Oct. 3. WWE returns to greatness.

[MagnetoSucks]

As you should know WWE is moving to USA.

During that night the returns of Mick Foley, Austin, and HHH should all happen. Even a return of the beautiful Trish Stratus could be on that date.

It has been rumored on numerous wrestling sites that Foley and Austin might make an appearance. HHH's return is set for that date.

So, WWE has been sucking, but it will only get better with those returns.

[Dennis K]

And in trailer parks across America, there was much rejoicing.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

As you should know WWE is moving to USA.

During that night the returns of Mick Foley, Austin, and HHH should all happen. Even a return of the beautiful Trish Stratus could be on that date.

It has been rumored on numerous wrestling sites that Foley and Austin might make an appearance. HHH's return is set for that date.

So, WWE has been sucking, but it will only get better with those returns.


Foley I can handle but Austin and HHH ? Also to say the WWE has been sucking is a huge leap. RAW has been pretty solid leading up to Summerslam.

[JohnPopa]

Really, what's so much better about WWE going back to Foley and Austin now than when they kept going back to Hogan in the late eighties and early nineties at the expense of the Bret Harts and Shawn Michaels who were there and ready to carry the banner?

Loved Foley and Austin and Foley's probably intent on putting over talent but the casual audience into those guys for a bit in the late nineties isn't going to care about seeing them be shells of their glory days.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Really, what's so much better about WWE going back to Foley and Austin now than when they kept going back to Hogan in the late eighties and early nineties at the expense of the Bret Harts and Shawn Michaels who were there and ready to carry the banner?

Loved Foley and Austin and Foley's probably intent on putting over talent but the casual audience into those guys for a bit in the late nineties isn't going to care about seeing them be shells of their glory days.


Foley really besides Cena,Batista or Edge no one to put over. If they book an Edge/Foley fued then....thats cool. I can see it working.

[YoungG03]

Foley coming back to do what? I like Austin to quarrl wit Eric some more....and Man I miss HHH but I want him on Smackdown (well maybe he can make Cena credible as champ.)

[StrawNilla]

Foley I can handle but Austin and HHH ? Also to say the WWE has been sucking is a huge leap. RAW has been pretty solid leading up to Summerslam.
SmackDown's not too shabby either.

[WhiskeyWomenAndBeltBuckles]

Really, what's so much better about WWE going back to Foley and Austin now than when they kept going back to Hogan in the late eighties and early nineties at the expense of the Bret Harts and Shawn Michaels who were there and ready to carry the banner?

Loved Foley and Austin and Foley's probably intent on putting over talent but the casual audience into those guys for a bit in the late nineties isn't going to care about seeing them be shells of their glory days.

Yeah and I would be one of those guys. I'd just be happy to see both Mick and Austin

[Royal]

*yawns*

Watch UFC on Spike or Pride on FSN. It'll get the message through to Vince.

[Gaz]

*yawns*

Watch UFC on Spike or Pride on FSN. It'll get the message through to Vince.
Or y'know, TNA?
MMA isn't competition, it's a DIFFERENT SPORT, man!

[Royal]

Or y'know, TNA?
MMA isn't competition, it's a DIFFERENT SPORT, man!

Oh, I know.

I just like *beep*ing with Vince is all.

"No reason. I just like doing those things."

PS: Please tell Brian Barron that too. He just can't seem to get it.

[GremlinClr]

As much as I love Foley, his time has past and really don't want to see him in the ring. On the mic is fine though.

[clayholio]

As much as I love Foley, his time has past and really don't want to see him in the ring. On the mic is fine though.

Perhaps, but his match with Orton last year was pretty damned good. I don't know that he'd be any worse for wear since that time, and his promos during that time frame were pretty damned good, too. I've got no problem with Foley being there, so long as there's a point to what he's doing.

[The Shadow]

Are Foley and Austin coming back to wrestle or just add some personality?

[Royal]

Are Foley and Austin coming back to wrestle or just add some personality?

Read scripts & stunt fight.

[Phoney Bone]

Unless Foley, Austin, HHH and Rock (if he ever returns) are putting over younger guys.... It's going to be the s.o.s. of the 90's.... only slower... a LOT slower.

The WWE needs NEW stars, just like it did in the 90's and it will never happpen until the "attitude era" (aka "ECW rip-off era") wrestlers start doing some heavy jobbing.

As bad as people talk about Carlito, Rob Coway, and Chris Masters and how they aren't "over"... people must not remeber the Blue Chipper, Hunter Hearst Helmsley the rich snob, and The Ringmaster... not a damn one of those three were ever over in the WWF until the 80's stars started putting them over clean. Unless the 90's guys do the same, I'm sticking with "Smackdown".


And I won't be watching TNA on Spyke. TNA is paying for the time slot, that makes it an infomercial. I refuse to watch infomercials.

[marshal99]

Put HHH on Smackdown but sadly it's not to be since he's suppose to come back to feud with Flair now that Flair is turning face.

Austin & Foley aren't going to be full time ring performer , they are probably going to be there once in a while to add some humor and mic work , and that's all there should be to it. Putting both of them on RAW will really crowd out the actual ring performers though.As it stands now , if HHH comes back , you will get the obligatory 20 minute HHH promo where he will blab on about how he's the game , he will get the championship belt back and so on and so forth and hog the show and interfere in the main event if the belt is on the line. Even without HHH , Shelton Benjamin , Eugene & Kerwin White are all fighting for spots on the show and are seemingly featured on alternate weeks , what will happened when RVD comes back ? Too many stars , too many backstage promos , not enough wrestling matches.

[MagnetoSucks]

After watching another sucky edition of Raw. I'm dieing to see Oct. 3rd come around. HHH, Austin, and Foley's returns. Hell, WWE is only going to get better.

[Gaz]

Unless Foley, Austin, HHH and Rock (if he ever returns) are putting over younger guys.... It's going to be the s.o.s. of the 90's.... only slower... a LOT slower.

The WWE needs NEW stars, just like it did in the 90's and it will never happpen until the "attitude era" (aka "ECW rip-off era") wrestlers start doing some heavy jobbing.

As bad as people talk about Carlito, Rob Coway, and Chris Masters and how they aren't "over"... people must not remeber the Blue Chipper, Hunter Hearst Helmsley the rich snob, and The Ringmaster... not a damn one of those three were ever over in the WWF until the 80's stars started putting them over clean. Unless the 90's guys do the same, I'm sticking with "Smackdown".


And I won't be watching TNA on Spyke. TNA is paying for the time slot, that makes it an infomercial. I refuse to watch infomercials.

They AREN'T paying for it, that's why Spike are promoting it, they have a vested interest in it succeeding as they make more in advertising if it's successful. :)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Unless Foley, Austin, HHH and Rock (if he ever returns) are putting over younger guys.... It's going to be the s.o.s. of the 90's.... only slower... a LOT slower.

Expect Hogan/Austin to happen at Wrestlemania 22. And Rocky/Micheals as well. How this helps Edge,Cena,RVD and Benjimen is beyond me.

The WWE needs NEW stars, just like it did in the 90's and it will never happpen until the "attitude era" (aka "ECW rip-off era") wrestlers start doing some heavy jobbing.

I don't think they should bring in Austin & Foley and have them outright start jobbing. Thats not gonna be taken serious. But I can see Edge/Foley going 2 or 3 PPV's with them trading wins and all. Then have Foley put over Edge.

I can also see Micheals and RVD squarin off as well. Rob wants to face Shawn. And Rob should get some reward for being a company guy and working his ass off to get back by Oct. 3rd.

As bad as people talk about Carlito, Rob Coway, and Chris Masters and how they aren't "over"... people must not remeber the Blue Chipper, Hunter Hearst Helmsley the rich snob, and The Ringmaster... not a damn one of those three were ever over in the WWF until the 80's stars started putting them over clean. Unless the 90's guys do the same, I'm sticking with "Smackdown".

