Would you have your kid surgically "adjusted"?

[Calybos]

I was wondering this as an outgrowth (sorry, bad pun) of a birth-defect thread, where some people were saying that you should accept whatever happens when you choose to have a kid. Where do you stand on a simple mutation like extra fingers or toes--should they be removed?

[nubly]

nope. i would, however, get him circumsized. im uncut and it makes sexual intercourse and oral sex a bit painful.

[Arrjay]

No way. However I would have a child socially adjusted. That's more fun.

[Dan Apodaca]

nope. i would, however, get him circumsized. im uncut and it makes sexual intercourse and oral sex a bit painful.

You are doing it wrong, then, buddy. Never caused any problems for me.

[i_mmmchocolate]

I chose #2.

nope. i would, however, get him circumsized. im uncut and it makes sexual intercourse and oral sex a bit painful.

Maybe it's just me, but you love talking about your...genitalia.

[Typo Lad]

Maybe it's just me, but you love talking about your...genitalia.

Someone should.

As for me... it depends on what the doctors say. If it will interfear in here ability to function, then yes - I would get it "corrected".

[Rabid Trekkie]

I was wondering this as an outgrowth (sorry, bad pun) of a birth-defect thread, where some people were saying that you should accept whatever happens when you choose to have a kid. Where do you stand on a simple mutation like extra fingers or toes--should they be removed?

Unless it was going to harm the kid in some way or die and become infected or lead to an episode on House I'd probably let the kid keep it.

[i_mmmchocolate]

Someone should.

Someone should...talk about nubly's genitalia?

[Typo Lad]

Someone should...talk about nubly's genitalia?

if no one else will, yeah.

[J Dog]

Come on! This is like plastic surgery!

[The Defenestrator]

I got this extra toenail thing runs in the family and I appreciate the individuality it gives me when it gets caught on things. I'd let my kid keep whatever extra junk he gots unless he got an extra dick or something. To put it eloquently.

[i_mmmchocolate]

Kids can be cruel, and I wouldn't want my kid to suffer through grade school for something that can be easily fixed.


if no one else will, yeah.
Ha!

[The Dosadi Experiment]

nope. i would, however, get him circumsized. im uncut and it makes sexual intercourse and oral sex a bit painful.

You are definately doing something wrong.

I think that routine infant circumcision is wrong.

It's like cutting of your child's little toe for no good reason other than it being there.

[Typo Lad]

I got this extra toenail thing runs in the family and I appreciate the individuality it gives me when it gets caught on things. I'd let my kid keep whatever extra junk he gots unless he got an extra dick or something. To put it eloquently.

If your kid has an extra wang and you have it removed, you are the worst dad ever.

[Night]

I'm assuming it's not debilitating... I'd leave it... extra fingers may be a gift... especially in the days of computer typing and keybord instruments. Although it may be more painful and scarring if you have to remove it later on. I wouldn't take that chance away.

[nubly]

I chose #2.



Maybe it's just me, but you love talking about your...genitalia.
im single. it needs all the loving it can get

if i may be a little graphic- i dont think im doing anything wrong. it took me a few years (early 20s) before i could retract the skin all the way back without any pain. i feel a bit of discomfort with something that is physically touching the head of my penis.

[Typo Lad]

Dear Avraham Avinoo,

Greetings! I know you're busy up in Heaven with G-d and all, but I wanted to take this moment to thank you for the whole "bris" thing. The idea of using the removal of the useless foreskin as a sign of your covenant was some of G-d's best work. Thanks for going through with it.

Give everyone my regards.

Yours,
Typo Lad.

[The Defenestrator]

If your kid has an extra wang and you have it removed, you are the worst dad ever.
Whoa, I just realized the stunning future he'd have in the adult industry, or as a Ripley's dude, or just getting extra sex! I mean, he could easily pay for me and Wifey to go to the nursing home with the bank he'd be making! Thanks, man! Now I gotta see how to engineer him so's he will have two Floridas!

[Huh?]

nope. i would, however, get him circumsized. im uncut and it makes sexual intercourse and oral sex a bit painful.Vacuum cleaners are for vacuuming!

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Vacuuming! ;)

[Dan Apodaca]

Dear Avraham Avinoo,

Greetings! I know you're busy up in Heaven with G-d and all, but I wanted to take this moment to thank you for the whole "bris" thing. The idea of using the removal of the useless foreskin as a sign of your covenant was some of G-d's best work. Thanks for going through with it.

