album. I liked Stapp's voice, the lyrics, and the music. But with each subsequent album they became preachier - the lyrics became overtly moralistic and religious (or 'spiritual' if you prefer) to the point of being embarrassing.

I also found that the music started sounding the same. Some people like a band to be predictable but I like it when musicians grow and experiment with their sounds.

I think they were a good band but for me, their music became boring, preachy and/or melodramatic.

[Ponda]

I don't miss Creed at all. I expect Stapp to have one ABBA cover song in his discography at some point.

Hey, come on now, some good artists have covered ABBA.
My only example is Mike Oldfield, but he did an ABBA cover on QE2 (circa 1980) that I like. I suspect it has a lot more to do with Mike than with ABBA, but there you have it nonetheless.

With that said, I have never been a fan of Creed and if they ever reunite, I hope it can stay off the radio stations that I listen to.
I've tried to understand why people like them, but I just can't.
They're quite welcome to make music. I'd just rather not listen to it.

[Lubichev]

David Cross said that Creed Lyrics were like bad 8th grade poetry. It is funny because it is true. For a funny story about Creed's lead singer and David Cross (who doesn't hide the fact that he hated Creed) during the Celebrity Poker Tour, listen to the hidden track on Dave's "It's Not Funny"
CD on SubPop. Ho-hi-larious.
I used to argue with the bus driver when I was touring about the merits of Creed. One never convinced the other but I gave it my best shot. Then again, he was a big fan of "Veggie Tales" too, so he was already a lost cause.

[Shellhead]

I know many expected this to be a joke thread about Creed. But I always liked them. People dismiss them like they dismiss the Monkees. And it irks me because the Monkees had some great tunes and all.

The Monkees eventually even learned to perform those songs. But initially, they were kind of a Milli Vanilli deal.

I didn't hate Creed, but I found them quite generic and forgettable.

[leonaozaki]

I hated Creed the moment I first heard them. I do not miss them at all. I wish, in fact, there was a way to travel back in time and remove them from existence.

Well, maybe I didn't hate them that bad. But I sure didn't like them.

rob

[Arrjay]

I miss Creed like I miss the plague.

That pretty much sums it up. They suck like a stinky crap.

[CaptMagellan]

Heh... that reminds of of something Chas. Bolun once wrote in regards to some movie he was reviewing: "Sucks the farts out of dead cats."

[DDM]

Hey, come on now, some good artists have covered ABBA.
My only example is Mike Oldfield, but he did an ABBA cover on QE2 (circa 1980) that I like. I suspect it has a lot more to do with Mike than with ABBA, but there you have it nonetheless.

With that said, I have never been a fan of Creed and if they ever reunite, I hope it can stay off the radio stations that I listen to.
I've tried to understand why people like them, but I just can't.
They're quite welcome to make music. I'd just rather not listen to it.

ABBA is the antithesis to what Creed stood for. However, I see Stapp trying his best to get on the radio with an ABBA cover song.

[CaptMagellan]

ABBA is the antithesis to what Creed stood for. However, I see Stapp trying his best to get on the radio with an ABBA cover song.

heh. I always thought some Norwegian Black Metal band would be the antithesis to what Creed stood for... or Tool... I used to love the veiled comments against Creed on the Tool website back before Lateralus came out.

[Ilash]

Well, I think you could guess what my stance is on Creed but I absolutely detest them. And that's just from the singles I heard on MTV or whatever. Mind you, if it is any consolation, I don't hate them anymore than Nickleback or, um, one of the other million faceless offensively inoffensive middle of the road modern rock bands that no one will remember in five years.

[Archyduke]

Creed was always one of those bands I never noticed until somebody pointed them out to me. I mean, I'd heard them on the radio tons of times, but my brain had just kind of swerved around them. Bland, bland, bland stuff.

[DDM]

Creed was always one of those bands I never noticed until somebody pointed them out to me. I mean, I'd heard them on the radio tons of times, but my brain had just kind of swerved around them. Bland, bland, bland stuff.

Creed pandered & purposely made radio friendly music. That's why I find them bland.

[Bard]

I admit...I was a huge fan of Creed when they were a group. In fact me and my buddies have thier albums and we usually talk about them. Its a damn shame that Stapp and the Band aren't togethor anymore.