Conway,Carlito and Benjimen need the help. Masters is crap. Sorry...he hasn't showed me jack squat and Shawn will have to go and PRAY....PRAY he can get something from Masters at Unforgiven.

And I won't be watching TNA on Spyke. TNA is paying for the time slot, that makes it an infomercial. I refuse to watch infomercials.

Its not an infomercial. Thier not paying for the time. Go and read PWInsider.com. I said this once....TNA Is in a tradeoff with Spike TV. They get free Cable TV exposure and Spike gets the Advertising they sell.

Also Spike will re-air TNA's Impact on Monday Nights at Midnight....so sorry if you won't watch. ;)

[GremlinClr]

Expect Hogan/Austin to happen at Wrestlemania 22. And Rocky/Micheals as well. How this helps Edge,Cena,RVD and Benjimen is beyond me.


Hogan/Austin?! Man, I can smell the suck from here. Stone Cold as a character has to be the worst in ring worker I've ever seen. Which is sad cause Steve Austin as a wrestler used to be damn good. Did WWE make him change his style or was it his idea?

Rocky/Micheals...

...

...

...I don't know how I feel about this one. On the one hand, I love HBK. On the other I begrudgingly tolerate The Rock. Well HBK can carry an inanimate carbon rod to a 4 star match, I'm sure he can get a 2 star out of Rocky.















Maybe. *sssssssssssss* *BOOOOM*

[Gaz]

Expect Hogan/Austin to happen at Wrestlemania 22. And Rocky/Micheals as well. How this helps Edge,Cena,RVD and Benjimen is beyond me.


I don't think they should bring in Austin & Foley and have them outright start jobbing. Thats not gonna be taken serious. But I can see Edge/Foley going 2 or 3 PPV's with them trading wins and all. Then have Foley put over Edge.

I can also see Micheals and RVD squarin off as well. Rob wants to face Shawn. And Rob should get some reward for being a company guy and working his ass off to get back by Oct. 3rd.



Conway,Carlito and Benjimen need the help. Masters is crap. Sorry...he hasn't showed me jack squat and Shawn will have to go and PRAY....PRAY he can get something from Masters at Unforgiven.



Its not an infomercial. Thier not paying for the time. Go and read PWInsider.com. I said this once....TNA Is in a tradeoff with Spike TV. They get free Cable TV exposure and Spike gets the Advertising they sell.

Also Spike will re-air TNA's Impact on Monday Nights at Midnight....so sorry if you won't watch. ;)

Can we call you SuperECW/TNAFan now? :p

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Can we call you SuperECW/TNAFan now? :p


Wierdly in 2003 I considered a name change. I was really close to going with NWA-TNAFAN. But I felt It would hurt the legacy of SuperE !

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hogan/Austin?! Man, I can smell the suck from here. Stone Cold as a character has to be the worst in ring worker I've ever seen. Which is sad cause Steve Austin as a wrestler used to be damn good. Did WWE make him change his style or was it his idea?


Steve Austin to his credit does try at least. He has struggled since 1997 with a bad neck that has gotten worse. In fact after a neck surgery in 1999 he took a year off and came back in 2000 and worked nearly 2 1/2 years with it.

But in ring his neck problems flared up again and it was learned in 2003 he was working without a medical clearance. In all reality he's coming back and not at 100%. Because his body is going down. And you see why he changed his style up.

[JohnPopa]

Austin busted his ass, probably to the point of permanent disability when he was on top in WWE. After his neck injury he used the brawling mostly and by the end he was really getting thick but Austin had a slew of great matches when he was on top, anyone suggesting otherwise doesn't know what a good match is.

[Royal]

After watching another sucky edition of Raw. I'm dieing to see Oct. 3rd come around. HHH, Austin, and Foley's returns. Hell, WWE is only going to get better.

To quote Dusty Rhodes...

"Balona is Good & We Full of It Today!!"

[Gaz]

To quote Dusty Rhodes...

"Balona is Good & We Full of It Today!!"
... if you weeeel

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Whats really scary in some cosmic wierd timing is that Dusty Rhodes has joined the Smackdown Creative team this week.


" WWeeee gonna GGGett Funnnnky Likke a Monnkkeyy !! "

[JohnPopa]

Whats really scary in some cosmic wierd timing is that Dusty Rhodes has joined the Smackdown Creative team this week.


" WWeeee gonna GGGett Funnnnky Likke a Monnkkeyy !! "

I killed the Carolinas with the Dusty finish ... now I'm going to kill the entire WORLD!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I killed the Carolinas with the Dusty finish ... now I'm going to kill the entire WORLD!


If he does f-cking WARGAMES then he can at least be forgiven somewhat. I want brutality!! I want WARGAMES:THE MATCH BEYOND!

[Devon C.]

Austen and Rock and Foley. They may not be enough to return the "E" to it's former greatness. We'd need even more of the GOOD wrestlers.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Austen and Rock and Foley. They may not be enough to return the "E" to it's former greatness. We'd need even more of the GOOD wrestlers.


Sorry...those GOOD Wrestlers were fired to make way for more Johnny Ace talents like Chris Masters & Tyson Tomco ! Because damn it...we need big guys with funky tats and rodded bods !!

[GremlinClr]

Austin busted his ass, probably to the point of permanent disability when he was on top in WWE. After his neck injury he used the brawling mostly and by the end he was really getting thick but Austin had a slew of great matches when he was on top, anyone suggesting otherwise doesn't know what a good match is.

You don't have to have 2 good workers to have a good match.

[MagnetoSucks]

To quote Dusty Rhodes...

"Balona is Good & We Full of It Today!!"
Nope, just stating how Raw has been the past few months. Utter garbage. It's shit piled on top of more shit. Nothing has been good about that show since late June to now. It sucks and it will only get better by Oct. 3rd. Greatness soon comes back to WWE.

[Royal]

Nope, just stating how Raw has been the past few months. Utter garbage. It's shit piled on top of more shit. Nothing has been good about that show since late June to now. It sucks and it will only get better by Oct. 3rd. Greatness soon comes back to WWE.

That's like saying your ugly ass sister will turn cover girl beautiful if you put her in a hot ass club dress.

Instead, she's your ugly ass sister in a hot ass club dress.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i've been hearing rumors that stephanie mcmahon has been defending her husbands honor on various message boards across the internet under the username MagnetoSucks, this has yet to be confirmed :eek:

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Nope, just stating how Raw has been the past few months. Utter garbage. It's shit piled on top of more shit. Nothing has been good about that show since late June to now. It sucks and it will only get better by Oct. 3rd. Greatness soon comes back to WWE.


RAW was good all summer long really. I have no clue what you were watching. But we had some good fueds like Cena/Jericho and HBK/Hogan to make us happy. Granted , since Summerslam RAW hasn't been knockin total HR's outta the park but with Cena/Angle its been solid.


I think its been pretty good without HHH. Because they pushed guys like Jericho and Angle who deserved Main Event runs.

[JohnPopa]

You don't have to have 2 good workers to have a good match.

Call me crazy but I'll take Bret Hart or Ric Flair's assessment of Austin's ability over yours. Austin could have coasted when he was on top and he never did, piling up four star matches with 'Taker, Foley, Rock when his workrate was far below his mic skill, HHH, not to mention the Benoits, Jerichos, Harts and Angle's who can more than carry a match on their own (and they didn't carry the Austin matches at all and none would even suggest it.)

Suggesting Austin couldn't work just shows you're ignorant of what good workrate is.

[GremlinClr]

Call me crazy...

You're crazy.

Actually worker is the wrong term. I should have said wrestle. As in he doesn't. He can't. Since his neck injury all he does is brawl. That's ok for the character, just doesn't interest me as much.

[MagnetoSucks]

RAW was good all summer long really. I have no clue what you were watching. But we had some good fueds like Cena/Jericho and HBK/Hogan to make us happy. Granted , since Summerslam RAW hasn't been knockin total HR's outta the park but with Cena/Angle its been solid.


