Why do the Sin City girls need to be prostitutes

[Taltos]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?

[Pariah128]

I dunno, they probably are whores or have low self esteem lol, It would be gross to fight one of em tho, I'd probably catch clymidia

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?

Most of them are that talented *because* they're part of the Sin City prostitution business.

Up until a few generations ago, prositution was run by the pimps, pushers, and various other crime lords.


Then the women decided to do it themselves, kicked the crap out of all the middle-men, and took over a region for themselves.

And, as was demonstrated by Manute, there are groups spread throughout SC that would rather have control again. So, the women forced themselves to toughen up. Some became adept at spying, fighting, making strategies, playing the political game, etc, etc.


And this was passed down from mother to child, and so on and so forth.


Sure, they *could* run off after learning their skills, but there's a big reason why they typically don't. It's a matter of tradition, honor, and respect. Aside from the big movers-and-shakers, no one messes with the girls anymore. They're safe, and have free reign. And it's what their mothers and grandmothers did.


I'm sure some women have left for other interests...but those aren't the people the series focuses on.

[heretic]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?
I am not an expert on the series... but depending on the manner/prices/services Prostitution could well prove a good sourse of cash, leverage (via information), and psychological data on powerful figures.

HTG

[Taltos]

Most of them are that talented *because* they're part of the Sin City prostitution business.

Up until a few generations ago, prositution was run by the pimps, pushers, and various other crime lords.


Then the women decided to do it themselves, kicked the crap out of all the middle-men, and took over a region for themselves.

And, as was demonstrated by Manute, there are groups spread throughout SC that would rather have control again. So, the women forced themselves to toughen up. Some became adept at spying, fighting, making strategies, playing the political game, etc, etc.


And this was passed down from mother to child, and so on and so forth.


Why would they fight so hard to be whores?

Sure, they *could* run off after learning their skills, but there's a big reason why they typically don't. It's a matter of tradition, honor, and respect. Aside from the big movers-and-shakers, no one messes with the girls anymore. They're safe, and have free reign. And it's what their mothers and grandmothers did.
They're whores!! Why wouldnt they do something else once they got control, like say put in end to prostitution or be mercenaries or something. Or at the very least set up a brothel so they dont have to work the streets.

And i doubt their mothers wanted them to be whores.

[literally exaggerated]

They don't seem to attatch the same stigma to it that most do. And with good reason. The central concept of taking money to have sex is not necessarily a degrading one if its a choice entered of free will and one isn't exploited, abused or otherwise taken advantage of. This doesn't happen in the real world because whores get exploited and abused all the time, are almost always forced into it because of poverty or drug addictions, and generally lead pretty miserable lives.

The girls have removed all of that. They're there entirely because they want to be. They lead good lives (by Sin City standards, anyway). They have total control over themselves. They aren't exploited, they never get abused, and they get to make the rules.

If they really like having sex and/or see it as pure business, with no stigma attatched (which seems to be pretty much the case), than why not?

[Taltos]

I am not an expert on the series... but depending on the manner/prices/services Prostitution could well prove a good sourse of cash, leverage (via information), and psychological data on powerful figures.

HTG
What would whores do with money and power? Are they aspireing to be better whores? What good is money if you still have to sell your body every day?

[Taltos]

They don't seem to attatch the same stigma to it that most do. And with good reason. The central concept of taking money to have sex is not necessarily a degrading one if its a choice entered of free will and one isn't exploited, abused or otherwise taken advantage of. This doesn't happen in the real world because whores get exploited and abused all the time, are almost always forced into it because of poverty or drug addictions, and generally lead pretty miserable lives.

The girls have removed all of that. They're there entirely because they want to be. They lead good lives (by Sin City standards, anyway). They have total control over themselves. They aren't exploited, they never get abused, and they get to make the rules.

If they really like having sex and/or see it as pure business, with no stigma attatched (which seems to be pretty much the case), than why not?
That seems pretty reasonable.

[heretic]

I am not an expert on the series... but depending on the manner/prices/services Prostitution could well prove a good sourse of cash, leverage (via information), and psychological data on powerful figures. What would whores do with money and power? Are they aspireing to be better whores? What good is money if you still have to sell your body every day?
Try selling it every other week... or perhaps retire?

