Whats up with todays music?

[Xombie]

It seems to me like all Hard Rock music has devevolved into purely power chords. Which is fine and all for a rythm but what happened to solo's?

People like Malmsteen and Steve Vai are tearing it up hardcord but most other bands don't solo at all.

The same goes for rap. It used to be a socioeconomic statement African Americans used to portray there living situation.

Now it has become pure bullshit about look how rich I am and how many chicks I can screw.

Its funny one of the few Rap artist who still does this is white.

[howyadoin]

It seems to me like all Hard Rock music has devevolved into purely power chords. Which is fine and all for a rythm but what happened to solo's?I'm guessing you don't count Velvet Revolver or Queens of the Stone Age as "today's" hard rock? Or Fu Manchu? Nashville Pussy? Audioslave? Monster Magnet? Silvertide?

Who specifically are you talkin' about here?

[Xombie]

I'm guessing you don't count Velvet Revolver or Queens of the Stone Age as "today's" hard rock? Or Fu Manchu? Nashville Pussy? Audioslave? Monster Magnet? Silvertide?

Who specifically are you talkin' about here?

90% of music you hear if you turn on the radio or tv.

[Sanagi]

Confucius he say, %90 of everything is crap.

[Grant]

I love these bullshit generalization threads.

[The Defenestrator]

What really bugged me was the time when everything that wasn't rap or pop was called "alternative." Friggin' Green Day was "alternative." What a bunch of crap. At least now they're lumped in with Rock and Pop, which is more where they belong.

[Xombie]

I love these bullshit generalization threads.

Bullshit my ass.

[Pepsigirl]

I've got a wonderful solution for you: turn off the radio.

I don't know about hard rock (don't care for it), but there are some amazing underground rappers who aren't making songs about guns, money, bitches, etc.

[The Defenestrator]

I've got a wonderful solution for you: turn off the radio.

I don't know about hard rock (don't care for it), but there are some amazing underground rappers who aren't making songs about guns, money, bitches, etc.

Very true, stay away from radio because in all likelihood Clear Channel owns half the radio stations in your area and is getting immense payola to play the same miserable crap every 45 minutes. Also stay away from MTV because it's pretty much the same situation there. I find a lot of the music I like from reading what my fave bands like and having friends and a Wifey with great ears.

[RickThunderclees]

95% of the music, played on the radio...is crap

[Buried Alien]

I must confess that today, we can't find good music as part of our everyday lives and have to dig deep UNDERGROUND to find good stuff. Do you think people back in the 1960s had to invest so much effort into finding good music? They had Bob Dylan, Motown, the British Invasion, and psychedelic rock aggressively marketed at them. Color me envious.

It's not so much that good music has ceased to exist as it is that people today need to work ten times harder locating it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[hugh45]

You use to listen to collge radio,but now that's taken over also.Go to
the web my friend,go to the webbbbbb..............

[Xombie]

I know it sucks that to get good music you actually have to search underground and all the popular stuff is just crappy. It seems like many artist are just getting lazy.

[d00m]

I've got a wonderful solution for you: turn off the radio.

I don't know about hard rock (don't care for it), but there are some amazing underground rappers who aren't making songs about guns, money, bitches, etc.

I agree :D
Pretty much the only rap I like on the radio at the moment is Kanye West, Common, and the Roots (tho occasionally anything G-Unit fits my mood perfectly :p ). I also love Madvillain / MF Doom, but that will never get played on the radio, unless you can pick up a decent college station where you live.

Same situation for the rock bands I like :(.

[Pepsigirl]

I agree :D
Pretty much the only rap I like on the radio at the moment is Kanye West, Common, and the Roots (tho occasionally anything G-Unit fits my mood perfectly :p ). I also love Madvillain / MF Doom, but that will never get played on the radio, unless you can pick up a decent college station where you live.

Same situation for the rock bands I like :(.

I know, one of the downsides to being an indie snob.

[d00m]

I know, one of the downsides to being an indie snob.

I find nothing snobbish about enjoying good music ;)

[howyadoin]

90% of music you hear if you turn on the radio or tv.So why did you specify "all hard rock", then? Every band I listed has guitar solos, and they're hardly the only ones.

[Ilash]

I must confess that today, we can't find good music as part of our everyday lives and have to dig deep UNDERGROUND to find good stuff. Do you think people back in the 1960s had to invest so much effort into finding good music? They had Bob Dylan, Motown, the British Invasion, and psychedelic rock aggressively marketed at them. Color me envious.

