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Thaddy-Boy
08-25-2005, 08:45 AM
I loved Automatic Kafka
I dug his WildC.A.T.s version3
I really love his Intimates.
I'm digging G0DLAND.

but his serieses (serii ?) always get cancelled.
What's the deal?

Mia
08-25-2005, 10:02 AM
'Cause he's a lousy story teller? The main selling points of Casey's story seems to be cussing, sex and excessive violence. No plots or character development.

Thaddy-Boy
08-25-2005, 10:51 AM
'Cause he's a lousy story teller? The main selling points of Casey's story seems to be cussing, sex and excessive violence. No plots or character development.

Uh, are you reading the same books? If anything, they are all about plot.
WildC.A.T.s was a great series. The cursing seemed natural for the character.
Intimates is great and there's hardly any violence in that one.
Automatic Kafka was an awesome surreal book.

Lubichev
08-25-2005, 11:33 AM
"Cussing, sex, and excessive violence......."

No my dear, you are thinking of Garth Ennis.

Automatic Kafka was really cool. Godland is very entertaining as well. What did you read of his that was lousy? I only ask because I need to read more books with sex, cussing, and excessive violence.

Lousy Storyteller? Nah, THAT one belongs to Winick.

mike rok lok
08-25-2005, 11:45 AM
wait....is intimates getting cancelled?

that would suck.

Bored at 3:00AM
08-25-2005, 11:49 AM
Because all art is subjective and what may seem like either brillant or lousy storytelling to you doesn't reflect how the rest of the comic buying public feel about Joe Casey's writing?

It doesn't help that his two highest profile gigs, Superman & X-Men, were by far his weakest work. I'm sure that turned a lot of potential readers away from ever trying his stuff again.

MrBeebs37
08-25-2005, 12:32 PM
I like some Casey stuff too but have to admit that his strength is ideas and concepts and his weakness is getting those ideas across in a clear way. All the books we're talking about here take a lot of work to read and understand and that sort of thing always seems to have a limited audience. I don't see that as a problem I just don't have any expectations that it's going to translate to long lifespan/loads of readers for the books.

Thaddy-Boy
08-25-2005, 01:02 PM
All the books we're talking about here take a lot of work to read and understand and that sort of thing always seems to have a limited audience. I don't see that as a problem I just don't have any expectations that it's going to translate to long lifespan/loads of readers for the books.

well put. I guess I'm more of a reader that likes a story to build. And I don't mind being challenged as a reader either (which is why i dug Auto Kafka and i love Intimates)

wait....is intimates getting cancelled?

that would suck.

I hear it ends with ish 12 :(

thik_3rd
08-25-2005, 06:05 PM
i haven't been reading intimates, and didn't know he was doing godland. i'll check out each eventually.
What did you read of his that was lousy?
uncanny x-men

thik_3rd
08-25-2005, 06:06 PM
It doesn't help that his two highest profile gigs, Superman & X-Men, were by far his weakest work. I'm sure that turned a lot of potential readers away from ever trying his stuff again.
what issues of superman did he write? i should check them out on general principles.

more casey goodness - earth's mightiest heroes & mr. majestic.

The Adventurer
08-25-2005, 06:25 PM
He's way way way too inconsistent.

I Am Legion: The Dancing Faun was awesome.

Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the biggest TURD I've ever read.

Godland is pretty cool.


Lousy Storyteller? Nah, THAT one belongs to Winick.

Someone hasn't read his Exiles run. Pure awesome.

thik_3rd
08-25-2005, 06:31 PM
Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the biggest TURD I've ever read.

crazy talk. it's one of the best comics in years.


I Am Legion: The Dancing Faun was awesome.

i never heard of this, so i looked it up. it's written by some guy named fabien nury.

The Adventurer
08-25-2005, 07:36 PM
Oh crap, you're right.

I was thinking of John Cassaday who drew it.

My bad.

grendel824
08-26-2005, 02:33 AM
'Cause he's a lousy story teller? The main selling points of Casey's story seems to be cussing, sex and excessive violence. No plots or character development.

Spoken like someone who knows less than nothing about storytelling, plots, or character development. Of even "cussing, sex, and excessive violence" for that matter... but there's no accounting for taste, right? Or literacy, I guess...