In any case, some may find it a power trip to rule such pigs with thier bodies.

HTG (understanding, but disagreeing with, your knee-jerk horror of Prostitution)

[Taltos]

HTG (understanding, but disagreeing with, your knee-jerk horror of Prostitution)
No, i just dont see why someone would choose to be a prostitute. But literally exaggerated pointed out some good reasons.

[Pariah128]

LOL@ aspiring to be better whores

[StoneGold]

Because Miller's a perv.

[fuaak]

*Shrug*

Because the setting is like that. In Sin City, every cop is crooked, every man a killer and every woman a whore and that's just the way it is. It doesn't need to make sense.

[BrendanK]

What would whores do with money and power? Are they aspireing to be better whores? What good is money if you still have to sell your body every day?
Well, the not so smart ones might indulge in clothes and fancy food, the smarter ones would put the money in the bank, or use it to pay for earning some level of university degree, or invest it in a second business, or simply have it so that they can tell a REALLY unpleasant John "I don't need your money that bad."

[Bakema NL]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?

Way of looking down on these women. I don't consider Miller's use of women as whores in stories as looking down on women, it's really people like you who make me think that. Because you consider it as the last career you would chose, and lots of others with you, it's bad. But there are actually women liking the job.....yes, for them it's a job. And a lot of them make more than decent money with it, you would be amazed. It's indeed a career, if you want to call it that, that's not for everybody, so women choosing to go into it have much more respect from me than women in other careers maybe, this really is not for everybody, takes a strong personality to handle it, very strong. They provide a service, one that's in demand. Why are prostitutes considered low and you don't hear about women picking up men in bars or whatever, every week another...........these are stupid, they don't get paid for it. When a guy picks up a girl in a bar every week he's considered a hell of a guy, wow dude, you know how to get some nooky.....when girls/women do it they are dirty, easy broads. It's really us men who are low, we visit these hookers, we need them......but frankly I don't consider it low to visit a hooker, not in this glorified "beauty is everything" society we live in.
And mind you, I'm not talking about women forced into it, or into it because of whatever earlier bad experiences that made them feel low about themselves or something.
I think you would consider a career as a lawyer a very decent one? Wow, a lawyer, fine job most of the time I think. But there are actually lawyers practicing their job, so good at it, they manage to get criminals off the hook......and I'm talking bad criminals, murderers, rapists, whatever. They manage to get them back on the streets just because they are so good at their jobs...............so why do I have to regard lawyer a better career than prostitute, like most people do? A prostitue is a woman just like any other, only at a job most others wouldn't be capable of.
Would it surprise you when I say that a lot of times prostitutes, escort girls really, don't even have sex with a customer? A lot of men just like the company, somebody to talk to, because they are lonely........and there are older men, alone, who can't even get it up anymore, but like to cuddle with a nice woman.

No, i just dont see why someone would choose to be a prostitute. But literally exaggerated pointed out some good reasons.

Probably money first. And because they actually like it? I know, may be hard to imagine, but they do exist. When you can handle it, it's easy money and it's good money.

What would whores do with money and power? Are they aspireing to be better whores? What good is money if you still have to sell your body every day?

We are all whores, you and me too. Almost every day I rent out my body and mind to my employer, to do work for him. I lift heavy things, that's stressful to my body, the job can be very hectic, that causes stress, which is not good for my body...............we are all whores in a way.
And there is a thing as aspiring to be a better whore. An escort agency always has women in employ with one being more popular than another. Customers who really had a good time ask a girl back, these girls have regulars, because they are doing their job very well. Sometimes a customer tries another girl, but doesn't like the experience and comes back to this one girl, that happens a lot. There are girls/women who are giving an agency a very good name because she's a good professional. Of course most people are incapable of imagining that, so if you can't, don't even bother with it, then you will never get it.

And Sin city is just a story, settings, a comic book, fictional, not real.

