The Red Hood/Hush Answers ... Possible Spoilers

[insider]

spoiler spoiler read if you only want the truth.


Redhood is Jason as we all know and Hush is Thomas Wayne. How can this be? Max lord brought both of them back to life with one of the lazarus pit to finally push Batman over the edge. You will see this all unfold in about a year.



The Insider

[Nick Kal]

Sources? Sounds untruthful with the whole Thomas Wayne thing.

[insider]

I sadly can not tell you who my source was do th the fact the person WILL loose a ver nice job , I can only tell you this that all the clue have been there all along. example. About Hush. He is a great DR. who knows the past of Bruce and Thomas Elliot. If more is needed Please ask


The Insider

[Nick Kal]

Well what other clues can you give? Because that applies to Elliot too. He knows about the past and is a surgeon. Why would they bring back Bruce's dead father. That seems like it'll never happen...

[insider]

Why did they bring back Thomas Wayne? Same reason they brought back Jason. To break the bat. Look at the hype Knightfall brought to batman many years ago. Batman was broken Physicaly but not Mentaly. DC will finaly Break the bat by breaking his strongest weapon his mind. Plus DC will sell more comics until the hype bites them in the ass.


Insider


P.S Dc always does a little tease to see how the reader act to things. It took almost two years for Jason to to be returned after the events from Hush. Rember "death and Maidens" that was to test the water of Thomas Waynes return.

[Nick Kal]

How so? What are some of these clues?

[The Red Hood]

Why did they bring back Thomas Wayne? Same reason they brought back Jason. To break the bat. Look at the hype Knightfall brought to batman many years ago. Batman was broken Physicaly but not Mentaly. DC will finaly Break the bat by breaking his strongest weapon his mind. Plus DC will sell more comics until the hype bites them in the ass.


Insider


P.S Dc always does a little tease to see how the reader act to things. It took almost two years for Jason to to be returned after the events from Hush. Rember "death and Maidens" that was to test the water of Thomas Waynes return.

Not sure how to avoid sounding rude here, so screw it.

You would think someone who is an "insider" would have a better command of grammar and punctuation, no?

Not to mention that it's very clear that you offer no consistent evidence to back up your claims. You also recently registered here, which I take to mean you decided to sign up to start trouble with false "insider info" like this.

Bring us some cogently-constructed and substantiated ideas and information, and we'll begin to consider taking you seriously.

The Red Hood

[Rich L]

On the other hand - just to play devil's advocate - if it was Thomas Wayne, that might explain the Batman spoiler for One Year Later.

But it sounds like crap to me.

[bushboy]

It seems that ssomeone wants to be infamous.

[PrimalScream]

y wud thomas wayne want to kill his own son?and he has been dead for years (i thot a lazurus pit only worked on the recently departed). i agree this cud happen some way some how but it would b like making jonathon kent a mass murderer in superman books.

[insider]

Not sure how to avoid sounding rude here, so screw it.

You would think someone who is an "insider" would have a better command of grammar and punctuation, no?

Not to mention that it's very clear that you offer no consistent evidence to back up your claims. You also recently registered here, which I take to mean you decided to sign up to start trouble with false "insider info" like this.

Bring us some cogently-constructed and substantiated ideas and information, and we'll begin to consider taking you seriously.

The Red Hood


I hope everyone thinks the way you do. Safer for me


As for the Pits wait till Ra's comes back to learn the true healing power of the pits.

Insider

[Huh?]

It would make absolutely no sense for DC to bring back Thomas Wayne, and would probably ruin Batman as a character.

As for the "Insider," - He hardly seems reliable.

[LukeRed5]

It would make absolutely no sense for DC to bring back Thomas Wayne, and would probably ruin Batman as a character.

As for the "Insider," - He hardly seems reliable.

Completely agree. Let's hope someone at Marvel doesn't bring Uncle Ben back as some rogue new villian!

[xnef1025]

Completely agree. Let's hope someone at Marvel doesn't bring Uncle Ben back as some rogue new villian!

