Why would anyone assume the sentry will be depowered??

[marvelboy]

the whole point of the charactor according to Paul Jenkins is to make someone who literally is pre-crisis superman x 5 that has big time issues. If the latest issue didn't show that he is gonna be an upper level type with the way his own mental creation of the void was slaughtering all the marvel hero's then nothing will convince either of you all

[XPac]

There's a big difference between being an upper level hero, and being pre-crisis Superman level. Pre-crisis Superman could destroy a galaxy with a sneeze... no joke. The reason Superman was depowered in the first place was because it simply wasn't practical to have a hero THAT powerful. Really, if he's THAT powerful what the heck does he need the rest of the Avengers for?

[da noble savage]

well are they ever going to clearlly define his powers. I mean so far i'm kinda in the dark as to what he can do. besides da basics anyway.

[marvelboy]

There's a big difference between being an upper level hero, and being pre-crisis Superman level. Pre-crisis Superman could destroy a galaxy with a sneeze... no joke. The reason Superman was depowered in the first place was because it simply wasn't practical to have a hero THAT powerful. Really, if he's THAT powerful what the heck does he need the rest of the Avengers for?


SIlver Surfer is massively powerful as well as is pretty much a god with what he can do. So how is that any different??

[Gaz]

SIlver Surfer is massively powerful as well as is pretty much a god with what he can do. So how is that any different??
Surfer rarely works in a team, and when he does, it's the Defenders, many of whom are in his league

[Chris Thomas]

technically, though, the sentry is as powerful as galactus. so, he would be more powerful than the silver surfer by quite a bit... hence, the need to lower his powerlevel.

[Nightcrawler]

Because he is a god.

[Elevation]

I dotn wnat to see the Sentry as a main part of the team. I like the role that they have him in right now.... as a danger to himself and everyone around him.

I want him to make appearances every here and there but then I waqnt everything to go to hell because of him.

[Chaos_Sentry]

The Sentry roxorz my boxers. Great character. I think and they probably will define his powers, give him limitations. Just my two-cents.





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[marvelboy]

The Sentry roxorz my boxers. Great character. I think and they probably will define his powers, give him limitations. Just my two-cents.





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that is an awesome sig who made it?

[Chaos_Sentry]

One of my great friends. He's awesome with GFX.




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[XPac]

SIlver Surfer is massively powerful as well as is pretty much a god with what he can do. So how is that any different??

That's why it's often not a good idea to have Surfer on teams. He's fine in outspace fighting Thanos or Elders of the Universe. Surfer has no place on earth battling the likes of Sauron or Electro.

The truth is Surfer is often written dumbed down when he's on earth. Really, even post-crisis Superman is often written dumbed down. Most of his fights could be ended in a fraction of a second if he wanted them too because of his super speed.

I'd rather have Sentry powered down rather than written as superpowerful but too stupid to use his powers intelligently. It's freaking having Galactus on the Avengers... that's just too powerful. Surfer most of the time is too powerful, but having a Galactus level super hero is way to much.

[marvelboy]

It works for DC having superpowerful charactors. Why can't it work for Marvel??

[marvelboy]

One of my great friends. He's awesome with GFX.




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ask him if he has anymore he made of the sentry

[Titan Slade]

It works for DC having superpowerful charactors. Why can't it work for Marvel??

Because, the Marvel fanboys will not allow it ;) .

[Psyco panda]

It works for DC having superpowerful charactors. Why can't it work for Marvel??

Because then they'd have to hyper power EVERYONE else. I just makes sense to depower sentry. Other wise there's just no tension. Either the threat is so mild Sentry takes care of it in five minutes, or else everyone stands around watching while he fights because they're to weak to do anything.

[Chris Thomas]

exactly--one major theme of the sentry tbp. that is why there was a void--you needed a villian on par with the sentry. if taken allegorically (can comics be taken that way?) then the sentry and void were on a different level than everyone else (except those cosmic beings not usually involved in day-to-day earth life--and even they were an even match for those two.)

each comic in the mini that involved another group demonstrated that the other heros quickly became sidekicks--and weak ones at that--alongside the sentry.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I just wonder how much his power-level will be lowered.
I can see his strength in the Thor class.
Then he will probably have some manipulation of light, but I don´t know to what extent.
How fast he will be I don´t know.

