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nightwingfan

05-18-2004, 06:11 AM

I love zombie flicks. and this book really is the best one I have seen. I love how it is in black and white. and it does not pull punches. the human element is there as well as the horror. I rave about this book to all my friends and debate those who don't like it.

DonC

05-22-2004, 10:48 PM

Maybe it was just that all the hype made my expectations over-inflated, but I wasn't really impressed with Vol. 1. It wasn't bad, mind you, it just moved very slow for my tastes; I didn't finish it then have an immediate desire to go pick up issue 7.

And I felt the artwork was poorly done. The zombies looked cool, but the humans looked rather generic. Sometimes I couldn't tell Rick and Shane apart.

heavysoul

05-23-2004, 10:50 AM

And I felt the artwork was poorly done. The zombies looked cool, but the humans looked rather generic. Sometimes I couldn't tell Rick and Shane apart. after reading this i had to go back to the tpb to make sure i bought the same book you did. we must have different series with the same name because in my tpb of the walking dead tony moore's art rocks. he goes as far as to create characters of different ethnicity. i've seen many films that star 2 leading actors who look similar though they're playing different characters, i think sometimes it's the intent of the director... i wouldn't necessarily call it bad casting and i feel the same way about the shane/rick scenario. that's just my opinion though and you're (of course) entitled to yours.

Shawn Hoke

05-25-2004, 09:55 AM

I picked up the trade of this last week. Less than ten dollars, are you kidding!

This is a great book with a character driven storyline that had me on the edge of my seat at times. I can't wait to read some more! I normally buy trades, but I might sneak out to the store and buy issue number 7. :evilsmile

Where DonC thought it moved too slow, I thought it moved just right. The action wasn't forced and when an attack happened (at the camp, esp.) it took me by surprise. Different strokes though... :)

DonC

05-26-2004, 08:47 PM

Where DonC thought it moved too slow, I thought it moved just right. The action wasn't forced and when an attack happened (at the camp, esp.) it took me by surprise. Different strokes though... :)

Like I said, all the hype about how good the book was gave me inflated expectations, but I think I figured out exactly what I didn't like. Every zombie movie I've ever seen has been an action movie. The Walking Dead isn't an action comic, though. In fact, I can only think of two extended action sequences in the first trade paperback- the trip to Atlanta to get guns and the attack on the camp. I think, on second reading, I might like it better.

I still think the story moved too slowly. I felt the event on the last pages of Volume 1 was telegraphed way in advance. From the first time the reason that event happened, in fact. Not forshadowed, telegraphed. While Kirkman did it differently than I expected, it still got to the point where I was saying to myself, "Just get it over with. Everyone knows it's going to happen. Do it and let's move on already."

Shawn Hoke

05-27-2004, 01:01 PM

Like I said, all the hype about how good the book was gave me inflated expectations, but I think I figured out exactly what I didn't like. Every zombie movie I've ever seen has been an action movie. The Walking Dead isn't an action comic, though. In fact, I can only think of two extended action sequences in the first trade paperback- the trip to Atlanta to get guns and the attack on the camp. I think, on second reading, I might like it better.

I still think the story moved too slowly. I felt the event on the last pages of Volume 1 was telegraphed way in advance. From the first time the reason that event happened, in fact. Not forshadowed, telegraphed. While Kirkman did it differently than I expected, it still got to the point where I was saying to myself, "Just get it over with. Everyone knows it's going to happen. Do it and let's move on already."

Good point on that last one. That was a bit heavy handed, you knew that the clash would come. Maybe too much time was spent on setting that up, or it could have been simply forshadowed rather than, as you say, telegraphed.

That atack on the camp was pretty unexpected though. ;)

meethraa

06-07-2004, 10:19 AM

I just read Volume one. Great stuff!
To tell the truth I mostly bought it because it wasn't expensive at all and a lot of people with simillar tastes to my own seemed to like it, but deep inside I wasn't expecting to enjoy this a whole lot. And man was I wrong!

Despite feeling a lot like 28 Days Later there is definitelly a solid foundation here for great things and I get the feeling we won't be seeing a whole lot of plot twist and turns, and in this case that's a good thing.

Let's just hope they keeping releasing trades on a steady rate.

Johnny Morningstar

06-30-2004, 05:33 AM

I picked up the first TPB as recommended by my comic store owner. I'm not into zombie movies or anything, but I did like the two Brit one-shots by Robert Kirman and Tony Moore.

What a creepy read. I really enjoyed reading the first volume and hopefully it'll stay above water so there will be more TPB's in the future. I particularly liked how the zombies were not explained in the first issue (actually in none of the issues in the first trade) leaving a mystery hanging. It's pretty low-key and shocking at the same time.

Anybody else reading or just read the first TPB.

Please, no spoilers.

Bolo Musashi

06-30-2004, 07:51 PM

I managed to pick up a copy of the TPB as well. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to read yet.

noodleboy

07-01-2004, 07:16 AM

I just read the trade last night, my buddy recommended it to me. I thought it was awesome!! I was heading into it thinking it would be a 28 Days Later type of thing, especially after he wakes up in the hospital, but it has turned out to be a whole lot better than I expected. With so many moral dilemnas creeping up, you almost forget about the Zombies. Good characters that you could actually care about, now I have to find the back issues for 7 to current.

devo0220

07-02-2004, 12:08 AM

It's only up to 8, so you're not missing much. Yet. The art's changed since the first arc. I didn't care for the new style as much, but it's still a great read. I highly recommend it. If you're a trade kind of person, you're probably safe waiting for the next one, because it's selling well. But if you like singles, you'd better start hunting, because the early issues are selling out fast. And pricey.

nHammer

07-03-2004, 05:52 AM

The tpb was the starting point for me. I liked it. I'll be getting it in individual issues from now on.

Oh!

07-04-2004, 03:23 AM

Same for me: I had heard tons of good things about The Walking Dead and had been hearing about Robert Kirkman ever since he was doing Battle Pope, but I had never actually gotten around to buying an issue of this series. Until, that is, the Trade Paperback.

Finally got it this week, read it this morning and was blown away by it. I really couldn't wait to read more about these characters, on the run in a world filled with nasty undead things... and that's something that hasn't happened to me for a while in today's comic book market.

Mick Martin

07-04-2004, 06:24 PM

Surprisingly, I hadn't heard anything about the Walking Dead before I picked up the first tpb, but I'm a fan of Kirkman's other stuff.

I used it for my first review at Comic Book Galaxy. You can read it here (http://www.comicbookgalaxy.com/060704mmreview.html).

ZombieHavoc

07-05-2004, 03:07 PM

i cant understand why anyone would buy the single issues, because th trade was 6 for only 9.95. if they continue that pricing structure i will definitely buy every trade that comes out.

bring back battlepope.

Kevin

07-05-2004, 05:23 PM

They won't be continuing that pricing structure. The first trade was the price to get people addicted, which it seems to have done. And with the single issues, we get Tony's amazing covers.

ZombieHavoc

07-05-2004, 08:07 PM

so they're like the crack dealers that give you the first hit for free and then up it to $20 a pop, eh? i've had my problems with those guys in the past.

i'm sure i'll buy the rest of the trades, even if i am being treated like a corner slut.

although i do question kirkman's claim that this is the zombie movie that never ends. he made similar promises about a grand finite battlepope story. i just miss the pope.

K'Nort

07-06-2004, 07:46 AM

I've been buying the issues from the beginnng. Don't remember what provoked it since I don't usually like zombies, but anything this well-written is worth reading and b&w has never bothered me. Tempted to pick up the first trade just to loan out and get others hooked.

Johnny Morningstar

07-06-2004, 08:27 AM

he made similar promises about a grand finite battlepope story.

Well, like any indie/small press/non-cape, it's ongoing until the money goes away. I sympathize.

Tynne

07-06-2004, 09:09 AM

The Walking Dead trade was one of the flat-out best comics I've read in a long time. And at the value you get for the money you pay it's really a steal!

Kevin

07-07-2004, 01:34 AM

Someday, my freind, we will see Son of Battlepope. Someday.

And at least we have the Battlepope we got. I want my SCIENCE DOG!!!! Science Dog was taken from us before it even got started.

And it won't be up to 20 bucks, probably like 14-15. Whatever the standard price is. If you bought the single issues, you would know these things.

Apathy Boy

07-12-2004, 11:27 PM

Just finished the trade and I gotta say ... damn. I really DIDN'T need another title to pick up. Damn you, Kirkman! Damn you all the way to heck!

Oh, and one minor quibble: I'm disappointed that the covers weren't included in the trade. I like knowing where my chapter breaks are, damnit! Am I the only person anal enough to count the pages to find a good place to stop reading?

noodleboy

07-15-2004, 05:44 AM

I was so hooked I had to read it in one sitting, but otherwise, no I just stop and place a bookmark with most books (not comics).

Petertime

07-23-2004, 03:01 PM

the secret is to not stop reading...

I've been blown away by this series, lent it out to more people then I have ever lent a comic to and I've reread every issue more often than anything in years.

As for the trades, I like no covers in the trades. Means those supporting the monthly version get a bit of a reward.

And I have to say I am amazed at how many people in the letters page (Thank you for having a letters page Mr. Kirkman) are saying "I would have bought this regardless 'cause it has zombies in it, but it's good anyway".

I'm the complete opposite. I have very little interest in zombies. Nor do most of the people I have lent the comics too, yet every one of them has said how amazing they think it is. Every single one.

and as for Kirkmanmania:
Mr. Kirkman, you and Mr. Bendis have got to leave some comics for others to write.

