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Buried Alien
08-30-2005, 02:31 AM
Without a doubt, the United States and the United Kingdom have had the greatest influence on popular music in the English-speaking world since the dawn of the rock era.

If you look at the charts and press for both countries during the past half century, you'll find plenty of overlap. Elvis was big in both countries, as were nearly all the first-generation rock 'n rollers. The Beatles, of course, dominated both countries. Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd sold well in both countries during the 1970s, as did Michael Jackson and Madonna in the 1980s and even the Spice Girls in the 1990s.

Sometimes, however, the Americans and the British have gone their separate ways as far as musical tastes are concerned. Here are some notable divergences:

1. Bill Haley and the Comets sank out of sight in the U.S. after "Rock Around The Clock" became passe' and Elvis became the next big thing, but in Britain, Haley and the Comets were heroes for years after "Rock Around The Clock".

2. Gene Vincent all but disappeared from the U.S. rock scene after "Be Bop A Lula" and a few other singles, but remained popular in the U.K. until his death in 1971 (and is a much bigger legend among rock 'n roll enthusiasts in the U.K. than in the U.S.).

3. Aside from PET SOUNDS, the Beach Boys didn't seem to catch on in a big way in the U.K. during the 1960s. Moreover, big early 1960s acts such as the Four Seasons didn't do much in Britain, but obscure American girl groups such as the Donays ("Devil In Her Heart" - covered by the Beatles on their second album) and the Exciters ("Do Wah Diddy Diddy" - covered by Manfred Mann for a hit single) were influential.

4. The Dave Clark Five, Herman's Hermits, and the Zombies were only moderately successful in their native Britain, but did very well in the U.S. Conversely, the U.S. didn't have much interest in the Kinks, the Small Faces, or early Pink Floyd in the 1960s, but these bands did very well in the U.K.

5. The Grateful Dead, the Jefferson Airplane, and the Doors were significant late 1960s U.S. bands, but none of them made much headway on the British charts.

6. Although they emerged simultaneously, the Ramones were popular in their native U.S. and the Sex Pistols were popular in their native U.K. Neither band did particularly well in each other's countries.

7. Country rock, as represented by Poco and the Flying Burrito Brothers in the U.S., didn't really happen in Britain, which was absorbed in blues rock at the same time (blues rock was present in the U.S., but not quite at the same level as in the U.K.).

8. Grunge became huge in the U.S. in the early 90s, but did not have as great an impact in Britain. Similarly, Britpop dominated British rock in the mid-90s, but caused barely a ripple in the U.S. beyond Oasis.

So plenty of overlap, but also plenty of divergence between American and British rock tastes over the past 50 years. Overall, it seems that the British take a more charitable view of "pop" than Americans do...or at least use the term differently to describe a wider range of musical styles.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Ilash
08-30-2005, 03:49 AM
Well, I think you've pretty much covered all the bases. I do think the reason for these divergences are pretty explainable in that a lot of these bands you mentioned were stylistically very much grounded in whichever country they came from. For example, that the Beatles or especially the Stones made it big in America is hardly surprising as their music is certainly not "region-locked" and comes across as accessible to anyone, regardless of nationality. On the other hand, bands like the Kinks and the Small Faces were extremely British and I do think that the only Americans (or any other nationality) who would actually go for their music would be those who have an affinity for British quirkiness.

Of course, all that said, much of the problem probably had to do with under-promotion of a lot of these bands in the country that they didn't sell in.

Rob Imes
08-30-2005, 05:49 AM
6. Although they emerged simultaneously, the Ramones were popular in their native U.S. and the Sex Pistols were popular in their native U.K. Neither band did particularly well in each other's countries.


I thought the Sex Pistols had a #1 hit in the U.K. with one of their singles?

7. Country rock, as represented by Poco and the Flying Burrito Brothers in the U.S., didn't really happen in Britain, which was absorbed in blues rock at the same time (blues rock was present in the U.S., but not quite at the same level as in the U.K.).


Also, I believe that the U.K. was much more into the glam thing represented by David Bowie, Mott the Hoople, T. Rex, etc. than America was. I recall one critic saying that while glam was going on, America was listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd instead.