[Thrice]

He will proably have his power level lower a bit. THe best example i can think of comes from the tv show angel. In the last season a god name illyria join the team. Now you have a freakin god on a team of vampires and humans. Well same proable. So the writers found a way to power down illyria but she was still really powerful.

[XPac]

It works for DC having superpowerful charactors. Why can't it work for Marvel??

It works in DC because DC chooses to write their characters badly. Frankly that's not something Marvel needs to emulate.

[Thrice]

Part of what makes marvel characters so appealing is despite whatever flashy powers they might have they are human. Complete with all the flaws and emotional baggage. This is why Spiderman became so popular. Now if you have a bunch of characters that are indestructible and uber powerful it takes away an audeinces ability to relate to them as well.

[Kirk G]

Part of what makes marvel characters so appealing is despite whatever flashy powers they might have they are human. Complete with all the flaws and emotional baggage. This is why Spiderman became so popular. Now if you have a bunch of characters that are indestructible and uber powerful it takes away an audeinces ability to relate to them as well.
That may have been Spider-Man's appeal in the early days, and certainly, the concept of the flawed hero was appealing in early Silver Age Marvels...
but by the mid to late 60s, the anti-hero (Namor, Hulk, Steve McQueen, etc) was in vogue.

I don't think that Spider-Man as a flawed character is what is selling him now, do you? He's established. Certainly, the mutant school with nervous, unsure teens learning to cope with their powers is a recurant theme in Marvel, who have had, let me see, at least three if not four, generations having been re-invented with the school motiffe'. But surely spidey has out grown that litterally as well as figuratively.

[lonewolf23k]

Uh, folks... Didn't the Avengers routinely have Thor as one of their core members, up until recently?

...As in, the God of Thunder, possessed of Superman-level superstrength, invulnerability and flight, along with the power to control the weather, create dimensional portals with his hammer, and many other traits?

...What's wrong with Sentry that wasn't wrong with Thor?

[Gaz]

Uh, folks... Didn't the Avengers routinely have Thor as one of their core members, up until recently?

...As in, the God of Thunder, possessed of Superman-level superstrength, invulnerability and flight, along with the power to control the weather, create dimensional portals with his hammer, and many other traits?

...What's wrong with Sentry that wasn't wrong with Thor?
He's new. :p

[Kirk G]

I recall thinking a bout the time that the Silver Surfer's first volume was coming out, that he's really too powerful, no limits on his abilities. Sure, he may have been trapped on Earth, but given the power cosmic, he would do anything, could create anything, go anywhere, live anywhere, but just not leave and be with the one he wanted.
So I said to my mom, he's too omnipotent, and she threatened to take my comics away because they had a god-like character running around...

But all kidding asside, that's why I never saw him as being a good fit for the Defenders... (heck, I could never understand what drew those three together in the first place... the story was dreadful)... and even Stan Lee had to depower him down... or throttle him back a couple of times before he could be a "superhero" in New York, along with Spider-Man, the Human Torch, etc...

I suspect the Sentry faces the same trouble... eh?

[RocketBoy]

Uh, folks... Didn't the Avengers routinely have Thor as one of their core members, up until recently?
Exactly, which is why it is expected that Sentry will be powered down to Thor level at most. Thor couldn't defeat every character in the Marvel universe at once without breaking a sweat the way Sentry seems to be able to at the moment.