GreenHornet

07-24-2004, 10:56 AM

Hell I have tried 4 stores in my area and I can't find a single copy???
I have to Ebay for the back issues and I can't find the TPB. Is it THAT GOOD???

mgs

07-24-2004, 10:58 AM

Hell I have tried 4 stores in my area and I can't find a single copy???
I have to Ebay for the back issues and I can't find the TPB. Is it THAT GOOD???
yes. yes it is.

ZombieHavoc

07-25-2004, 12:10 PM

i bought the trade, and then went and bought 7 and 8. have any issues come out since? thanks.

The Adventurer

07-25-2004, 12:25 PM

Currently on #8, #9 was at San Deigo Comic Con, and will be in stores this wendsday.

mgs

07-28-2004, 08:20 PM

Currently on #8, #9 was at San Deigo Comic Con, and will be in stores this wendsday.
which, of course, was amazing.

Just ignore the art on the first few pages as it is not the best, but by then, it all clears up and the story is so engrossing anyways, it should not matter. ;)

K'Nort

07-28-2004, 09:51 PM

I've adjusted to the new art really quickly. It was interesting reading all the complaints in the letters column to #9. Hopefully they're not discouraged by the feedback.

The death in #9 was telegraphed in advance pretty blatantly. The first main death at least; I don't know whether the second thing at the end is a real death, assuming it's not. But for the big cliffhanger at the end, it would have been more dramatic if he didn't look like some sort of Canadian Mountie Pinocchio in the process and I think the reaction was unrealistic in terms of not just killing the guy right away instead of yelling at him. And it was really really frustrating to have that followed by ten pages of ads and letters instead of more story. Still love this book though.

Yeti-Man

07-31-2004, 12:41 PM

I agree somewhat that the early death in #9 was a bit expected, however the feeling I got going into #9 was that many more would not make it to the end of the issue. I think because of that the ending totally sucker punched me.

I saw the first issue of this but at the time I was nto collecting any comics, had not bought a single one in almost ten years. I picked it up thought hey wow a zombie comic, well done zombie stories bring a big draw for me, saw the opening coma and thought: What are they thinking, people are going to say it is a 28 days later rip off. So I put it back thining if they care that little about the story, why bother. Then a friend of mine said how good it was I bought the TPB and issues 7 & 8 and I'm hooked. Now I'm buying Remains too, but that one looks like it could get goofy.

OZZ

08-02-2004, 09:41 AM

A friend urged me to try out this book and lent me the TPB.

It's now on my monthly pull list and have gotten issues 7-9.

I love it. I can't get enough and my wife is right there reading with me.

Awesome...AWESOME book!

newscott

08-02-2004, 11:06 AM

I bought the TPB at the suggestion of my local shop guy (they're really good about knowing what I'd like), and did, infact really like it.

My copy has oft been lent out, and I'm awaiting the release of the second tpb.

TheRealJon

08-02-2004, 02:20 PM

Heres my thoughts on issue #9 ... lost potential.

The beginning was way too rushed. You saw the "ALL DEAD NO ENTER" sign at the end of #8 and my mind started churning as to what they could do with that. It could have easily been a two issue arc of them splitting up to check houses while slowely being surrounded and then figuring out how to get everyone out alive. Instead we got one quick death (who I was more than happy to see go) and then they just plow through the zombies and head out. It just seemed way too rushed for me, especially with the huge cliffhanger of last month.

So then we see Carl get shot. I doubt he's dead but I also wouldn't put it past Kirkman to kill him. Though in all honesty I dont see Rick killing the guy right off the bat, mainly because he has been built up to be a sympathetic guy. He wanted to reason with Chip, he didn't just come out and fire on him. I think even though the guy shot his son, he's still too afraid to fire the gun on living flesh. Maybe thtas just my reading into it but eh.

Also I hate to say it but I am losing track of who the characters are with Tony gone. Tony had such a finesse for making everyone clear with their own personalities. The new artist is nice, but hes not Tony. I'm glad to see we are finding more people while roaming the country though.

josh straightedge

08-04-2004, 04:48 AM

Ya I just bought the trade too and it's pretty good. I liked Brit a lot so it kinda got me to buy this, plus the price can't be passed.

I haven't read anything past the trade yet but I do want to.

Jack Flash

08-05-2004, 06:02 PM

i've lent out the tpb to three people so far. I am really digging the book, can't wait till the next ish comes out.

peterkent

08-07-2004, 05:43 PM

although i do question kirkman's claim that this is the zombie movie that never ends. he made similar promises about a grand finite battlepope story. i just miss the pope.

Damn, I miss the pope too. :( and his little buddy christ ;)

Hohlraum

08-18-2004, 02:23 PM

When does issue #10 come out? Christ, I wish these companies would just get a clue and give exact dates once in a while. (please post a link to image's website and prove me wrong hehe)

Kevin

08-19-2004, 11:30 AM

It is Image, so even the most punctual books are about two weeks late.

Hohlraum

08-19-2004, 02:13 PM

According to all the sites i've seen.. #12 is due in sept. umm. they haven't even released 10 or 11 yet! :)

CurryStick

08-19-2004, 04:29 PM

jambalaya

08-21-2004, 08:24 PM

you know what? being poor SUCKS!!! i have only read a few issues, only own one issue myself, and can't find the tpb. stupid small town comic book stores. stupid pooritude. what has been happening so far? i got to the part where they all meet up in the woods.

Grant

08-21-2004, 10:35 PM

You should try bookstores. Or go to Amazon they have it there.

Apathy Boy

08-23-2004, 10:41 PM

yeah, the book is pretty delayed at the moment. But I don't mind, its the best thing on the stands.

EDIT: Ok, the current release date for Walking Dead #10 has been changed from 07/21/04 to 09/01/04.

Grrrr. After the cliffhanger in issue 9, this is a REAL bad time for a delay.

Minor spoilers

If things don't turn out all right in issue 10, I'm going to be filled with nigh-homicidal rage! I know this is not a feel-good series, but what happened at the end of issue 9 was a little too much gloom 'n' doom. As much as I like this comic, I might have to stop reading it.

CurryStick

08-24-2004, 05:23 AM

That's you choice Apathy Boy, but personally I'm going to stick with this book until the end. In my opinion it is the BEST BOOK on the market right now, right in front of Y Last Man, that's how much I love it.

CoreyB

08-27-2004, 02:22 PM

I'm definitely sticking with this series for the forseable future. It's an excellent character study.

SPOILERS for #9:

I can see the point about the beginning being rushed. I thought this story arc was going to be in this little community, too. (The ending of #8 was excellent.)

I was actually surprised by the first death of #9. She was going on about everything getting better and being happy, so I expected everything to go horribly wrong and then her to get more depressed then ever or to snap, not just end up dead.

It was kind of funny how, at the end, the main character was saying how he wasn't sure if the guy who lost his wife would hurt anyone, and then he loses his son and flips out. Little bit o' irony there. I don't think his son is dead, though. Looks like he took a shot through the shoulder. If they take care of him quick, he might end up okay. Kids are surprisingly resilient. Plus, I always got the impression that we would see the kid grow up.

I have a question - is this series supposed to be in approximate real time?

Hohlraum

08-27-2004, 05:41 PM

SPOILERS

Maybe the kid got hit with an air rifle ;) Personally I think Glenn (if thats his name, the pizza delivery kid) will be the next one to snap. Gotta love that part were the dad breaks in on his daughter's boyfriend is pulling her shirt off. HEHE. I will say that I like the artwork a lot better from the first 6 issues. Lot less shading and a lot more black fill in 7-9.

CoreyB

08-29-2004, 10:43 PM

I kept forgetting to reply to this post until just now.

Oh, and one minor quibble: I'm disappointed that the covers weren't included in the trade. I like knowing where my chapter breaks are, damnit! Am I the only person anal enough to count the pages to find a good place to stop reading?

You are not alone! I do the exact same thing.

Not necessarily to find a good place to stop reading, but I do count the pages to see where the issue breaks were.

Apathy Boy

08-30-2004, 10:03 PM

Woo hoo! I'm not the only one!

The first trade reads pretty well as a single story. The thing is, this wasn't a single story, and knowing where the issue breaks were changes the perception of the story. For example, I initially glossed over the scene where Rick pulls over on the side of the road and puts the zombie out of its misery. However, once I realized that was the end of issue 1, it brought a sense of closure to that mini-storyline and made it stand out as a climactic moment.

Alex

08-31-2004, 12:08 AM

I'm coming in late, but i got the first trade at SDCC and fricken loved it.
Then i ordered the second trade, and now im going to buy it monthly, love love love this book!
THE REIGN OF KMEYERS AND ALEX 04

Doug W

08-31-2004, 01:10 PM

Its going to be interesting to see how the group handles the repecussions of what happened at the end of last issue.

If Rick doesn't kill that guy then and there what will the rest of the group want to do?

If Rick does kill that guy what will the group do with him?

Do any of the other characters have it in them to stand up to Rick? They still depend on him as the leader after all...

How does justice work in a world where society has collapsed?

K'Nort

08-31-2004, 01:34 PM

Its going to be interesting to see how the group handles the repecussions of what happened at the end of last issue.

If Rick doesn't kill that guy then and there what will the rest of the group want to do?

If Rick does kill that guy what will the group do with him?

It will depend a lot on whether the guy killed... anyone.

