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DasPoppen
09-16-2007, 07:40 PM
Currently, Nova is one of my favorite books, constantly in my Top 5. DnA are doing an exceptional job. Considering current sales the book should be safe for the coming two years.
Joe Acro
09-16-2007, 07:43 PM
Nova is one of the most consistently well-written and well-drawn titles being published. It's too bad the art will soon change.
I say that while being fully aware that that's my opinion and that some won't find the comic enjoyable. Their loss.
The Deadpool
09-16-2007, 08:25 PM
Let's have that conversation again in a couple of months.
Annihilation ended months ago. I never read anything with Nova short of Spider Man crossovers and didn't care much for the character.
This month, Nova 6 was the best book in my pull list.
It's a brand new ballgame out there... Marvel just hasn't bothered to advertise EITHER Annihilation one bit.
Bob-el
09-16-2007, 08:32 PM
Let's have that conversation again in a couple of months.
I'd like that. Talk to you in a couple of months. Drop me a private message if you'd like when you're ready.
I'd respectfully suggest you give the mag a chance and read a couple of issues of it in the meantime. I hope you are not right because I really do think this is one of the best reads Marvel is publishing.
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 07:59 PM
I see the actuals are up for August, and I saw a few interesting developements that I wanted to comment on...
New Avengers #27 - 132,109
New Avengers #28 - 119,514
New Avengers #29 - 125,378
New Avengers #30 - 126,425
New Avengers #31 - 160,911
New Avengers #32 - 122,991
NEW AVENGERS #33 - 117,906
Basically, this book is the central Marvel book, and it's sustained sales can be attributed to constant stunts, Wolverine and Spider-Man (both of whom I STILL can see no reason that they are on the team), the book being the central MU series, and Bendis's following. There will always be a stunt to stop sales from dropping. I expect a new one very soon. Just watch.
Thor #1 - 165,325
THOR #2 - 108,609
Thor will remain a strong selling title, just like the last series was, unless the editor wrecks the series like Tom Brevoort wrecked the last one by actually thinking it was a good idea to never have an artist for more than a handful of issues after Romita Jr. left. If Marvel starts playing musical artists again, and show they CAN'T learn from mistakes (or acknowledge them), this series will shed readers fast.
Incredible Hulk #106 - 119,735
Incredible Hulk #107 - 115,912
Incredible Hulk #108 - 105,036
INCREDIBLE HULK #109 - 104,322
World War Hulk has made the Hulk a major force again. It hasn't really sold well since PAD's heyday, and he usually had a "hot" artist helping out at first.
Initiative #1 - 127,798
Initiative #2 - 103,189
Initiative #3 - 92,339
Initiative #4 - 94,773
INITIATIVE #5 - 86,536
This dropped plenty, despite being a WWH tie-in. It's a really strong series, but it's probably going to keep feeling the effects of not having any popular characters. When Hank Pym is the biggest star, it's a good bet that appeal is going to be challenging.
Captain America #20 - 47,357
Captain America #21 - 49,050
Captain America #22 - 88,276
Captain America #23 - 81,323
Captain America #24 - 82,348
Captain America #25 - 344,270
Captain America #26 - 129,365
Captain America #27 - 99,108
Captain America #28 - 89,721
CAPTAIN AMERICA #29 - 83,781
Well, the great fall continues, and I think it's quite clear that, despite what sucking up we see on the internet, in some weird attempt to curry favor, people are not interested in the Bucky show in Cap's book. If the market wasn't misread (and it was...), this story wouldn't have been extended to be some long drawn out story. Will in be in the 60-70k range at the end of the second "Cap is dead" arc? Hardly something to brag about, and it screams of failure. Remember, it's Marvel's EIC that claims sales=quality. I'd love to hear his take on this. It'll be already below CW tie in numbers after next issue.
Wolverine #44 - 111,478
Wolverine #45 - 110,662
Wolverine #46 - 107,865
Wolverine #47 - 106,201
Wolverine #48 - 99,991
Wolverine #49 - 78,807
Wolverine #50 - 117,160
Wolverine #51 - 99,636
Wolverine #52 - 97,111
Wolverine #53 - 98,441
Wolverine #54 - 96,082
Wolverine #55 - 130,707
WOLVERINE #56 - 73,368
This is heart attack inducing, and I would hope that Marvel is doing an immediate retreat on the length of this creative team. That's just ugly for a Wolverine series.