I think its been pretty good without HHH. Because they pushed guys like Jericho and Angle who deserved Main Event runs.
I have no clue what you were watching, because most of what we were watching was shit. Most boards get it. The top wrestling site on the net gets it. So, it's not just me. It's a whole lot of people who think Raw has been shit piled on top of more shit. Nothing and I mean nothing has been good about the show. You think Raw is entertaining when it consists of Cena, Carlito, Snitsky and Masters in the main event? I don't know about you, but I would call that shit. Diva Search taken up a good 10-20 minutes of the show is entertaining? Give me a break. Hogan's old ass coming back and doing the same repetitiveness he always does and than beats HBK at Summerslam isn't entertaining. It's shit.

Lboiny, don't be dumb. Their are numerous of sites defending HHH. The top site on the net defends him all the time and misses him. This is a pretty small site, so it wouldn't matter if you don't care for HHH since on a lot of other boards, they do care for HHH and the casual fans want HHH to return and bring this pile of shit back to greatness. Guys like Foley, HHH, and Austin can all do that.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I have no clue what you were watching, because most of what we were watching was shit. Most boards get it. The top wrestling site on the net gets it.

Names the sites. I have been to Insidepulse.com and 411mania and they seem pleased with what they saw. Kieth no longer covers RAW because he grew tired of doing it after 5 years.

But I'd love to see what the experts who hated RAW thought and why Ratings didn't take a drastic downturn once HHH ( Jesus himself) left.

So, it's not just me. It's a whole lot of people who think Raw has been shit piled on top of more shit. Nothing and I mean nothing has been good about the show. You think Raw is entertaining when it consists of Cena, Carlito, Snitsky and Masters in the main event? I don't know about you, but I would call that shit.

Masters was in 2 Main Events in what....4 months ? Ohhh my gooddd.....he's bringin RAW down!!

Get serious man. Carlito has been in a few Main Events. He's thier IC Champion and future growing Heel. Plus he's funny and works good enough matches for a lot of people.

Cena is thier WWE Champion. And he's the " Guy ". Thier next Bankable Star. The guy thats gonna carry RAW for now. The one gonna do movies and be thier " Star ". Just like Batista is on Smackdown.

Snitskey is a mid-carder at best and has a goofy heel act going.

Diva Search taken up a good 10-20 minutes of the show is entertaining? Give me a break. Hogan's old ass coming back and doing the same repetitiveness he always does and than beats HBK at Summerslam isn't entertaining. It's shit.

Diva Search ended weeks ago. And the Hogan/HBK Fued had some great mic battles and segments. Shawn was allowed to drift back into his old heelish self. While Hogan played his usual Immortal self at the end of Summerslam.

It was a great fued and Hogan getting the win didn't matter. Because Shawn worked his ass off and still kept his heat at the end. Shame some only see Hulk Hogan and think.." He's old....he's sh-t."

The fued was so good it sold out Summerslam and the WWE debated on letting it go til Unforgiven. I wish Hulk and Shawn would have. That fued was getting that good.


Lboiny, don't be dumb. Their are numerous of sites defending HHH. The top site on the net defends him all the time and misses him. This is a pretty small site, so it wouldn't matter if you don't care for HHH since on a lot of other boards, they do care for HHH and the casual fans want HHH to return and bring this pile of shit back to greatness. Guys like Foley, HHH, and Austin can all do that.

What is this site ? WWE.Com or something ?


Also Austin and Foley aren't top stars anymore. Thier speciality acts like Hogan. Thier good for some PPV Main Events and go home awhile. Thier not gonna restore anything to greatness. Foley was only resigned because TNA wanted him. The WWE realizing TNA would have someone as a bankable star swooped in because quite frankly...thier afraid right now.

Austin is so banged up he'll work awhile but he still has a bad neck.


And HHH is so over-exposed that many are groaning , wondering when he'll get the World Title again and hold it from everyone for 9 months and subject us to Evolution 2.0 again.

[MagnetoSucks]

^Raw has been shit without HHH. I said Masters, Carlito, Cena, and Snitsky. I didn't just say Masters fool. Well, Raw has been horrible with to much of the same boring shit going on. They don't try to make good matches and they don't try to make good segments. It's been shitty segments after shitty segments and shitty matches after shitty matches. We can hardly expect a good 15-20 minute match on Raw.

HHH is wanting by many and most casual fans. The internet fans make up a small population of wrestling fans.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

^Raw has been shit without HHH. I said Masters, Carlito, Cena, and Snitsky. I didn't just say Masters fool.

And I went thru and listed each one you named. Gave a reason for them. Not just Masters.....


Well, Raw has been horrible with to much of the same boring shit going on. They don't try to make good matches and they don't try to make good segments. It's been shitty segments after shitty segments and shitty matches after shitty matches. We can hardly expect a good 15-20 minute match on Raw.

Wierdly Shelton Benjimen and Kurt Angle had what many claimed was a great RAW Match 3 weeks ago. It was pretty solid and it didn't go 15 to 20 minutes. But it was a good enough Match.

But RAW really doesn't have many matches that do go that long anymore. Then 2 weeks ago Edge/Matyt Hardy had an intense street fight which some claimed was a solid match.


RAW has had some good matches.

HHH is wanting by many and most casual fans. The internet fans make up a small population of wrestling fans.

The Internet makes up a decent sized crowd of fans. Want proof the internet is making a growing stamp in the business....look at Matt Hardy. Without the internet he wouldn't have got his job back.

[MagnetoSucks]

And I went thru and listed each one you named. Gave a reason for them. Not just Masters.....



Wierdly Shelton Benjimen and Kurt Angle had what many claimed was a great RAW Match 3 weeks ago. It was pretty solid and it didn't go 15 to 20 minutes. But it was a good enough Match.

But RAW really doesn't have many matches that do go that long anymore. Then 2 weeks ago Edge/Matyt Hardy had an intense street fight which some claimed was a solid match.


RAW has had some good matches.



The Internet makes up a decent sized crowd of fans. Want proof the internet is making a growing stamp in the business....look at Matt Hardy. Without the internet he wouldn't have got his job back.
I know, but it's like you acted like I didn't name other wrestlers. I was naming all of the wrestlers who made up the main event scene for the weeks since late June til now.

Benjiman/Angle did put on a good match, but that's one good match and their has hardly been any other matches like that on Raw. We get shit matches like Venis/Viscera vs The Heart Throbs or Master Lock challenges which are pointless.

Yes, the internet brought Matt Hardy back, but their are a hell of a lot more casual fans than their are internet fans.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I know, but it's like you acted like I didn't name other wrestlers. I was naming all of the wrestlers who made up the main event scene for the weeks since late June til now.

I didn't mean to come across like that. I went thru them and all.

Benjiman/Angle did put on a good match, but that's one good match and their has hardly been any other matches like that on Raw. We get shit matches like Venis/Viscera vs The Heart Throbs or Master Lock challenges which are pointless.

And when HHH comes back your still gonna get these matches. Nothing will change. Just because 3 guys will come back you expect to see great awesome TV ? Nope...your still gonna get the Heart Throbs and Vsicera.

Yes, the internet brought Matt Hardy back, but their are a hell of a lot more casual fans than their are internet fans.

I think its 50/50 right now in terms of casual fans and internet fans. The casual fans still seem happy with RAW and WWE without Austin, Foley or HHH. Thier still watching and business has done pretty well considering that Foley and Austin aren't around.

[MagnetoSucks]

I didn't mean to come across like that. I went thru them and all.



And when HHH comes back your still gonna get these matches. Nothing will change. Just because 3 guys will come back you expect to see great awesome TV ? Nope...your still gonna get the Heart Throbs and Vsicera.



