What if Jesus rebelled?

[RickThunderclees]

Ok, I'll start...

On Dec. 24, something like 7 A.D. (and don't correct me on the date it's not important), Jesus was born.

He then went to carpentry school while he was the son of God. After he became the well-known Jesus we all know, and started performing miracles, he decided that he was fed up with the Big Guy's antics and tests, and decided to stick it to the man. What would Jesus do......then?

Would he join a traveling circus? Change religions? Be on a sitcom? Would he still be alive today? Would we have JC Comics competing with Marvel and DC?

[Charles RB]

He'd probably just go have a normal life and never use his powers. That'd be the biggest act of rebellion he could do.

[Hiromi]

How the Hell do you change religions when you are the religion?

[Adem]

He eventually just gets a nice desk job and takes the subway to work like everyone else.

http://liex.net/photos/loopline/jesus.jpg

[RickThunderclees]

That's the sexiest picture of Jesus I've ever seen

[JeffreyWKramer]

That's the sexiest picture of Jesus I've ever seen

Never seen Jesus porn, eh?

[RickThunderclees]

Never seen Jesus porn, eh?

Obviously you're not a golfer...


Dude look at the girl on the right...she got crack eyes?

[Night]

Well, he would have died a sinner and without a savior he and a good number of us would be doomed.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Jesus would have naturally became a SUPERSTAR! Joining those guys on Jesus Christ , Superstar on Broadway. And lets face it...he woulda owned on Broadway. He was the son of God n all.

[RickThunderclees]

In my opinion, I think Jesus would be better in RENT...or the Lion King perhaps. People wouldn't appreciate him as an actor if all he did was play himself.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Obviously you're not a golfer...

Huh?


Dude look at the girl on the right...she got crack eyes?
Something.

[RickThunderclees]

Huh?



Something.

Big Lebowski, didn't make much since in the movie, and it didn't make much sense on the board...which is why I chose it I guess.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

In my opinion, I think Jesus would be better in RENT...or the Lion King perhaps. People wouldn't appreciate him as an actor if all he did was play himself.


Jesus is Jesus. He can make his own rules on Broadway. ;)

[JeffreyWKramer]

Big Lebowski, didn't make much since in the movie, and it didn't make much sense on the board...which is why I chose it I guess.

Ah, k. Still haven't seen that movie. It's on my Netflix queue, though with about 400 other things.

[RickThunderclees]

I bet Jesus would have Netflix....either that or have invented it.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I bet Jesus would have Netflix....either that or have invented it.

But would it work the same way, or would he just have a bunch of cheap discs and turn them into whatever the subscriber wanted?

I certainly hope his wouldn't be as scratched up as some of the ones I've gotten in the mail.

[Rob Imes]

Jesus didn't rebel, but he did ask in prayer to the Father whether he could be spared the crucifixion. To quote the synoptic Gospels (NIV translation):

"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." " (Matthew 26:39)

"Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." " (Mark 14:35-36)

"He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."" (Luke 22:41-42)

"Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant's name was Malchus.) Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"" (John 18:10-11)

Jesus talks a bit about his relationship to the Father in the Gospel of John. It sounds like a relationship that is in sync with one another, not with one rebelling against the other.

"So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does." " (John 5:16-19)

[RickThunderclees]

But would it work the same way, or would he just have a bunch of cheap discs and turn them into whatever the subscriber wanted?

I certainly hope his wouldn't be as scratched up as some of the ones I've gotten in the mail.

I don't have Netflix...is that a serious problem? The scratches I mean?? Do you get a lot of them and have they ever skipped badly or been unreadable?

[JeffreyWKramer]

I don't have Netflix...is that a serious problem? The scratches I mean?? Do you get a lot of them and have they ever skipped badly or been unreadable?


Yeah, I've had to return three out of the 100 or so I've received. The first copy of THE PROPHECY they sent was cracked from center to the outer rim. The first copy of the second BOURNE movie had enough scratches to be unwatchable. One other one skipped pretty badly, too - don't recall what it was.

They didn't have GODFATHER II available for a period of a month or so earlier this year, apparently all their copies had become too damaged and they had to replace them.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

In my opinion, I think Jesus would be better in RENT....

But then there would be no story as Jesus would just keep curing them all when they get AIDS.
Unless Jesus has aids as well.

Why ask the question, when Scorsese filmed the answer?

Which film you say?

Well it could either be in Kundun or Taxi Driver, but most probably in The Last Temptation of Christ.
Willem Dafoe as Christ, Harvey Kietel as Judas and David Bowie as Pilate.
Not only that, but christ gets laid - several different times - and performs miracles to the tune of an electric guitar.

What more could you want from a film?

[JadeDragon]

But then there would be no story as Jesus would just keep curing them all when they get AIDS.
Unless Jesus has aids as well.

Why ask the question, when Scorsese filmed the answer?

Which film you say?

Well it could either be in Kundun or Taxi Driver, but most probably in The Last Temptation of Christ.
Willem Dafoe as Christ, Harvey Kietel as Judas and David Bowie as Pilate.
Not only that, but christ gets laid - several different times - and performs miracles to the tune of an electric guitar.

What more could you want from a film?

Dude.

As I was reading this thread, I was planning to post the same exact thing. Nice.

That movie illustrates a very important aspect of Jesus NOT as the "Son of God" but the other part of him that was born a human with human wants and desires as well. Everybody would like to experience the joys of "Regular" life....sex, marriage, children, growing old and enjoying life like the rest of society.

These things he passed up as part of his sacrifice in that life.

I think he has reincarnated many times since then and fulfilled some of those other human yearnings. The times and necessities will determine when he reveals his self again to the world.