[G. Wayne]

It works for DC having superpowerful charactors. Why can't it work for Marvel??

on the whole, dc characters are stronger than the marvel mainstays. there are exceptions, but i think the idea is something like dc has the demigod-like superheros (most of the jla, for example) and marvel has the humans with powers.

in the mini, it came to make sense for sentry because he was addicted to being a superhero. but if he used his powers too much, he had to deal with the side affect of his powers, the void. but nooo, now it seems like the sentry was brainwashed by frikkin mastermind to believe the void exists. undoing the brainwashing will probably have something to do with lowering sentry's power. :p to bendis, i say.

sentry, going by his miniseries anyway, should be head and shoulders abover all but the top teir of marvel characters. like strange, surfer, and thor. defenders aside, strange and surfer are so powerful for marvel that they're almost to plot device levels/reduced to a single appearance-holy-crap-they-had-to-bring-HIM in levels. (strange in disassembled or surfer in the cable/deadpool arc)

that, and they were probably waiting for the time to bring him back, and new avengers seemed like the ideal place. but with general ability level of the rest of the team, unless they REALLY power him down though, it'll be like having the surfer start tagging around with the runaways. amusing in concept, yet really kinda pointless.

ooorrr

bendis has jenkins locked up in his basement. :eek:

[Smokey17]

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newsarama has a few pages with the JrJr intereview and has a some pages of the Sentry taking on Terrax. The same Terrax that casually beat the crap out of the fantastic four. Well the Sentry pretty much kicks his ass without breaking a sweat.

[jadegiant77]

Let's just leave his frickin' powers alone, ok? Geez, quit bein' whiny lil' bitches. :p

[StoneGold]

Here's the thing, he has limitations, but they are mental, not physical. He's bat**** insane! He's got limitless power, but he's agoraphobic, has a massive inferiority complex, and suffers from all kinds of weird hallucinations. Like mixing Superman with the guy who hangs out in front of the 7-Eleven who hasn't bathed... ever. So the whole lack of sanity thing compensates.

[lonewolf23k]

Here's the thing, he has limitations, but they are mental, not physical. He's bat**** insane! He's got limitless power, but he's agoraphobic, has a massive inferiority complex, and suffers from all kinds of weird hallucinations. Like mixing Superman with the guy who hangs out in front of the 7-Eleven who hasn't bathed... ever. So the whole lack of sanity thing compensates.


Gotta say, that's an interesting way to limit a character..

[Copper]

The thing I got from John Romita Jr.'s interview is that people should probably rightly be afraid of the Sentry. In the DCU you have everyone trusting Superman because of his image as one of the "good guys" despite the fact that he could probably raze the entire planet in very short order--I think Sentry has the Marvel Universe kind of cynicism in that the heroes will probably start to notice he's not all there. And his "membership" in the Avengers is probably coming about because they're keeping an eye on him, and not because the Sentry needs them as a team.

[Smarty Jones]

"Here's the thing, he has limitations, but they are mental, not physical. He's bat**** insane! He's got limitless power, but he's agoraphobic, has a massive inferiority complex, and suffers from all kinds of weird hallucinations. Like mixing Superman with the guy who hangs out in front of the 7-Eleven who hasn't bathed... ever. So the whole lack of sanity thing compensates."

Good explanation. Another idea could be is that The Sentry is not as powerful as people make him out to be, and he fails to meet their expectations. Or maybe a mix of ideas, that his personal issues mute his powers and people don't know what to expect when he is coherent.

[BizarroBeachHead]

Here's the thing, he has limitations, but they are mental, not physical. He's bat**** insane! He's got limitless power, but he's agoraphobic, has a massive inferiority complex, and suffers from all kinds of weird hallucinations. Like mixing Superman with the guy who hangs out in front of the 7-Eleven who hasn't bathed... ever. So the whole lack of sanity thing compensates.

The thing I got from John Romita Jr.'s interview is that people should probably rightly be afraid of the Sentry. In the DCU you have everyone trusting Superman because of his image as one of the "good guys" despite the fact that he could probably raze the entire planet in very short order--I think Sentry has the Marvel Universe kind of cynicism in that the heroes will probably start to notice he's not all there. And his "membership" in the Avengers is probably coming about because they're keeping an eye on him, and not because the Sentry needs them as a team.
These are probably the best two explanations on why Sentry doesn't need to be depowered.