Thunderbolts #110 - 73,557
Thunderbolts #111 - 62,791
Thunderbolts #112 - 61,395
Thunderbolts #113 - 65,092
Thunderbolts #114 - 66,309
Thunderbolts #115 - 64,876
THUNDERBOLTS #116 - 52,503
I have no idea why this dropped so heavily. I would attribute the sales to Mike Deodato, as Warren Ellis has never shown himself to sell because of his name, but Ellis is the main reason that 110-115 held so remarkably strong, because it's an incredibly entertaining read. Surely, the skipped month didn't piss off 12 thousand readers. The first arc seemed to end strong and without any controversy, so I'm kinda baffled by this large drop after the behavior of the previous 6 issues. I don't think I've ever seen this before.
Iron Man #10 - 38,102
Iron Man #11 - 37,279
Iron Man #12 - 36,278
Iron Man #13 - 76,800
Iron Man #14 - 73,388
Iron Man #15 - 72,394
Iron Man #16 - 59,470
Iron Man #17 - 63,328
Iron Man #18 - 56,474
Iron Man #19 - 83,801
Iron Man #20 - 72,831
IRON MAN #21 - 49,548
From the relaunch, this has been a series of failures, and after all the IM push from CW, and all the awareness because of the highly anticipated movie, for this to have dropped so fast, and for it not to be able to sustain big interest... let's just say that I'm betting a major creative shakeup will happen before May of 2008.
The Order #1 - 57,264
THE ORDER #2 - 40,274
This is a really solid read with nice art by Barry Kitson, but Marvel definitely screwed up thinking that a series featuring a bunch of nobodies would be a safer bet than a series featuring Beta Ray Bill, USAgent, and the Alpha Flight mythos.
Omega Flight #1 of 5 - 71,205
Omega Flight #2 of 5 - 57,239
Omega Flight #3 of 5 - 55,695
Omega Flight #4 of 5 - 52,271
OMEGA FLIGHT #5 Of 5 - 48,886
Marvel lost Scot Kolins after this debacle, and Mike Oeming has got to be frustrated and confused about what he needs to do for Marvel to show any faith in him. He's actually shown ability and has not had anything he's written drop drastically, so I'm confused, too.
StoneGold
09-25-2007, 08:06 PM
I see the actuals are up for August, and I saw a few interesting developements that I wanted to comment on...
New Avengers #27 - 132,109
New Avengers #28 - 119,514
New Avengers #29 - 125,378
New Avengers #30 - 126,425
New Avengers #31 - 160,911
New Avengers #32 - 122,991
NEW AVENGERS #33 - 117,906
Basically, this book is the central Marvel book, and it's sustained sales can be attributed to constant stunts, Wolverine and Spider-Man (both of whom I STILL can see no reason that they are on the team), the book being the central MU series, and Bendis's following. There will always be a stunt to stop sales from dropping. I expect a new one very soon. Just watch.
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Which amounts to little more than "why does everyone like this book that I don't? You must all be stupidheads!!!"
drwho
09-25-2007, 08:17 PM
I have to disagree with your comments about Captain America. It has to drop at least below normal numbers before I would say people don't like Bucky.
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 08:18 PM
Which amounts to little more than "why does everyone like this book that I don't? You must all be stupidheads!!!"
Which amounts to little more than "I kiss Bendis's ass so much than anytime somebody dares say he's not the greatest, I stand up to defend his honor in hope that I'll get brownie points".
:D
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 08:22 PM
I have to disagree with your comments about Captain America. It has to drop at least below normal numbers before I would say people don't like Bucky.
I don't think it's a fair assessment to go by past numbers. The death of Cap sold amazingly well, and the 5 part mini series didn't have any problem sustaining interest, but inside of 4 issues, cap dropped almost 50,000 readers who gave it a chance. There's no way to spin that as anything but failure, and the bleeding isn't done yet. .