I think the play of this reality is such an important love of his that he would never just disappear into omnipresent spirit and watch how this reality unfolded after his incarnation as Jesus. Why should he? God created this universe for His son, the christ consciousness that resides within us all. I think he has never left. Always there in a human body and as a transcendental spirit that is merged with the consciousness of the Father.

If you created the worlds greatest video game, wouldnt you want to go in there and experience all that hard work from within?

When you think about it, all Avatars of God, be it Rama, Krishna, Zoroaster, Buddha, Jesus, Patanjali, Babaji and so on...if an individual achieves enlightenment that his consciousness is one with the greater ocean of spirit that is Christ Consciousness...that person is awakened to the SAME consciousness. In essence, the same person. I belive all those people I just mentioned were the same guy, incarnating in different eras and inspiring people to search for the Christ consciousness living within them as well.

Albeit in different cultures draped in different symbology, art, culture and ritual, but the same basic message interpreted through different cultures.

All these avatars pointed a finger at God. While some people worshipped the finger that pointed. (Reminds me of a Bruce Lee saying....when a master points at the moon, dont stare at the finger.)

OK, Ive gotten off topic, but these kinds of threads are my jelly spot. Gets me very time.

Cheers!~~~PaTrick

[StoneGold]

Tag team with Santo in fighting vampires.

http://www.clair-obscur.ch/2003/images/jesus.jpg

[M203]

Tag team with Santo in fighting vampires.

http://www.clair-obscur.ch/2003/images/jesus.jpg

I can imagine Jesus about to be crucified taking of his robe and throwing it at the feet of Pontious Pilate, flexes a bit and Pilate freaking sweats bullets as Jesus' chest pumps muliple times. Then he says:

"I know Holy Kung Fu."

Then the asskicking commences, and ends with Jesus walking away from a burning building, and saying "Forgive them Father, for they knew not what hit them..." :eek:

No offence intended, I just keep seeing him as this badass who never needed to prove anything just because he knew he was such a badass.

[Super Sonic]

Becomes Santa Claus. <.<

[Solaris]

Hmmm.

Well, first, if he decided to play Jonah (the bible one who resisted God, not our Jonah), he probably would've lived a quiet life as a carpenter, got married, had kids, yadayada... and been miserable all his days, because he wasn't fulfilling his potential. *If* he could resist it.

As for the rest of the world...

The Roman Empire would've fallen much much sooner. The Christian religion served to reinject some ethical behavior into the rulership of the Empire, once it got in there, because the general leadership had fallen very far from their Pagan religious morals... and that was becoming fairly endemic (sp?) in their society. I think it would've fallen from internal rebellion, rather than invading Goths and Visigoths etc., though.

Hmmm. We would've seen Europe continuing to develop at a very slow pace. Perhaps more wars, perhaps less... but certainly a much less unified Europe. I think it's quite possible that eventually the Chinese (or somebody) might have carried on an Alexander-type conquest of the West, getting at least as far as Italy.

The Americas might still lie unpopulated by more than a few Europeans (and adventuring Chinese and Polynesians).

*IF*, and this is a big if, Mohammed still happened to the Arabic peoples, then we'd definitely be living in a lot of Muslim cultures. The presence of Christianity in Europe was the only thing that stopped the Islamics from going further north than Spain. (That's because Christianity---commonality of religion---served to create a "template" that could be applied across the various European countries and cultures, and created a commonality that people would respond to. And said response included taking up arms, and economic trading, etc.) With the clashes of Christianity and Islam, we saw the warring of two fairly equal powers. Take one out of the picture, and replace it with smaller, less organized groups/countries/cultures, and they're eaisier to conquer one-by-one.)

The Jewish peoples could've done this... but after the Romans, they tended to drop the "conquering" aspect of the Old Testament, and preferred mostly to simply try to live (and hopefully live well) wherever they scattered to. So while you might see Jewish merchants (a popular profession for Jews of the time, after the Diaspora) here and there, you wouldn't see them rising up in a wave to take over and convert... which means they also would not have been able to stem the Arabic flow.

The battlefields would change, with all that. After Islam had conquered Europe, I think they would've turned their attention Eastward... and you would have seen a lot of fighting in India and Eastern China and that region. Not sure how well the Indians would hold up against long periods of invaders... but the Chinese would mobilize, and they had manpower. Anyway, so instead of big wars in the Middle East (like we had during the Crusades), we would have had big wars in the Far East, with the Arabs and the Chinese as combatants.


Our world would certainly be very different, if Jesus had rejected his potential.

[RickThunderclees]

I think Jesus probably would have done a bang up job on The OC, playing Sandy Cohen.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

I don't know the details, but it involves time-travel, three hookers, a hamster, and Armageddon.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I don't know the details, but it involves time-travel, three hookers, a hamster, and Armageddon.

I'd like to see Pratchett and Gaiman write this book.

[Shellhead]

Jesus didn't rebel, but he did ask in prayer to the Father whether he could be spared the crucifixion. To quote the synoptic Gospels (NIV translation):

"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." " (Matthew 26:39)

"Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will." " (Mark 14:35-36)

"He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."" (Luke 22:41-42)

"Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant's name was Malchus.) Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"" (John 18:10-11)

Jesus talks a bit about his relationship to the Father in the Gospel of John. It sounds like a relationship that is in sync with one another, not with one rebelling against the other.

"So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working." For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does." " (John 5:16-19)

If I were Jesus, I would have rebelled, or at least thrown a big old temper tantrum. I'd be like:

"Dad, you're omniscient and omnipotent. Are you absolutely, positively sure that I need to be crucified? You can't figure out any other way to do this?"

*silence*

"You $%#%&#%$! I'm outta of here!"