The Adventurer
08-26-2005, 03:12 AM
Actualy Earth's Mightiest Heroes is a good point on why Casey isn't that great.

For 8 issues, 8 ISSUES. NOTHING HAPPENS. And by Nothing, I mean Nothing that was new. There was so much potencial for an over arcing "untold tales" story that could have filled the cracks between the orginal stories. But NO, the only new stuff was to infuse some modern characteristics into the original incarnations of the characters. Which was good, but Not ENOUGH.

It could have been Marvel's New Frontier but it just failed.


Great art by Kolin though, he's awesome.

Frank
08-26-2005, 04:38 AM
Actually I felt that EMH was a return to form for Joe because it came from the heart and it didn`t have any other pretensions than to write the best Avengers story he could think off with his favorite characters or favorite time period. Hey you didn`t like it, fine. But you`re way off the mark on this one. Since I felt the love emanating from it.

As a whole I would say that Joe Casey went off on a Grant Morrison high concept period to try and undo Grant go to that place as a creator...not realising that Joe is not Grant; he`s Joe. Period. With his own strength and weaknesses.

I personaly think that Joe is a fantastic character writer and that`s why his best writing has always had a sort-of simpler almost crime/noir feel to them. His best works in my opinion has been the Cable run with Landrum that while played on a sci-fi/super-hero backdrop was more about a one man struggle and his inner voice and the lingering tragedy of where he was destined to go. I think it read almost like a crime novel; Same stuation with the very underrated offbeat Deathlok series wich again was very noirish about this guy stuck in a machine trying to get back to what he was, his lost memories and so forth; It`s also not surprising to me that his strongest Wildcats work were the first two storylines of Version 2 about the two opposite`leader getting killed and Serial Boxes about a super serial killer, it was so character-driven. One is almost a gang war, the other totally police suspence. I remember this two-part drawn by Steve Dillon that was so effective, not a lot of action but in term of on-the-mark characterisation, mixing realism and humour, it was so well done; his best creator-owned comic? Code Flesh. The subject? A super-powered bail agent.

If I were Joe I would genuinly rexamine myself what i`m the best at doing, and continue in that direction. For instance Joe Casey would make a terrifik crime writer. I`m telling you give him Punisher, DD or characters of that sort and see him shine.

thik_3rd
08-26-2005, 09:50 AM
Actually I felt that EMH was a return to form for Joe because it came from the heart and it didn`t have any other pretensions than to write the best Avengers story he could think off with his favorite characters or favorite time period. Hey you didn`t like it, fine. But you`re way off the mark on this one. Since I felt the love emanating from it.

As a whole I would say that Joe Casey went off on a Grant Morrison high concept period to try and undo Grant go to that place as a creator...not realising that Joe is not Grant; he`s Joe. Period. With his own strength and weaknesses.

I personaly think that Joe is a fantastic character writer and that`s why his best writing has always had a sort-of simpler almost crime/noir feel to them. His best works in my opinion has been the Cable run with Landrum that while played on a sci-fi/super-hero backdrop was more about a one man struggle and his inner voice and the lingering tragedy of where he was destined to go. I think it read almost like a crime novel; Same stuation with the very underrated offbeat Deathlok series wich again was very noirish about this guy stuck in a machine trying to get back to what he was, his lost memories and so forth; It`s also not surprising to me that his strongest Wildcats work were the first two storylines of Version 2 about the two opposite`leader getting killed and Serial Boxes about a super serial killer, it was so character-driven. One is almost a gang war, the other totally police suspence. I remember this two-part drawn by Steve Dillon that was so effective, not a lot of action but in term of on-the-mark characterisation, mixing realism and humour, it was so well done; his best creator-owned comic? Code Flesh. The subject? A super-powered bail agent.

If I were Joe I would genuinly rexamine myself what i`m the best at doing, and continue in that direction. For instance Joe Casey would make a terrifik crime writer. I`m telling you give him Punisher, DD or characters of that sort and see him shine.
even though i agree with your breakdown of emh, the rest of that is pretty off base. his best wildcats stuff was vol. 2? no way, 3.0 blew it out the water. he does the high concept sci-fi stuff better than morrison imo. put him on pun or dd and i'd be a sad casey fan.
he'd be perfect for iron man, he can combine sci-fi stuff with political and business stuff and it'd be a perfect fit.