Uncle Ben? He's the Swordsman. I read it on the Internet :D

[Nefarius]

Uncle Ben? He's the Swordsman. I read it on the Internet :D
No,he will be the new herald of Galactus :p

[Kid Seven]

No,he will be the new herald of Galactus :p


The Senior Surfer? ;)

[Windbreaker]

It would make absolutely no sense for DC to bring back Thomas Wayne, and would probably ruin Batman as a character.

As for the "Insider," - He hardly seems reliable.
Totally agree with both comments.

1) Batman is DRIVEN by his parents' murder. And as far as the "breaking the Bat" comment from Insider... no way DC writes a carbon copy story of that tale. If Thomas Wayne was Hush, DC editorial would have a HUGE task before them! Not simply justifying the move, but explaining why on earth Thomas would do all the things Hush as done. The episode with Alfred? Come on! Forget whether or not Thomas Wayne is sacred territory - it just doesn't make good sense.

2) 4 total posts... a newcomer with a bombshell like that? I'm not buying it.

[Guts/Batman]

Post count doesn't matter in the least.

However, Insider. Do you really expect people to believe you if you give no source. You don't even have to name the person, just give a title or something; some clue as to the rumor is initiated by.

And he is right. Run-on sentences will not help your credibility.

It reaaalllllly doesn't make sense for Hush to be Thomas Wayne. His behavior before he was killed is a good indication. Why would he want to kill his son?

However, we all know that the lazerus pits make a person go a wee crazy. But it makes those dipped in the pits crazy TEMPORARILY.

I wouldn't put it past Max to do something like that.

While it is true we have no idea on the time frame of Hush. At least, I don't.

And one final thing, I have said this before and I do mean it: If DC was to do this I would lose all respect for DC.

[bones mccoy]

thomas wayne jr. bruce's insane brother??

has he been introduced yet in post crisis contuinity?
making him huish might actually make sense.

[Guts/Batman]

How would he know about Tommy? About those specific memories of Bruce and Tommy's time together in Gotham City when Alan Scott and someone fought in the sky.

[CjP]

It's obvious, guys:


Emperor Joker never really ended. :D

[bannermanonemillion]

It's obvious, guys:


Emperor Joker never really ended. :D

Y'know, if DC were to do a story where Emperor Joker returned and Bruce was offered the power to take him down once and for all.........and Bruce actually said yes, that'd heal a major wound in Bruce's mind.

Just a passing thought, feel free to ignore.

Oh, and Thomas Wayne as Hush? Seriously demented and I don't think DC has the collective cojones to try such a thing.

[bones mccoy]

Y'know, if DC were to do a story where Emperor Joker returned and Bruce was offered the power to take him down once and for all.........and Bruce actually said yes, that'd heal a major wound in Bruce's mind.

Just a passing thought, feel free to ignore.

Oh, and Thomas Wayne as Hush? Seriously demented and I don't think DC has the collective cojones to try such a thing.

nah... Dc would make sure it was Martha wayne....

[1HELLBOY]

Yeah, this will never happen. Unless...


Tommy(or whoever Hush is) made himself LOOK like Thomas Wayne. Plastic Surgory can do wonders. And THAT'S what drives Bruce over the edge and sends him to Arkham in One Year Later. THIS explanation would make the most sense. At least, to me.

[insider]

Spoiler if anyone cares to believe.




1. Ra's comes back much more disturbed. Ra is much more dangerus now since his mind is completly twisted. The story will be the more damaged the body is the longer it must soak in the pits. The longer you soak the more insain you become.

2. Redhood and Hush team up. Dc is going to show how Hush and Redhood have been allies since the begining. (poor Joker)

3. Cassandra REAL mother is revieled. (the soap opera begins)

4. Another Thomas (meow) is in Gotham alot (not another John Paul)

5. Alfred rembers seeing Thomas Elliot while being held by Hush. Batman must go and find out who Hush is

6. The revalation and then the break down of the bat

When you start to see these things happening you can then make a sound judgement. Rember some companies get tired of being second all the time and you can only do so many stories until the unthinkable must happen.

Please keep the bad and the good thoughts coming because the fan boys must be prepaired for the up coming advents

Insider

[EDmanwalking]

I'm going with 1Hellboy here. The only way I'll even accept this is if the alleged Thomas Wayne isn't actually him, and then from that Jason Todd isn't the real deal either. It was just a big ploy to drive Bruce nuts and it works. I wasn't too fussed about Jason Todd's return, but Thomas Wayne is just ridiculous. This source isn't even credible, just some random trying to stir up controversy.