DasPoppen
09-25-2007, 08:37 PM
Thor #1 - 165,325
THOR #2 - 108,609
Thor will remain a strong selling title, just like the last series was, unless the editor wrecks the series like Tom Brevoort wrecked the last one by actually thinking it was a good idea to never have an artist for more than a handful of issues after Romita Jr. left. If Marvel starts playing musical artists again, and show they CAN'T learn from mistakes (or acknowledge them), this series will shed readers fast.
That's actually a pretty nasty drop, nearly 35%. It might be down to variant covers on #1 but my guess is a lot of people didn't like the slow pace of it. Let's see how #3 did, when Thor got to beat on Iron Man.
Wolverine #44 - 111,478
Wolverine #45 - 110,662
Wolverine #46 - 107,865
Wolverine #47 - 106,201
Wolverine #48 - 99,991
Wolverine #49 - 78,807
Wolverine #50 - 117,160
Wolverine #51 - 99,636
Wolverine #52 - 97,111
Wolverine #53 - 98,441
Wolverine #54 - 96,082
Wolverine #55 - 130,707
WOLVERINE #56 - 73,368
This is heart attack inducing, and I would hope that Marvel is doing an immediate retreat on the length of this creative team. That's just ugly for a Wolverine series.
#56 was a one-shot. #57 is the start of Guggenheim's next arc so let's see how it will sell. But I guess 70-80k is just the normal range for the book if it is not part of a major event or written by a 'super star writer'.
The Order #1 - 57,264
THE ORDER #2 - 40,274
This is a really solid read with nice art by Barry Kitson, but Marvel definitely screwed up thinking that a series featuring a bunch of nobodies would be a safer bet than a series featuring Beta Ray Bill, USAgent, and the Alpha Flight mythos.
A 30% drop. That's pretty sad as I personally think the book is pretty good. But the numbers should be enough to sustain at least 20 issues of the series.
Omega Alpha
09-25-2007, 08:38 PM
I don't think it's a fair assessment to go by past numbers. The death of Cap sold amazingly well, and the 5 part mini series didn't have any problem sustaining interest, but inside of 4 issues, cap dropped almost 50,000 readers who gave it a chance. There's no way to spin that as anything but failure, and the bleeding isn't done yet. .
:rolleyes: (the best thing i can use to not be, um, not very polite)
The Death of Cap. issue got national coverage, and it was a once in a lifetime seller, actually selling more than Civil War. Afterwards, sales have to go back to a more normal level. No one was expecting this book to outsell AXM or New Avengers every month. It still sells 40,000 copies more than it was selling before, and sells more than Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-men, Wolverine Origins, two out of three Spider-Man titles, more than what Hulk sells normally, etc.
And the drop in Wolverine was because it is a fill in issue, don't make a scandal.
DasPoppen
09-25-2007, 08:43 PM
And I would like to add the following:
Nova #1 - 42,917
Nova #2 - 44,532
Nova #3 - 45,004
Nova #4 - 40,173
NOVA #5 - 39,543
Nova has become my favorite book. Good to see that numbers are consistent - at least as long as Annihilation: Conquest is ongoing. I really hope that Nova can maintain its sales level and we will see a long, long run by DnA. Buy more Nova, people!!!
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 09:31 PM
:rolleyes: (the best thing i can use to not be, um, not very polite)
The Death of Cap. issue got national coverage, and it was a once in a lifetime seller, actually selling more than Civil War. Afterwards, sales have to go back to a more normal level. No one was expecting this book to outsell AXM or New Avengers every month. It still sells 40,000 copies more than it was selling before, and sells more than Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-men, Wolverine Origins, two out of three Spider-Man titles, more than what Hulk sells normally, etc.
And the drop in Wolverine was because it is a fill in issue, don't make a scandal.
A scandal? Drama queen much?
I'm going to explain (and I HATE having to explain SIMPLE things. It's really a pet peeve of mine, so I apologize if my frustration shines through!) about the Cap situation. Use some common sense here. Quit trying to spin it, I'm getting dizzy. The sales can be attributed to nothing but the event and great marketing. THAT is what raised sales on Cap initially. The lack of interest at the rate of almost 50,000 in 4 months is the telling tale. Nobody expected it to retain all the readers, but I'll guarantee nobody was expecting that drop. You're very confused about this. Try to think about it a bit more, and I'm sure that you'll understand why this is NOT a good thing.