Viking Bastard
08-26-2005, 10:20 AM
Joe Casey *would* be a good fit on Iron Man.

Sadly, the sales of Iron Man would likely plummet (not as they're that great anyway).

protonik
08-26-2005, 01:50 PM
Uh, are you reading the same books? If anything, they are all about plot.
WildC.A.T.s was a great series. The cursing seemed natural for the character.
Intimates is great and there's hardly any violence in that one.
Automatic Kafka was an awesome surreal book.

I have to agree, Casey proved himself long before Eye of the Storm on books like Cable and Wildcats vol. 2 which was cancelled only to allow for the more "mature" storytelling of 3.0 (which was AWESOME). Even his stint following Peter David on the Hulk was very good and evoked all the elements that made the Hulk click. Godland is an amazing piece of work, not only updating the Lee/Kirby approach to storytelling but taking it to the next logical level, similar to how Roger Stern had been the first original writer to touch Spider-man yet also evoke Stan Lee's classic themes. Everything else before was rehash, even my beloved Gerry Conway.

My own theory is that Casey has yet to really work with a breakout talent artist. Parsons was ok on Wildcats, Nguyen is an acquired taste, Ladronn was a throwback in a time when throwbacks weren't well received and has only been acknowledged for his work AFTER it was over. Camuncoli was interesting but too stylized. The whole problem with his Wildstorm work (and Wildstorm in general) is that it didn't have that WIldstorm style of art like Lee, Jiminez, Hitch, Booth, Portacio, Campbell and now Garza. Wildstorm in its glory days, the Ellis years, was defined by the artists that drew the books and the slick work they did. Wildstorm nowadays seems to want nothing but people who draw like Shawn Parsons and it isn't working cause his style doesn't appeal to the Wildstorm fans. If Casey were doing Wildcats 3.0 with Portacio or Jiminez, the book would have sold. Were he to have done the Intimates with Garza, it would have sold. Garza was born to do this type of book, Camuncoli... not so much.

Jason

Sleeper
08-27-2005, 08:54 AM
... serieses (serii ?) ... series is like sheep. Plural and singular at the same time.

GeorgeG
08-27-2005, 10:05 AM
Of the few times I've read his work, I found the reading to not be engaging. Anyone can have brillaint ideas and what not, but if they don't come across the printed page, they don't amount to much. I tend to stay away from his work now, because I don't find him to be all that good of a writer. That's just my opinion. Everybody has their fans, I just don't count myself in that group.

GeorgeG
08-27-2005, 10:06 AM
If I may add, I do like his Basement Tapes column here.

FunkyGreenJerusalem
08-27-2005, 06:56 PM
even though i agree with your breakdown of emh, the rest of that is pretty off base. his best wildcats stuff was vol. 2? no way, 3.0 blew it out the water.

I'd say Vol. 2 was the best.

I loved that book - thought it was among the best superhero comics I'd ever read... 3, whilst good was missing somthing.

It was like the change from X-force to X-statix. Same team, same characters etc. But it lost somthing when it became X-statix.

Automatic Kafka was absolute brilliance though.
God I loved that book.

Kriminal
08-27-2005, 10:19 PM
I'd like to make a comparison to Terry Gilliam, simply because he's on my mind w/ "The Brothers Grimm".
Gilliam is extremely individual in his vision, so is Casey, both can have success in the mainstream, but only so much success because what they do is filled with so much idiosyncrasy that it just flies past the radar of the mainstream tight rope that they both walk.

Casey, however, is different in the respect that his idiosyncrasies are very subtle and not readily apparent when you look at the "conventional" trappings of his work.

3.0 is one of my favorite comics of the past several years, and I was sad to see it go, but I'm certain that Casey will find his footing.

grendel824
08-28-2005, 01:47 AM
He NEEDS to be put on Avengers after Bendis decides to leave. After hearing him talk about the book, I'm convinced he'd have a brilliant 100-issue run.

Frank
08-28-2005, 02:21 AM
even though i agree with your breakdown of emh, the rest of that is pretty off base. his best wildcats stuff was vol. 2? no way, 3.0 blew it out the water. he does the high concept sci-fi stuff better than morrison imo. put him on pun or dd and i'd be a sad casey fan.
he'd be perfect for iron man, he can combine sci-fi stuff with political and business stuff and it'd be a perfect fit.