I think its 50/50 right now in terms of casual fans and internet fans. The casual fans still seem happy with RAW and WWE without Austin, Foley or HHH. Thier still watching and business has done pretty well considering that Foley and Austin aren't around.

I expect great TV from those three guys and the return of Trish Stratus. Plus, a return of Chris Jericho in 2006. Even Kane is suppose to return some time in October. It should get better with these guys returning. It can't get worse than it already is.

I think it's more 60/40 or 70/30. I think their is at least 20 more percent casual fans than there are internet fans.

[Taltos]

Perhaps, but his match with Orton last year was pretty damned good. I don't know that he'd be any worse for wear since that time, and his promos during that time frame were pretty damned good, too. I've got no problem with Foley being there, so long as there's a point to what he's doing.
Foley is GAWD! As far as im concerned he shouldf NEVER leave the WWE.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I expect great TV from those three guys and the return of Trish Stratus. Plus, a return of Chris Jericho in 2006. Even Kane is suppose to return some time in October. It should get better with these guys returning. It can't get worse than it already is..

Stratus is due back at anytime. Its unknown where she'll go right now. I'm thinking Smackdown because they need a female wrestler there.

Jericho doesn't have a WWE Deal currently and has swore his alliegance to the WWE & Vince McMahon. Of course TNA is in talks with him like Foley so expect the WWE to try and get him resigned like they did Foley.



I think it's more 60/40 or 70/30. I think their is at least 20 more percent casual fans than there are internet fans


Whatever that demographic is...its smaller than it was in 2000. Nowadays fans seem to read the Internet because they seemingly knew what had happened with Matt Hardy & Lita last spring.

[Pól Rua]

Foley is retired for a reason. He can no longer work the matches which made his name. He's still a funny bastard and I'm hoping to see a bit of that, plus, he's never been shy about putting someone else over.
Which is cool.
Austin hasn't had anything to do since he stopped being able to wrestle. Which is a shame, because, while I didn't care for certain stages of the Stone Cold character, I have to admit he was a good worker and fantastic on the mic.
I am a big fan of HHH as a performer. He always turns in a great match, but he's been overexposed to the point of me just not caring about him at all.

The WWE doesn't need these guys to boost their ratings. What they need is to get the guys who can wrestle like Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro, Shelton Benjamin, and hell, pretty much anyone in the cruiserweight division some decent angles and let them work matches.
We didn't come here for bodybuilding.
We didn't come here for a soap opera.
We didn't come here for T & A.
We came here for Wrestling.
Give us Wrestling.

[sgt.candy]

i cant wait to see tna on spike http://www.systemwars.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[SUPERECWFAN1]

i cant wait to see tna on spike http://www.systemwars.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif


TNA will hand Vince his ass wrestling TV wise. He won't be able to justify a Chris Masters/John Cena match when you watch A.J Styles vs Daniels tear the f-ckin house down !

[Devon C.]

TNA will hand Vince his ass wrestling TV wise. He won't be able to justify a Chris Masters/John Cena match when you watch A.J Styles vs Daniels tear the f-ckin house down !
I STILL haven't seen a Mastors match. Is he THAT bad?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I STILL haven't seen a Mastors match. Is he THAT bad?


Ask Steven Richards after his debut. Trust me...horrible worker has no definition on Masters.

[Pól Rua]

To be frank, I think Masters isn't THAT bad. He's got a good look, his facials are great and I've always had a soft spot for the sneering, narcissistic heel (Rick Rude, Rick Martel, Lex Luger... okay, I HATE Lex, but I LIKE to hate him...).
That said, he'll never be mistaken for a wrestler, but he's head and shoulders over lummoxes like Tyson Tomko, Gene Snitski, Viscera and John Heidenreich.

[Royal]

Ask Steven Richards after his debut. Trust me...horrible worker has no definition on Masters.

Let's put it this way...

On the MMA community's list of "Favors for the PW community"...he's #2 on it.

[JohnPopa]

TNA will hand Vince his ass wrestling TV wise. He won't be able to justify a Chris Masters/John Cena match when you watch A.J Styles vs Daniels tear the f-ckin house down !

The NWA had a vastly superior wrestling product to Vince the entirety of the 80's, too, though. Good wrestling doesn't necessarily sell a pro wrestling product. In fact, it's practically irrelevant in most cases. Even in the 90's when WCW had the amazing luchadore matches every week, the real ratings draws were the NWO and Hogan who never had even a presentable match on TV.

If he's getting his same numbers and TNA's getting Velocity numbers, he won't have to justify anything to anybody.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The NWA had a vastly superior wrestling product to Vince the entirety of the 80's, too, though. Good wrestling doesn't necessarily sell a pro wrestling product. In fact, it's practically irrelevant in most cases. Even in the 90's when WCW had the amazing luchadore matches every week, the real ratings draws were the NWO and Hogan who never had even a presentable match on TV.

If he's getting his same numbers and TNA's getting Velocity numbers, he won't have to justify anything to anybody.



Uhhh that was " Wrestling TV Wise." man. No way TNA draws a huge rating like what the WWE Is. Hell TNA's at least 2 years from being on the same ground as the WWE with a National Cable fanbase.

[sgt.candy]

TNA will hand Vince his ass wrestling TV wise. He won't be able to justify a Chris Masters/John Cena match when you watch A.J Styles vs Daniels tear the f-ckin house down !
i know this idiot who seriously thinks blandy orton can out wrestle aj styles and chris masters owns shawn michaels

[lboinyamouf4sho]

raw wasn't great when when hhh was still there, i don't see how he is gonna bring it "BACK" to greatness. and with stonecold coming back, i'm guessing it will be like his usual comebacks where he just gives people stunners and anybody who dares stand up to him gets the next one. i'm more xcited about jamie noble returning than hhh.

can't wait to see liger in a tna ring.

[The Shadow]

i know this idiot who seriously thinks... (edited by me) chris masters owns shawn michaels
That's the stupidest thing I've heard... ever.

[MagnetoSucks]

raw wasn't great when when hhh was still there, i don't see how he is gonna bring it "BACK" to greatness. and with stonecold coming back, i'm guessing it will be like his usual comebacks where he just gives people stunners and anybody who dares stand up to him gets the next one. i'm more xcited about jamie noble returning than hhh.

can't wait to see liger in a tna ring.
Jamie Noble was a boring to watch.

Raw was great from RR to Vengeance. Than after Raw's PPV in June it went down hill with Cena as champion with countless of shitty matches and shitty segments. HHH, Foley, and Austin can bring it back to greatness. At least it will be a million times more entertaining than the shit were watching.

[The Shadow]

As long as Hogan is there I'm watching!

He gets great pops and I'm always entertained. The Hogan-Michaels fued was great entertainment. I loved it. Shawn's promo's, especially the Larry King skit, were great and Hogan was his usual charismatic self.

[Gaz]

Jamie Noble was a boring to watch.

Raw was great from RR to Vengeance. Than after Raw's PPV in June it went down hill with Cena as champion with countless of shitty matches and shitty segments. HHH, Foley, and Austin can bring it back to greatness. At least it will be a million times more entertaining than the shit were watching.
Cena's had at least 3 good matches with Jericho, Noble is at least as hard a worker as HHH (better imo, but still), is a cruiser with charisma, and what are Michaels, Angle, Dinsmore, Flair,Benjamin and Carlito, chopped liver?

[Pól Rua]

So return to greatness = return of two over-the-hill workers whose best workrate is behind them and whom injury has rendered unable to actually wrestle anymore and a scene-chewing camera hog?
hrm.
Maybe we could have a ladder match with Hogan and HHH fighting over custody of the camera.

[Devon C.]

Cena's had at least 3 good matches with Jericho, Noble is at least as hard a worker as HHH (better imo, but still), is a cruiser with charisma, and what are Michaels, Angle, Dinsmore, Flair,Benjamin and Carlito, chopped liver?
To the "E", at least ONE of those guys is chopped liver. Take a guess.