Apathy Boy

09-05-2004, 07:22 PM

Spoilers for Issue 11:

In the back of Invincible #14, an ad for Walking Dead #11 shows everyone sleeping safe and sound. *Phew!* Looks like I no longer have to burn this series in effigy.

Then again, the ad also says issue 11 would be in stores in August, so who knows whether to believe anything else it says?

Horror Business

09-06-2004, 02:19 PM

I picked up the trade and then issue 9. The two shops near me sell out of it pretty fast so I'm going to have to start specially ordering it from the shops.

Dev Em

09-07-2004, 08:50 AM

Just discovered this book...Love it. One of the best written books I have seen in ages.

CurryStick

09-08-2004, 03:15 PM

Issue 10 was great. Not a zombie in sight either. It was pure character development, I just love Kirkman, he makes it feel so real..

Just wish they could keep it at a monthly basis...

TheRealJon

09-11-2004, 04:18 PM

You so know form looking at the cover of #11 and what went down in this issue is going to happen. From what happenned in this issue and the cover of next issue I am left to assume that Tyresse's daughter and her boyfriend are gonna sneak into the barn at night to screw, since I doubt Rick will mention the barn full of dead people to the rest of the crew. The two of them will get it, then the zombies will come attack the farm house. Kirkman hasn't killed anyone this issue and I bet he is itching to kill a lot, especially since he introduced so many people.

CoreyB

09-11-2004, 06:20 PM

That's exactly what I was thinking.

SPOILERS FOR #10:

#10 was a little bit of a dip for me, actually. I was already having a hard time keeping the supporting cast straight since most of the focus is usually on Rick with Lori, Carl, and Tyreese. Now we've got a house full of more people who I don't remember. The dialogue also felt a little stiff or unnatural at times. I think Kirkman needs to be careful with over-extending himself. (His Captain America issue's dialogue was a little weird, too.) But, you just know it's going to be a slaughterfest next issue, so that should help weed out some of the folks in the background.

mgs

09-11-2004, 08:26 PM

I was kinda happy to see new faces. I think if this is treated more like 'reality' and not like a movie, it would be reasonable and interesting to see and know about all those who survived as true humans and seeing how they cope. In this way, there is still hope.

If it's a given that most people in the world turned into zombies, then most will probably die on their own. People, on the other hand, have got to have a reasonable amount of time before they are able to create a population explosion again and take over the zombies. Remember, even in the worst of situations for some 3rd world countries, the population will and can continue to grow, even with odds, very against their survival.

onizuka

09-18-2004, 09:01 AM

Issue 10 was great. Not a zombie in sight either. It was pure character development, I just love Kirkman, he makes it feel so real..

Just wish they could keep it at a monthly basis...

i think Kirkman is definately one of the most talented writers out there at the moment. you do get a sense of realism from a story that is totally unrealistic.

kidzack22

09-22-2004, 10:19 AM

the thing i love about the series is that character development. with the way this book is going so far, i see no end in site for this series. even at issue 10 the series has a feel that its just getting started with where it can go. that says alot for kirkman considering its a zombie book.

noodleboy

09-23-2004, 04:54 AM

Well, it looks like #11 paid off. There was much dying in this issue. I think Hershel finally learned that there is no coming back when you get turned. Too bad half his family had to die in the process. The greatest part of this issue was the heavily one-sided conversation between Lori and Glenn. Glenn is my new favorite character along with Tyresse, I do hope they go back to Rick & Lori's hometown to see if the guy in the first couple of issues is still alive and ticking.

kidzack22

09-23-2004, 10:09 PM

forgot about the hometown and that guy. that would be interesting to see and im sure it will eventually come to that. this book continues to amaze me every month (or every 2 weeks). did anyone else die besides people in herschell's family?

noodleboy

09-24-2004, 04:36 AM

I'll have to check again, but the new artist draws everyone really similar. I mean look how much Glenn has de-aged thanks to the new art. I thought it was just Hershel's family, but one of the regs might have bought it as well.

Doug W

09-24-2004, 01:29 PM

So what does everyone think will happen with the two teenagers? Waht are they planing? I think they either want to strike out on their own or commit murder/suicide...

TheRealJon

09-24-2004, 11:03 PM

Maybe they want to kill Tyreese?

K'Nort

09-25-2004, 08:20 AM

They're definitely not interested in killing themselves. It's possible Chris wants to take over as official group leader but much more likely they want to comandeer the RV and take off. And by doing it as an armed coup rather than sneaking off in the middle of the night, they can round up a lot more supplies first. It's not unexpected -- has the guy ever smiled?

Still unclear on how many died at the barn and what the two were doing in the hayloft. I mean, there's an obvious guess but it doesn't entirely fit.

GreenHornet

09-25-2004, 08:52 AM

Man I can't belive how a noncolor-nonsuperhero comic has got me hooked.
The barn story was the best so far and you can see the differences in the people. I got the TPB so I was able to get caught up and you can see a little bit of all the good zombie movies in this. The G.Romero's zombies that eat everything ( the horse scene and am sure I havn't seen too many dogs + cats running around) The 28 days later coma to start things off. The Lucio Fulci totally rotten look zombies,
So are they going to just travel around and see who's left? I hope they run into a military base story were the military is trying to use the zombies some way like in ROTLD3..he he he
Well if you havn't read a Walking Dead book I hope you do because it is the best non-superhero book out there....well next to Conan

TheRealJon

09-25-2004, 04:20 PM

The preview for issue #12 has a gun to the back of Rick's head. I think you may be right in thinking that the two of them are going to try and take out Rick.

kidzack22

09-26-2004, 08:03 PM

i figured they were going to kill her dad. They talked about not wanting to be bossed around by him so maybe he talked her into just getting rid of her dad. She might end up killing him though and have second thoughts. He's kind of been a lame character.

Also, I thought the people in the loft were the people Hershel sent around back to distract the zombies while he put the other one in.

Hohlraum

09-26-2004, 08:12 PM

Christ dude, kill the dad? How about the fact that now they have guns they can sneak off, make the beast with two backs and not have to worry about being defenseless against the zombies? :)

kidzack22

09-26-2004, 08:27 PM

why not kill the dad? not make it obvious or anything...they probably still want to stick with the group so it will be safer. i dont know dude, im just throwing ideas out there. it would be crazy.

Hohlraum

09-26-2004, 08:43 PM

haha, ya I know. :D I mean, maybe the boyfriend would have the stomach for it (god know the distances a guy will go to get some, myself included), but that girl would have to be pretty f*cked up for someone to be able to convince her to kill her own father. :eek:

K'Nort

09-27-2004, 07:34 AM

It's actually not uncommon at all. Unfortunately. There was a case in the local paper last week of a girl and her boyfriend being convicted of just that. Both because he "deserved to die for imposing a curfew" and to sell his coin collection for meth. A couple months ago, it was a grandmother. Not nearly as unusual as we'd like it to be. And remember at that age there's a lot of hating your parents. But they can't kill anyone and expect to stay with the group. Unless they think they can frame someone else for it, which would be I guess a realistically stupid plan on their part.

kidzack22

10-07-2004, 09:34 PM

so does anyone know when the next issue comes out? i saw a few things that said #11 comes out 10/13, but obviously its been out. maybe it was a typo?

Apathy Boy

10-12-2004, 08:13 PM

Dunno when #12 comes out, sorry.

I thought #11 was OK. That someone might think zombieism was a disease that could be cured was a cool (an plausible) idea for a story. I'm also glad that Tyrese's daughter and her boyfriend are about to do something stupid. For some reason, I took an instant dislike to them and will look forward to seeing them run off.

I am, however, concerned about my long-term interest in this title. I'm enjoying it now, but I wonder how long I'll stay interested without an uber-plot to hold the story together. It already seems like the title's in a rut: the gang finds a place to stay, picks up more people, zombies kill someone, the gang flees, repeat.

K'Nort

10-13-2004, 08:03 AM

It already seems like the title's in a rut: the gang finds a place to stay, picks up more people, zombies kill someone, the gang flees, repeat.

It's possible that he was keeping the plot straightforward long enough to get the characters fully developed and allow a critical mass of readers to jump on, and now that we're all settled in, it will get more complex.

kidzack22

10-25-2004, 11:30 PM

CurryStick

10-26-2004, 07:15 AM

Nope, no Walking Dead this week. =/

hogman_tim

11-06-2004, 10:08 AM

This is one of the best writen and drawn books out, and it's has a good letters page, glad to see so many people jumping on this series, enjoy the ride, I know I am.

mechngnr

11-08-2004, 01:21 PM

Just wanted to stop in and say I love this title as well and hope it will be around for a very long time. :D One of the best books out there.

kidzack22

11-12-2004, 12:02 PM

issue 12 finally came out and it was well worth the wait. spoilers:

The crew was basicallly kicked out of Hershell's house after Rick asked to use the rooms of Hershell's children that were just killed. Then Hershell pulled a gun on Rick and was stopped. So they leave except for the young kid, who has found love apparently and doesn't want to leave. They spend alot of time looking for food and everyone is hungry. At the end they stumble upon what seems to be a huge abandoned prison and want to make this their new home.

Personally, I thought just reading this book again was a lot of fun since it's been over a month. The reaction on Rick's son's face at that one point looked like he was ready to save his dad again. I am a little concerned that the group just seems to find a place to stay until something goes wrong and then they move on. I just hope that trend doesn't continue over and over. Anyway, the New Comic List has #13 listed for 11/17, so if that's the case, then we won't have to wait long to find out what happens next.