It's not so much that good music has ceased to exist as it is that people today need to work ten times harder locating it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Agree completely, which is why I could not, for now at least, be bothered trying to dig up some obscure artist (who may not even be all that great, who could tell?) when I have so many classic sixties and seventies stuff (which is generally easier to find out about than the indie rock) to go through.

Well, it's nice to see someone else starting this thread for a change, I think people got tired of me bringing this hairy topic again and again.

[Royal]

Confucius he say, %90 of everything is crap.

It was Sturgeon.

[Grant]

I must confess that today, we can't find good music as part of our everyday lives and have to dig deep UNDERGROUND to find good stuff. Do you think people back in the 1960s had to invest so much effort into finding good music? They had Bob Dylan, Motown, the British Invasion, and psychedelic rock aggressively marketed at them. Color me envious.

It's not so much that good music has ceased to exist as it is that people today need to work ten times harder locating it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Not really. I'm sure people had to invest a lot more time to find out about good bands back then. Only advantage they had was free form FM radio where DJs didn't have a set playlist.

I hear about bands all the time online. I can even sample music at iTunes, CDNow and Amazon. There's also internet radio that doesn't have to have a mandatory playlist. And if you are technology impaired you can listen to CDs at most music stores. Tower and Virgin Megastore has a ton of these.

Or you can go to shows. I see local bands all the time.

Actually I enjoy discovering bands. It's lot more fun then waiting for the radio to play something I like.

[Shellhead]

I think that it's bizarre that people complain about CD prices, using that as a justification to download music for free, but are perfectly willing to spend $50 or more on a concert ticket.

[Punchy]

I think that it's bizarre that people complain about CD prices, using that as a justification to download music for free, but are perfectly willing to spend $50 or more on a concert ticket.

Also CD prices have barely changed in the past fifteen years while movie prices have more than doubled.

And there are some crappy movies out there too!

[i_mmmchocolate]

It's all about the benjamins.

[leonaozaki]

I must confess that today, we can't find good music as part of our everyday lives and have to dig deep UNDERGROUND to find good stuff. Do you think people back in the 1960s had to invest so much effort into finding good music? They had Bob Dylan, Motown, the British Invasion, and psychedelic rock aggressively marketed at them. Color me envious.

It's not so much that good music has ceased to exist as it is that people today need to work ten times harder locating it.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I don't think you have to dig that deep underground to find good music but I think the kicker in that sentence is what you define as "good music."

Let's take Franz Ferdinand. I read about them in Mojo, became interested, happened to turn on Fuse one day when they were doing one of their 'Rock' countdown shows, and heard 'Take Me Out.' That song rattled around in my head for a while and then the same thing happened with Modest Mouse and 'Float On.'

Then one day on Amazon I saw a deal to get both records together for a big discount and wham! Two of my favorite records from 2004.

And they're not underground. FF is on an indie label, sure, but it sold a million copies or something and they got major press in RS and Spin. Modest Mouse is on a major label. There's lots of great music out there...but it might not be on Clear Channel. But then again it might; I have heard the White Stripes on CC stations.

Moreover, even if the music is harder to find that's not the fault of the musicians; that's the fault of the music business.

rob

[Xombie]

So why did you specify "all hard rock", then? Every band I listed has guitar solos, and they're hardly the only ones.

Because I mispoke and was refering more to music that is considered popular by the masses.

[StoneGold]

Also CD prices have barely changed in the past fifteen years while movie prices have more than doubled.

And there are some crappy movies out there too!
From a consumer side aspect though, whereas the technology to show movies has grown more expensive over the past 15 years, with digital projectors, new sound systems and such, the price to produce CD media has decreased.

[howyadoin]

It's not so much that good music has ceased to exist as it is that people today need to work ten times harder locating it.Newsflash: looking for music is fun. Haven't you ever dug through the cutout bins in a record store?

You wanna find some new music? Try lookin' here (http://music.download.com), for starters.

[Sanagi]

It was Sturgeon.
I always get those two mixed up.

But, as Descartes said, I am what I am.

[d00m]

I always get those two mixed up.

But, as Descartes said, I am what I am.

wasn't that popeye? ;)

[Buried Alien]

Newsflash: looking for music is fun.