Give everyone my regards.

Yours,
Typo Lad.

Not useless. When sex is done right, we feel more pleasure. More nerve endings.

[Dan Apodaca]

im single. it needs all the loving it can get

if i may be a little graphic- i dont think im doing anything wrong. it took me a few years (early 20s) before i could retract the skin all the way back without any pain. i feel a bit of discomfort with something that is physically touching the head of my penis.

If you mean what I think you mean when you say "retract the skin all the way back", then you are doing it wrong.

[Typo Lad]

"I'm gonna be a doctor when I grow up!"

"Peter Johnson Defenestratorson, you will do no such thing! Your mother and I spent a lot of money ensuring that you would have a future in the adult industry and I'll be damned if I let you screw it up. Now go out there ang get yourself some poon!"

[The Dosadi Experiment]

if i may be a little graphic- i dont think im doing anything wrong. it took me a few years (early 20s) before i could retract the skin all the way back without any pain. i feel a bit of discomfort with something that is physically touching the head of my penis.

you have several options with that condition, as it is clear that you're suffering from too tight a foreskin.

You can stretch, which you did yourself already.

You can also have a partial circumcision, which is basically making a small incission in the foreskin.

And of course the complete circumcision, which is removing the foreskin completely.

If your frenelum is too tight, you can have it slit, which is a minor operation really, and leaves the totallity of your foreskin intact, it only severs the link between the penis and the foreskin, you can find it underneath the head of the penis.

Either way you are an exception, not the rule.

I'd only have my son circumsized if there was a medical reason to do so.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

Contrary to popular belief the foreskin is far from useless.

[Typo Lad]

Contrary to popular belief the foreskin is far from useless.

All I know is it makes for a lousy soup.

[Dan Apodaca]

All I know is it makes for a lousy soup.

Eeeewww. I'll take your word for it.

[Dan Apodaca]

Contrary to popular belief the foreskin is far from useless.

Hello, brother.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Contrary to popular belief the foreskin is far from useless.

That's right. You can use it to store things, kind of like how chipmunks put seeds and nuts in their cheek pouches.

[Dan Apodaca]

That's right. You can use it to store things, kind of like how chipmunks put seeds and nuts in their cheek pouches.

It's made of brain. All you cut suckas are missing out! We got telekinesis, bitches!

[The Dosadi Experiment]

It's made of brain. All you cut suckas are missing out! We got telekinesis, bitches!

and a gazillion more nerve endings that enhance the sexual experience tenfold, if not thousand fold!

You guys were robbed, you're missing something.

[Typo Lad]

You guys were robbed, you're missing something.

Sorry, I think it's worth what I traded it for.

Now all you gentile sukkas... you're just DUMB.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

Sorry, I think it's worth what I traded it for.


you didn't trade it for anything, you were robbed, you didn't have a say in it, you were an infant, and they cut it off for no good reason.

[JeffreyWKramer]

you didn't trade it for anything, you were robbed, you didn't have a say in it, you were an infant, and they cut it off for no good reason.

Actually, mine was one of those cut off for a reason. It was too large, and blocking the flow of urine. So, it got clipped when I was a couple days old.

[Typo Lad]

you didn't trade it for anything, you were robbed, you didn't have a say in it, you were an infant, and they cut it off for no good reason.


I very much did trade it and believe that there was a very good reason. However, since you and I don't share the same belief system, we'll never convince each other on this one. So let's jsut drop it.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

"As late as the 1970s, leading American medical textbooks still advocated routine circumcision as a way to prevent masturbation."

incidentally, the only sites I can find in English on the subject are from lobby-pressure-groups...

Americans have issues, they invent lobbyists for everything.

Dutch sites have a bit more rational descriptions on the various functions of the foreskin, but somehow I find it tedious to translate medical works, because they'll end up being ignored.

[Guapo Méndez]

you didn't trade it for anything, you were robbed, you didn't have a say in it, you were an infant, and they cut it off for no good reason.

There is no way in hell you can tell who feels more or less than you do. You can have more nerves, but you don't know if mine are more attuned.

There are good reasons for circumcision: religious belief, hygiene, comfort.

Good for some, yeah, worthless for other.

But you can't argue that you feel better than I can.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

There is no way in hell you can tell who feels more or less than you do. You can have more nerves, but you don't know if mine are more attuned.