I know some think the Band was cookie cuter and all. But some of us liked it. I always loved thier songs. I can't wait to heat Stapp's new CD and I hope it has that old Creed feel.

Yep, and to think I knew Stapp when he was a waiter at the local Applebee's and moonlighting at Floyd's music.

[howyadoin]

Yep, and to think I knew Stapp when he was a waiter at the local Applebee's and moonlighting at Floyd's music.Was he shirtless with his chest oiled up back then, too?

[Sanagi]

I tried to ignore them, along with the rest of the stuff on the radio and music TV, so I can't really talk about their music that much. But I will say this for them: Creed is a million times better a band name than Alter Bridge.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Was he shirtless with his chest oiled up back then, too?


Odds are he would walk over and with that Eddie Vedder growlin voice: " I Just Heard The News Today , Seems Like My Lifes Gonna Change. You Gonna Order Are Beer Wide Opennnnn."

Your girlfriend faints as he takes the Rocker/Waiter pose. ;)

[zombie]

You have to admire Stapp's skillful use of the double passion fist though.

[Adam Crocker]

Creed pandered & purposely made radio friendly music. That's why I find them bland.

On the other hand ABBA purposefully made radio friendly music as well. Their manager encouraged them write hits. For example, he had them submit their first single "Ring Ring" to the Eurovision Song Contest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest) while "Waterloo" was inspired by the success of glam rock in England and thus appropriated elements of that style.

Of course the main difference was that Benny and Bjorn were superlative pop songwriters and arrangers with immaculate hooks while Creed were a derivative post-grunge, hardrock act.

[CaptMagellan]

I've now got the strange fusion of Abba and Creed lyrics going through my head...

They were closer now Fernando
Every hour every minute seemed to last eternally
I was so afraid Fernando
That you should have been dead
on a Sunday Morning
Banging your head
no time for mourning
you ain't got no time
Fernando.

[DDM]

On the other hand ABBA purposefully made radio friendly music as well. Their manager encouraged them write hits. For example, he had them submit their first single "Ring Ring" to the Eurovision Song Contest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest) while "Waterloo" was inspired by the success of glam rock in England and thus appropriated elements of that style.

Of course the main difference was that Benny and Bjorn were superlative pop songwriters and arrangers with immaculate hooks while Creed were a derivative post-grunge, hardrock act.

"Waterloo" is also about Napoleon's surrender & exile as much as it is a love song; which makes the song brilliant.

[CaptMagellan]

"My Own Waterloo" the newest hit single from "Crabba"

[Adam Crocker]

"Waterloo" is also about Napoleon's surrender & exile as much as it is a love song; which makes the song brilliant.

Well I read it not so much as though it was also Napoleon, but that his surrender and exile was treated as metaphor for love. But I do agree that the song was brilliant.

[marko26]

David Cross said that Creed Lyrics were like bad 8th grade poetry. It is funny because it is true. For a funny story about Creed's lead singer and David Cross (who doesn't hide the fact that he hated Creed) during the Celebrity Poker Tour, listen to the hidden track on Dave's "It's Not Funny"


I must admit I came across this forum, and almost didn't believe what I was reading. I also miss Creed little, finding most of the criticism levelled at them almost bizarre.

I mean David Cross wrote a poem for starbucks to put on the side of their cups, which was really like 8th grade standard (as you americans would say). His criticism is irrelevant.

Stapp wrote some great lyrics on a lot of the songs. Of course, everyone writes a bad lyric sometime, but he certainly wrote far more good lyrics than most bands ever do. If you are using lyrics like "when you are with me, I'm free, I'm careless, I believe..." as examples you really need to look at some of the lyrics stapp wrote in the less radio friendly songs.

As for what Creed stood for.....in the early days it was far, far different to what they eventually became when being played on the radio everywhere and Stapp losing the plot. Some people should realise this.

[howyadoin]

I must admit I came across this forum, and almost didn't believe what I was reading.You signed up here just to resuscitate an argument from three years ago?

[marko26]

You signed up here just to resuscitate an argument from three years ago?

No, I thought I'd be asked this. I read through some of the other threads also and found the debates to be of a reasonable level compared with many other forums. That is what first attracted me to the music section of your boards, though.