Not all the time, though. Sometimes, it's nice being part of a phenomenon that is sweeping your entire generation. It gives you a good cultural touchstone that you can share with others of your time across the world (or at least, the West).

Imagine being a young person in the mid-1960s. You dig the Beatles and Bob Dylan. Chances are, any person you meet anywhere in the free world is also familiar with and interested in the Beatles or Dylan. This means you can strike up a conversation with almost anyone, anywhere about them and they'll know what you're talking about and probably share your enthusiasm. You'll find lots of common ground whether you're in a classroom, an office, a restaurant, or a subway.

The way it is these days, you can still find good music...but you'll be lucky if there are 4,000 other people on the planet who know about any particular act you get interested in. The chances of running into others outside of the Web who share a passion for these particular acts is slim. Now this doesn't make the music less enjoyable, but it does take away from the sense of global community that pop music once represented a generation or two ago. I find the loss of this global pop community regrettable. It's fine for me to enjoy my obscure performer in the privacy of my own room, but it's many times better if hundreds of millions of other people share my enthusiasm and we can share some kind of kindred experience through music we all recognize and appreciate. It's a shame that for the most part, music fans today can't experience that.



Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[howyadoin]

Not all the time, though.Would I sound like a dick if I said it sounds like your main problem here is that you're lazy?
Sometimes, it's nice being part of a phenomenon that is sweeping your entire generation.Like it did little more than a decade ago?
The way it is these days, you can still find good music...but you'll be lucky if there are 4,000 other people on the planet who know about any particular act you get interested in.I've gotta disagree with that, at least on a personal level. I go to tons of live shows, and I constantly meet people and talk to them about music. Common ground's not that hard to find if you talk to someone for a few minutes.

Case in point: Saturday night at the bar, I was talking to this guy from Scotland. He's a serious metalhead, and for the most part all he likes is Swedish death metal. But we shot the shit for a few minutes, and realized we both love the Dropkick Murphys and the Pogues. He recommended some bands to me, and I did likewise.

Easy.The chances of running into others outside of the Web who share a passion for these particular acts is slim.Well, so what? Is talking to people online somehow not as valid as talking to them face to face? In some ways I think it's better - you can't always give somebody a link to a website or e-mail them an MP3 when you're talking face to face, the way I gave you that link earlier.

[Grant]

Not all the time, though. Sometimes, it's nice being part of a phenomenon that is sweeping your entire generation. It gives you a good cultural touchstone that you can share with others of your time across the world (or at leastMOK`Pine being a young person in the mid-1960s. You dig the Beatles and Bob Dylan. Chances are, any person you meet anywhere in the free world is also familiar with and interested in the Beatles or Dylan. This means you can strike up a conversation with almost anyone, anywhere about them and they'll know what you're talking about and probably share your enthusiasm. You'll find lots of common ground whether you're in a classroom, an office, a restaurant, or a subway.

The way it is these days, you can still find good music...but you'll be lucky if there are 4,000 other people on the planet who know about any particular act you get interested in. The chances of running into others outside of the Web who share a passion for these particular acts is slim. Now this doesn't make the music less enjoyable, but it does take away from the sense of global community that pop music once represented a generation or two ago. I find the loss of this global pop community regrettable. It's fine for me to enjoy my obscure performer in the privacy of my own room, but it's many times better if hundreds of millions of other people share my enthusiasm and we can share some kind of kindred experience through music we all recognize and appreciate. It's a shame that for the most part, music fans today can't experience that.

Actually I find just the opposite. There's so much music out there that I enjoy I can find common ground with pretty much anyone. Whether it be rap, rock or country. And if I can't there's other kindred experiences other then music.

[Buried Alien]

Would I sound like a dick if I said it sounds like your main problem here is that you're lazy?

Yeah, it would, because it isn't true.

And to risk going off-topic for a moment, it would be really, really, I mean REALLY nice if just for once, we could get through one of these threads without the snark. We've got the Community and Rumbles Forums for polemics and fights. The Music Forum is one of the places we're actually supposed to *relax*. Why does it seem like half of our threads turn into verbal duels about three posts in?

In any case, back on topic.

Here's a typical scenario, 1955-1985 (estimating that later date there):

Guy A: Hey, did you see Band ABC on TV/hear Band ABC on the radio?

Guy B: Oh, yeah, man. It's all over the place! Their album is selling out around the country, man!

Guy A: Can't wait until their tour stops by town.

Guy B: Well, shouldn't be long. I expect them to stop by this summer.