Fine, whatever, go tell the medical world that they're wrong.

[Guapo Méndez]

Fine, whatever, go tell the medical world that they're wrong.

I don't have to. I feel perfectly fine the way I am. I'd translate the site, but I'm about to go on my lunch break. (http://www.pene-salud.com/circuncision/index.php)

Have fun.

[Dan Apodaca]

There is no way in hell you can tell who feels more or less than you do. You can have more nerves, but you don't know if mine are more attuned.

There are good reasons for circumcision: religious belief, hygiene, comfort.

Good for some, yeah, worthless for other.

But you can't argue that you feel better than I can.

Well, let me just say that in terms of hygiene?

As long as you bathe regularly, you're fine. It's not that hard to keep it clean.

[Dan Apodaca]

you didn't trade it for anything, you were robbed, you didn't have a say in it, you were an infant, and they cut it off for no good reason.

I believe that Typo was referring to the religious aspects of circumcision.

[Dan Apodaca]

Sorry, I think it's worth what I traded it for.

Now all you gentile sukkas... you're just DUMB.

I still have telekinesis! I can levitate my godless self.

[Guapo Méndez]

Well, let me just say that in terms of hygiene?

As long as you bathe regularly, you're fine. It's not that hard to keep it clean.

True, true.

However you make better time on an open road.

[Dan Apodaca]

True, true.

However you make better time on an open road.

I'll give you that. You save a good 2.5 seconds on your showers.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

I believe that Typo was referring to the religious aspects of circumcision.

But even then they are something of a victim, as the procedure occurs when they are at such a young age that they can barely speak, let alone form a thought on a complex issue such as faith. The baby makes no covenant, it sacrifices nothing, it undergoes the will of the parents, of a culture behind the parents.

I find that there's something perverse about circumcizing infants that aren't even one year old, if not for a medical neccesity.

To do it because of faith seems awkward, as the child is so young it cannot give its consent, it doesn't know what's happening or why it's happening.

[nubly]

Well, let me just say that in terms of hygiene?

As long as you bathe regularly, you're fine. It's not that hard to keep it clean.
its more than just bathing for me. i have to wipe after urinating if i want to be odor free. shaking doesnt do it for me

[Dan Apodaca]

But even then they are something of a victim, as the procedure occurs when they are at such a young age that they can barely speak, let alone form a thought on a complex issue such as faith. The baby makes no covenant, it sacrifices nothing, it undergoes the will of the parents, of a culture behind the parents.

I find that there's something perverse about circumcizing infants that aren't even one year old, if not for a medical neccesity.

To do it because of faith seems awkward, as the child is so young it cannot give its consent, it doesn't know what's happening or why it's happening.

Well, as the case is, it's really only up to the person in question to determine whether or not they are content with the circumcision. Granted, there's no reversal option. Still, just as religion is personal, so is one's weeny lip.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

its more than just bathing for me. i have to wipe after urinating if i want to be odor free. shaking doesnt do it for me

What kind of foreskin do you have!? :eek:

[The Defenestrator]

Ah, would that we could all switch wangs. It would lead to a whole new era of wang understanding, until someone would point out that it was sorta gay, and then there would be an argument about gays again.

[Dan Apodaca]

its more than just bathing for me. i have to wipe after urinating if i want to be odor free. shaking doesnt do it for me

Okay, well then you have an abnormal situation which could be helped through medical work.

[Typo Lad]

Well, as the case is, it's really only up to the person in question to determine whether or not they are content with the circumcision. Granted, there's no reversal option. Still, just as religion is personal, so is one's weeny lip.

Amen.

There are very good reasons to do it as soon as possible, foremost amungst them is that you want to do it BEFORE the nerves down there are 100% developed.

[Dan Apodaca]

Actually, mine was one of those cut off for a reason. It was too large, and blocking the flow of urine. So, it got clipped when I was a couple days old.

Jeff was born with a deformed weiner! HA!

[Bakema NL]

When I read the thread title my immediate reply was "Are you friggin' nuts?".
But it's a little different than I thought. I wouldn't remove an extra finger or toe, that's a minor thing. My wife had a woman in the store she works at with 6 fingers, it's a little odd, but not something to freak out on. Really bad disfigurements or scars can be something else of course.

nope. i would, however, get him circumsized. im uncut and it makes sexual intercourse and oral sex a bit painful.