[Petersen]

*Shrug*

Because the setting is like that. In Sin City, every cop is crooked, every man a killer and every woman a whore and that's just the way it is. It doesn't need to make sense.

Exactly.

There was a good interview with Miller on NPR's Fresh air...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4585635

[The Lucky One]

What would whores do with money and power? Are they aspireing to be better whores? What good is money if you still have to sell your body every day?

As opposed to selling your computer skills, or writing ability, or intelligence, or time? Every job in the world involves you "selling" your talents to an employer for recompense. They probably spend their money on the same things you or I would. Except, y'know, minus the comics.

-D

[heavysoul]

The character of Marv in Sin City is basically a bum. Why would the best killer in the business be a bum?

You could speculate every little nook and cranny of the book. Why? It's a great fantasy read. Just because it looks like the real world doesn't mean Sin City has to follow the rules of the real world. Relax and enjoy the ride, man.

[Daniel Hopkins]

Killing is the only thing he's good at. He tells us that in The Hard Goodbye.

He doesn't kill for money or a profession he does it because he lives in Sin City....

[Taltos]

Well, the not so smart ones might indulge in clothes and fancy food, the smarter ones would put the money in the bank, or use it to pay for earning some level of university degree, or invest it in a second business, or simply have it so that they can tell a REALLY unpleasant John "I don't need your money that bad."

At the end of the day do these possessions really matter after what they had to do to get them? Im pretty sure a sink made of marble wouldnt be very comforting if i had to spit several strangers cum into it every night.

Why do they need to go to a university? They already have skills and connections.

Im pretty sure they could just kill REALLY unpleasant John.

[Taltos]

As opposed to selling your computer skills, or writing ability, or intelligence, or time? Every job in the world involves you "selling" your talents to an employer for recompense.
Yeah, i really dont think thats the same thing.

[heavysoul]

Killing is the only thing he's good at. He tells us that in The Hard Goodbye.

He doesn't kill for money or a profession he does it because he lives in Sin City....Correct! I know that. You know that and, now, Taltos knows that. Marv's reason for being a cold, hard killer is the same reason for the girls of Oldtown being prostitutes.

[Alex Dragon]

Yeah, i really dont think thats the same thing.

Of course it's the same thing. The only difference is that society has told you it's "evil" to sell sex. If you were able to look at it totally unobjectionally and had the choice between digging a ditch or working at a fast food place for minimun wage or having sex with someone for a ton of dough, which would you pick? If you didn't choose the sex you aren't being truthful or are still looking at it through the eyes of "society".

[sheets]

I remember an interview or two in which Frank Miller made reference to living for some time as a homeless person in New York City, and that while he was doing so his best friends were prostitutes. He also said that many of these women had skills that should have come in handy for making a respectable career but that for whatever reason the women were stuck being prostitutes. So the prevalence of super-prostitutes in his work (remember that his Batman reboot also turned Catwoman into a prostitute, for instance) is basically his way of paying tribute to these women he used to know.

[Bakema NL]

Of course it's the same thing. The only difference is that society has told you it's "evil" to sell sex. If you were able to look at it totally unobjectionally and had the choice between digging a ditch or working at a fast food place for minimun wage or having sex with someone for a ton of dough, which would you pick? If you didn't choose the sex you aren't being truthful or are still looking at it through the eyes of "society".

You are totally right about this.

[Kaiju]

All the Sin City girls aren't prostitutes. There are a few nuns, social workers, black widows, assassins, strippers and waitresses. ;)

I imagine there are lots of women in 'Sin City that aren't prostitutes but in Oldtown the Girls are a world unto themselves. Most of the stories are set there so they outnumber the other women in the series.

[The Lucky One]

Yeah, i really dont think thats the same thing.

Morally, maybe not, but it's still an exchange of services for currency. Your original question was, what would a whore do with money or power... well, what would you do with money or power? You'd buy a place to live, food, maybe a nice TV and stereo, try to build a better material life for yourself; which, frankly, is the exact same thing they would. And power? Why don't you tell me who's really more powerful- the middle management corporate drone who gets to boss around 5 accountants, or the woman he visits every other night who takes his money and brings him to his knees with a touch or a wink?