However, if all this does turn out to be true, I'm gonna be very scared..

[The Red Hood]

Spoiler if anyone cares to believe.




1. Ra's comes back much more disturbed. Ra is much more dangerus now since his mind is completly twisted. The story will be the more damaged the body is the longer it must soak in the pits. The longer you soak the more insain you become.

2. Redhood and Hush team up. Dc is going to show how Hush and Redhood have been allies since the begining. (poor Joker)

3. Cassandra REAL mother is revieled. (the soap opera begins)

4. Another Thomas (meow) is in Gotham alot (not another John Paul)

5. Alfred rembers seeing Thomas Elliot while being held by Hush. Batman must go and find out who Hush is

6. The revalation and then the break down of the bat

When you start to see these things happening you can then make a sound judgement. Rember some companies get tired of being second all the time and you can only do so many stories until the unthinkable must happen.

Please keep the bad and the good thoughts coming because the fan boys must be prepaired for the up coming advents

Insider

You give NO credible evidence to substantiate your completely ridiculous claims.

This is nothing more than your own fan-wank, and you're simply trying to pass it off as "insider info."

And please, don't tell me to "keep thinking like this." I'm not trying to support your delusion here. I just think you're full of s***.

'Hood

[insider]

You'll just have to wait and see wont you Redhood.

Thank you for your oppinion Redhood.




Insider

[sixstringguild]

If Hush is Thomas Wayne, Batman will have officially "jumped the shark" and it will be time to can the Batman mythos and start over from scratch (no more Bruce Wayne)...

...and we all know that would never happen. I wouldn't be surprised if Hush dug up Batman's parent's graves and waved their skeletons in front of him or something and he loses it...only, he kills Hush as Bruce Wayne and turns himself in...thus leading to the stint in Arkham.

Does anyone remember any previous Batman story where a villain digs up the skeletons of Thomas and Martha Wayne?

[El Castigador]

y wud thomas wayne want to kill his own son?and he has been dead for years (i thot a lazurus pit only worked on the recently departed). i agree this cud happen some way some how but it would b like making jonathon kent a mass murderer in superman books.

exactly Primal Scream got it right the pit only works on the recently dead in example in the absolute power arc of Supes ans Bats where dig up dead heroes to battle Ra's and its stated that since they have been dead for years their revival is very short to the point supe or bat i forget stated that they needed to take down Ra's a fast as possible

[Guts/Batman]

Does anyone remember any previous Batman story where a villain digs up the skeletons of Thomas and Martha Wayne?


Besides JLA: Tower of Babel?

[Windbreaker]

Please keep the bad and the good thoughts coming because the fan boys must be prepaired for the up coming advents
THE "Advent"? The 4 Sundays leading up to Christmas? Or the advent of Infinite Crisis? Or "events" maybe?

You'll just have to wait and see wont you Redhood. Thank you for your oppinion Redhood.
Someone else beat me to it, but please... at least throw in a random apostrophe from time to time, so we think you're trying to sound legit. And the occasional spell check wouldn't hurt either.

That said, this thread is going nowhere. You've given poo-poo for credentials.

[CjP]

(rummages around)



Okay, who stole my 'Please don't feed the troll' sign....? :)

[Xero]

spoiler spoiler read if you only want the truth.


Redhood is Jason as we all know and Hush is Thomas Wayne. How can this be? Max lord brought both of them back to life with one of the lazarus pit to finally push Batman over the edge. You will see this all unfold in about a year.

The Insider


You must have a mighty big wheelbarrow, a mighty big one..... to catch all the bullsh*t you're dropping.

Listen kid I've seen it all before, including this little scam, angry or neglected Fanboy wants attention so they make up some shite rumor only an anxious fifteen year old would believe.

This isn't Comicon.com or the DC message boards, this is CBR there are real adults here with actual life experience, I suggest you cut this crap out mister "six posts" and move on.