Expletive Deleted
09-25-2007, 09:31 PM
The rest of the sales numbers for August can be found here (http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/25/marvel-month-to-month-sales-august-2007/).
Expletive Deleted
09-25-2007, 09:35 PM
... but I'll guarantee nobody was expecting that drop.What makes you say that?
Monty_Cristo
09-25-2007, 09:40 PM
Which amounts to little more than "why does everyone like this book that I don't? You must all be stupidheads!!!"
it's kind of true. i bet it's the same people who have, begrudgingly, bought Wolverine Origins. it has nothing to do with the quality of the books. it's about people being sheep/wanting to be part of something "big" imo. they know Wolverine is popular, so they buy stuff with him in it. same with a book with both Wolverine and Spider-man in it. would you, personally, read New Avengers if Spider-man and Wolverine weren't in it?
Expletive Deleted
09-25-2007, 09:52 PM
There could very well be a bandwagon factor. Quantifying it, though, isn't easy to do, and it seems like a lot of the time we deliberately assume that it's huge in order to justify our own prejudices.
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 09:52 PM
What makes you say that?
I guess it's just a gut feeling and good old common sense. After the big death issue, almost 130 thousand orders were placed. No media hype or anything, just curious readers wanting to see what happened next. Before the story arc ends, it's heading for the mid 70k range, unless a drastic and unexplained situation happens.
Newsarama has it's monthly Cap/Ed feature, buzz is going strong, people are declaring it "better than when Cap was in the book", Ed won the Eisner and the series was nominated... It had all the ingredients for big success beyond the initial hype, but Marvel got greedy after misreading the market, and wanted to drain this thing for all they could. Turns out, the interest wasn't actually there, and that's what is causing the steep drop. Since nobody ever said it would drop sharply after issue 26 (not to be confused with issue 25), I'll guarantee nobody thought it. You know how the net is. Do you think anybody would have sat on that info?
Monty_Cristo
09-25-2007, 09:54 PM
There could very well be a bandwagon factor. Quantifying it, though, isn't easy to do, and it seems like a lot of the time we deliberately assume that it's huge in order to justify our own prejudices.
yeah, it's definately the way i see it. but i can't help but think i'm right. i'm very good at spotting entertainment. and, from my experience, the better a form of entertainment is; the fewer people gravitate towards it. of course, i also believe that the majority of people are stupid. :)
Kefky
09-25-2007, 09:55 PM
And I would like to add the following:
Nova #1 - 42,917
Nova #2 - 44,532
Nova #3 - 45,004
Nova #4 - 40,173
NOVA #5 - 39,543
Nova has become my favorite book. Good to see that numbers are consistent - at least as long as Annihilation: Conquest is ongoing. I really hope that Nova can maintain its sales level and we will see a long, long run by DnA. Buy more Nova, people!!!
Not to be a jerk, 'cause I'm digging the book too, but those are sales numbers with tie-ins. The book's been having those since issue 2. And soon as they're gone, and it has to survive on its own... Well, the results might not be pretty.
Fingers crossed, though.
Capt USA
09-25-2007, 09:58 PM
you really think they didn't expect a 50k drop on Cap? the goal was to increase readership and going from 40k+ to 80k+ is a tremendous increase, you are reading way too much into the peak issues, which nobody with any common sense would have expected it to maintain, heck I doubt that 80k is what they were shooting for, 60k is a tremendous upswing which is tough to maintain in this market with a character like cap.
Kefky
09-25-2007, 10:05 PM
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the book goes back to selling in the mid-'40's like it was before. Not being pessimistic or hateful, it's just the reality of the business.
Jake V
09-25-2007, 10:18 PM
Here's the real month-to-month sales analysis, in case anyone's interested:
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2007/09/25/marvel-month-to-month-sales-august-2007/
StoneGold
09-25-2007, 10:29 PM
Which amounts to little more than "I kiss Bendis's ass so much than anytime somebody dares say he's not the greatest, I stand up to defend his honor in hope that I'll get brownie points".
:D
Hell, I'm not even a member of his forum. At best, he's an OK writer to me. But come on, the book has been coasting on gimmicks for over 30 months? Do you want to explain how that works? And since it obviously does, why in the world would they want to stop doing gimmicks? Because it is consistently the number one book. Can you explain to me why they'd stop?