I'm not morally defending prostitution here... it's against my religious beliefs and all that. But I do think you need to get off the ol' high horse and accept that a lot of women don't view it as a demeaning profession at all. In many societies, prostitutes were actually fairly high in the social pecking order, and in a few were even viewed as priestesses of sorts. You clearly don't approve of them, and that's fine; but they don't feel the same, so don't expect them all to be desperately searching for a way out of a profession they have no problem with.

-D

[Daniel Hopkins]

Correct! I know that. You know that and, now, Taltos knows that. Marv's reason for being a cold, hard killer is the same reason for the girls of Oldtown being prostitutes.
Well said!

[Taltos]

Of course it's the same thing. The only difference is that society has told you it's "evil" to sell sex. If you were able to look at it totally unobjectionally and had the choice between digging a ditch or working at a fast food place for minimun wage or having sex with someone for a ton of dough, which would you pick? If you didn't choose the sex you aren't being truthful or are still looking at it through the eyes of "society".
No i wouldnt dumbass, and it's not because im looking at it through the eyes of "society". I mean even if you take out the danger, the risk of disease, and the unsavory clients (i.e. all of them); you're selling a little peice of your self. Then again maybe sex just has more emotional value for me.

[prismablue]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?
Ladies of the evening are a staple of the hard boiled crime fiction whcih inspires sin city, so far. Miller is using Iconic images and trappings of the genre and putting a twist on them.

[VMLB]

You are totally right about this.

Taking control of your sexuality and dealing with it on your own terms is incredibly empowering.

By all rights, a person's sexuality should belong to them not to society.

[heavysoul]

No i wouldnt dumbass, and it's not because im looking at it through the eyes of "society". I mean even if you take out the danger, the risk of disease, and the unsavory clients (i.e. all of them); you're selling a little peice of your self. Then again maybe sex just has more emotional value for me.Really? Wow, you just gave away a piece of yourself at NO cost to the recipient of that insult. This is a comic book we're discussing here, right? Maybe your time would be better served judging yourself rather than these 2 dimensional characters and the people whose opinions you've asked for. That post was truly out-of-line.

[Taltos]

Really? Wow, you just gave away a piece of yourself at NO cost to the recipient of that insult.

The only thing insulting part about what I said was when I called Alex a dumbass. And I whole-heartedly believe it was justified. Alex was prejudgeing me and assigning me a social blindness that I dont suffer from.

This is a comic book we're discussing here, right? Maybe your time would be better served judging yourself rather than these 2 dimensional characters

Good thing this isnt a forum centered on discussing comic books or this statement might just sound a tad bit ridculous.

and the people whose opinions you've asked for. That post was truly out-of-line. You clearly dont understand anything you just read and I think the words of Mark Twain would do you some good.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

[DarkBlade]

Folks, let's keep this amicable.

Taltos, I think the point some folks are trying to get you to understand is that most, if not all, professions involve selling yourself to one degree or another. It's hardly exclusive to sex.

[heavysoul]

Yes, you've got it spot on there, Darkblade.

No name-calling necessary, even if you feel you've been judged unfairly or disagree with someone. After all, it's only comics.

And, yes, I do feel every profession is [in some way] selling yourself. Thanks for that post.

[prismablue]

Hmmm, this thread got me thinking, besides beinga staple of hard-boiled crime fiction, maybe frank included hookers to get under the skin of moralists?

[Perry Holley]

The only thing insulting part about what I said was when I called Alex a dumbass. And I whole-heartedly believe it was justified.To be blunt, whether or not you think it's appropriate is irrelevant. It's still a Personal Attack, which is a no-no.

[Gumbo Maximillian]

Correct! I know that. You know that and, now, Taltos knows that. Marv's reason for being a cold, hard killer is the same reason for the girls of Oldtown being prostitutes.

Except whereeas Marv is only good at one thing "killing", the girls are good at a whole range of skills and abilities aside from prostitution.

As for the "which job would you do" question; unless you liked doing physical labor, which people do so it isn't out of the question, most would probably go with "sex for a ton of money".