[MagnetoSucks]

Cena's had at least 3 good matches with Jericho, Noble is at least as hard a worker as HHH (better imo, but still), is a cruiser with charisma, and what are Michaels, Angle, Dinsmore, Flair,Benjamin and Carlito, chopped liver?
Well, no shit Cena has had some good matches. It was with Chris Jericho. A guy who can carry a shitty wrestler like Cena to an average to good match. Cena needed to be carried and our WWE champion shouldn't be carried. He should be the one doing the carrying or at least both holding their own in the ring.

I wouldn't say Noble's as hard as worker as HHH is. I still find Noble boring, but at least he can wrestle unlike the shit wrestlers named Cena, Snitsky, Masters, and Carlito who consisted up of most of the main events since late June.

I'm not leaving those wrestlers out, but they haven't even made Raw even entertaining. Besides Flair and Michaels who never fail to be entertaining. It is just the fact of shitty matches and shitty segments that has kept Raw down. They have the talent yet they don't have any good matches or segments. It's basically shit besides seeing Flair and Michaels.

[Gaz]

Well, no shit Cena has had some good matches. It was with Chris Jericho. A guy who can carry a shitty wrestler like Cena to an average to good match. Cena needed to be carried and our WWE champion shouldn't be carried. He should be the one doing the carrying or at least both holding their own in the ring.

I wouldn't say Noble's as hard as worker as HHH is. I still find Noble boring, but at least he can wrestle unlike the shit wrestlers named Cena, Snitsky, Masters, and Carlito who consisted up of most of the main events since late June.

I'm not leaving those wrestlers out, but they haven't even made Raw even entertaining. Besides Flair and Michaels who never fail to be entertaining. It is just the fact of shitty matches and shitty segments that has kept Raw down. They have the talent yet they don't have any good matches or segments. It's basically shit besides seeing Flair and Michaels.

And Hunter saying NOTHING for 20 minutes every week, then squahing someone will help how?

[Devon C.]

Well, no shit Cena has had some good matches. It was with Chris Jericho. A guy who can carry a shitty wrestler like Cena to an average to good match. Cena needed to be carried and our WWE champion shouldn't be carried. He should be the one doing the carrying or at least both holding their own in the ring.

I wouldn't say Noble's as hard as worker as HHH is. I still find Noble boring, but at least he can wrestle unlike the shit wrestlers named Cena, Snitsky, Masters, and Carlito who consisted up of most of the main events since late June.

I'm not leaving those wrestlers out, but they haven't even made Raw even entertaining. Besides Flair and Michaels who never fail to be entertaining. It is just the fact of shitty matches and shitty segments that has kept Raw down. They have the talent yet they don't have any good matches or segments. It's basically shit besides seeing Flair and Michaels.
I agree with you on Noble. He just can't pace a match, IMO.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Um..what is SO entertaining about Shawn Michaels right now? What has he done since turning back face that has been worthwhile? He's turning right back into the lame face character he was before. Maybe he'll come out AGAIN after this year's Taboo Tuesday and thank the fans over and over again like last time. Forget the old man. Get RVD back, let him do his new promo thing he seems to be excited about, make Carlito DEFEND the belt for once, push Shelton again, and make Angle the Champ. Raw needs to wake up because it's getting passed by Smackdown AGAIN.

[Knightmare10880]

Stratus is due back at anytime. Its unknown where she'll go right now. I'm thinking Smackdown because they need a female wrestler there.

Jericho doesn't have a WWE Deal currently and has swore his alliegance to the WWE & Vince McMahon. Of course TNA is in talks with him like Foley so expect the WWE to try and get him resigned like they did Foley.





Whatever that demographic is...its smaller than it was in 2000. Nowadays fans seem to read the Internet because they seemingly knew what had happened with Matt Hardy & Lita last spring.

I hope Trish doesn't go to Smackdown Raw needs another Face diva, plus with her around maybe we cold get some matches between her and Victoria.

[master of read]

tna will own all!!!! once my friends see a ultimate x match or other such matchs with the likes of aj styles, monty brown, or abyss, they will learn.

[Royal]

Guys, I really want to put the "hand of Bas" on this guy. Can I? Can I?

*holds back the MMA hounds*

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I agree with you on Noble. He just can't pace a match, IMO.



noble has looked great since leaving the wwe, they want him back for a reason. he brings a different style to the CW division that is a nice contrast to the highflying style, i'm afraid in the wwe though that contrast will not exist because the cruisers aren't allowed to fly.

[marshal99]

Stratus is due back at anytime. Its unknown where she'll go right now. I'm thinking Smackdown because they need a female wrestler there.

Smackdown needs a female wrestler ? When ?! All the WWE divas are basically eye candies , Lita is used as what now ? Victoria is probably the only active actual female wrestler around. They are better off not having any female wrestling , just T & A and those pillow fights or bra and panties matches.

Jericho doesn't have a WWE Deal currently and has swore his alliegance to the WWE & Vince McMahon. Of course TNA is in talks with him like Foley so expect the WWE to try and get him resigned like they did Foley.
I think it was reported in the past that Jericho has already signed a WWE contract , just that his current situation (i.e his website with the TNA background yada yada yada) is simply a work coming off from his "firing" by Eric Bischoff. Wouldn't be surprised one bit if he turns up on smackdown after his few months of time off.

TNA will hand Vince his ass wrestling TV wise. He won't be able to justify a Chris Masters/John Cena match when you watch A.J Styles vs Daniels tear the f-ckin house down !

Right , i'm sure AJ Styles and Daniels can clone themselves and fill the TNA timeslot with only their matches. I would rather watch Masters or Cena than the likes of BJ James , Kip James , Konan , hopping gimmick Zach Gowan or X-crap Sean Waltman (God , i hope the rumor of him going back to the WWE aren't true). While competition for WWE is good for viewers , TNA is still the minor league compare to the WWE.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Right , i'm sure AJ Styles and Daniels can clone themselves and fill the TNA timeslot with only their matches. I would rather watch Masters or Cena than the likes of BJ James , Kip James , Konan , hopping gimmick Zach Gowan or X-crap Sean Waltman (God , i hope the rumor of him going back to the WWE aren't true). While competition for WWE is good for viewers , TNA is still the minor league compare to the WWE.

well, it's an hour long show and to help fill it out they also have joe, alex shelly, chris sabin, shocker, sonjay dutt and looks like they're signing austin aries and bringing in atleast for a ppv or 2 jushin thunder lyger and roderick strong. while tna may still be the minor leagues they've been consistantly putting on better shows than wwe for about the last 3 months imo

[MagnetoSucks]

And Hunter saying NOTHING for 20 minutes every week, then squahing someone will help how?
It's not exactly 20 minutes. Sometimes, yes. But, most of the times it's around 8-15 minutes. Does it matter? HHH is one of the best promo cutters.

Squash? Do you even watch the shithole called Raw? HHH has putting over Benoit, Batista, and even fucking JR in 2005. He's putting over Benoit, Eugene, Orton, and Shelton Benjamin in 2004. He's probably put over more than that, but those are the important ones. HHH doesn't need to be losing in every single match like Chris fucking Jericho. That doesn't help his career or legacy. He's made a legendary career and it shouldn't be ruin for jobbing to wrestlers who aren't even going to be around in a couple of months or to wrestlers that aren't even going to go anywhere. He's still got a good 5 years before he should be like Austin, Rock, and Mick Foley who always put talent over when they come back. Undertaker and Hulk Hogan should be more like Austin, Rock, and Foley, but their not. They hardly put over any talent. Their getting old and it's time for them to job and put over more people. At least HHH puts over a lot of talent and when it's needed. Not a pointless loss that won't matter in a month.

Why is Shawn Michaels entertaining? He's the most entertaining wrestler on Smackdown and Raw right now. Why wouldn't he be entertaining? He wouldn't.