[insider]

Wow, the anger on this board is intense. I was just giving you some info that I have recieved. Don't kill the messenger.


Have a nice day and thank you for ALL your posts.


Insider

[Guts/Batman]

Have recieved from who? Where? Why you? Pardon my skepticism.

You don't have to name names. If you fear this information threatens his job.

If you think that people reading the newspaper and news magazines hate unnamed sources, do you actually think that a person on a forum posting MAJOR spoilers of the future of one of DC's icons will recieve different treatment?

Naive, at best.

If what you say comes to pass then you will be validated but unless you stop insisting on not naming your sourcing in ANY way. You will be met with skepticism or worse.

Oh and btw, Rucka said major, major spoilers in an interview on the OMAC thread.

[1HELLBOY]

I'm going with 1Hellboy here. The only way I'll even accept this is if the alleged Thomas Wayne isn't actually him, and then from that Jason Todd isn't the real deal either. It was just a big ploy to drive Bruce nuts and it works. I wasn't too fussed about Jason Todd's return, but Thomas Wayne is just ridiculous. This source isn't even credible, just some random trying to stir up controversy.

However, if all this does turn out to be true, I'm gonna be very scared..


This is the only way I could even fathom the idea. I mean, bringing back Thomas Wayne would be like bringing back Buck...oh. It would be like bringing back Jaso...oh yeah. ;)

All joking aside, I really think that's the ONLY way DC will do this. In fact, it makes sense. Hush wears bandages all over his face and head, right? Why would he want to hide his face? Other than to keep his identity secret. To hide what his face LOOKS like. Whoever Hush is, he's planned this thing to a tee.

[PrimalScream]

i presume this person who has told u this rumor hasn't just told u. u can't b the only 1 he has told so therefore he would never know he gave us his name. also not to go all school yard on u here mate but if ur going to tell us somthing that is that massive in scale then atleast have the balls to back up ur statement.

[PrimalScream]

exactly Primal Scream got it right the pit only works on the recently dead in example in the absolute power arc of Supes ans Bats where dig up dead heroes to battle Ra's and its stated that since they have been dead for years their revival is very short to the point supe or bat i forget stated that they needed to take down Ra's a fast as possible

remember in gotham knights wen hush was fixing up prometheus after green arrow stabbed him full of arrows.the reader can c that hushes skin is wrinkled under the bandages.now with the quote up above this could b a sign of a recently resurrected thomas wayne deteriating. i can't believe im actually trying to back up the insider's idiotic claims that tommy wayne is hush.lol

[PrimalScream]

this is a better rumor-tommy elliot is the secret love child of thomas wayne and elliot's mother.this would explain y he is called tommy as well and y he is a sugeon like thomas wayne.he chose the name hush as he was thomas waynes and his mother's dirty little secret (as in hush its a secret).he only found out who his real dad was after his mother eventually died.hates bruce for being the son his daddy ever loved

[The Red Hood]

You'll just have to wait and see wont you Redhood.

Thank you for your oppinion Redhood.




Insider

Two words: SPELL. CHECK. Especially if you want people to take this crap seriously....

And it's "The Red Hood." Not "Redhood."

And all I'll see is a sudden cease in your posts when none of this drivel you're peddling turns out to be true.

The Red Hood

[Nick Kal]

Guys, you don't have to pummel him with rudeness. Just ignore it. Are you any better than he is at this point if you're just going to flame him?

Anyway, I think Thomas Wayne coming back... That's a little wack. Hope it's not true.

[kash]

if it was the case The Clone Saga would Offically be a classic compared to this.

[bannermanonemillion]

Who wants to argue that this is all a Hypertime nightmare that'll be resolved after Infinite Crisis?

[The Joker]

Hush revealed as Thomas Wayne?

Quite possibly the WORST idea I have EVER heard in my life.

And I agree, THE CLONE SAGA would be considered great compared to this horrible idea.

[choptop]

well,DC has put the kaboom
on Dick Grayson taking over the Bat after Bruce goes bonkers,so now it looks like it might be someone else. Who well it be? Well it might be...
The top 5 contenders are:
Roy Harper
Connor Hawke
Ollie Queen
Jason Todd
The Question

[Guts/Batman]

When? Where was this kaboshed?