Here's a typical scenario 2005:

Guy A: Hey, there's this Band DEF I discovered at my local indie record shop.

Guy B: Uh, who are they?

Guy A: You've never heard of Band DEF?

Guy B: Uh, no. Should I have?

Guy A: ....

Guy B: What's their music sound like?

*Guy A plays some of Band DEF's music for Guy B*

Guy B: That's pretty cool. I like that. When are they coming to town?

Guy A: Um, we're out of luck. They're from another part of the country and they don't play national tours.

Guy B: Oh. Well, that sucks.

I kind of prefer Scenario 1955-1985 to Scenario 2005.


Like it did little more than a decade ago?

A decade is a *looong* time to go dry between pop phenomena with both widespread fan appeal *and* critical acclaim, as well as long-term influence.


I've gotta disagree with that, at least on a personal level. I go to tons of live shows, and I constantly meet people and talk to them about music. Common ground's not that hard to find if you talk to someone for a few minutes.

Case in point: Saturday night at the bar, I was talking to this guy from Scotland. He's a serious metalhead, and for the most part all he likes is Swedish death metal. But we shot the shit for a few minutes, and realized we both love the Dropkick Murphys and the Pogues. He recommended some bands to me, and I did likewise.

Maybe it's the difference between the styles of music we like, but it's *hard* to find new bands playing old-school British Invasion style rock 'n roll these days, you know? And I don't mean nostalgia cover bands either.

Easy.Well, so what? Is talking to people online somehow not as valid as talking to them face to face? In some ways I think it's better - you can't always give somebody a link to a website or e-mail them an MP3 when you're talking face to face, the way I gave you that link earlier.

Yeah, but don't you miss the experience of just happening to be somewhere, mentioning a song lyric out of the blue because it fits the situation you happen to be in, and have others smile and nod in recognition of your meaning? That's becoming an increasingly rare experience.


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[howyadoin]

Yeah, it would, because it isn't true.

And to risk going off-topic for a moment, it would be really, really, I mean REALLY nice if just for once, we could get through one of these threads without the snark. We've got the Community and Rumbles Forums for polemics and fights. The Music Forum is one of the places we're actually supposed to *relax*. Why does it seem like half of our threads turn into verbal duels about three posts in?Well to be honest, it's fairly common for you to mention a problem and have others chime in with a solution, only for you to ignore it. You tend to talk at people more than you talk to them. After awhile it gets kinda frustrating being the guy on the other end.

[howyadoin]

Maybe it's the difference between the styles of music we like, but it's *hard* to find new bands playing old-school British Invasion style rock 'n roll these days, you know? And I don't mean nostalgia cover bands either.Ever listen to Matthew Sweet? Urge Overkill? Tal Bachmann? Hot Hot Heat? The New Pornographers?

[Buried Alien]

Ever listen to Matthew Sweet? Urge Overkill? Tal Bachmann? Hot Hot Heat?

I've heard a little of Matthew Sweet. Heard *of* Urge Overkill (but nothing by them), and never heard of Bachman or HHH at all.

Let's start with Matthew Sweet, since he's the only one on the list whose work I've ever heard. I've read that he comes from the British Invasion/80s power pop tradition that I'm fond of. In the mid-90s, I saw a video for one of his more popular songs (don't remember the name of it). While the video was fairly interesting (I just remember he was inexplicably barefoot for a few seconds in one scene), I couldn't get the melody to stay in my head for more than a minute after the song stopped playing. That's a bad sign for me. For all the 1960s British Invasion and early 1980s power pop (i.e. the Knack, the Romantics, etc.) that I like, the melodies catch me in less than five seconds and stay with me a lifetime. I just can't find that very often in post-1989 rock (except for grunge, which I like melodically if not always lyrically).


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Grant]

Ever listen to Matthew Sweet? Urge Overkill? Tal Bachmann? Hot Hot Heat? The New Pornographers?

...Apples in Stereo, Brian Jonestown Masscacre, Olivia Tremor Control, Belle & Sebastian, Supergrass...

[Alex]

*Guy A plays some of Band DEF's music for Guy B*

Guy B: That's pretty cool. I like that. When are they coming to town?

Guy A: Um, we're out of luck. They're from another part of the country and they don't play national tours.

Guy B: Oh. Well, that sucks.

I kind of prefer Scenario 1955-1985 to Scenario 2005.