K'Nort

11-12-2004, 01:22 PM

I am a little concerned that the group just seems to find a place to stay until something goes wrong and then they move on. I just hope that trend doesn't continue over and over. Anyway, the New Comic List has #13 listed for 11/17, so if that's the case, then we won't have to wait long to find out what happens next.

In the letters column, Kirkman semi-spoils by saying that he's done with them wandering and they will be at the prison for an extended period.

mgs

11-13-2004, 11:07 AM

is walking dead coming out this week? i think its been over a month and im impatient :mad: ! i know kirkman is doing the marvel team-ups now along with his other stuff and wasnt sure if this was causing it to be postponed (along with invincible).Nope, no Walking Dead this week. =/well, if it makes anyone happy, it just came out this week and it'll be out again next week! (the 17th) :D

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edit: oops! sorry kid, i just read your post. ;)

Adrian Tullberg

11-14-2004, 09:00 PM

Spoilers for #12:

Could the prison be used as a metaphor for being trapped in a role in society?

Apathy Boy

11-14-2004, 09:54 PM

I'm not sure I get what you mean by trapped in "a role" in society. I think you could use it as a metaphor for the way people cut themselves off from one another in times of crises, though.

This issue was a rather lackluster ending to the arc, I thought. But I guess not every story can end like issue #6 did.

CurryStick

11-17-2004, 05:55 AM

Wow, issue 13 today according to Diamond. I can't wait to see how their welcome to the prison looks like. I would guess not too welcoming of welcome. =)

xhellfacex

11-17-2004, 03:53 PM

kidzack22

11-18-2004, 07:05 PM

Uuuummmm.......

So, where the expletive is the second trade? Wasn't it supposed to come out like a month ago? Then, I asked at a couple local shops and they had it on order for, something like, 2 weeks ago.

i stopped picking up single issues b/c I feel that the Walking Dead title is a great read all at once. Does anyone know what's going on?

Let me know.

Thanks

The second trade is supposed to have issues 7-12 and issues 11 and 12 were both delayed, so the trade has been delayed. #12 just came out last week, so I would assume the trade won't be out for another few weeks.

mgs

11-20-2004, 05:12 PM

I just don't get it, one lousy policeman's staff in between the doors and that's what was keeping the zombies out???!?!??

plus there's more to it than that, did they lock temselves in, and how or did someone lock them in, and why?

Apathy Boy

11-25-2004, 12:57 AM

Yeah, the ending of #13 was definitely a "Huh?" moment.

I think it would be neat if those convicts had no idea that the world was overrun by zombies because the prison guards had locked them in there beforehand.

akaurdaddy

12-08-2004, 09:40 PM

just finished the first trade.
like the last part where the kid killed the guy.
will the second trade be alot more exciting?
cos i usually stop at the first trade and get into another trade and another. =\
btw, did they explained the cause of these zombies?

Apathy Boy

12-08-2004, 10:09 PM

I'm almost certainly in the minority here, but I haven't liked the subsequent issues that much. The book's already in a bit of a rut, and hasn't had the focus of the first six issues. You should also be aware that the book gets a new artist, though I think he does some really nice work.

As for the cause of the zombies ... (spoilers a' comin') in his letters column, Kirkman says he will likely NEVER reveal the origin of the plague.

akaurdaddy

12-09-2004, 02:12 AM

Doug W

12-30-2004, 11:44 AM

I got issue 14 yesterday and I'm surprised no one has posted about it yet.
SPOILERS

First yet another group of new charaters are added to the cast: 4 prisoners who were
stuck in the prison Rick and his group now want to live in, but they seem to be fairly welcoming... maybe a little too welcoming...

Next Rick invites Glen, Herschel and the other folks from the farm to live at the prison and they agree, whoop-dee-do, more characters to keep track of.

And then [/B]REAL SPOILERS[B] Tyreeses daughter, Andrea, and her no good boyfriend try to comit murder/suicide (just like I said they would, and no one belived me) but it goes *um* awry, and only Andrea dies, Tyreese and Rick find them and Tyreese is holding his dead daugher wishing for her to come back, and it appears she does even though she wan't bitten by a zombie. And thats where the issue ends, comments?

Flight

12-30-2004, 11:51 AM

Just commenting to post that I picked up both trades recently and have decided this is one of the best reads of the year
I was kinda put off by the fact that it was in Black and White at first but now I can't imagine it being in colour and still being as refreshingly amazing

O'Blivion

12-30-2004, 12:59 PM

The end of #14 was a great cliffhanger ... can't wait for the next issue.

Also, the end demonstrated that Kirkman's zombies seem to follow the rules of Romero's films and not the newer zombie films (specifically the "Dawn" remake).

GreenHornet

12-31-2004, 05:34 AM

This is such a good read, I like to try to think what Rick is going to think of next, my only problem is has forgotten he was a cop too quick , he trust everyone right off the bat, (SPOILER UP AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Now the kick in the pants! How did the girl come back to life after a gunshot?

Man I can't wait to see the answer for that and for those of you that is reading the Zombie survival guide by Max Brooks ( SNL writer and son of Mell) Page 88 tell us that prisons are a good defense incase of the "outbreak"

Moonbeam

01-02-2005, 08:37 AM

I just read ALL of Walking Dead on Friday and it was incredible! Wow. I didn't know a "zombie" story could be so filled with great characterization and intense personal situations. The way the people are reacting is so real that I just get lost in this story. I love zombie movies, but nothing I've seen has been able to really capture the characters the way Kirkman has in this one.

The *spoilers* from #14 posted above are exactly why I'm going crazy waiting for Issue #15. I want to see if Rick and the others can figure out why this happened -- anybody know when the next issue is going to be done?

Doug W

01-02-2005, 10:55 AM

OK, Tyreeses daughters name is Julie not Andrea, I had to go all the way back to issue 7 to figure that out. I'm not going to edit the previous post though, it perfectly makes my point about to many characters.

UltimateSpiderboy

01-04-2005, 11:12 PM

New here, but saw you had a Walking Dead message board and knew I had to join. I got hooked on Kirkman's stuff in Invincible and once I heard he was doing a Zombie tale, I picked up issue 13 and the first two trades. Excellent stories so far. I have had several surprises along the way, especially the ending of 14. The ending of 14 has me thinking though, if Rick's wife's baby died in the womb, would it come back to life and begin to eat her from the inside out?

Doug W

01-05-2005, 10:07 AM

Moonbeam

01-05-2005, 10:18 AM

UltimateSpiderboy

01-05-2005, 01:06 PM

Yeah, I know it's totally disgusting, but hey the zombie world ain't pretty. Just a thought, and don't believe Kirkman will go that way. You never know though, they could always say that the mothers immune system protected the baby and shielded it from the effects of the virus.
Also, I work in a hospital, and I still cannot get past the part that Rick survived in a coma without any assistance. Wouldn't his body have starved to death? I mean they never said when the hospital was abandoned, but IV fluids still run out rather quickly.

mechngnr

01-07-2005, 07:10 AM

it perfectly makes my point about to many characters.

I think Kirkman said in his letters page that he actually wanted to kill Rick in the first arc. He had planned on killing people off a lot and we, the readers, shouldnt' get to attached to the characters. Or something to that effect. :rolleyes: Yeah right. I cant' help but get attached and part of what makes the book so great is knowing that any of them can die at any time and they all may not die by being bitten. :) Either way, I don't think that all of the current cast will be around to long. :)

mechngnr

01-07-2005, 07:15 AM

Also, the end demonstrated that Kirkman's zombies seem to follow the rules of Romero's films and not the newer zombie films (specifically the "Dawn" remake).

What rule is that? That you dont' have to be bitten to get infected? That the virusis airborne. I assumed in the original romero films you had to be bitten but I haven't watched them in forever and I am not sure I have seen all of them. Lots of zomibe films out there.

OMGDRAN

01-07-2005, 02:50 PM

I love this book but miss mistar Moore. His zombies had alot more detail to their decay.

I seriously thought they were gonna commit suicide, but i never figured they would shoot each other. THAT SWEARVED ME

moebius

01-08-2005, 06:41 AM

Kirkman's Walking Dead is the zombie genre at its best...a social commentary.

I thought the end to 14 was a great (well, moving anyway) personal tragedy combined with a nifty bit of in-universe science. Now we know that Shane can come back to avenge himself on Rick and Carl (assuming gunshots to the neck aren't enough)!

The end certainly reinforces that this is an airborne virus, or something that has contaminated a common element (like being a bacteria in the drinking water).

K'Nort

01-08-2005, 03:04 PM

Well are we positive she's a zombie vs just dramatically regaining consciousness?

moebius

01-08-2005, 03:44 PM

Oooh...good point. But she did look a little "peckish" in that last panel.

Well, we'll know in the next couple of months.

buytradestuff

01-09-2005, 04:12 AM

I would just like to register my support for this excellent series. One of the best executed series on the market. I am glad it is getting the attention it deserves. I',m looking at getting the trade for some non-comic reading zombie lovers in my life.

Iceman4v

01-09-2005, 05:08 AM

How To: Zombie Survival By Max Brooks

Andy S.

01-13-2005, 12:49 PM

Does anyone know if 3rd trade paperback will be out by June?

I want to just wait to get that instead of buying each issue, but i don't know if i can. This book is awesome!

GreenHornet

01-13-2005, 12:52 PM

Well are we positive she's a zombie vs just dramatically regaining consciousness?