I'm not cut and no problem whatsoever. There are people who really need to get circumsized, sounds like you are one of them. I wouldn't have any problem doing it when the foreskin caused me pain. I read you were not able to retract the skin before your 20's........you should have let it taken care off a lot sooner I think.

I very much did trade it and believe that there was a very good reason. However, since you and I don't share the same belief system, we'll never convince each other on this one. So let's jsut drop it.

Now that's something I do have a problem with. Forcing religion and these customs of religion on very little children who don't have any say in the matter. Children shouldn't be forced or guided into religion to begin with as they are too young to fully comprehend just what it is they are doing and are becoming a part of. It's the parents who make them religious, not the children themselves, it's almost like brainwashing. At a somewhat adult age people can make up their own mind if they really believe in a god or religion or whatever, when they are ready and able to make up their minds about it. But of course religious people will never see it that way, otherwise there wouldn't be a lot of religious people left in the world, not the amounts of today. :)
I despise most of the religions for matters like these. My mother and father are both brought up with religion as a big part of that upbringing, but they never wanted my brother and me to be forced into it, we could make up our own minds later on.........and we're both not religious whatsoever. We did have bible lessons/religion lessons early in our lives, which was optional at the school we attended (which had no religious ties). The reason for that was that our parents thought it was good for us to know a thing or two about religion, knowledge can't hurt, you don't become less of a person for at least hearing things about religion from a person into that religion. The man who teached it was catholic and aside from that he also told things about other religions. Both my brother and me really liked those stories, we still do. But like I said we're not religious, we don't believe in a god or something. People who want to believe I have no problems with, but like I said, I do have problems with children taken into it.

[Typo Lad]

Jeff was born with a deformed weiner! HA!

be that as it may, he's made up for it with skill.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

be that as it may, he's made up for it with skill.

he's still a freak

[Dan Apodaca]

Amen.

There are very good reasons to do it as soon as possible, foremost amungst them is that you want to do it BEFORE the nerves down there are 100% developed.

I remember my favorite theatre teacher telling me about an army buddy of his who got circumcised in the service. Apparently, they didn't do such a good job, and it got infected.

That story convinced me of the benefits of early circumcision.

[Guapo Méndez]

But even then they are something of a victim, as the procedure occurs when they are at such a young age that they can barely speak, let alone form a thought on a complex issue such as faith. The baby makes no covenant, it sacrifices nothing, it undergoes the will of the parents, of a culture behind the parents.

We are not victims.
Not when it comes to our beliefs. Jesus was circumcised and that's good enough for me.

Second, until they can form an opinion for themselves, the kids will share the culture of the parents. You bring them in on what you know or believe (or what you don't believe in).
If your child is going to be part of your faith, he has to start the observance of certain rites.



I find that there's something perverse about circumcizing infants that aren't even one year old, if not for a medical neccesity.

Whatever pain there is, is gone in a matter of days. Besides, with the 100% ambient change on the baby, he's got a lot of stuff to worry about than the operation. For instance, he now has to cry to get food to survive.


To do it because of faith seems awkward, as the child is so young it cannot give its consent, it doesn't know what's happening or why it's happening.

I know of 2 adults that were circumsized on their teenage years. they say its not something they would desire on their worst enemies.

Me? I didn't feel a thing on mine and I'm pretty sure my kid didn't feel anything on his. I'm glad it was done when I couldn't possibly remember it.

[Dan Apodaca]

be that as it may, he's made up for it with skill.

That explains a lot, actually. Overcompensating, maybe?

[Typo Lad]

he's still a freak

A freak who gets more action in one session of lovemaking than 90% of us.

[JeffreyWKramer]

he's still a freak

Only in a good way.

And, nothing freakish about it now. No tattoos, no weird colors, no corkscrew design or fins or anything. It looks like an ordinary, circumcised penis.

[JeffreyWKramer]

That explains a lot, actually. Overcompensating, maybe?

Nope. Good early teachers.

[Typo Lad]

Ive been at circumsiions where the kid slept through the whole thing, actually.

I too, know people who converted as teenagers or adults. Not only did they not sleep through it, they needed to stay in the hospital after.

[Dan Apodaca]

Jesus was circumcised and that's good enough for me.

He's lucky he's the son of god. I wouldn't want to have to deal with a circumcision from that era, without a little divine assistance.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I too, know people who converted as teenagers or adults. Not only did they not sleep through it, they needed to stay in the hospital after.