[sgt.candy]

That's the stupidest thing I've heard... ever.
he was serious. and called me a mark for not liking chris masters

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It's not exactly 20 minutes. Sometimes, yes. But, most of the times it's around 8-15 minutes. Does it matter? HHH is one of the best promo cutters.

Thats debateable. HHH Is a solid mic worker but he's not the best. Sometimes he tends to rabble and overdo what he should be saying. His promo's have even gotten to the point of being boring to some.

He's a good mic guy. But he's far from the best.


Squash? Do you even watch the shithole called Raw? HHH has putting over Benoit, Batista, and even fucking JR in 2005. He's putting over Benoit, Eugene, Orton, and Shelton Benjamin in 2004. He's probably put over more than that, but those are the important ones. HHH doesn't need to be losing in every single match like Chris fucking Jericho. That doesn't help his career or legacy. He's made a legendary career and it shouldn't be ruin for jobbing to wrestlers who aren't even going to be around in a couple of months or to wrestlers that aren't even going to go anywhere. He's still got a good 5 years before he should be like Austin, Rock, and Mick Foley who always put talent over when they come back. Undertaker and Hulk Hogan should be more like Austin, Rock, and Foley, but their not. They hardly put over any talent. Their getting old and it's time for them to job and put over more people. At least HHH puts over a lot of talent and when it's needed. Not a pointless loss that won't matter in a month.

I think his career peak has passed him by. He's starting to wind down at 33 or 34 . He has maybe 3 to 4 good years left in him to work this shedule. But they should be using him to help get the mid-card over like Shelton Benjimen , Edge and Rob Van Dam.

What irks many is HHH's attitude in 2002-2003 that he felt he shouldn't job and that with him being Champion the company would draw huge money. Instead the company went into a funk and those 2 years slowly sank the company.

He learned his lesson I suppose and realized that burying every talent that comes on RAW wouldn't work. And not everyone at home or attending cards want to see HHH reign supreme each week.

Most weren't asking him to job. Most wanted him to just fade back some and put over Jericho and Rob Van Dam to help the company. But him and Taker showed they were too selfish at that point and with them as Champions the company spirled down those 2 years.

Why is Shawn Michaels entertaining? He's the most entertaining wrestler on Smackdown and Raw right now. Why wouldn't he be entertaining? He wouldn't.

Shawn's enertaining as a heel. He breathed new life into himself as a heel. Once he did his face act , which is stale as hell things started falling fast. He needs outta that fued with Masters and Rob Van Dam wants him when he returns. If Shawn's gonna do a job for someone...put over a guy who's pretty much helped make the company money with his ideas backstage while hurt.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Again...what is entertaining about Shawn Michaels? He's not carrying Raw. He's not wrestling every week and he's still doing his same face deal now that Hogan's gone. When is this guy gonna put over Shelton Benjamin? When is he gonna lose CLEAN to RVD? When he is gonna help unover talent get over? Why is SO HARD for this guy to follow in the footsteps of Rock and Foley? Too guys younger and brighter than him, I get that, but he still hasn't learned when to step back and do the right thing for business. It's pathetic. :mad:

[MagnetoSucks]

What do you mean Shawn's not carrying Raw? Ever since HHH has left the show that is all he has been doing.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Yeah right. Michaels was half shooting on Hogan in HHH's absence and it was Chris Jericho that was carrying Raw week in and week out. Making Cena's weak promo work of "Y2Cheap" come off as legit and carry the promo load on that half. Jericho gathering all the heels on the show following in his stead. But since then, it's been Angle getting the job done YET again and making the show watchable. HHH is not needed. Let him to continue to syay in Stepanie's bed in parts unknown and play his stupid role of errand boy. Angle vs Cena is better than anything HHH could possibly do upon his return.

[MagnetoSucks]

Yeah right. Michaels was half shooting on Hogan in HHH's absence and it was Chris Jericho that was carrying Raw week in and week out. Making Cena's weak promo work of "Y2Cheap" come off as legit and carry the promo load on that half. Jericho gathering all the heels on the show following in his stead. But since then, it's been Angle getting the job done YET again and making the show watchable. HHH is not needed. Let him to continue to syay in Stepanie's bed in parts unknown and play his stupid role of errand boy. Angle vs Cena is better than anything HHH could possibly do upon his return.
Keep showing your blindness. I'm loving it.

Shawn fucking Michaels was carrying Raw in HHH's absense. HHH is needed or that shithole called Raw would not be so sucky. I think you want Stephanie so bad, because you get a hard on for hating HHH.

We need to thank Shawn Michaels for making Raw acceptable to watch.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Thank Michaels for cowardly promos and trying to turn the crowds against Hogan? Your living in your Michaels fantasy world, I see. Michaels can't carry anything. Never had the ability to carry a show.

Want Stephanie? My friend, she's fat, out of shape, and worthless. Not to mention I have a extreme dislike for those born out of nepotism. Stephanie is nothing and her husband is garbage.

[MagnetoSucks]

Thank Michaels for cowardly promos and trying to turn the crowds against Hogan? Your living in your Michaels fantasy world, I see. Michaels can't carry anything. Never had the ability to carry a show.

Want Stephanie? My friend, she's fat, out of shape, and worthless. Not to mention I have a extreme dislike for those born out of nepotism. Stephanie is nothing and her husband is garbage.
Garbage? I take it you enjoy Masters and Snitsky. HHH isn't garbage. That word isn't a word to describe him and it proves that you speak bullshit most of the time on this board.

Stephanie is the only logical thing I could think of for your deep hatred for HHH.
Yes, I said Thank Michaels. Thank him for carrying that garbage shithole Raw to acceptance.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I have already debated this. Shawn won't job a million times like Ric Flair. His jobs will mean something when he does lose. In fact I think he'll drift back to heel once Rob shows up October 3rd.

Right now the roster has way more heels than over faces and they need Shawn to play a face. Even though that act is stale as hell.

Plus he was carrying RAW for that period. Anyone can see that he was thier 1# heel and working his ass off to sell his heel turn and make the match with Hogan look legit.

The angle was so successful they wanted to carry it over til Unforgiven . But blame Hogan because he wouldn't take a DQ loss to Micheals or let him go over to carry the fued forward.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Garbage? I take it you enjoy Masters and Snitsky. HHH isn't garbage.



masters, snitsky, hhh, they're all the same except one married vinces daughter.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I have already debated this. Shawn won't job a million times like Ric Flair. His jobs will mean something when he does lose. In fact I think he'll drift back to heel once Rob shows up October 3rd.




that would be a hell of alot of face to heel changes in a very short time frame, it's getting hard to keep up with hbk

[MagnetoSucks]

masters, snitsky, hhh, they're all the same except one married vinces daughter.
Than you are a dumbass if you believe that.

Masters and Snitsky have done nothing for WWE. Their shit wrestlers whereas HHH has made a legendary career after being in WWE for 10+ years. If you think their the same than you must be a blind hater.

[YoungG03]

Dang HHH has breathe new life into a lot of players.........I cant really hate on HHH cause I rmember that horrible match where he had to carry Stenier slow ass.

I got nuthung against Cena other than I dont like his "homeboy" gimick and the fact I dont think his character is so tuff. But maybe HHH would put him thru some grusome matches along wit Angle. (Did HHH help Edge career?) Speakin of Edge the only reason I wouldnt want to see HHH is because I want Edge to get a MAJOR push....He deserves it...I cant count one failure on his part.

[The Shadow]

What do you mean Shawn's not carrying Raw? Ever since HHH has left the show that is all he has been doing.
Shawn is THE MAN on Raw.... for the second time he's been asked to carry the show as the MAIN EVENT.

[The Shadow]

Michaels can't carry anything. Never had the ability to carry a show.
I TOTALLY disagree.