Of course thats taking out all emotional values or belief's associated with sex beyond just that "prostitution is sinful" and reducing it to its most basic component parts.

[Justin D.]

Taltos, I know Darkblade already said something, but let me say something now since I just saw your post calling someone a dumbass.

If you can't keep from throwing insults at people that are in no way to be intended as friendly or joking, then don't come back to this board. Simple as that. In fact, this kind of behavior often leads to a temporary ban at first from one or all boards here.

I think this might be once in the last year or so that I've had to make such a statement on this board.

[Taltos]

Yes, you've got it spot on there, Darkblade.

No name-calling necessary, even if you feel you've been judged unfairly or disagree with someone. After all, it's only comics.
Yes he is right, I shouldnt of lost my cool, and I apologize.

And, yes, I do feel every profession is [in some way] selling yourself. Thanks for that post.
Yes but it isnt the same level of sacriface.

[heavysoul]

Apology accepted, Taltos. Thanks for the effort it took to deliver it here.

[Slappy san]

I remember an interview or two in which Frank Miller made reference to living for some time as a homeless person in New York City, and that while he was doing so his best friends were prostitutes. He also said that many of these women had skills that should have come in handy for making a respectable career but that for whatever reason the women were stuck being prostitutes. So the prevalence of super-prostitutes in his work (remember that his Batman reboot also turned Catwoman into a prostitute, for instance) is basically his way of paying tribute to these women he used to know.

I'd never heard that. It makes quite a bit of since. But then again...I never cared. It's a damn story.

[Santanico]

I tend to think the answer to the question would most likely be, "Because it's Frank Miller's fantasy world". Yes, in real life, prostitution is a pretty miserable profession populated almost entirely by pretty miserable people (and, I swear, if I hear the old "the hookers are the ones with the power because they make men pay!" argument one more time, I'll scream. They don't make men pay; the men don't mind paying, and don't seem to feel that the women have power over them any more than I would consider that my bag-boy at the supermarket has any power over me).

However, in the Sin City-verse, it would seem to be a different kettle of fish entirely. Things in that 'verse are way different from the ones we have here, in too many ways to count (really, what are the odds that, say, the openly criminal activities of Dwight would attract no legal repercussions whatsoever?).

[Shellhead]

I tend to think the answer to the question would most likely be, "Because it's Frank Miller's fantasy world". Yes, in real life, prostitution is a pretty miserable profession populated almost entirely by pretty miserable people (and, I swear, if I hear the old "the hookers are the ones with the power because they make men pay!" argument one more time, I'll scream. They don't make men pay; the men don't mind paying, and don't seem to feel that the women have power over them any more than I would consider that my bag-boy at the supermarket has any power over me).

However, in the Sin City-verse, it would seem to be a different kettle of fish entirely. Things in that 'verse are way different from the ones we have here, in too many ways to count (really, what are the odds that, say, the openly criminal activities of Dwight would attract no legal repercussions whatsoever?).

In reality, some prostitutes in the real world have a pretty good situation right now. The stereotype is that prostitutes are all worn-out drug addicts who get beat up by their pimps on a regular basis. That may be what Hollywood likes to focus on, but that doesn't make it true.

Instead, some operate as call girls who charge at least $200-$300 per hour, and keep half or more of that if they work for an agency, or all of it if they are freelance. What other job allows a woman with no college education to earn that much money per hour? Then there are the high-class call girls, who look like models and charge several hundred per hour. They fly to other cities to meet up with their clients, because those clients can afford to pay the fare and their hourly rate. Generally, those clients don't go to that trouble for just an hour or two, they pay for at least an overnight stay if not a whole weekend.

While the work is not entirely safe, most of the women take precautions. They require their clients to wear condems, some screen their clients in advance, and most call somebody before going in, to let them know where they are and how long they expect to be there.

In the long run, it's a bad career choice. Most men aren't interested in paying to have sex with a woman in her late 30's or older. And prostitutes sometimes get too careless with their money, spending it all on clothes or drugs or a fancy car or having too many kids. When they get too old for the profession, they may be stuck with an expensive lifestyle and no way to keep earning the big money or adjust to unskilled low-wage work.