Wildcats 3.0 is where he lost his readership. He tried to much to undo himself in term of high concept(sentient corporation..) instead of just telling good stories. Joe`s strength is character(s). The moment he goes away from that and it`s a freefall. Better than Morrison? Hardly. Morrison heck beats even Alan Moore in that department. The Invisibles was wicked.

But I do agree that Joe could do a strong Iron Man just by looking at his Deathlok and what he accomplished with that. I even think Landrum would be the ideal partner for that since he`s a ix of new school and Kirby old school.

ElijahS23
08-28-2005, 04:20 AM
Loved WC 3.0, but thought that it just fizzled at the end w/ "CODA WAR" as if it was just a filler of a rushed ending. But I agree w/ others that the "cussing, sex, etc." wasn't gratuitous at all.
Tried INTIMATES, but only the 1st issue appealed, then nothing..
But whatever, to each his (or her) own...
I'll take ya'lls word for his SUPES and other Mainstream titles, but with all the praise for AUTOMATIC KAFKA, however, I'll definitely check it out.
I think Joe's just o-casey? (okay, see?) :D "Yo, you CORNY!" :(

Emerald Ghost
08-28-2005, 08:19 AM
I have never read anything by JC.

Indigo Al
08-28-2005, 08:59 AM
i haven't been reading intimates, and didn't know he was doing godland. i'll check out each eventually.

uncanny x-men


I think it was Uncanny X-Men that shot his rep down. That was a horrible run

VisionNick
08-28-2005, 09:32 AM
Why cant Joe Casey have a hit?

I hope that nobody's already said this- but I just dont think that Joe Casey's style is mainstream enough. Or rather that he's the type of writer who doesnt do his best work on mainstream work for hire projects, like X-Men and Superman. On those books, he never got particuarly good reviews and sales werent exceptional, and instead around what they always were, no matter who wrote those books. So his mainstream work wasnt a hit creatively or in terms of sales.

I think that he does his best and most interesting work on more original "indie" type concepts, like Wildcats and Intimates, but these type of books almost never sell in today's marketplace. Look at Sleeper, which was a great book by a much more well known writer, Ed Brubaker, and that barely sold 10K. Most of these types of books dont make it. Now interestingly, if Casey had sold a ton of X-men books then maybe these books would have sold better.

With that said, I still havent read a Joe Casey book that I really like. I tried Wildcats and I found it interesting, but ultimately confusing. I dont think that he's written his best comic yet. So, he doesnt have a hit yet for a few reasons.

grendel824
08-29-2005, 01:48 AM
I think it was Uncanny X-Men that shot his rep down. That was a horrible run

I disagree - I think it was a good run. Not the greatest, but he tried some new stuff. Did it pale in comparison with Morrison's title? Sure, but whose work wouldn't? I'm glad we got something new for awhile rather than regurgitated crap (if you're going to regurgitate, do it brilliantly - see Morrison again). It just didn't quite work, and I see no shame in it. Go back and read it again (if you haven't already - in that case, we just disagree) and i'd guess it'll be better than you remember.

I don't always love Joe Casey's stuff - but I always check it out because I know I'm at least getting something worth my time & money. He knows how to write good stories, but instead of falling back on that, he swings for the fences and tries for great stories, and that makes a difference either way. I think he's got something epic in him for the future, and stuff like Wildcats 3.0 was just a warm-up. Maybe it'll be an Avengers run, or something he owns, like Automatic Kafka (which had so much potential but died too soon - heck so did Wildcats).

thik_3rd
08-29-2005, 07:45 AM
i thought his unacanny was on par with morrison's new. at least for the time they were both on together. casey's 15? issues and morrison's first 15 or so we're equally mediocre. if casey stayed on without a huge dip in quality, he definitely would've been better than the abyssmal last 20 issues or so of morrison's run.

cactusmaac
09-03-2005, 06:21 AM
He has interesting ideas but is unable to craft compelling stories or characters.

grendel824
09-04-2005, 01:18 AM
He has interesting ideas but is unable to craft compelling stories or characters.