And for the record, the only creators I butt kiss to are underrated talents like Pat Zircher.
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 10:46 PM
you really think they didn't expect a 50k drop on Cap? the goal was to increase readership and going from 40k+ to 80k+ is a tremendous increase, you are reading way too much into the peak issues, which nobody with any common sense would have expected it to maintain, heck I doubt that 80k is what they were shooting for, 60k is a tremendous upswing which is tough to maintain in this market with a character like cap.
Getting dizzy here. I already explained in in the simplest way possible. Covering your ears and repeating "I'mnotlisteningtoyouI'mnotlisteningtoyouI'mnotlist eningtoyou..." isn't going to make the situation any better.
Use some common sense. You claim to have it, but aren't showing it in this defense here.
StoneGold
09-25-2007, 10:53 PM
Getting dizzy here. I already explained in in the simplest way possible. Covering your ears and repeating "I'mnotlisteningtoyouI'mnotlisteningtoyouI'mnotlist eningtoyou..." isn't going to make the situation any better.
Use some common sense. You claim to have it, but aren't showing it in this defense here.
If I say this doesn't take into effect trade paperback sales, which on a book like this is rather key, is he going to call me mean names?
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 10:53 PM
Hell, I'm not even a member of his forum. At best, he's an OK writer to me. But come on, the book has been coasting on gimmicks for over 30 months? Do you want to explain how that works? And since it obviously does, why in the world would they want to stop doing gimmicks? Because it is consistently the number one book. Can you explain to me why they'd stop?
And for the record, the only creators I butt kiss to are underrated talents like Pat Zircher.
Sure, I'll explain.
It started off with a 6 issue arc that didn't introduce Wolverine until late. It had variant covers. It cashed in on HOM. It cashed in on CW. It cashed in on this Skrull reveal. Every time you turn around, it's cashing in.
And I never said they should stop, if that's the only way they can sell books. I'm sure they'd rather get by on great stories, but they'll have no problem settling for what they've gotten (which isn't horrible just because it's not been great) and continue doing these stunts to sustain readership. That's doesn't mean that it's great. X-Men was consistantly the #1 book for YEARS. Didn't mean it was always great, because it wasn't. Sometimes it flat out sucked, but still sold because of these types of hyped gimmicks.
Capt USA
09-25-2007, 11:24 PM
Getting dizzy here. I already explained in in the simplest way possible. Covering your ears and repeating "I'mnotlisteningtoyouI'mnotlisteningtoyouI'mnotlist eningtoyou..." isn't going to make the situation any better.
Use some common sense. You claim to have it, but aren't showing it in this defense here.
you haven't used anything resembling common sense, you have been bagging on cap sales as being totally driven by gimmick, when your own numbers show basically a sustained 30k increase due to the gimmick, and instead you are focusing on it not maintaining a 130k increase which nobody at marvel would have thought was possible. It's a solo book, with a relatively standard character (I mean c'mon the british can't write/comprehend captain america and they are currently a good chunk of the better writers out there, when you have fans of benny hill like millar and jenkins writing cap it gives you an idea of how poorly understood this character really is) it's not a dark dumb book (i.e. wolverine) it's not a character that is as easily relateable to the average reader of comics(spidey) it's not a team book with the biggest names(avengers) and it's not a new series (thor) so of course it's not going to sell, the fact that it's one of the highest selling solo books out there is impressive. The fact that it was able to take relatively modest sales (40-50k) and stabilize at around 80k is a testament to the power of the book. Nobody thinks a solo book starring anyone other than superman/batman/spidey/wolverine is capable of consistently putting up 100k in this market. Thor will be below 50k within six months and Marvel already knows this. It's basic common sense.
Dusty.