Thats something I didn't even think of, She is still alive! Well reel me in and take a picture and get a trophy for the catch of the day!!

CurryStick

01-18-2005, 06:50 AM

The cover of #19 just got released, and all I have to say is wow. Looks like we've got a new member to the party, and damn she looks like a tough one.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/image042005/big/wd_19_cov.jpg

mgs

01-23-2005, 08:03 AM

whoa!!! O.O

zombie slaves! cool! I would'a never thought of that!!!

:)

Christopher Burton

01-23-2005, 02:49 PM

Here's something I've been thinking about lately. Why are they having so much trouble finding food? It seems that not much time elapsed between the time everything started and the culmination of the plague -- Rick was in a coma for about three weeks, right? Also, it apparently only takes a few hours for somebody to zombify. At that rate, people wouldn't really have needed much food before they turned even if they felt like eating. Rick himself mentions that looters were stealing TVs and stuff like that and by the time they realized they should've been stealing canned goods, it was too late. So. What up with the lack of chow? Did everybody steal/buy a bunch and Rick and the gang just can't get to it because it's all in houses that are all zombied up?

GreenHornet

01-23-2005, 03:01 PM

David Bedlam

01-27-2005, 11:22 AM

Rick himself mentions that looters were stealing TVs and stuff like that and by the time they realized they should've been stealing canned goods, it was too late. So. What up with the lack of chow?

I believe that comment about TV's only applied to that one community that had been overrun quickly, and I guess that soon afterwards people cought on to the canned food situation and started looting smartly. At which point they were probably overrun too, and so most accumilations of canned food probably have a pack of dead boys sitting on top of it.

One thing I have been thinking about was Rick's comment about the lack of a military presence, living or undead. In the first few issues, we saw dead police and a tank, but I don't buy that the army compleatly went down with the civilians. Maybe there are a few fortified bases somewhere a-la Day of the Dead?

Christopher Burton

01-28-2005, 04:02 PM

I believe that comment about TV's only applied to that one community that had been overrun quickly,

That's a good point. It's a little vague and it was just Rick's opinion, too. Not necessarily supported by fact.

and I guess that soon afterwards people cought on to the canned food situation and started looting smartly. At which point they were probably overrun too, and so most accumilations of canned food probably have a pack of dead boys sitting on top of it.

Yep, that was pretty much my reasoning, too. Kinda hard to get to that can of Spam when there's 17 zombies between you and it.

One thing I have been thinking about was Rick's comment about the lack of a military presence, living or undead. In the first few issues, we saw dead police and a tank, but I don't buy that the army compleatly went down with the civilians. Maybe there are a few fortified bases somewhere a-la Day of the Dead?

Yeah, and wouldn't the President and his cabinet be holed up somewhere safe? NORAD or someplace?

David Bedlam

01-29-2005, 03:30 AM

Yeah, and wouldn't the President and his cabinet be holed up somewhere safe? NORAD or someplace?

Untill they start to run low on food too.

Maybe they'll start to eat each other. Or maybe they'll go crazy, with military Vs scientists Vs politicians or something.

Now that is a story idea!

Christopher Burton

01-29-2005, 05:22 AM

military Vs scientists Vs politicians

Sounds a lot like high school. :D

I'd think though that the President and his crew would have enough food to last for years. I think the isolation, as you suggest, would get to them first. A bunch of egotists with nobody to grandstand for. It would kill them!

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned so far -- is the plague global or concentrated only in North America? If it were a result of a bioterrorism attack or even just an accident, the rest of the world might have quarantined the whole continent.

David Bedlam

01-30-2005, 05:42 AM

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned so far -- is the plague global or concentrated only in North America? If it were a result of a bioterrorism attack or even just an accident, the rest of the world might have quarantined the whole continent.

Hmm. Maybe the undeath plauge stops at the Panama Canal or something? But then again, wouldn't someone have mentioned how the rest of the world was fine and that maybe they'll be sending help? Or maybe they'll sending planes flying over to take a look?

Or then again, maybe the rest of the world really, really does not like America. :evilsmile

Or maybe they're zombie chow too.

Hi-Fi

01-30-2005, 12:06 PM

Does anybody knows when will 15 be out. It's taking a while.

Mr. Biggstuff

02-01-2005, 04:39 AM

Ive heard good things about this book. Is it out in Tradefrom yet? I would start picking it up in monthly from but i dont wanna be lost. Thanks

David Bedlam

02-01-2005, 05:24 AM

Ive heard good things about this book. Is it out in Tradefrom yet? I would start picking it up in monthly from but i dont wanna be lost. Thanks

The trades of the first tweelve issues are already out, and at a insanly low price. :)

And you should be able to find the next two issues if you look hard enough (There have only been fourteen issues so far, so it's not to hard to catch up).

Mr. Biggstuff

02-01-2005, 11:03 AM

Thanks I'll will be looking for it at my Comic Shop this week. I'm a Sucker for Zombies.!!!!

Hi-Fi

02-08-2005, 09:14 AM

So...is tomorrow the day?

CurryStick

02-08-2005, 06:26 PM

Yup, Walking Dead #15 will be in your LCS 100%, it shipped.

pirulaso

02-08-2005, 10:58 PM

lol wierd. i just saw this comic today and read the first two collection books. this is really good stuff. i am a bit of a zombie enthusiast so seeing a zombie comic was great. outa curiosity, which came first 28 days later or this?

Hi-Fi

02-09-2005, 02:10 AM

CurryStick

02-09-2005, 06:53 AM

28 Days Later came out first in theatres, then Walking Dead #1 appeared on comic shelves a couple months later. I know #1 feels exactly like 28 Days Later did, but according to Kirkman he had the idea planned in his head for years before the movie even came. When he saw the movie it was a complete surprise for him.

OMGDRAN

02-09-2005, 01:43 PM

One thing I have been thinking about was Rick's comment about the lack of a military presence, living or undead. In the first few issues, we saw dead police and a tank, but I don't buy that the army compleatly went down with the civilians. Maybe there are a few fortified bases somewhere a-la Day of the Dead?

See this is something I never got passed in most zombie movies/books.

The military shouldn't be so quickly over run or killed. Specially by slow moving zombies. I mean hell, they could just get into a Humvee and or a tank and run the suckers over till doomsday.

Oh man, and the shiznit really hit the fan in issue 15.

wooha

Andy S.

02-09-2005, 04:36 PM

Just read #15.

Wow. Awesome cover!

This is one of those books that i wish i could completley erase from my mind once i finish reading it. Then i could go back and read it again and again like it was the first time....

Inkthinker

02-09-2005, 05:19 PM

I could be wrong, but i think it was 28 Days Later....

The 28DL connection is pretty moot at this point, considering how the plot of TWD has developed.

Man, Kirkman pulls no punches with the twists, does he... the last page of 15 ramped up the horror to a whole new notch.

mgs

02-09-2005, 08:15 PM

geez! Augie was right! That was a great shocking ending! :eek:

:)

CurryStick

02-09-2005, 08:29 PM

Yeah, insane stuff. Wonder what the story is going to be with the final page there. And Kirkman set up a LOT of stuff in this issue. Tyresse is on the breaking point it seems and the old criminal with the combover they found in the prison seems to be a pedophile.... hmmm...

Andy S.

02-10-2005, 08:56 AM

and the old criminal with the combover they found in the prison seems to be a pedophile.... hmmm...

REally?
I thought that the woman (can't remember her name) he was talking to was Otis's girlfriend-and she's gotta be at least 25 or so, right?
I think the way she was drawn just made her look much younger...

Can we talk about suspects (last page) yet?

CurryStick

02-10-2005, 12:08 PM

REally?
I thought that the woman (can't remember her name) he was talking to was Otis's girlfriend-and she's gotta be at least 25 or so, right?
I think the way she was drawn just made her look much younger...

Can we talk about suspects (last page) yet?

Oh yeah, correct on that one. Guess he's just an old pervert, whichever it is, I think we know where he is headed.

Spoilers ahead...

I'm guessing they found their bodies like that due to some freak accident with god knows whatever was in that room. No way they were killed by the others.

Andy S.

02-10-2005, 12:42 PM

Oh yeah, correct on that one. Guess he's just an old pervert, whichever it is, I think we know where he is headed.

Spoilers ahead...

I'm guessing they found their bodies like that due to some freak accident with god knows whatever was in that room. No way they were killed by the others.

Are you saying that you think its a completely new person who killed them and not anyone we've met yet?

Boomstick King

02-11-2005, 06:38 PM

Don't think it is somebody new, but probably someone you wouldn't expect. DON'T LET TYRESE DIE!!!

CurryStick

02-11-2005, 08:26 PM

No, I'm not saying its someone compeltely new..... God I hope Tyresse didn't snap or anything.

Andy S.

02-12-2005, 04:25 AM

I don't think Tyreese did it. And, unfortunatley, i think he's gonna be toast come next issue.

mgs

02-12-2005, 08:36 AM

I don't think Tyreese did it. And, unfortunatley, i think he's gonna be toast come next issue.
that's what I was initially thinking, but isn't that impossible considering the two groups went off together (and stayed together) at the same time?!? :confused:

Don't think it is somebody new, but probably someone you wouldn't expect.
i think this is more likely.

Hi-Fi

02-12-2005, 08:56 AM

Wasn't Maggie with the girls? Did she die too? Man, i hope not. Poor Glenn.
Also, i think Tyresse is pretty much gone. No way whe could escape that.

mgs

02-12-2005, 09:14 AM

Since, I'll most likely never write a letter into the book.....