I did have a little chuckle at the thread asking if Limp Bizkit were the best band of the 90's, no offence to anybody.

My point isn't only about Creed essentially. As a Brit, I find america's culture of the disposable celebrity quite shocking. I've never seen any country overhype bands/individuals to such an extent, only to shoot them down and ridicule them later on as if they were nothing. I can't quite believe how your media goes overkill on everything when it's hot almost inevitably starting a backlash of severe hatred.

[Jonathan Bogart]

As a Brit, I find america's culture of the disposable celebrity quite shocking. I've never seen any country overhype bands/individuals to such an extent, only to shoot them down and ridicule them later on as if they were nothing. I can't quite believe how your media goes overkill on everything when it's hot almost inevitably starting a backlash of severe hatred.
Bit pot calling the kettle black, no? Had a look at the NME any time in the past twenty years?

[howyadoin]

No, I thought I'd be asked this. I read through some of the other threads also and found the debates to be of a reasonable level compared with many other forums. That is what first attracted me to the music section of your boards, though.

I did have a little chuckle at the thread asking if Limp Bizkit were the best band of the 90's, no offence to anybody.

My point isn't only about Creed essentially. As a Brit, I find america's culture of the disposable celebrity quite shocking. I've never seen any country overhype bands/individuals to such an extent, only to shoot them down and ridicule them later on as if they were nothing. I can't quite believe how your media goes overkill on everything when it's hot almost inevitably starting a backlash of severe hatred.Well then, welcome to CBR. Two things, though: I'm not American, and as Jonathan pointed out, Brit pop-culture and media are easily as guilty of the very criticisms you're levelling here.

[GRANT!]

You signed up here just to resuscitate an argument from three years ago?

Plus he's arguing with a guy who hasn't posted here in over a year.

[twilight]

Bit pot calling the kettle black, no? Had a look at the NME any time in the past twenty years?

Jonathan beat me to it.

-Twi

[mgs]

no. once Stapp got all weird with his family sitations and religion, he ruined any and all potential they had, and that was not that much to begin with.

[howyadoin]

Plus he's arguing with a guy who hasn't posted here in over a year.I'm kinda hopin' Lubichev comes back just to answer that post.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its one of my threads !! Yess....yess I knew this day would come. I knew one of my threads would have someone pull it up after 3 years ! SHIT YEAH !!

Scott Stapp be praised.... strike the Jesus Pose !

[Michael P]

I miss Creed, but that'll change once I get the sights adjusted.

[stealthwise]

Alter Bridge is much, much better, so I don't miss Creed at all.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Alter Bridge is much, much better, so I don't miss Creed at all.

I like Alter Bridge ....don't get me wrong. I like "Rise Today" off the new album. But hell...I can picture Stapp singing the music since it sounds a lot like something Creed would do.

[marko26]

Bit pot calling the kettle black, no? Had a look at the NME any time in the past twenty years?

I agree with you, i find the NME atrocious, frankly. This is why I can't even bring myself to read a line of it.

However, it's not the pot calling the kettle black, because the NME certainly isn't indicative of the general media storm "en masse". It's harsh, short-sighted and critical to the point of character asassination.

The difference for me is this. The American media will build people up to a ridiculously high stature so early in their careers, hype the hell out of them in a way that's almost unheard of in any other country (and hype is something that America does in far greater quantities than anyone) only to basically perform a character assassination, eventually, at least as bitterly as the NME....BUT from every angle, which often seems to envelope the nation.

I like a lot of things about the U.S, I'm not anti-american by any means.

Stealthwise I've seen Alterbridge 3 times and met Mark Tremonti. In some ways they are better, other ways not IMO.

[Jonathan Bogart]

The difference for me is this. The American media will build people up to a ridiculously high stature so early in their careers, hype the hell out of them in a way that's almost unheard of in any other country (and hype is something that America does in far greater quantities than anyone) only to basically perform a character assassination, eventually, at least as bitterly as the NME....BUT from every angle, which often seems to envelope the nation.
I really don't see where you're getting this. Maybe from the outside the American media looks monolithic, but from inside, it is and has always been a lot of competing viewpoints. To take Creed as an example, there are media outlets that still think they're the greatest thing ever (because they sold a lot of records) and media outlets that slag them off (because they're not as cool as other bands) and media outlets that make fun of them (because they make fun of everything). In the mainstream news media, reports of Stapp's personal problems would even be accompanied with a "well, what do you expect from those rock & roll idiots anyway?" expression. Commercial success is the only thing they were ever really respected for, except among their teenage fanbase; they were always uncool, and I don't remember any instance of media hype that wasn't a paid promotion by their label.