09-25-2007, 11:41 PM
you haven't used anything resembling common sense, you have been bagging on cap sales as being totally driven by gimmick, when your own numbers show basically a sustained 30k increase due to the gimmick, and instead you are focusing on it not maintaining a 130k increase which nobody at marvel would have thought was possible. It's a solo book, with a relatively standard character (I mean c'mon the british can't write/comprehend captain america and they are currently a good chunk of the better writers out there, when you have fans of benny hill like millar and jenkins writing cap it gives you an idea of how poorly understood this character really is) it's not a dark dumb book (i.e. wolverine) it's not a character that is as easily relateable to the average reader of comics(spidey) it's not a team book with the biggest names(avengers) and it's not a new series (thor) so of course it's not going to sell, the fact that it's one of the highest selling solo books out there is impressive. The fact that it was able to take relatively modest sales (40-50k) and stabilize at around 80k is a testament to the power of the book. Nobody thinks a solo book starring anyone other than superman/batman/spidey/wolverine is capable of consistently putting up 100k in this market. Thor will be below 50k within six months and Marvel already knows this. It's basic common sense.
You don't even know what common sense is, obviously. Keep spinning things if it makes it easier for you to sleep, though. It doesn't change reality, but at least you will be well rested.
leeisl
09-26-2007, 12:40 AM
Wolverine #44 - 111,478
Wolverine #45 - 110,662
Wolverine #46 - 107,865
Wolverine #47 - 106,201
Wolverine #48 - 99,991
Wolverine #49 - 78,807
Wolverine #50 - 117,160
Wolverine #51 - 99,636
Wolverine #52 - 97,111
Wolverine #53 - 98,441
Wolverine #54 - 96,082
Wolverine #55 - 130,707
WOLVERINE #56 - 73,368
This is heart attack inducing, and I would hope that Marvel is doing an immediate retreat on the length of this creative team. That's just ugly for a Wolverine series.
Heart attack?:confused: "length of this creative team"?:confused:
Considering how #56 was a one-off fill in issue between arcs there is nothing that off about those numbers.
Expletive Deleted
09-26-2007, 06:22 AM
Cut it with the ad hominems, folks.
Thanks.
Nevets F
09-26-2007, 07:04 AM
From the ariticle itself regarding sales for Captain America:
"...we’re now back at CIVIL WAR crossover levels. But those were still way above the book’s normal sales, so there’s still a realistic possibility of the book getting a significant long-term increase out of this."
Your Imaginary Pal
09-26-2007, 07:19 AM
I'm just confused about the Initiative #5
I don't see how it dropped so much, because it was sold out at all 4 of the comic shops I frequent. I only found a copy last week.
How could no stores have copies left, but it still have that much of a drop in sales. something is amiss here.
Nevets F
09-26-2007, 07:26 AM
They may have had no copies left because they ordered fewer copies, under-estimating the demand.
40yearoldnovafan
10-01-2007, 08:37 AM
Nova sold in the 39,000 area (as opposed to 42,000). What bothers me is what is selling more than he.
- Supergirl
- The Order (I know, an event title)
- Ghost Rider
- The Last Fantastic Four (Stan Lee's name)
- Black Panther (I'm black, but still very very surprised)
- Punisher War Journal
- Wonder Woman
- Amazons Attack
- The New Avengers/Transformers
There are more that shock me, but I will not mention them. I guess some people are just used to what they buy and will not give a newer title a read. I know some have reached their limit on what they will spend.
Jimmy
Karl H
10-01-2007, 08:41 AM
Personally I bought the original Annihilation in trades and will wait for trades for Conquest and Nova (depending how the tie-ins work).
Fatguy
10-01-2007, 10:58 AM
I thought Nova sold more than the Order did?
Iron Fist, Nova, and the Order are all evidently criminally undersold. It also seems New Warriors is not doing well, though that one...its a bit understandable.
Magneto Rocks
10-01-2007, 11:01 AM
Nova sold in the 39,000 area (as opposed to 42,000). What bothers me is what is selling more than he.
- Supergirl
- The Order (I know, an event title)
- Ghost Rider
- The Last Fantastic Four (Stan Lee's name)
- Black Panther (I'm black, but still very very surprised)
- Punisher War Journal
- Wonder Woman
- Amazons Attack
- The New Avengers/Transformers
There are more that shock me, but I will not mention them. I guess some people are just used to what they buy and will not give a newer title a read. I know some have reached their limit on what they will spend.
Jimmy
Black Panther's tying in with a more popular title, Punisher is probably still riding to some small degree the wave of hype from Cap's death, THe Order is flat out better...
But I don't see why you're surprised at Wonder Woman (one of DC's premiere heroes/arguably the biggest heroine in comics), Amazons Attack (yes it was AWFUL but it was an event) and Supergirl (reasonably big name, bigger than Nova anyway) outselling it.