Especially in those cases when the rabbi doing the cut sneezed.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

that's another question...

I was cut, so my kid will get cut...

is that a valid argument to make? I have one eye, so I'll gauge my son's eye out, I have four toes, so I'll cut one off my son's foot.

The fact that the operation is something you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy, would be something that was all the more important if you were going to make a religious commitment to whatever god you believed in.

having your kid cut at birth negates the religious nature of the procedure, you take away the sacrifice your child has to make.

[Dan Apodaca]

Ive been at circumsiions where the kid slept through the whole thing, actually.

I too, know people who converted as teenagers or adults. Not only did they not sleep through it, they needed to stay in the hospital after.

This must suck for Nubly. Here we are, on the one half talking about how aful adult circumcisions are, and on the other reccomending that he get one himself.

Poor guy's doomed.

[JeffreyWKramer]

This must suck for Nubly. Here we are, on the one half talking about how aful adult circumcisions are, and on the other reccomending that he get one himself.

Poor guy's doomed.

He might get anxious about it.

[nubly]

What kind of foreskin do you have!? :eek:
Okay, well then you have an abnormal situation which could be helped through medical work.
are you guys serious? i thought it was normal for uncut guys. urine gets trapped inside the foreskin which creates a foul odor. i remember reading on the net that this gir's boyfriend had the same problem and it was recommended to him to wipe after urinating, which is what prompted me to start doing the same. i assumed it was the same with everyone

[The Dosadi Experiment]

He might get anxious about it.

yeah, true, but then again there are people out there that get anxious about nullification too.

[nubly]

and it should be a crime to call a man's penis abnormal!

[Dan Apodaca]

that's another question...

I was cut, so my kid will get cut...

is that a valid argument to make? I have one eye, so I'll gauge my son's eye out, I have four toes, so I'll cut one off my son's foot.

The fact that the operation is something you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy, would be something that was all the more important if you were going to make a religious commitment to whatever god you believed in.

having your kid cut at birth negates the religious nature of the procedure, you take away the sacrifice your child has to make.

The main thing, though, is:

Is it really a big deal for kids to be cut or uncut? I mean, however they end up, it's not gonna have a major impact on their lives (except for the teke). I've never met anybody that was distraught from having lost their foreskin at a time they can't remember.

[Typo Lad]

What "sacrifice"?

The point of a Bris is:

1) So that the "chosen" stand out.

2) A visible sign of the Covenant between man and G-d.

The entire point is to make it as painless as possible. It's not a "sacrifice". Judiasm is not an Astetic (sp) religion. This is the ONLY form of body manipulation of ANY kind that's allowed.

As for "well, my dad did it and I did it so he's gonna do it"... sorry, but this is just not something you're going to "get" unless you're a religious person.

We're not talking about removing a finger here. A foreskin is not essential to live.

[Typo Lad]

This must suck for Nubly. Here we are, on the one half talking about how aful adult circumcisions are, and on the other reccomending that he get one himself.

Poor guy's doomed.

He's not "doomed", but if he does decide to do it, he should find a doctor who has performed the surgery numerous times. It can be tricky in a grown man.

The recovery time is actually fairly long.

[Dan Apodaca]

and it should be a crime to call a man's penis abnormal!

Well, it's not normal. Sorry, no offense intended.

Seriously, I just shake it out. That takes care of everything. But if wiping works for you, keep on doing it. I assume it's not a major inconvenience or anything.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

are you guys serious? i thought it was normal for uncut guys. urine gets trapped inside the foreskin which creates a foul odor. i remember reading on the net that this gir's boyfriend had the same problem and it was recommended to him to wipe after urinating, which is what prompted me to start doing the same. i assumed it was the same with everyone

Roll the foreskin back during urinating is one option. You can roll it back all the way, exposing the entire head, or you can roll it back just a little, exposing only the tip of the head.

you can also milk your penis afterwards.

and when you hold it, don't hold it by the tip, a real man holds it firm and stout at the shaft itself.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

The main thing, though, is:

Is it really a big deal for kids to be cut or uncut? I mean, however they end up, it's not gonna have a major impact on their lives (except for the teke). I've never met anybody that was distraught from having lost their foreskin at a time they can't remember.

you'd be surprised what kind of freaks are out there, you have a whole movement of people who want to restore their foreskin...

... yeah that had me going OMFGWTFROFLMAOBBQ!