[/COLOR]
Problem with that scenario is, look at album sales and ticket sales to concerts. The majority of people are buying the same albums, hearing the same songs on the radio, and going to the same concerts, the vast majority in fact, most people still have your first discussion. MOST PEOPLE.
I can still have that conversation, and im not to hyped up about todays pop music, but i hear it all the time.
You know there were people in the 60s, and there were definetly people in the 70's and 80's, who had the discussion you outlined there.

[Punchy]

the price to produce CD media has decreased.

But the price to record and market it has increased.

Product manufacturing is a very small part of CD cost.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

There's plenty of great non-underground hip-hop. Plently of great mainstream hip-hop. It's just sharing the spotlight with crunk and G-Unit too much.

And heck, a few members of G-Unit are pretty good, too. They may not have the most diverse subject matter, but Lloyd Banks and Young Buck both put out pretty hot albums.

[leonaozaki]

I've heard a little of Matthew Sweet. Heard *of* Urge Overkill (but nothing by them), and never heard of Bachman or HHH at all.

Let's start with Matthew Sweet, since he's the only one on the list whose work I've ever heard. I've read that he comes from the British Invasion/80s power pop tradition that I'm fond of. In the mid-90s, I saw a video for one of his more popular songs (don't remember the name of it). While the video was fairly interesting (I just remember he was inexplicably barefoot for a few seconds in one scene), I couldn't get the melody to stay in my head for more than a minute after the song stopped playing. That's a bad sign for me. For all the 1960s British Invasion and early 1980s power pop (i.e. the Knack, the Romantics, etc.) that I like, the melodies catch me in less than five seconds and stay with me a lifetime. I just can't find that very often in post-1989 rock (except for grunge, which I like melodically if not always lyrically).


Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)


Just download the song "Girlfriend." That song's got a whopper of a hook.

rob

[The Defenestrator]

Just download the song "Girlfriend." That song's got a whopper of a hook.

"Sick Of Myself" is a favorite of mine.

[elheffe]

Not much more I can add to this thread other than I agree with Grant when he says:
I love these bullshit generalization threads.

And that I disagree with BA on this:
It's not so much that good music has ceased to exist as it is that people today need to work ten times harder locating it.


Disagree with this:
I know it sucks that to get good music you actually have to search underground and all the popular stuff is just crappy. It seems like many artist are just getting lazy.

Agree with this:
Actually I enjoy discovering bands. It's lot more fun then waiting for the radio to play something I like.

Agree and like the link:
Newsflash: looking for music is fun. Haven't you ever dug through the cutout bins in a record store?

You wanna find some new music? Try lookin' here (http://music.download.com), for starters.

And out of context, this is hilarious:
Bullshit my ass.

[Bakema NL]

It seems to me like all Hard Rock music has devevolved into purely power chords. Which is fine and all for a rythm but what happened to solo's?

People like Malmsteen and Steve Vai are tearing it up hardcord but most other bands don't solo at all.

The same goes for rap. It used to be a socioeconomic statement African Americans used to portray there living situation.

Now it has become pure bullshit about look how rich I am and how many chicks I can screw.

Its funny one of the few Rap artist who still does this is white.

Tip.....the new Arch enemy album Doomsday machine, solo's flying everywhere and brutal power stuff to boot.....and of course Angela Gossow...gonna see them in a couple of weeks.

But you're right, since grunge came along the solo has been in a downward spiral......but, it's on the rise again now, bands are "allowed" to do them these days. I used to love solos, still do of course, but I can definitely live without them too......most of the stuff I listen to nowadays don't have (a lot of) solos.
There's still damn good music to be found, just don't look for it on the radio and certainly not on so-called music television stations......does mtv even play music anymore??? .......that's all crap.

[Hiromi]

I could live without the existance of Emo frankly, but then most of the older artists i love are still putting out new stuff so I don't mind. Maiden, Priest, Plant, Dickinson, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, etc

[Adam Crocker]

Just download the song "Girlfriend." That song's got a whopper of a hook.

Haven't had a chance to get acquainted with any of Sweet's other work, but I can definitely back Rob up on this song. It's a fantastic slice of nervy power-pop.

[Hiromi]

Saliva is another modern band that uses guitar solos in a good number of their songs.

[CitizenKing]

I'm surprised The Hold Steady haven't come up in this thread! I just got their new album "Seperation Sunday" after a long time trying to decide whether or not to. At first I had to get over the vocals but once you hear more of the music it's great classic flavored rock.