I love (read: think it's lame) that you can say that so matter-of-factly. For the record, I disagree. He has crafted, and continues to craft, both compelling stories and characters. "Hits" have very little to do with either in most cases, anyway.

cactusmaac
09-04-2005, 09:38 AM
'Tis only my opinion, Ed.

heystacy
09-04-2005, 11:44 AM
I loved Casey's Wildcats. It was a great read. There were some interesting develpments there. I didn't like the Coda War storyline. The momentum of the book chnaged completely. Didn't care for the Superman material. After a few issues I stopped buying it.

grendel824
09-04-2005, 03:58 PM
'Tis only my opinion, Ed.

Obviously - that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that your opinion is dumb. Not all opinions are created equal. I don't have to respect your opinion because I don't think it's respectable. That said, I'd take up arms to protect your RIGHT to say things I think are stupid.

Thaddy-Boy
09-04-2005, 07:31 PM
Obviously - that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that your opinion is dumb. Not all opinions are created equal. I don't have to respect your opinion because I don't think it's respectable. That said, I'd take up arms to protect your RIGHT to say things I think are stupid.


i'd actually let you get bludgeoned to death because your opinion was stupid.
/sarcasm

grendel824
09-05-2005, 01:29 AM
i'd actually let you get bludgeoned to death because your opinion was stupid.
/sarcasm

LOL. For the record, the "/sarcasm" shouldn't have been necessary, but then again, this is the Internet after all...

Mia
09-18-2005, 11:33 AM
He has crafted, and continues to craft, both compelling stories and characters. "Hits" have very little to do with either in most cases, anyway.


Spoken like someone who knows less than nothing about storytelling, plots, or character development. Of even "cussing, sex, and excessive violence" for that matter... but there's no accounting for taste, right? Or literacy, I guess...


Absolutely

Headhunter
09-19-2005, 11:03 PM
From what I've read, great ideas but not-so-great execution.

I really want to enjoy his work, but it keeps falling just a bit short of what I want it to be...

Viking Bastard
09-20-2005, 04:45 AM
I really want to enjoy his work, but it keeps falling just a bit short of what I want it to be...Well, there's your problem, right there.

Enjoy (or not) it for what it is, not what you want it to be.

Paradox
09-20-2005, 06:34 AM
I can't recall reading anything of Joe's except EMH, but I thought it was TERRIFIC character work.

On the other hand, I also recognize that you had to be a pretty big Avengers fan AND a fan of that kind of thing to like it.

UniqueFrequency
09-20-2005, 10:25 AM
His best works in my opinion has been the Cable run with Landrum

agreement here. i love the Casey/Ladronn run on Cable to bits. and i don't even LIKE cable.

CURSD BLADE
09-21-2005, 08:31 PM
Casey can't get a hit because of a few things

1) Timing: Everytime he is put on a mainstream superhero comic, he is overshadowed by other creative teams working within the same superhero family of titles. ?? All the hype was on Bendis and his launch of New Avengers. Superman ?? Everyone was drooling overLoeb/McGuinness on Superman. Uncanny X-Men ?? Casey was greatly over-shadowed by Morrison/Quitely's revolutionaryNew X-Men and Millar's Ultimate X-Men.

2) Writer's Strengths: as stated in earlier posts, Casey is great with abstract and indy-esque ideas. His heart seems to be firmly planted in independent type books that he can shape and bend at his will. When he is shackled down by editors and continuity of longstanding and beloved mainstream heroes, he cannot take the type of risks and introduce innovative and slightly off-the-wall ideas in titles like X-Men that he could in Wildcats 3.0 so he isn't able to utilize his greatest assests as a writer and I am sure that makes it hard for Casey to put his all into his superhero work. Also worth noting, Casey's style tends to be much more edgy and mature-reader, at least more sophisticated-reader, oriented than superhero titles are allowed to be.

3) Lack of Superstar Artist: Remember that run he had with Jim Lee? Oh, and do you recall that amazing miniseries he did with David Finch? You haven't? Well of course, its because he has yet to be paired with an artist who is as stylized and popular as the Lee's and the Turner's and the Coipel's. He was paired with Sean Philips and Dustin Nguyenfor the duration of his Wildcats work. Sure, they have developed names in the industry and are amazing talents, but are aquired tastes that will never become as huge as aGreg Land. On AK he was paired with Ashley Woods, whose work is the very definition of anti-stylized and niche. He is way too abstract and sketchy to compete for popularity with the likes of a Steve McNiven. The few times he has ever worked with highly popular artists were on MajesticwithEd McGuinnessand the first few issues of his X-Men run with Ian Churchill, both of which came way before Churchill and McGuinness were [I]The Churchill who did Supergirl and The McGuinness who did Superman/Batman.

grendel824
09-22-2005, 01:57 AM
Sure, they have developed names in the industry and are amazing talents, but are aquired tastes that will never become as huge as aGreg Land. On AKhe was paired with Ashley Woods, whose work is the very definition of anti-stylized and niche. She is way too abstract and sketchy to compete for popularity with the likes of aSteve McNiven.