[Dan Apodaca]

What "sacrifice"?

The point of a Bris is:

1) So that the "chosen" stand out.

2) A visible sign of the Covenant between man and G-d.

That sounds hot.

So, the big man checks everybody's wangs to see who qualifies and who doesn't? I have to say, it's kind of refreshing to know that even if I'm not Jewish, I get to show god my wiener.

[Typo Lad]

A little more on the Jewish view on Circumcision:

http://www.jewfaq.org/birth.htm#Brit

[Guapo Méndez]

that's another question...

I was cut, so my kid will get cut...

So you are circumcized. ;)



is that a valid argument to make? I have one eye, so I'll gauge my son's eye out, I have four toes, so I'll cut one off my son's foot.

Gouge.

Well, my religious beliefs and tradition do not mandate us to do outright idiotic things. Foreskin, if not well groomed, can be a source of infection. It's better to remove the extra skin (which, unlike the eyes -they let us see- or feet -good for walking-) so it doesn't accumulate smegma.

Am I bitter because my father (he's one of the teens I talked about) had me circumcised when I was a baby? Hell no. I've been with this body my whole life and believe me, its condition is a non-issue. I can function like any other human being and my quality of life has not been diminished.

If I had 1 eye less or 1 foot less, well, then my folks sure did me a disservice.



The fact that the operation is something you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy, would be something that was all the more important if you were going to make a religious commitment to whatever god you believed in.

Well, I wouldn't let anyone take surgery without the propper anesthetics. A simple wisdom teeth extraction can be a butchery and a torture session of incalculable pain if you don't do it with the right tools.

It hurts to have your foreskin removed when you are a teen because you are 100% aware of everything. The nerves have been fully developed for years and simple things like walking will irritate the cut zone.

That's why it hurts so much, because you are aware of the pain and you are much more mobile and active than a days old baby.


having your kid cut at birth negates the religious nature of the procedure, you take away the sacrifice your child has to make.

Where does it say it does?

[Dan Apodaca]

you'd be surprised what kind of freaks are out there, you have a whole movement of people who want to restore their foreskin...

... yeah that had me going OMFGWTFROFLMAOBBQ!

Soo Puh Wee-uhd.

[Typo Lad]

you'd be surprised what kind of freaks are out there, you have a whole movement of people who want to restore their foreskin...

... yeah that had me going OMFGWTFROFLMAOBBQ!

In fact, according to this url: http://www.aish.com/literacy/lifecycle/bris_milah_beautiful_or_barbaric$.asp

The The Netherlands Institute of Human Rights is one of the prime opponents of Circumcision.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

As for "well, my dad did it and I did it so he's gonna do it"... sorry, but this is just not something you're going to "get" unless you're a religious person.

Actually the argument has nothing to do with religion.

Every cut father can say it, regardless of religion, race, even sexual preference.

"I had mine cut as a baby, so I'll have my son cut as a baby"

is that a valid argument to make?

We're not talking about removing a finger here. A foreskin is not essential to live.

neither is your pinky or your little toe, and you can also live with one lung, one eye, one arm, one leg, even no arms and no legs.

[Spackling Compound]

My kid enhanced...the possibilites!
http://www.danielamos.com/stunt/batboy.gif

Your kid enhanced? Possibly...

http://www.marklibby.com/images/hootersair.jpg

[Typo Lad]

That sounds hot.

So, the big man checks everybody's wangs to see who qualifies and who doesn't? I have to say, it's kind of refreshing to know that even if I'm not Jewish, I get to show god my wiener.

Keep in mind, G-d is everywhere.

He's not only seen your man-pickle, He's seen what you do with it.

That's right. G-d likes to watch.

I'm so going to Heck

[Dan Apodaca]

A little more on the Jewish view on Circumcision:

http://www.jewfaq.org/birth.htm#Brit

I don't understand how cancer risk can be lowered for someone based on whether their partner is circumcised or not.

[Typo Lad]

Actually the argument has nothing to do with religion.

And yet, it has everything to.

Every cut father can say it, regardless of religion, race, even sexual preference.

"I had mine cut as a baby, so I'll have my son cut as a baby"

is that a valid argument to make?

1) Sure, why not? Tradition is a big deal.

2) Religion has everything to do with it. I am Mordechai Eliahu ben Dovid Chanoch ben Avrohom Shmuel ben Moshe Aaron ben Dovid Chanoch ben Avrohom Shmuel. All those ancestors have followed the tenats of our faith and had this done. I should not do it?

neither is your pinky or your little toe, and you can also live with one lung, one eye, one arm, one leg, even no arms and no legs.