How do they do what they do? Anyone know how a body rots? Aren't muscles the first thing to go, especially when they are atrophied? So, how to these Walking Dead get their strength to do what they do? This book is trying to make it all seem a part of the natural world, yet, without the supernatural being an answer, there is no logical explanation as to why and how they are able to even walk, much less, drag down fully functional human beings and attack them.

Just my thoughts. And yeah, they should be really, really stinky too.
-mgs

moebius

02-16-2005, 08:08 AM

My guess is it was that "Thomas Reid" fellow, who had a pretty evil look about him. Almost certainloy one of the prisoners.

And no, Maggie shouldn't be there...Glenn had to go ask her permission to go zombie hunting in the gym.

The twist at the end of issue 14 was one of those things that you never think about in zombie movies, but make perfect sense. About half way to issue 14, i started to think about what happened in the past, and Rick's journey dealt with it immediately.

I also found myself slipping into the moral relativism of Tyrese's actions. Hey, Tyrese just gave Chris what he wanted anyway, right?

No, I don't think we've seen the end of Tyrese. It seems like a good cliffhanger, but Kirkman already had so much development in the issue that I don't see it happening.

Andy S.

02-16-2005, 08:24 AM

No, I don't think we've seen the end of Tyrese. It seems like a good cliffhanger, but Kirkman already had so much development in the issue that I don't see it happening.

That's a good point. Tyresse might pull it together, but when you're surrounded by more than a few zombies, you're pretty much toast.

Andy S.

02-22-2005, 03:26 PM

Just saw the thread about image comics in May. The preview for Walking Dead #20, and it said something about Lori having to deal with choices that she's made. Also mentioned that recent events (ones we haven't seen yet) have been explosive and life-shattering!

I can't wait to see what happens over the next few issues!

After what she said in #15, I have a feeling she's going to "separate" from Rick-not leave the whole prison, but maybe she'd stay in a different part. Thoughts?

CurryStick

02-22-2005, 04:23 PM

Yup, agreed on that one. I think she's reaching her limit with all Rick is doing these days.

Personally for the comics I read, I always stay away from the Previews descriptions, I don't want to possibly ruin anything that might be coming in the months ahead.

Hi-Fi

03-04-2005, 12:03 PM

16 was awesome!
I hope the last page wont happen!

mgs

03-05-2005, 04:16 PM

that last page was sick!!! :eek: :)

Andy S.

03-07-2005, 02:15 PM

*#16 SPOILERS*

I loved the cover of this issue. Looks like the roamers surrounding the prison are increasing in numbers. Soon, the survivors might not be able to get out at all...

Okay. So we know who the killer is now. Thomas the accountant didn't strike me as crazy enough to do this, I have to admit. I just didn't see any real character development or motive on his part. And he was put in the slammer for tax fraud...

Anyway, I REALLY hope Andrea doesn't get decapitated. She's one of the more likeable characters, IMO. And at the rate people are getting killed, there aren't going to be any survivors left to "start over" in a zombie-infested world.

Back to #16- I'm very glad that Tyresse is still alive. He, too, is very likeable character, him strangling his dughter's murdered didn't detract from that. I really thought he was toast.

Can't wait to see what happens next, but if the preview for next issue's cover is any hint.....

CurryStick

03-09-2005, 09:41 PM

I couldn't believe Kirkman killed off Tyresse and I was VERY happy to see him still alive and well, he's Rick's right arm, we need him!

Andy S.

03-10-2005, 04:45 AM

I couldn't believe Kirkman killed off Tyresse and I was VERY happy to see him still alive and well, he's Rick's right arm, we need him!

No kidding. I was also very pleased to see that Tyresse lives. For now, anyway.

He and Rick make a good team-up.

moebius

03-10-2005, 01:16 PM

Hey...I correctly guessed who the decapitation killer was! Somebody give me a cookie!

I also figured that Kirkman wouldn't kill off Tyrese like he did. Deaths generally come in the middle or end of his stories, as a way of filling the requisite tension. If the death doesn't happen in one issue it won't in the next. So Andrea's current "problem" doesn't worry me that much, since it's happening at a chapter break. My guess is she'll get out of it (she's much tougher than Herschel's daughters, and I bet she knows some self-defense) and there will be a little "mob justice" next issue.

One thing that I keep going back to is the bicycle zombie from issue one. I always wondered how she got Turned. With Kirkman's revelation that death is enoughto do it, it makes sense to me now that she was hit by a car in the commotion following the Infection, died, and came back but was too broken to get up. So she just lay there, wasting away. Gave me a totally new perspective on that scene.

moebius

03-10-2005, 01:19 PM

Okay. So we know who the killer is now. Thomas the accountant didn't strike me as crazy enough to do this, I have to admit. I just didn't see any real character development or motive on his part. And he was put in the slammer for tax fraud...

No motive, but the conversation he had with Carol in #15 and the look on his face was definitely enough of a hint. He also looked like the least likely of the four to commit the murders...which made him by elimination the most likely. Now, if Glen or Rick were the killer it would be a "cheat," since there really was no apparent motive.

Don't be so sure he was actually put in for tax fraud. We only have his word for it.

CurryStick

03-11-2005, 05:29 AM

One thing that I keep going back to is the bicycle zombie from issue one. I always wondered how she got Turned. With Kirkman's revelation that death is enoughto do it, it makes sense to me now that she was hit by a car in the commotion following the Infection, died, and came back but was too broken to get up. So she just lay there, wasting away. Gave me a totally new perspective on that scene.

Wow, that's perfect really. I almost dismissed that idea too, but it fits perfectly.

Hi-Fi

03-27-2005, 09:44 AM

Link for all Walking Dead covers, including issue 22:

http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=205

CurryStick

03-27-2005, 11:40 AM

Cool, that should be turned into a site! That'd be great. Not just a thread on a forum.

mgs

03-27-2005, 12:16 PM

Link for all Walking Dead covers, including issue 22:

http://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=205
holey crap! thatissocool! how do they get the covers so quickly? O.O

thanks, hi-fi person! :)

CurryStick

03-27-2005, 04:45 PM

holey crap! thatissocool! how do they get the covers so quickly? O.O

thanks, hi-fi person! :)

Well Previews DID come out last Wednesday, so I see no reason why they wouldn't have the cover to #22. =)

Kramer4262

04-06-2005, 10:29 PM

Wow. Issue 17 was greatness. The giant 2 page spread with everyones reaction to the beating. Rick going over the edge and pretty much declaring himself the end all be all was awesome. Love the set ups for future issues (Zombies knocking over the fence, Prisoners fighting back,etc). This book is the one I wait for every month.

UltimateSpiderboy

04-07-2005, 11:39 AM

Wonder why they don't try and burn the Zombies? I know flammable material is hard to come by, but that prison is a deathtrap.

Hi-Fi

04-07-2005, 07:03 PM

Great issue!! Rick's reaction was brutal and beliavable. I thought Dale would want to kick Thomas ass too, but that didn't happen. Maybe we'll see his reaction next issue. I wonder if they will vote to decide if Thomas dies or if Rick's decision is final...

And Patricia is alive. I thought she was killed when she disappeared a couple of issues back...

cosmicspidey

04-08-2005, 09:27 PM

I wonder if they will vote to decide if Thomas dies or if Rick's decision is final...

Judging by the cover to the next issue, I'd say Rick's decision is final.

cosmicspidey

04-14-2005, 11:10 PM

Congrats to Charlie Adlard for garnering an Eisner Award nomination as Best Penciller/Inker:

Best Penciller/Inker or Penciller/Inker Team
Charles Adlard, The Walking Dead (Image)
John Cassaday, Astonishing X-Men (Marvel); Planetary (WildStorm/DC); I Am Legion: The Dancing Faun (Humanoids/DC)
Geof Darrow, Shaolin Cowboy (Burlyman)
Cary Nord/Thomas Yeates, Conan (Dark Horse)
Frank Quitely, WE3 (Vertigo/DC)

Tribalman

04-17-2005, 03:17 PM

I just started reading The walking dead and
can´t believe what I missed out. It´s great!
I can´t wait to get issue #18. I think Rick is
really losing it. I heard about a hardcover
coming out soon. Does anyone have information
on that?

Andy S.

04-19-2005, 05:35 AM

Judging by the cover to the next issue, I'd say Rick's decision is final.

I know, I kinda wish the cover left a little more mystery. Especially when they seem to show these covers 2-3 months in advance. And according to Wizard issue #18 is supposed to be out already.

Andy S.

04-19-2005, 05:36 AM

Tribalman

04-19-2005, 09:27 AM

Oh, silly me! I guess I was thinking about
the Invincible HC which is due in June.
A Walking dead HC would be nice, though …

:rolleyes:

Hi-Fi

04-19-2005, 06:16 PM

New issue tomorrow!

mgs

04-20-2005, 06:42 PM

got it!!! dauumm. :eek:

moebius

04-24-2005, 09:25 AM

Issue 18 = Good stuff. It was a little bit of a come down issue, with no new threat sub-plots introduced, but a continuation of the stuff that happened in #17.

Adlard's art is getting really, really good. The cover was amazing, and interior just as good.

Andy S.

04-24-2005, 10:29 AM

revolver86

05-25-2005, 06:00 PM

I just got the 3rd trade, WOW! This is a truly amazing book! How many issues have come out since then? I really need to play catch up.

cosmicspidey

05-25-2005, 08:42 PM

I just got the 3rd trade, WOW! This is a truly amazing book! How many issues have come out since then? I really need to play catch up.