Ashley Wood is a guy. And thanks, Joe, for helping me get into contact with him. Hopefully something profitable will happen for both of us because of it!

FunkyGreenJerusalem
10-03-2005, 06:06 AM
[Niven[/B]. The few times he has ever worked with highly popular artists were on MajesticwithEd McGuinnessand the first few issues of his X-Men run with Ian Churchill, both of which came way before Churchill and McGuinness were The Churchill who did [B]Supergirl...

Actually I thought they missed the boat with Churchill.

He was very big a quite a few years ago.
Can't remember what for, but I think heleft Marvel to go and work with Liefield and Loeb at Awesome comics.
I seem to remember thinking that Uncanny was somthing of a come back for him.

mail_order_arab
10-03-2005, 07:19 PM
If Joe would have stepped up to the plate with his high profile runs, I think that would have brought a wider audience (maybe) to his smaller stuff.



When Joe is on, his work knocks it out of the park, I think his first run on Wildcats was probably some of the best superhero drama being put out at the time.....while his work on Wildcats 3.0 brought more praise, I think his work with Sean Phillips was better (different strokes, different folks).



That said, I thought his X Men mini, Children of the Atom, a coupla years back, with artist Steve Rude, was awesome. In many ways, I wish he would have reintroduced the X-Men with Steve (or Sean) in the Ultimate line. Millar did a good job, but I thought he would tend to write them more as adults, and not teenagers, which Joe captured perfectly in his mini-series.

Danger Dude
01-19-2006, 01:06 PM
It was like the change from X-force to X-statix. Same team, same characters etc. But it lost somthing when it became X-statix.

The only thing they lost was a bitchin' name.

Danger Dude
01-19-2006, 01:09 PM
Can't remember what for, but I think heleft Marvel to go and work with Liefield and Loeb at Awesome comics.

Who leaves Marvel to work with Liefield?

X-Men Forever
01-19-2006, 04:52 PM
Great art by Kolin though, he's awesome.

Dude, you are trashing on Cassaday's art and praising Kolin's art?

this means that I must have missed the rapture, and now the world is filled with backwards evil stuff.

the goddamn batman
01-22-2006, 06:15 AM
because people are morons.

no casey could not get away with too much on superman or x-men, but that should go without saying.

Ashley Wood(no s) IS a GUY. HE is an amazing artist, whos work extends well beyond what is shown in AUTOMATIC KAFKA.

Automatic Kafka is one of the most brilliant comics to ever see prtint, but it sold for sh!t, so irt got cancled. check out #4. you'll never get what casey is doing in that issue, and thats the problem. he does the most amazing thing(i can't spoil it), and yet nobody gets it. is joe casey to smart for comics? no, but we could smarten up a bit, don't you think?

his most brilliant manuvers go right under the radar. slaes slump, and the big CANCELED call comes down from the editors.

i think joe casey has had many hits, it's just that most people missed it drinking beer in the parking lot. after all, automatic kafka is my favorite comic. (fell is my favorite in print comic these days)

Alex A Sanchez
02-09-2006, 02:16 AM
The only thing I have ever read by Casey was the Intimates, and it blew my socks off. It was the first book I read every time I came home with my new pile of comics (although it did suck near the end when even Casey admitted he was bored with the plot).

Sure it wasn't for everyone, I believe a lot of people complained because there were no super fights or villians. The book was about people. And it consistently delivered stories that fleshed out the characters, stories that made you want to come back to the book just to see what your friends were up to this month. And it was canceled. And I never bought another Wildstorm titles again.

josh straightedge
02-14-2006, 01:16 PM
His stuff just doesn't grab me. Funny guy in person though...

the goddamn batman
02-25-2006, 07:53 PM
I think Godland could count as a hit.