Really?

Try living a "normal" life with no arms or no legs. Try drawing with no pinky.

I get just as much pleasure from sex as someone with a Foreskin, according to studies, and he gets the same as I.

[Typo Lad]

I don't understand how cancer risk can be lowered for someone based on whether their partner is circumcised or not.

I don't quite get that one myself. It's almost like saying "hey, don't want Ovarian cancer? Screw a Jew!"

Maybe the author of that site read this book:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0689878893.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Dan Apodaca]

Keep in mind, G-d is everywhere.

He's not only seen your man-pickle, He's seen what you do with it.

That's right. G-d likes to watch.

I'm so going to Heck

I bet he can also take a joke.

[Dan Apodaca]

I don't quite get that one myself. It's almost like saying "hey, don't want Ovarian cancer? Screw a Jew!"

You guys are just trying to steal all the milfs! I get it!

[The Dosadi Experiment]

In fact, according to this url: http://www.aish.com/literacy/lifecycle/bris_milah_beautiful_or_barbaric$.asp

The The Netherlands Institute of Human Rights is one of the prime opponents of Circumcision.

Here in this country in general you can't get a circumcision if you don't have a medical or a religious reason...

what other reasons are there?

also your source is biased

but even with bias they have to concede: "The truth is, there is no "logical" argument for cutting a piece of flesh off a helpless baby."

[Typo Lad]

I bet he can also take a joke.

Oh, G-d has a sense of humor.

Don't believe me?

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/webpictures/platypus.jpg

[The Dosadi Experiment]

And the study involving AIDS and HIV risk is flawed.

[Typo Lad]

Here in this country in general you can't get a circumcision if you don't have a medical or a religious reason...

I believe it is the same here.

what other reasons are there?

Possibly a Very Stupid Grown Man who has no idea what kind of pain is involved recovery-wise decides he wants to be cut. His willy, his business.

also your source is biased

Is it? Wow, fancy that. An argument I use for pro-Circumcision is pro-circumcision. What is the world coming to?

Oh wait, it wasn't meant as an arguement? it was meant to give further insight into the reasoning behing Brit Meilah?

Oh! I see now!

but even with bias they have to concede: "The truth is, there is no "logical" argument for cutting a piece of flesh off a helpless baby."

Logic is for Vulcans, thanks.

[Typo Lad]

And the study involving AIDS and HIV risk is flawed.

Care to back your words up with data?

Edit: In fact, a quick googling shows that studies have been done that go both ways.

This, to me, means it is unprooven.

[Guapo Méndez]

Here in this country in general you can't get a circumcision if you don't have a medical or a religious reason...."

Here in my country you just tell the doc and he bills you for it.


what other reasons are there?

It would have to do with dealing with what you know. A circumcized dad would be more keen to circ kid.A non-circ would be keen to keep his kid non-circ.
The non-circ dad would have a compelling reason to circ his kid (Too much upkeep...girls don't like non-circ's too much, comfort, pleasure)


also your source is biased


Most are. You use them to prove your point, not the opposition's.


but even with bias they have to concede: "The truth is, there is no "logical" argument for cutting a piece of flesh off a helpless baby."


Some do. Some don't.
Some who don't can't believe those who do, do.
Some who do have no problem how they are.
And the circle repeats itself.

[Typo Lad]

Here's a one month old story from the BBC about Cicumsicion/HIV:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4719409.stm

[i_mmmchocolate]

Calling Dr. Cronin to the thread!

Looks like this should be turned into a 'Circumcision Debate Thread'.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Keep in mind, G-d is everywhere.

He's not only seen your man-pickle, He's seen what you do with it.

That's right. G-d likes to watch.

I'm so going to Heck

I already told my brother that when/if he ever gets married I'm calling him on his honeymoon and telling him that.

Yeah I have no problem wrecking what is supposed to be the happiest moment in my brother's life.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Calling Dr. Cronin to the thread!

Uh oh. Who knows what he'll cut off?

[Typo Lad]

Calling Dr. Cronin to the thread!

Are you saying it needs to be trimmed?

Looks like this should be turned into a 'Circumcision Debate Thread'.

It's a form of "adjustment", so i think it is valid, no?