None. We're patiently waiting for 19 now.

DaRKNeZz

05-31-2005, 09:24 AM

Man this is starting to anoy th crap out of me. Two damn months behind? What the hell is up with this? Guys need to catch up.

It would be cool with they comibined 19 and 20 with eachother due to the lateness of it.

Does anyone know what is going on though? I heard the illistrator is being lazy and almost got fired.

Andy S.

05-31-2005, 11:11 AM

Does anyone know what is going on though? I heard the illistrator is being lazy and almost got fired.

Where did you hear this? In every interview/ letter response I've ever read of Robert Kirkman, he's done nothing but praise Charlie Adlard's work and professionalism.

And yes, this book's lateness IS getting annoying.

bert

06-03-2005, 09:21 PM

The issue came out, and it was fantastic.

It's funny to see folks complaining about it being late, since we were getting issues in 3 week increments, and no one said "wow. these are coming out so quickly"

considering books like Black Hole (which I compare this to quality wise) came out QUARTERLY. . .and even once every 8 months for the final 3 issues. . . .

bottom line?

it's worth the wait.

as long as it takes, I'm still there for the next issue.

zilla31

06-04-2005, 10:57 AM

bert

06-04-2005, 08:42 PM

is walking dead taking a time off? i can't find it in the previews at mailordercomics. just started reading this w/ the latest issue... it def rocks (and i'm not huge on zombie movies/stories usually)...

yeah. . . they're skipping Aug. to catch up (it's mentioned in the letter column of the most recent issue).

worth the wait tho. . .

zilla31

06-05-2005, 06:03 AM

ah ok - so does that mean we'll still get #20 in july?

bert

06-05-2005, 09:54 AM

ah ok - so does that mean we'll still get #20 in july?

we should. . Kirkman says that issue is done already. . .

Kevin

06-05-2005, 12:29 PM

According to Kirkman, Charlie Adlard and his wife recently had a baby, and that is why there has been some delay.

cosmicspidey

06-05-2005, 06:12 PM

We should be getting it monthly for the time being. They skipped the August solicits, but since they're a month behind, the July solicit will ship in August, and the June solicit in July. And then the Sept solicit will ship in Sept. Hopefully. If this book wasn't so damn good I would care that it was shipping late, but I'm just glad we're getting it semi-regular. Of course, if it wasn't so damn good, I probably wouldn't care if it shipped at all.

zilla31

06-06-2005, 05:22 AM

i'm with you - this is one of the titles i can hardly wait for each month...

K'Nort

06-06-2005, 08:25 AM

Maybe I get too many titles. This is one of my favourites but I don't really notice it's late. By the time I think "I haven't seen TWD in a while," it shows up the following week. And certainly always worth the wait.

Although if I'd had the chance to meet Kirkman at ECCC the week AFTER the issue that ended with the two little girls rather than the week before, it would have been a slightly different conversation. (No, I don't mean I would have scolded or criticized him. But it would have been a topic.)

shaderhacker

06-07-2005, 03:01 PM

What do you guys think of our new character in #19? She is badass! I'm glad there is someone with a sword in this comic. It makes things more interesting than shooting with guns all the time.

-M

zilla31

06-07-2005, 03:10 PM

shaderhacker

06-07-2005, 03:34 PM

yeah the swordella is hot. bullets won't last forever so i'm assuming we'll eventually have to move to a bit more melee. i just started the series a few issues ago and i'm loving it - i need to pick up some older issues or a trade to get my fix (and catch up).

I actually like this series alot (just read #1, #2, and #3). I'm going to go out of my way to collect all the 1st printings.. I almost have them all. Ebay is a good thing!

-M

zilla31

06-07-2005, 03:51 PM

shaderhacker

06-07-2005, 05:05 PM

how is buying comics on ebay generally? i've bought tons of other stuff on ebay so i'm definitely not scared but just curious... if you buy one issue do they kill you on shipping? are there generally deep discounts?

You will get killed on shipping. Some comics that cost me only $2.99 cost $4.00 in shipping. But they are hard to find, so I just factor that in when I bid on the comic. It's good to try and get several at once from the same dealer so that you save on shipping. I just gotta have the series with 1st prints, so I'm paying the price.

-M

TomGun13

06-22-2005, 06:02 PM

I bought this on the weekend and I am about half way through it. I think Kirkman's story with the artwork in B&W works fantastic. I think that there is a strong possiblity that I may pick up the 2nd tpb.

zilla31

06-22-2005, 06:10 PM

do yourself a favor and def grab that second one... the first one ends pretty dramatic - and the second one really gets further into the story, the relationships, etc. i'm loving this title (i'm only through TPB #2).

TomGun13

06-22-2005, 06:24 PM

zilla31

06-22-2005, 06:58 PM

yeah i have no idea to be honest... i'm only up to TPB #2 (i posted my detailed thoughts to my blog earlier today but there is one spoiler in there FYI). i did pick up #19 as a monthly before i decided to catch up by trade - and that one was still pretty damn good (even though i was a bit lost). i have to agree w/ you though - how long can this story stay fresh? it will probably (even though i hate to admit it) jump the shark at some point.

i don't even LIKE zombie stories OR black and white comics (usually) but it all works w/ this title. reminds me so much of the movie 28 days but w/ a lot more depth. you really will like vol. 2 trust me it's a good one.

cosmicspidey

06-22-2005, 10:42 PM

Zilla,

Any idea how long this series will last? Any word on if its finite or not? I mean don't get me wrong but I can't see the zombie things going for like 100 issues. Some great characters for sure.

It'll go until 75 at least, probably. At that point, the zombies might be a minor nuisance compared to the aliens.

K'Nort

06-23-2005, 08:27 AM

It'll go until 75 at least, probably. At that point, the zombies might be a minor nuisance compared to the aliens.

I love the letter pages. They're even better than Powers.

zilla31

06-23-2005, 10:31 AM

i was just thinking that myself during my last post but forgot to get it down... the letter pages do rock.

Carnival of Chaos

06-23-2005, 10:01 PM

I just got thorough all 3 volumes and issue #19. It was awsome and I hope it goes forever yet I hope it ends before it gets lame. The character's are awsome and I think the writer's are smart enough to stop the series before it goes lame. On a side note. I would of been so pissed if I got volume 3 without buying issue number 19. You dont leave people on a cliffhanger at the end of a trade paperback! Its not right (LoL)

zilla31

06-24-2005, 04:58 AM

i've read up through vol. 2 trades AND issue #19 but NOT vol. 3 yet ha. i'm gong to pick up vol. 3 shortly... can't wait. so does vol. 3 go through issue #18?

The Wayner

06-24-2005, 06:05 AM

does vol. 3 go through issue #18?

Yep. Have fun!

revolver86

06-27-2005, 10:20 PM

I just re-read the three trades and issue #19. I love how things fell just right so that right after I bought trade #3, issue #19 came out. The more I read this stuff, the more it seems like it would be a perfect HBO drama. What do you guys think? Is TWD worth putting on the small screen (in B&W of course)?

shaderhacker

06-28-2005, 08:20 AM

cosmicspidey

06-28-2005, 11:22 PM

TWD would work a lot better as a series than a movie. Kirkman himself describes it as a zombie movie that never ends.

HBO or Showtime should take a swing at it. I could see a 12 episode season of the first 2 trades, with the cliffhanger being them finding the prison.

Rob H

06-29-2005, 02:21 AM

So it's on issue #19 at the moment? Is it recommended to read the trades before I start on 19 or should I just start on 19 and pick up the trades when I can?

Adrian Tullberg

06-29-2005, 02:38 AM

zilla31

06-29-2005, 04:52 AM

So it's on issue #19 at the moment? Is it recommended to read the trades before I start on 19 or should I just start on 19 and pick up the trades when I can?

IMO do both (that's how i'm doing it :) you MUST read the trades (just because they are that good).

Rob H

06-29-2005, 04:57 AM

Thanks Zilla. Will do.

zilla31

07-05-2005, 02:53 PM

if you're interested dr. flem i just put up a few brief thoughts about the third volume (no spoilers) on my blog @ http://zillascomics.blogspot.com/2005/07/walking-dead-vol-3-tpb.html

ps you can also dig through my june archive to find stuff about vol. 1 and 2 (but be careful i can't rightly remember if there's any spoilers in those two posts).

Rob H

07-05-2005, 06:07 PM

That was spot on mate. The first trade had me thinking along similar lines and I think it's the genre as a whole that makes you think about the things you do whilst reading a title like The Walking Dead. Kirkman just does it really well and creates a world which is so far out there but not too far off from our own if such a thing were to happen. With any luck, I'll be picking up the other two tommorow.

Your writing improves with each post zilla. Just thought I'd let you know.

zilla31

07-06-2005, 04:45 AM

thanks flem - i've only been blogging for a week and a half (ever) so i'm still getting the hang of it (and to be honest i started taking it a bit more seriously once i knew a person or 2 was actually reading what i wrote!). hopefully it will only get more coherent/intelligent as time goes on :) i'm getting a couple of really cool contributers soon too FYI.

but about walking dead - i seriously have finished each trade wondering where Kirkman would go from there... and with each one he's surprised me. the series has gotten better and better IMO - vol. 3 was solid. can't wait till you catch up with me so i can hear what you think.

ps i still got that conan review coming for you (it was you right?)... there's another great one!