Joe also has a couple of other books that should be coming out in the next year or so. He's got another book with Ash Wood, and according to Ash, it will own! I'm pumped for that! There is atleast one other one, but I can't remember it right now.

Static-Pulse
02-25-2006, 10:29 PM
because people are morons.You are so cool. :)

the goddamn batman
02-25-2006, 11:34 PM
You are so cool. :)


Yeah I think so too! Glad your on board. :)

in all seriousness, I think Joes biggest problem is the way he tells stories. Automatic Kafka got alot of reviews saying its confusing, which it is if you just read one issue. Joe likes to take time and tell a story, and in todays market alot of people need instant gratification, or they are gone.

I dunno why wildcats 3.0 got the can, but it did.

Static-Pulse
02-26-2006, 01:35 AM
Joe likes to take time and tell a story, and in todays market alot of people need instant gratification, or they are gone.Aye. The only things I know-I-know Casey from are Mr. Majestic and The Intimates -- although, I probably have some other books of his, namely Superboy -- so I can't comment on Automatic Kafka (sadly).

However, you are right. His stories take several issues, but at the same time, they aren't exactly decompressed either. They're typically very densely written, so you get a bunch of goodies along with the main plot. Modern fanbois don't want goodies. They like mis-direction, in-jokes, tedious navel gazing, but tend to dislike the world building Casey puts into his stuff -- such as spending two pages explaining how the machine religion works in an issue of Mr. Majestic.

"Morons" is a good word for it, though I like "joyless [censored]" better. :)

the goddamn batman
02-26-2006, 02:41 AM
Oh man, get Kafka it's awesome, #4 and #9 are amazing pieces of work. They are also the two issues that step out of the main story. I love the main story, but those two stand out for their difference.


Kafka parodied our culture to a brilliant extent. I can only imagine what would have come had it continued.


Joe might never have a "hit" but I don't think Picasso sold many if any paintings in his lifetime. Doesn't mean you aren't the man.

valentine
03-07-2006, 10:35 AM
I enjoy a lot of Casey's work -- Automatic Kafka and Wildcats were great reads.
I don't mind his work on G.i. Joe either.

hex111
03-07-2006, 11:04 AM
His Iron Man: The Inevitable is SO badass... honestly, if the next Iron Man creative team for the ongoing doesn't get the numbers Marvel wants out of it... they just MIGHT consider Casey the man for the job on the regular book... as the word-of-mouth is doing pretty ok for The Inevitable and I have heard many people praise it

I loved both of his volumes of Wildcats... I still love Version 3.0 the most though... I've probably re-read it about 30 times by now

I haven't had the chance to read Automatic Kafka yet (it's in the stack of 350 Wildstorm books that I still have to read) so I'm looking forward to that...

Trusty Mutsi
03-07-2006, 11:22 AM
I really liked a Kid Flash story he did as a fill in for flash (had to do with Gorilla City), and I think the only other Casey work I liked was Majestic.

Thaddy-Boy
03-07-2006, 07:45 PM
I love this guys books. I found him through Automatic Kafka (which was so great). His WildCATS v3 was awesome and I was so disheartened by it's cancellation. Then the Intimates was freakin' awesome.
I'm hoping that G0DLAND lasts for a long time so I can see what a long running Casey book would be like.
My idea was that Kafka become a quarterly book, 96 pages long each release. I'd buy that, dude. I would love to see that book return in some form.

Casey is a great writer. Love me some Casey!!!

Huree
03-29-2006, 01:03 PM
His run on Deadpool was pretty great. funny, fun stuff

UniqueFrequency
03-29-2006, 08:50 PM
i liked his Cable and Deadpool!

the goddamn batman
03-30-2006, 06:46 AM
Joe has a new book coming out soon, as well as Godland, which is still doing quite well! I heard there is another Casey title in the works, with the return of one of comics finest writer/artist teams, I wont spoil it yet, but be stoked. :)

UniqueFrequency
03-30-2006, 06:48 AM
Joe has a new book coming out soon, as well as Godland, which is still doing quite well! I heard there is another Casey title in the works, with the return of one of comics finest writer/artist teams, I wont spoil it yet, but be stoked. :)

man i really wanna know!

my LCS didn't order the Godland TPB, still trying to look around for one so i can get started on the series