Another example would be Cliff Richard who has been around in the U.K. since the 1950s, and has had a hit song there in every decade since then, but is pretty much unknown in the U.S. aside from a couple hits in the 1970s.

Robbie Williams and Kylie Minogue (or "She's so popular they just call her Kylie there") are much bigger in the U.K. than here. Same with other acts like Atomic Kitten which one sees listed in the U.K. Top 20 lists and one wonders, "Who?" The U.K. top 40 seems more open to the oddball song than the U.S. Top 40. I remember listening to a U.K. top 40 show circa 1990 and they had a song by The Cramps on the chart.

Adam Crocker
08-30-2005, 10:08 AM
6. Although they emerged simultaneously, the Ramones were popular in their native U.S. and the Sex Pistols were popular in their native U.K. Neither band did particularly well in each other's countries.


Really? I heard that the Ramones did better in Britain than in their own country. That was actually the case for a few of the NYC punk acts like the New York Dolls and Television.

Well besides Glam being popular in the UK, I've noticed that American alternative rock and British rock alternative rock in the 80s seem to have some distinct differences between each other. American alternative rock always struck me as gravitating more towards harder sounds and rootsier influences, while British alt rock had a more melodic, more poppy, more fey sound overall.

Another example would be Cliff Richard who has been around in the U.K. since the 1950s, and has had a hit song there in every decade since then, but is pretty much unknown in the U.S. aside from a couple hits in the 1970s.

Don't forget his backing band the Shadows, who were not only well known in the U.K. but acknowledged as an important influence by many British rockers, but are virtually unheard in the U.S.

Grant
08-30-2005, 01:09 PM
Really? I heard that the Ramones did better in Britain than in their own country. That was actually the case for a few of the NYC punk acts like the New York Dolls and Television.

I'm not sure if they were popular but they did inspire much of the first wave of British Punk. Including the Sex Pistols, The Clash, and The Buzzcocks.

Which isn't all that uncommon. A number American indie rock bands actually did pretty well in England and had a major influence on a number of groups in the the 90s. The Pixies come to mind as you can hear their influence in a lot of British rock bands. Ditto R.E.M.

Adam Crocker
08-30-2005, 01:36 PM
Which isn't all that uncommon. A number American indie rock bands actually did pretty well in England and had a major influence on a number of groups in the the 90s. The Pixies come to mind as you can hear their influence in a lot of British rock bands. Ditto R.E.M.

I heard that it was. Interestingly enough apparently blues and soul was more popular in England than the U.S. as well.

Dennis K
08-30-2005, 01:48 PM
Interestingly enough apparently blues was more popular in England than the U.S. as well.

That's pretty much true, yeah. For the most part, the English were way ahead of their American counterparts in their appreciation of Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. It was when bands like The Rolling Stones, John Mayall, Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin, Cream etc, etc, started bringing it back to the U.S. did the majority of white American rock and roll musicians begin to "discover" them for themselves. My own opinion is that for carrying on the true spirit of the Blues, at least the version most often associated with Chicago, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band were the best.
Of course they "lost" that connection, IMO, with the release of their second album, East-West. With the release of East-West, the PBBB became a little too self-indulgent.

Grant
08-30-2005, 01:52 PM
I heard that it was. Interestingly enough apparently blues and soul was more popular in England than the U.S. as well.

Also R & B has always been popular in England. Hip Hop is pretty popular there too though I can't think of too many British rappers besides the Streets.

Adam Crocker
08-30-2005, 02:03 PM
Also R & B has always been popular in England.

Apparently so much that when Mojo did an issue on the top 100 guitar players in 1996, in second place behind Hendrix was Steve Cropper.

The Mirrorball Man
08-30-2005, 07:35 PM
Also R & B has always been popular in England. Hip Hop is pretty popular there too though I can't think of too many British rappers besides the Streets.
The Streets is more UK garage than actual hip-hop, but what about Dizzee Rascal, Roots Manuva and Wiley?

Grant
08-30-2005, 10:55 PM
The Streets is more UK garage than actual hip-hop, but what about Dizzee Rascal, Roots Manuva and Wiley?

Yeah I only know Roots Manuva.