Rob H

07-06-2005, 04:49 AM

Yeah mate... I'll be waiting for it. As far as The Walking Dead goes... I'll be digging pretty deep into my pocket tommorow so I won't be able to pick up the third trade. The second is on my list though.

zilla31

07-06-2005, 05:14 AM

just curious but what time is it over in aussieland?

Rob H

07-06-2005, 05:16 AM

10:16pm (and 36 seconds) at the moment.

cosmicspidey

07-13-2005, 05:29 PM

New issue out today. Great as usual, but not a whole lot happens. Poor Allen, though. Just when he starts to get out of his funk he goes and gets bit. I was wondering how long it's take them to clear out A-block. It seems like everyone's in a bit of a holding pattern at the moment. Of course, that probably just means the shit's about to hit the fan!

zilla31

07-13-2005, 05:55 PM

yeah man - as if allen's life hasn't been in the pooper now this goes and happens. good issue though - at least they found a library. i love the letters pages (RK revealed some cool stuff - how about that HC coming out in Nov that's issues 1-24! huge!) and the characters mug shots w/ descriptions on the last few pages (great reference)...

thik_3rd

07-13-2005, 09:07 PM

yeah, i really appreciated the mini-dossiers at the back.

Tobias March

07-15-2005, 11:58 AM

What about the talk between that 'liberal', girlfriend and the 'redneck', boyfriend?

Carnival of Chaos

07-19-2005, 08:42 PM

Anyone else pick up "The Zombie King" and see the cover for TWD #22 in the last pages of the comic. Looks like Tyreese is having a change of heart.

takashimiike

07-21-2005, 06:27 PM

zilla31

07-21-2005, 07:50 PM

the image solicits have 24 coming out in oct. not sure about the "in betweens".

cosmicspidey

07-22-2005, 01:26 PM

The site I get my subcriptions from, www.scifigenre.com, lists issues 21 and 22 as being delayed. Anyone know why and when they might come out? Sorry if this has already been asked/answered. I looked over the last couple of pages but didn't see anything.

They've been set back a bit since Charlie Adlard and his wife had a baby. But I think they're caught up now. 19 & 20 were delayed quite a bit, which pushed 21 & 22 about a month back from their original solicit dates, but according to kirkman, things should be back on track for a monthly schedule quite soon.

SpecialAgentPunk

08-03-2005, 02:37 AM

don't want to break the flow, but are there any other comics out there with the classic zombie theme, where the zombies are just brainless dead things that walk/run around and don't get into voodoo/witchcraft stuff? I'm thinking about picking this title up, and I'm just wondering if there's any other good zombie titles around.

zilla31

08-03-2005, 04:34 AM

you might want to check out "shaun of the dead". it's a comic rendition of a DVD - but might turn ongoing... funny stuff. TWD is the cats-a$$ though - you really need look no further for your fix :)

thik_3rd

08-03-2005, 09:32 AM

ocelotrevs

08-13-2005, 02:45 PM

Amazing. I just got halfway through the first trade, and I'm hooked
I read a later issue where they hang some man for killing, and I thought it was worth a look
That was £6.50 well spent

Teamballin

08-13-2005, 02:58 PM

I love the book, but my question is how long can they keep the comic goin?

thik_3rd

08-13-2005, 09:11 PM

I love the book, but my question is how long can they keep the comic goin?
til the aliens come.

cosmicspidey

08-14-2005, 01:07 AM

I love the book, but my question is how long can they keep the comic goin?

There's no reason to think it couldn't go on as long as a comic like Action Comics or Amazing Spider-Man. There's no definitive end to the series like there was in a comic like Bone or Cerebus. They're not going to eventually find a cure or anything. It's a book about people interacting with each other, not uniting to fight a common threat, so as long as there's people to interact with each other, it can go on.

zilla31

08-14-2005, 07:24 AM

agreed. and hopefully it will ;)

CoreyB

08-15-2005, 05:36 PM

Robert Kirkman has said that he wants to write it forever, at least until issue #100, sales permitting.

Carnival of Chaos

08-21-2005, 04:06 PM

When you make a book where the only thing that is set in stone is the fact that the dead are walking, you leave yourself with endless possibilities. This could go on for a long a$$ time as long as the stories are good. He could wipe this current group out and just start with a new group of people somewhere else in the world. With a book like spiderman you will always need a spiderman to continue writing stories. You dont need Rick or Tyreese or any of them to continue writing "The Walking Dead", all you need is dead flesh eating zombies, and a bunch of randoms to bitch at each other.

CoreyB

08-21-2005, 06:58 PM

I remember reading that he almost killed Rick in one of the earlier issues. That would've been really bold!

tangentman

08-21-2005, 10:09 PM

What do you guys think of our new character in #19? She is badass! I'm glad there is someone with a sword in this comic. It makes things more interesting than shooting with guns all the time.

-M

Let me put it this way: my original plan was "buy the TPBs". Then, I saw the cover of #19 and bought that issue, PLUS 17 & 18 :)

The character lived up to the promise of the cover--her entrance when she rescued Otis, her awareness of her surroundings, the ability to turn anything into a weapon, warding off most zombies by keeping her "pets" close--I say "Mandatory Retirement for Rick" and put this woman in charge of the survivors! She knows how to survive, is willing to work with others and looked out for a total stranger--good leadership qualities imo. So unless the mystery Warrior Woman is coming into the prison with a sinister agenda, I say it's time for Rick to be kind to himself by letting her relieve him of leadership for a time.

I suppose that I'm not the only reader who wants Patricia to DIE, like, RIGHT NOW. I hate the implied liberal bashing by having her as the token voice for "bleeding hearts", but she is one bitch who is severely out of touch with the reality of that story's world. If I were Rick, I would put her ass out among the zombies for that shit she pulled with the prisoners.

CoreyB

08-21-2005, 10:35 PM

I suppose that I'm not the only reader who wants Patricia to DIE, like, RIGHT NOW. I hate the implied liberal bashing by having her as the token voice for "bleeding hearts", but she is one bitch who is severely out of touch with the reality of that story's world. If I were Rick, I would put her ass out among the zombies for that shit she pulled with the prisoners.

I don't know if I want her to die, but that "bleeding heart" phrase in her bio has always kind of bugged me.

As for the new woman, I LOVED those two pet zombies she had. I really wish she was allowed to keep them around. It's a brilliant idea and they were completely harmless. It would've been pretty cool to have them tied up in her cell. I mean, they could've studied them or something.

Hi-Fi

08-25-2005, 12:39 PM

I don't think Patricia will die anytime soon, unless Rovert want the female population to end. I mean, we have her, Lori, the new girl, Carol, Andrea and Maggie. That's it.

well, as long as he doesn't kill Carol, Maggie and Andrea, i'm ok.

Draconomicon

08-28-2005, 08:20 AM

Well... about the latest issue...
I dunno.
This book kinda felt wrong.

The pacing was seriously off, imho. During the last two isses everything happened far too fast. Its like it got compressed. Especially the Tyreese & Michonne thing. They only just hinted at her interest in him and now she gets down on him already?? And his lover seeing everything accidentally? Not good.
Until this issue Mr. Kirkman actually avoided all cheap Soap, but this now was pretty much the embodiement of it. Didnt like it. :(

zilla31

08-28-2005, 08:23 AM

i didn't mind this latest issue at all... kind of felt like 2 issues worth of dirt in one issue to me. i'm the kind of guy that thinks writers "play to the trade" tho these days (dragging stuff out unnecessarily... so maybe it's just the right pacing for me but not others.

ps the business w/ dale was classic!!

Carnival of Chaos

08-30-2005, 10:28 AM

Anyone else been checking out the upcoming covers at www.tonymooreillustration.com any thoughts on whats going on? Alot of people are thinking Rick is going to die sometime soon. In the most recent cover it looks like he is having an heart attack.

Deathlok

09-02-2005, 08:46 PM

Everyone keeps talking about Walking Dead!.... I might have to get issue #25... the one with those swat officers walking

Ravenheart

09-03-2005, 10:23 AM

I love the Walking Dead series.I didn't get started on it until issue#7 so I had to pick up the TPB but I've been reading ever since.It has to be one of the best horror comics out there right now.

Deathlok

09-03-2005, 10:26 AM

I love the Walking Dead series.I didn't get started on it until issue#7 so I had to pick up the TPB but I've been reading ever since.It has to be one of the best horror comics out there right now.

so basically, ist a very well written horror book. Well I really miss those 70s Marvel & Dc horror books, .... where monsters dwell, monsters on the prowl, secrets of the sinister house, etc

Maybe I will have to give this a try......

Ravenheart

09-03-2005, 10:29 AM

so basically, ist a very well written horror book. Well I really miss those 70s Marvel & Dc horror books, .... where monsters dwell, monsters on the prowl, secrets of the sinister house, etc

Maybe I will have to give this a try......

Oh yeah its very well written.Sometimes the inner strife that the characters are dealing with is more interesting then the actual zombie action.To me that makes it all the better.Its not just one zombie attack after another.I remember those old 70's horror titles.I didn't read many of the DC ones but I did the Marvel.About a year ago I finally completed my collection for Tomb of Dracula.Then I found out about the Essentials lol Oh well,at least I have the entire series in one form :D

Deathlok

09-03-2005, 10:39 AM

You have a complete collection of Tomb of Dracula? C@@L! I have not read that series at all. Whenever I see a vampire book or movie, I get this voice in my head screaming " Its been done!!!" :eek:

But I will say that I think Tomb of Dracula is the exception to that rule, from what I have heard.