[Ilash]

Yuck. No.

Creed Bratton rules though.

[Reptisaurus!]

Bit pot calling the kettle black, no? Had a look at the NME any time in the past twenty years?

I dunno. He doeskinda have a point. While the British were listening to such cutting edge, innovative artists as BoyZone and Take That, the American pop charts were clogged with crap like Nirvana, Biggie, and the White Stripes.

[marko26]

I really don't see where you're getting this. Maybe from the outside the American media looks monolithic, but from inside, it is and has always been a lot of competing viewpoints. To take Creed as an example, there are media outlets that still think they're the greatest thing ever (because they sold a lot of records) and media outlets that slag them off (because they're not as cool as other bands) and media outlets that make fun of them (because they make fun of everything). In the mainstream news media, reports of Stapp's personal problems would even be accompanied with a "well, what do you expect from those rock & roll idiots anyway?" expression. Commercial success is the only thing they were ever really respected for, except among their teenage fanbase; they were always uncool, and I don't remember any instance of media hype that wasn't a paid promotion by their label.

Well I have spent time in America, and I found the hype culture around especially music to be very destructive. My point is exactly what you say, really "there are some media outlets that love them, some that hate them". The point im trying to make is the lack of middle ground, clebrities tend to be hailed as temporary heroes, or as villains. Some of the media treatment as a towards "uncool" bands/celebrities etc is so brutal that you'd think these guys were responsible for the most brutal crimes known to man, such is the hatred and vendetta.

The amount of times you are subjected to the same songs, wherever you go, getting the same things hammered at you from all directions really is quite amazing. The concentration on a "cool" image is of a farcical degree. America does things, without doubt, bigger, louder and with more hype. The repetition and ridiculous short attention span nature of music television there also needs to be seen to be believed, and unfortunately the uk is slowly gravitating towards this.

"Commercial success is the only thing they were ever respected for, apart from among their teenage fanbase"? That's not true....I know plenty of down to earth, intelligent guys in their 20's (like me, in my 20's i mean!) 30's and 40's that couldn't give a damn about record sales but have respect for them due to the strength of their songwriting.

[howyadoin]

Well I have spent time in America, and I found the hype culture around especially music to be very destructive. My point is exactly what you say, really "there are some media outlets that love them, some that hate them". The point im trying to make is the lack of middle ground, clebrities tend to be hailed as temporary heroes, or as villains. Some of the media treatment as a towards "uncool" bands/celebrities etc is so brutal that you'd think these guys were responsible for the most brutal crimes known to man, such is the hatred and vendetta.And again, how is this different from the British music scene?

[marko26]

It's different because of the EXTENT to which it happens in the U.S, I feel.

You may disagree of course, but I honestly think the intensity with which the U.S media carries out previously mentioned hero worship and appointment of villain status on such fickle grounds, as the norm, is something that is only repeated by the minority of worst offending publications in the U.K.

The problem this creates is that there is less space for the middle ground. I think the differences are shown to an extent in how most U.S stations deliver their news also, it's hard not to notice the difference when comparing with news in the United Kingdom.

[howyadoin]

It's different because of the EXTENT to which it happens in the U.S, I feel.

You may disagree of course, but I honestly think the intensity with which the U.S media carries out previously mentioned hero worship and appointment of villain status on such fickle grounds, as the norm, is something that is only repeated by the minority of worst offending publications in the U.K.The U.S. is a pretty big country. Do you honestly think you've experienced a big enough chunk of their media to make proclamations like that one?

Don't get wrong; I'm not for a second denying that it happens. I just think you've probably been exposed to a small slice of American media and are assuming it's all like that.

Personally, though, I think nearly all entertainment media is inherently worthless.

[jesse_custer]

Well, in all fairness, none of us can really give a proper response to marko unless we've spent some time in Britain. He could be right or wrong.