[Ovid]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?
Because it's hard-boiled fiction and as such has a hard-on for sex and violence. The hard-as-nails but scantily-clad streetwalkers fulfil both those fantasies at once. Of course, the genre is also misogynistic as hell so the women can't be too powerful. Thus despite their alleged competence they still somehow need to be rescued/avenged by men like Dwight and Marv.

Precisely why Miller enjoys writing that genre so much is a whole other question...

[unkiedev]

I agree with Taltos on this one and I always have.

Sin City is a great story...it gets to wearing kinda thin after awhile, but it is Noir to the extreme and the world works on that level. It's just a comic book...

But even so it never made sense to me that the girls of Old Town would remain as prostitutes. In no panel of Sin City do any of the old school girls express that they like their johns or really their jobs. The reason they threw off the pimps was the abuse, drugs and exploitation, but they have replaced them with a top executive level of prostitutes. They have one of the biggest private arsenals in the world of Sin City, spies everywhere and some of the best assassins and they use this network to...be prostitutes?

If the argument stands that removed from the stigma of "Sex is bad" prostitution is the same job as computer programing or plumbing? I guess.

Besideds, There are top level girls like Goldie, Her sister, miho and Gail. They seem to run the show and let younger, smaller girls handle all the Johns. That means there is a ruling class of prostitutes exploiting a working class.

-At the end of the day Sin City is a masterful work of pure machinsmo comic book fun, but I never understood the Old Town thing. It makes no sense.

[Arvandor]

It seems obvious to me.

The girls have nowhere else to go.

The world of Sin City is like ours, only much, much worse. In the real world, the girls would be able to take their money and skills and find a better life and more respectable career. But in this world, that is impossible. In this dark, cruel, oppressive world, all avenues and options for these whores are closed off. The poor stay poor. The rich stay rich. And whores will remain whores forever.

In Old Town, the girls may be whores, but they are respected whores. They have friends, valuable skills, and a place in society. But should they try to leave, then society will quickly stamp them down and force them back into the role of submissive female.

[unkiedev]

It seems obvious to me.

The girls have nowhere else to go.

The world of Sin City is like ours, only much, much worse. In the real world, the girls would be able to take their money and skills and find a better life and more respectable career. But in this world, that is impossible. In this dark, cruel, oppressive world, all avenues and options for these whores are closed off. The poor stay poor. The rich stay rich. And whores will remain whores forever.

In Old Town, the girls may be whores, but they are respected whores. They have friends, valuable skills, and a place in society. But should they try to leave, then society will quickly stamp them down and force them back into the role of submissive female.
Hmm. Interesting. We never do see the world outside of Sin City. We never see any real people in Sin City either, just the Killers the Killees and the prostitutes who service both. Every Doctor, Lawyer and cop who ever shows up is either corrupt or dead. Interesting position, Arvandor.

[Taltos]

It seems obvious to me.

The girls have nowhere else to go.

The world of Sin City is like ours, only much, much worse. In the real world, the girls would be able to take their money and skills and find a better life and more respectable career. But in this world, that is impossible. In this dark, cruel, oppressive world, all avenues and options for these whores are closed off. The poor stay poor. The rich stay rich. And whores will remain whores forever.

In Old Town, the girls may be whores, but they are respected whores. They have friends, valuable skills, and a place in society. But should they try to leave, then society will quickly stamp them down and force them back into the role of submissive female.
I doubt this is true. Im sure they have mothers, sisters, and aunts who arent whores. Just b/c we are only shown one choice it doesnt mean its the only one.

[Arvandor]

I doubt this is true. Im sure they have mothers, sisters, and aunts who arent whores. Just b/c we are only shown one choice it doesnt mean its the only one.

Nuh uh. Their mothers are whores. Their sisters are whores. Their aunts are whores. Their friends are whores.

In the world of Sin City - which I repeat is NOT the real world - women have only two choices: be whores or be slaves. The women in this world are totally subservient to the whims of male oppression. Only the whores of Oldtown have found a modicum of freedom.

Its twisted but that's the way it is in Sin City.