I was never a Michaels fan... but he bridged the gap between Hogan's run and the attitude era... and then he amped UP the attitude era. It's because of him that HHH is anywhere. Now he's holding the show on his shoulders again as he worled great with Hogan and now Masters. Shawn IS Raw... and I would LOVE to see him and RVD or him and Angle fued for a year... or 2!

[Gaz]

Besides, Konnan, BG and Kip are used sparingly and do their thing well enough. They're the lettuce on the juicy big wrestling burger that is TNA.
Waltman's been back to his old form in the last few months also, so he don't count in that group.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I TOTALLY disagree.

I was never a Michaels fan... but he bridged the gap between Hogan's run and the attitude era... and then he amped UP the attitude era. It's because of him that HHH is anywhere. Now he's holding the show on his shoulders again as he worled great with Hogan and now Masters. Shawn IS Raw... and I would LOVE to see him and RVD or him and Angle fued for a year... or 2!


Rob wants him when he gets back. I think Rob's gonna drift back into his old ECW self as he's talked about doing. And just cut hard promos on guys.

Come on WWE....Rob Van Dam/HBK in a Ladder Match to see who is the new Show. :D

[The Shadow]

Rob wants him when he gets back. I think Rob's gonna drift back into his old ECW self as he's talked about doing. And just cut hard promos on guys.
Didn't Vince tone down RVD? What was injured on him? It was his knee wasn't it? He might slow it down some to not reinjure it.

Come on WWE....Rob Van Dam/HBK in a Ladder Match to see who is the new Show. :D
That would be awesome!

But I'd give to to the HEART BREAK KID! THE SHOWSTOPPA! THE MAIN EVENT! THE ICON! :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Didn't Vince tone down RVD? What was injured on him? It was his knee wasn't it? He might slow it down some to not reinjure it.


Actually Rob thinks his knee was bothering him ever since he entered the WWE. Its just that he never took time off for it and he felt it was getting worse. He's already swore his style won't change and he plans to go like he usually did.

RVD's only had 2 bad leg injuries in his complete career and 1 happened in a baseball slide to outside the ring. The most harmless move ever. ( Hurt his ankle.)

And this one.

That would be awesome!

But I'd give to to the HEART BREAK KID! THE SHOWSTOPPA! THE MAIN EVENT! THE ICON! :D


That will be seen. Love to see Shawn do the honors for Rob. He should. That could actually help them get someone else ready after Cena and Edge get thier Title runs on RAW.

[hangmanjury]

Yeah yeah, night of champions, sure.

We've seen these guys come back over the past year a lot... Where, oh please, where... is the Rock?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Garbage? I take it you enjoy Masters and Snitsky. HHH isn't garbage. That word isn't a word to describe him and it proves that you speak bullshit most of the time on this board.

Stephanie is the only logical thing I could think of for your deep hatred for HHH.
Yes, I said Thank Michaels. Thank him for carrying that garbage shithole Raw to acceptance.

What BS? Shawn Michaels carried Raw? How? By not wrestling and shooting on Hogan? That's IMPRESSIVE? I'm dealing with amaetur mark fans and it's laughable to hear your defenses for that guy.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i think angle is carrying raw at the moment.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yeah yeah, night of champions, sure.

We've seen these guys come back over the past year a lot... Where, oh please, where... is the Rock?


Off in Hollywood. No timetable for his return really. The WWE doesn't even know if he'll even come back at this point.

[MagnetoSucks]

What BS? Shawn Michaels carried Raw? How? By not wrestling and shooting on Hogan? That's IMPRESSIVE? I'm dealing with amaetur mark fans and it's laughable to hear your defenses for that guy.
It's laughable to hear your blind hate for the guy. Stop bullshitting around and admit Shawn Michaels has carried that shithole Raw in HHH's absense.

Who carried Raw? Cena? Please. Masters? Yeah right. Carlito? No way. Edge and Hardy feud? Hell no. Hogan's old ass? Give me a break. Snitsky? No chance in hell. Face it. No one besides HBK has carried Raw in the absense of HHH.

Amaetur? You haven't given me one reason why you are not an amaetur mark, so I really wouldn't be talking if I were you.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

It's laughable to hear your blind hate for the guy. Stop bullshitting around and admit Shawn Michaels has carried that shithole Raw in HHH's absense.

Who carried Raw? Cena? Please. Masters? Yeah right. Carlito? No way. Edge and Hardy feud? Hell no. Hogan's old ass? Give me a break. Snitsky? No chance in hell. Face it. No one besides HBK has carried Raw in the absense of HHH.

Amaetur? You haven't given me one reason why you are not an amaetur mark, so I really wouldn't be talking if I were you.

I will say no such thing because, quite frankly, Michaels has carried nothing. Not in any way or form. Jericho and Angle have carried both of their fueds since getting title shots.

Why you brought up nobody names like Carlito, Edge, and Snitsky is beyond common sense and shows you're lack of comprehension to the order of WWE programming?

[MagnetoSucks]

I will say no such thing because, quite frankly, Michaels has carried nothing. Not in any way or form. Jericho and Angle have carried both of their fueds since getting title shots.

Why you brought up nobody names like Carlito, Edge, and Snitsky is beyond common sense and shows you're lack of comprehension to the order of WWE programming?
Michaels has carried everything. Once you say it than were getting somewhere with you. You're just stubborn and since you have a hate for Michaels, you can't even say he's carried Raw and that is true.

Angle's feud with Cena has been shit. Angle is trying to carry Cena in their feud, but to no avail. Jericho/Cena's feud was almost shit yet Jericho did an alright job.

I fail to see how I lack anything. I see how you having trouble comprehending a lot of things and you don't seem that smart. Angle and Jericho still haven't carried Raw. It was all Shawn Michaels, Snitsky fan.

[JohnPopa]

I must say watching Erik Lensherr and Magneto Sucks attempt to debate one another is the most morbidly fascinating spectacle I've seen in some time. It's like watching two blind boxers try and knock one another out, without even realizing they never even made it to the ring.

[The Shadow]

I must say watching Erik Lensherr and Magneto Sucks attempt to debate one another is the most morbidly fascinating spectacle I've seen in some time. It's like watching two blind boxers try and knock one another out, without even realizing they never even made it to the ring.
LMAO

:D :D :D

[Gaz]

I must say watching Erik Lensherr and Magneto Sucks attempt to debate one another is the most morbidly fascinating spectacle I've seen in some time. It's like watching two blind boxers try and knock one another out, without even realizing they never even made it to the ring.
Or that they're in different arenas in different cities, in different states. :p

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I must say watching Erik Lensherr and Magneto Sucks attempt to debate one another is the most morbidly fascinating spectacle I've seen in some time. It's like watching two blind boxers try and knock one another out, without even realizing they never even made it to the ring.


I've never had more fun than in these wrestling threads to see a HHH/HBK fan debatin someone who isn't a fan. Then yellin: " Wait RAW Sucks." " No It doesn't , HHH sucks."

[MagnetoSucks]

I'm so happy you guys are enjoying me debating the kid Erik.

Whether he thinks it or not. It's true that HBK has carried Raw in HHH's absense.

[StrawNilla]

I've never had more fun than in these wrestling threads to see a HHH/HBK fan debatin someone who isn't a fan. Then yellin: " Wait RAW Sucks." " No It doesn't , HHH sucks."
Hey Super E, turns out I was a victim of the "cutback on number of posts" ordeal you've had to deal with.

A few days ago I was well on my way to 2,000 posts...now, well, see for yourself. :(

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hey Super E, turns out I was a victim of the "cutback on number of posts" ordeal you've had to deal with.

A few days ago I was well on my way to 2,000 posts...now, well, see for yourself. :(


It happens. Deathstroke lost the most I'd imagine. It doesn't bother me. I offered up the RAW threads to be deleted 2 to 3 weeks after were done.

[Devon C.]