[Ayo]

There's nothing wrong with music today. Anybody who thinks that there is is clearly listening to commercial radio (tisk tisk).


No offense, but if you can find two or three bands that you love, you're supposed to be good to go. I think that here in the modern era, we have a problem with accquisition; we want to accquire new stuff all the time. I should know. I'm the worst there is. But we're always on the look out for something new and different.

One of the downsides to having so many options is the inclination to want to try them all. This is fun, but man, does a person ever pile up a lot of stuff doing that!

[howyadoin]

Haven't had a chance to get acquainted with any of Sweet's other work, but I can definitely back Rob up on this song. It's a fantastic slice of nervy power-pop.Check out "I've Been Waiting" from the same album. I think it's even better.

[ultramandingo]

kids theses days.... with you "ipods" and "down loads" .when i was a wee lad we had your "big blacks" , your" naked rayguns" , your "dinosaur jr.s, your "hoosker doos", your "birthday parties" , your "tom waits" your" mission of burmas " and your" napalm deaths" we didnt need any fancy "alternative" rockapaloosas or nuthin

[Spike-X]

From a consumer side aspect though, whereas the technology to show movies has grown more expensive over the past 15 years, with digital projectors, new sound systems and such, the price to produce CD media has decreased.
Then of course CDs should be cheaper. After all, everybody knows the music on the disc just appears out of thin air.

[Spike-X]

Check out "I've Been Waiting" from the same album. I think it's even better.
Hell, just get the whole Girlfriend album. It's still fantastic, nearly fifteen years on.

[Spike-X]

90% of music you hear if you turn on the radio or tv.
You're expecting to hear good music on TV or commercial radio?

That's funny.

[The Mirrorball Man]

You're expecting to hear good music on TV or commercial radio?

That's funny.
Hey, whatever happens, you will eventually hear good music on TV or commercial radio. If 90% of the music you hear is shit, it means that 10% is good, or at least average, which, in my opinion, is pretty reassuring on the whole. It's even better when you realize that my 10% won't be the same as your 10%, which means that the ratio might actually be closer to 20%.

Of course, radio programming is just that: programming. Most music you hear on the radio is specifically targeted at people who don't like music. Pretending that everything on the radio is shit, is however preposterous.

[Alex]

You're expecting to hear good music on TV or commercial radio?

That's funny.
You actually can on occasion.
Some of the shows that appeal to the teen crowd, like The OC, or Smallville, have some great songs that you don't hear on regular radio. I can't actually speak for the OC personaly, as ive never seen it,, and am just going by cds ive seen labeled "Songs from The OC".

[Ayo]

Then of course CDs should be cheaper. After all, everybody knows the music on the disc just appears out of thin air.

Your point taken, CDs are still overpriced. The fact that I can buy them for cheap (new, not used) is proof that most of the market is gouging the consumer.

[Patient Boy]

You actually can on occasion.
Some of the shows that appeal to the teen crowd, like The OC, or Smallville, have some great songs that you don't hear on regular radio. I can't actually speak for the OC personaly, as ive never seen it,, and am just going by cds ive seen labeled "Songs from The OC".

The OC is bloody brilliant. Not the actual plots or whatever, but I'm convinced that the soap opera elements are just distractions for the writers to introduce comics and music to the viewers.

[Alex]

The OC is bloody brilliant. Not the actual plots or whatever, but I'm convinced that the soap opera elements are just distractions for the writers to introduce comics and music to the viewers.
The music is actually making me want to watch the show.
Of course, a few of those "Spin swears to god they are the best band ever this month" bands are on there, but even those guys provide some variety.

[Patient Boy]

The music is actually making me want to watch the show.
Of course, a few of those "Spin swears to god they are the best band ever this month" bands are on there, but even those guys provide some variety.

It's not great television, but it's pretty funny at times.

[howyadoin]

Most music you hear on the radio is specifically targeted at people who don't like music.On the surface that sounds like a joke, but it's really not.

Except in the sense that radio is a joke, of course.

[The Mirrorball Man]

On the surface that sounds like a joke, but it's really not.

Of course it's not a joke. I work in a radio station. I listen to that kind of music all day long.

[Ayo]

The OC is bloody brilliant. Not the actual plots or whatever, but I'm convinced that the soap opera elements are just distractions for the writers to introduce comics and music to the viewers.

They have comics on this...this OC?