Darkoth
10-01-2007, 11:36 AM
I think the art on Nova is a little stiff, it really pales next to what I've seen in the "Sinestro Corps" books over at the distinguished competition. They should give it to the fill in guy, who draws a more dynamic and fluid page. Eye catching fem fatale covers of late though.
Brother Zag
10-01-2007, 02:39 PM
I'm not saying it's bad. I haven't read it. I'm saying that Nova is not a viable character and that his series have failed to create any significant amount of excitement.
Quoted for TROLL!
Viable Character? Created in the 70s, active today. 30 some odd years of viability doesn't work for you, huh?
Any significant amount of excitement? How about the success of the first Annihilation event? Launched quietly beside THE EVENT of last year for Marvel, the CIVIL WAR, Annihilation generated enough "excitement" (IE sales) to merit a new ongoing series for it's primary character, (ahem) NOVA!!, to warrant a new ongoing series AND a sequel event. The facts easily dispute your opinion, troll.
40yearoldnovafan
10-01-2007, 07:08 PM
Black Panther's tying in with a more popular title, Punisher is probably still riding to some small degree the wave of hype from Cap's death, THe Order is flat out better...
But I don't see why you're surprised at Wonder Woman (one of DC's premiere heroes/arguably the biggest heroine in comics), Amazons Attack (yes it was AWFUL but it was an event) and Supergirl (reasonably big name, bigger than Nova anyway) outselling it.
I recently dropped Supergirl and Wonder Woman. Both have had too many creative changes too often. The writing has been poor (imho). Wonder Woman was only coming out once every blue moon.
That's why I'm surprised with those two books sales.
Jimmy
Jinxer
10-01-2007, 08:19 PM
First off, I love Omega Flight. The whole 'Canadian Super Team made up of Americans and an Alien' was the funniest thing I have ever read.
Second, the Nova run is still relatively young. An Issue #1 is always a big seller because everyone is curious about the comic. The current numbers may just be bolstered by Annihilation readers, wait until the issue after Annihilation before making any final judgments about Nova.
Personally I really like Nova. I also really like the idea of rebuilding the Nova corps on par with the GLC (yeah it's almost a rip off, but that doesn't mean it won't be a good read). Also, bring back girl Nova :( plz plz plz
40yearoldnovafan
10-02-2007, 08:29 AM
I think the art on Nova is a little stiff, it really pales next to what I've seen in the "Sinestro Corps" books over at the distinguished competition. They should give it to the fill in guy, who draws a more dynamic and fluid page. Eye catching fem fatale covers of late though.
Chen's "stiffness" or lack of dynamism was one of the small concerns I had when it was announced he would become the artist for Nova. But I have enjoyed his art. His art has been solid, crisp, and you can tell what is going on the faces of the characters. We culd have done far far far worse (Ramos, anyone).
DaeJi
10-02-2007, 09:37 AM
Nova's sells look to be healthy. Since it's a cosmic book, I never expected it to sell like hot cakes. But more people should really check it out, because it's just good stuff.
Wizard agrees with me ;): http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006040810.cfm
Nova3333
10-02-2007, 10:14 AM
Nova's sells look to be healthy. Since it's a cosmic book, I never expected it to sell like hot cakes. But more people should really check it out, because it's just good stuff.
Wizard agrees with me ;): http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/006040810.cfm
Very Very good of Wizard to do this promo. Now only if Marvel did the same we'd all be happy..and by the way they should give a good bit of support to all of Conquest. Anyway looking forward to what's coming next; especially next issue!
is there a link to see the sales chart for Marvel and Dc month to month sales for nov
I just like to see how well the comics are doing
DasPoppen
12-10-2007, 02:06 AM
Numbers for November are not out yet.
For earlier months you can check the numbers and read analysises here:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/1850.html
or here
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/category/sales-charts/
I thought it was posted at the begining of the month its not at the beat
Walter Hill
06-08-2008, 08:38 AM
Is this information posted?
Expletive Deleted
06-08-2008, 09:50 AM
Yes. Paul O'Brien's analysis and commentary for April (http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2008/06/05/marvel-month-to-month-sales-april-2008/).
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