[cactusmaac]

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20060207whores.png

[Taltos]

Nuh uh. Their mothers are whores. Their sisters are whores. Their aunts are whores. Their friends are whores.

In the world of Sin City - which I repeat is NOT the real world - women have only two choices: be whores or be slaves. The women in this world are totally subservient to the whims of male oppression. Only the whores of Oldtown have found a modicum of freedom.

Its twisted but that's the way it is in Sin City.
waut ...there are strippers too.

[the goddamn batman]

Simple answer - It's SIN City.

And Frank likes drawing hot women.

But...
Why are all the male leads either, drunks/addicts, killers and crazy (except Hartigan and the guy from Hell and Back) total losers?

Because it's SIN City.

Why are almost all of the other male parts seedy bastards out to get someone?

Because it's SIN City.


I might have already said this, but if not.


I would like to add that, despite their profession, Frank treats his women with respect. They are all fiercly independant women who know what they want and how to get it. Not one of them is ever treated with the disrespect that our society treats them, except for the obvious "bad guys". Not one of them NEEDS the men in their lives. And I would argue that they are subject to male oppression.

I'd say it's us that looks down on them for being prostitutes. Why does it matter that they are prostitutes? Does is bother anyone? Is it harder to suspend your disbelief for that than say... Superman?

If anything, I'd say Frank is selling respect at whole sale, it's just that we are not listening.

[saintsaucey]

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20060207whores.png


LMAO that was great. Io need to buy the trades to read, I just haven't ponied up the 17 dollars a book yet.

[RMThompson]

Nuh uh. Their mothers are whores. Their sisters are whores. Their aunts are whores. Their friends are whores.

In the world of Sin City - which I repeat is NOT the real world - women have only two choices: be whores or be slaves. The women in this world are totally subservient to the whims of male oppression. Only the whores of Oldtown have found a modicum of freedom.

Its twisted but that's the way it is in Sin City.

You're wrong. There is a normal base, we just don't see them. There have been female waitresses, and Marv even had a female case worker!

I just think it lends better to the story... and I take no moral objection to it!

[heavysoul]

Simple answer - It's SIN City.

And Frank likes drawing hot women.

But...
Why are all the male leads either, drunks/addicts, killers and crazy (except Hartigan and the guy from Hell and Back) total losers?

Because it's SIN City.

Why are almost all of the other male parts seedy bastards out to get someone?

Because it's SIN City.


I might have already said this, but if not.


I would like to add that, despite their profession, Frank treats his women with respect. They are all fiercly independant women who know what they want and how to get it. Not one of them is ever treated with the disrespect that our society treats them, except for the obvious "bad guys". Not one of them NEEDS the men in their lives. And I would argue that they are subject to male oppression.

I'd say it's us that looks down on them for being prostitutes. Why does it matter that they are prostitutes? Does is bother anyone? Is it harder to suspend your disbelief for that than say... Superman?

If anything, I'd say Frank is selling respect at whole sale, it's just that we are not listening.
Nice post.

I find it odd people are surprised in anything they find within the covers of a book called Sin City. I suppose they'd have found it more believable/relatable if instead of bums, crooked cops, dealers, junkies, cowards, drunks, bullies, prostitutes, waitresses, lawyers, retiring civil servants who feel they've wasted their lives, perverted priests and corrupt politicians Sin City was a story of super-powered aliens, genetically enhanced humans and other people who are not laughed at despite the fact they run/swing/fly around in silly looking tights.

As stated above, the book is called Sin City... get over it.

[Brian Defferding]

It just doesnt make sense for people that skilled to be just be whores. I mean do they want to be whores? I never thought of it as a trade one chooses to enter.
But honestly, if I had the skills they had, prostitution would be the last career I would consider.


thoughts? Answers?
Realistically, you're right. But Sin City is fantasy, specifically a heterosexual man's fantasy, so they could be sexbots for all I care ;)

[Brian Defferding]

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20060207whores.png
That's hilarious!

[the goddamn batman]

Nice post.


Thanks, same to you!;) I swear though, who cares about WHY? Just read the damn stories and like them, or don't.