[Typo Lad]

Yeah I have no problem wrecking what is supposed to be the happiest moment in my brother's life.

My brother did that himself.

He wore Spongbob boxers.

[Rabid Trekkie]

My brother did that himself.

He wore Spongbob boxers.

That's a joke right?

[Typo Lad]

That's a joke right?

Sadly, no.

He was very proud of himself. He showed me and his Best Man.

I pulled aside the man marrying my favorite cousin and said "Listen, we don't know each other too well, but I like you, so I want to give you a tip from an old married man, if that's okay."

"Okay."

"Don't be an idiot and wear cartoon underpants on your wedding night, kay?"

[Dan Apodaca]

Isn't Spongebob gay?

[Typo Lad]

Isn't Spongebob gay?

No, just dumb.

Now SQUIDWARD, he's alllll about the boys.

[Rabid Trekkie]

Sadly, no.

He was very proud of himself. He showed me and his Best Man.

I pulled aside the man marrying my favorite cousin and said "Listen, we don't know each other too well, but I like you, so I want to give you a tip from an old married man, if that's okay."

"Okay."

"Don't be an idiot and wear cartoon underpants on your wedding night, kay?"

lol. Now I got to find a way to get my bro to wear that. It's fun being the older brother.

[Paradox]

Am I wrong, or aren't most extra fingers non-functional? Sorry, having some trouble with this work computer tonight and looking it up would be a bit involved.

A non-functional finger I'd have removed without a second thought.

A functional one? Hmmm...that'd take a lot more thinking, and would involve a lot more info than "extra finger". Unless it was just an extra finger that looked and worked just like the rest of them, I'd probably still have it taken off. Kids get enough crap without adding to it.

My niece had a big birthmark on the inside of her browridge/nose connection right above her eye. It was about 1 1/2 times the size of a quarter. My sister had it removed when her daughter was five, solely for aesthetic reasons, and I was all in favor.

We now return you to your regularly unscheduled penis cutting talk. ;)

[K'Nort]

I'm rather shocked this cut/uncut discussion has made it this many pages without debating which version women (or other men) prefer in a partner.

[Jeff Brady]

I'm rather shocked this cut/uncut discussion has made it this many pages without debating which version women (or other men) prefer in a partner.

Keep your laws off our bodies!

Wait, I didn't mean it that way...

As long as we keep it clean, it shouldn't matter. Some women don't like it, some don't care, and some like it.

[Solaris]

As for the original question... I really don't know. "Medical condition" would play a large role in any circumstances, for sure. For instance, something like a harelip/split palate/etc.? Yeah, most likely, because it causes speech impediments and other issues. Extra finger? I dunno, but the medical outlook would be the most important one (which includes usage, in my book---if it'd be a big impediment for him/her to type and do other manual dexterity things, then the odds are I would go for surgery).

[OzBat!]

"Don't be an idiot and wear cartoon underpants on your wedding night, kay?"So you're saying my "Joe Cool" boxers weren't the way to go?

I don't remember there being any detrimental effects on my wedding night...

[OzBat!]

Hey! No derailing this thread back to its original question!! On to the circumcision...

I know you can search for all of five minutes and fall all over both pro- and con- sources of information for the medical/cleanliness/health side of things. But the pro side had reasons that reasonated, that were valid, to me. Combine that with the fact that I was cut as an infant, and I didn't want my son in future years being possibly upset or concerned that he was "different" from his father.

Surprisingly, religion didn't come into the equation overly much. It's part of my beliefs, but the practicalities involved ensured that we couldn't look at it just from a religious perspective. When it came down to it, there were only a couple of doctors here that would do it, and they were booked well and truly ahead, so it was good that we thought about the issue before my son was born and planned accordingly.

When Ash was 11 days old, we visited the doctor, and they don't even *snip* these days... they used a plastic ring that stayed on for a few days - it 'docked' the foreskin gradually, ring and foreskin both fell off days later. While there was a little redness, Ash didn't feel much at all.

I had friends who felt strongly on the subject, insinuating and outright stating that I was a bad dad, just doing things out of tradition and inflicting needless pain on my infant child, etcetera ad nauseum etcetera. But in the long run I'm glad. My best friend from high school had a son a few months after me; they didn't circumsize, and they've had infection after infection after infection. Not fun at all. And while I realise that that's an individual example and not indicative of the overall "unsnipped" population, it made me feel a little more at ease about the path we chose.