And if you are looking for a yes or no answer, well, Jenkins has stated that he will be writing the Sentry the way he's always planned on writing him(as seen in the mini) which pretty much destroys the idea of depowering him.

[marvelboy]

IMO I hope that the Sentry ends up becoming as powerful as Superman Prime....just so I can hear people whine about how powerful he is.

[XPac]

Uh, folks... Didn't the Avengers routinely have Thor as one of their core members, up until recently?

...As in, the God of Thunder, possessed of Superman-level superstrength, invulnerability and flight, along with the power to control the weather, create dimensional portals with his hammer, and many other traits?

...What's wrong with Sentry that wasn't wrong with Thor?

If Sentry ends up roughly at Thor's power level, Sentry won't need depowering. That's very powerful, but not to the point where he's nearly impossible to write well. It's being Galactus+ level where we might have problems. Which is why he needs to be depowered.

[Psyco panda]

Here's the thing, he has limitations, but they are mental, not physical. He's bat**** insane! He's got limitless power, but he's agoraphobic, has a massive inferiority complex, and suffers from all kinds of weird hallucinations. Like mixing Superman with the guy who hangs out in front of the 7-Eleven who hasn't bathed... ever. So the whole lack of sanity thing compensates.

But mental blocks remove tension from a story because they are so easily overcome. He's weakened by issues... but only until he's needed. When the Avengers are about to be eaten by Cyber-galactus, it's then that Sentry says to himself " I have problems, but if I don't get over them now, we'll all done for!" Cue breaking his chains and beating up everyone. There's no tension because you know Sentry is just going to get over his problems and save the day.

[StoneGold]

But mental blocks remove tension from a story because they are so easily overcome. He's weakened by issues... but only until he's needed. When the Avengers are about to be eaten by Cyber-galactus, it's then that Sentry says to himself " I have problems, but if I don't get over them now, we'll all done for!" Cue breaking his chains and beating up everyone. There's no tension because you know Sentry is just going to get over his problems and save the day.
And how is that different from, oh, I don't know, ANY HERO EVER????

[AllisterH]

And how is that different from, oh, I don't know, ANY HERO EVER????

Its different from how marvel works though. No matter how many mental blocks Surfer overcomes, he's still getting owned by The Runner.

The Destroyer doesn't care that someone gave Thor a pep talk. He's still going to smash Thor into the ground.

Make no mistake, as someone who enjoyed the miniseries, the idea of the Sentry is cool but seriously, how long do you think these "mental blocks" would last in an ongoing?

1 year? 2 years? I betcha with Bendis' style writing, you could even stretch it out for 3 years.

What happens after that though? I mean, you just know a storyline is coming where either Spidey or Captain America gives an inspirational speech and then "Bob" kicks it into gear. How many times can Steve give that speech before we're tired with it.

Take Storm for example. She has acute claustrophobia and early on in her career, Avalanche probably could solo her. One earth encasement attack and she was catatonic (sp?). It would take Xavier or Jean to snap her back. Didn't matter to Classic Juggs though as he would wreck her.

Nowaday, she is still claustrophobic but she can deal with it and actually function sufficiently to come up with plans and ideas to get out of the situation. Avalanche nowadays would get mulched, but Classic juggs would STILL wreck her.

But what happens with the Sentry. There currently isn't a villain on the planet who can match Bob yet because of his agrophobia, he isn't going to be battling the regular space villains like Thor and Surfer do. That's why Sentry doesn't work for the marvel universe.

[Lightbend]

The thing about the Galactus stalemating-Galactus' power level fluctuates, wildly. Thor himself once not only stalemated but beat back Galactus-who was significantly weakened.

Is it not possible that the incident where the Sentry stalemated Galactus was when Galactus was near-death from hunger, following Terrax's rampage?

[Smokey17]

^^^^^^^^

very possible but i wonder how would they work that in. maybe he was there during the confrontation with the FF, strange and Avengers and the hereos forgot he was there

[Gibran]

If Sentry truly has the power of a million exploding suns, Galactus wouldn't need to be weakened for Sentry to give him a good run.