I must say watching Erik Lensherr and Magneto Sucks attempt to debate one another is the most morbidly fascinating spectacle I've seen in some time. It's like watching two blind boxers try and knock one another out, without even realizing they never even made it to the ring.
Even their screennames are at odds with each other.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Even their screennames are at odds with each other.

It's not that complicated though. He tracked me down from the biggest wrestling site on the Net and has kept a grudge against me. Well, a grudge against my dislike for HHH and Shawn Michaels. How many times over the years do I have to put their fans in place? The process never ends.

[MagnetoSucks]

It's not that complicated though. He tracked me down from the biggest wrestling site on the Net and has kept a grudge against me. Well, a grudge against my dislike for HHH and Shawn Michaels. How many times over the years do I have to put their fans in place? The process never ends.
What the hell you talking about, kid? I don't even know who you are. I tracked you down? Please.

You have to put their fans in place? The way you sound is a way a retarded kid sounds when he's sitting at his lunch table eating some cookies and making weird noises.

You have to face it. HBK carried Raw in HHH's absense. Their is no other way around this. I enjoy wrestling and comics, so I went to this site and made a character that I hated and put sucks at the end of it. Than I saw a retard post, "HHH is garbage" that retard being you and I called you out on that.

Since you think Rock is god. Do you actually believe he can out wrestle HBK and HHH? In your dreams, kid.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

What the hell you talking about, kid? I don't even know who you are. I tracked you down? Please.

You have to put their fans in place? The way you sound is a way a retarded kid sounds when he's sitting at his lunch table eating some cookies and making weird noises.

You have to face it. HBK carried Raw in HHH's absense. Their is no other way around this. I enjoy wrestling and comics, so I went to this site and made a character that I hated and put sucks at the end of it. Than I saw a retard post, "HHH is garbage" that retard being you and I called you out on that.

Since you think Rock is god. Do you actually believe he can out wrestle HBK and HHH? In your dreams, kid.


Yes. A place called PW where I turned the place upside down from HHH marks into appreciating Eddie, Benoit, Rock, Austin, and other underappreciated talents. It came from so called "debates" from slow, dimiwtted marks like yourself. Your defense of HBK is pathetic. Your rants of HHH getting great pops and being some popular Rock/Foley/Austin type of star when he returns is nothing short of laughable. It doesn't matter if you or anyone agrees with me but you can't prove me wrong. It can't be done when you don't have the comprehension skills necessary enough to keep up after one paragraph into it.

The Rock is 50x more wanted in the business right now than Shawn Micahels and HH combined. He IS God. He broke ratings records, had record breaking buyrates, and got the biggest crowd heat weekly during his run than anyone at that or this time. A non draw like Shawn Michaels can't compare. A overpushed heel like HHH who nobody can even tolerate for a two year run can't compare. That's why you hear Jericho, Angle, Austin, Hogan, and Bret always putting the Rock over in interviews and never the ladder. It's part of being a icon and getting the job done in ways no other wrestler in history has done. Except the other big two. When the Rock returns again, fans will bow before him like he's wrestling royalty AGAIN. When HHH returns, fans will cringe and put middle fingers in the air one...more..time.

[MagnetoSucks]

Yes. A place called PW where I turned the place upside down from HHH marks into appreciating Eddie, Benoit, Rock, Austin, and other underappreciated talents. It came from so called "debates" from slow, dimiwtted marks like yourself. Your defense of HBK is pathetic. Your rants of HHH getting great pops and being some popular Rock/Foley/Austin type of star when he returns is nothing short of laughable. It doesn't matter if you or anyone agrees with me but you can't prove me wrong. It can't be done when you don't have the comprehension skills necessary enough to keep up after one paragraph into it.

The Rock is 50x more wanted in the business right now than Shawn Micahels and HH combined. He IS God. He broke ratings records, had record breaking buyrates, and got the biggest crowd heat weekly during his run than anyone at that or this time. A non draw like Shawn Michaels can't compare. A overpushed heel like HHH who nobody can even tolerate for a two year run can't compare. That's why you hear Jericho, Angle, Austin, Hogan, and Bret always putting the Rock over in interviews and never the ladder. It's part of being a icon and getting the job done in ways no other wrestler in history has done. Except the other big two. When the Rock returns again, fans will bow before him like he's wrestling royalty AGAIN. When HHH returns, fans will cringe and put middle fingers in the air one...more..time.
I visited that site a couple of days ago and everyone is in love with HHH over at PW, so it looks like you haven't changed a damn thing. As for Rocky being better than HHH and HBK combined? That's a laugh and shows your lack of wrestling knowledge.

You are having trouble comprehending a lot of things. How about you stop making yourself look like a joke, because you can't even make a proper paragraph that doesn't make you look like a retard. Try making sense in your posts. It will help.

You state the same garbage in your posts. Get some new material, Erik the kid.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Times like these I miss the old ECW Haters. Those old loyal NWA/WCW fans who gave ECW pure hell for what they did. Seeing Magnetosucks and Erik debating brings back those old memories of me on wrestleline.com always proclaiming ECW as the greatest.


Brings a tear to my eyes.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I visited that site a couple of days ago and everyone is in love with HHH over at PW, so it looks like you haven't changed a damn thing. As for Rocky being better than HHH and HBK combined? That's a laugh and shows your lack of wrestling knowledge.

You are having trouble comprehending a lot of things. How about you stop making yourself look like a joke, because you can't even make a proper paragraph that doesn't make you look like a retard. Try making sense in your posts. It will help.

You state the same garbage in your posts. Get some new material, Erik the kid.

HAHA! There is nobody in love with HHH at PW except those who get embarassed everytime a Raw thread comes up. Why am I trying? You can't defend them with logic. Only markism and bad comebacks. It's 2001 all over again. :evilsmile

[MagnetoSucks]

HAHA! There is nobody in love with HHH at PW except those who get embarassed everytime a Raw thread comes up. Why am I trying? You can't defend them with logic. Only markism and bad comebacks. It's 2001 all over again. :evilsmile
Are you a retard? Go visit the site. Most of the posters want HHH back. The top posters on that site wants HHH back. They came to realization that Raw has sucked and were wrong all along on how Raw would be better without HHH. The HHH haters now want HHH back.

Stop with your blind ignorant hate and get back into reality, son.

[hangmanjury]

Cool it, guys. Just agree to disagree. It's not worth it.

[Royal]

Cool it, guys. Just agree to disagree. It's not worth it.

I agree. He's lost the fight anyway.

Oct 3 will return to greatness....thanks to Even Tanner & David Loiseau. I will garentee you a fight you wil Never Believe. An interpromotional match..between UFC & canada's TKO.

[MagnetoSucks]

No, I won the fight and yes Raw will return to greatness on Oct. 3rd with returns of Austin, Foley, and HHH.

[Gaz]

I agree. He's lost the fight anyway.

Oct 3 will return to greatness....thanks to Even Tanner & David Loiseau. I will garentee you a fight you wil Never Believe. An interpromotional match..between UFC & canada's TKO.
Is Impact on afterwards too? :D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Is Impact on afterwards too? :D


Yes...Spike is obviously building a TNA vs WWE War up and October 6th ...you'll see an early rd by them. :)

[Royal]

Ok. A joint effort. How about that?

[Devon C.]

Yes...Spike is obviously building a TNA vs WWE War up and October 6th ...you'll see an early rd by them. :)
I don't like this one bit. I'm REALLY certain that Vince has something planned in response to this, and we won't like it.

[Gaz]

Yes...Spike is obviously building a TNA vs WWE War up and October 6th ...you'll see an early rd by them. :)
Isn't the plan to alternate 2 hour specials? One month is UFC and next is Impact?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Isn't the plan to alternate 2 hour specials? One month is UFC and next is Impact?


Thats in debate right now. But thier gonna have the " Xtreme Challenge" and have an episode geared towards a TNA vs WWE War. Its wierd to see Spike pushing them towards that at this stage....5 days after TNA debuts on thier Network.