If Bruce has ANY say in who Batman will become it will not be Oliver.

[tjarvis]

Why would Thomas Wayne even go after his son? It doesn't make any sense at all. At least Jason has an excuse to be pissy and angry.

As far as Hush's identity, I still don't know. Bane or the dark side of Two Face are still the two best explanations I've heard. Unless Bruce himself was ever cloned at some point.

[smoothjokes]

Hush is Earth 2 Batman, 'nuff said.

[lonewolf23k]

Boy... That Cosmic Reset button is starting to look better every minute...

[The Xenos]

Man, I remember when the Bat-editors and writers steering the boat weren't on heavy drugs. Really, they're not only driven the boat of ideas into the shallows, they're scraping on the rocks.

Though I will say the idea of Bruce being in Arkham and someone filling in for him is interesting. I just can't stand Red Hood / Jason and esepcially Hush.

-Xenos

[mohammedali]

this is a better rumor-tommy elliot is the secret love child of thomas wayne and elliot's mother.this would explain y he is called tommy as well and y he is a sugeon like thomas wayne.he chose the name hush as he was thomas waynes and his mother's dirty little secret (as in hush its a secret).he only found out who his real dad was after his mother eventually died.hates bruce for being the son his daddy ever loved
I like this idea a lot. It makes the most sence by far, and would put a big dent on something that has been untouched, Bruce's love for his father, without ressurecting more good guys and turning them into villains. I don't think bringing back more dead people is the answer. Especially with Todd having just come back.

Mohammed Ali

[Gauss]

Y'know, I'll take a risk and go on record as actually liking this idea.

Why? Because in order to get any real satisfaction out of this Hush thing, he has to be revealed as a character that exists in the Batverse as a separate person. And out of that list, our pick ought to be a highly skilled surgeon with intimate knowledge of Bruce Wayne and his childhood, one that seems to stop at or around the deaths of Bruce's parents.

Frankly, that doesn't leave us with much to work with. Tommy Elliot is probably the best choice, but we know (pretty much undeniably) that it isn't him. An evil side to Two-Face would have the scars, but not the medical know-how or the family history. And I wish to hell that Hush had really been Jason Todd, since now we could have two lesser mysteries where we could have had one great one (wearing a better costume); but here we are.

A resurrected and clearly insane Thomas Wayne has the benefit of fitting as well as anyone else with the clues we've been given, and better than most; it would provide something truly shattering to Batman, who has been through so much crap that almost anything less wouldn't do the job; and it would probably end with Thomas's return to the grave, which would allow fans who don't like the idea to erase it from memory once the initial repercussions play out.

And I'll admit, the illegitimate son of Thomas Wayne could also fit the clues, and would be a more reusable character. But it would also put a deep and abiding stain on the name of Bruce's father that his resurrection might not, at least if written properly at the conclusion.

[Lorendiac]

Hush is Earth 2 Batman, 'nuff said.

This one is actually a brand new theory, at least in my experience. I'm not saying it makes any great amount of sense, but it has the benefit of being original! :)

[insider]

When? Where was this kaboshed?

If Bruce has ANY say in who Batman will become it will not be Oliver.


it will be cat-man. Let the angry posts begin.


Insider

[Lorendiac]

Y'know, I'll take a risk and go on record as actually liking this idea.

Why? Because in order to get any real satisfaction out of this Hush thing, he has to be revealed as a character that exists in the Batverse as a separate person. And out of that list, our pick ought to be a highly skilled surgeon with intimate knowledge of Bruce Wayne and his childhood, one that seems to stop at or around the deaths of Bruce's parents.

Frankly, that doesn't leave us with much to work with. Tommy Elliot is probably the best choice, but we know (pretty much undeniably) that it isn't him. An evil side to Two-Face would have the scars, but not the medical know-how or the family history. And I wish to hell that Hush had really been Jason Todd, since now we could have two lesser mysteries where we could have had one great one (wearing a better costume); but here we are.

A resurrected and clearly insane Thomas Wayne has the benefit of fitting as well as anyone else with the clues we've been given, and better than most; it would provide something truly shattering to Batman, who has been through so much crap that almost anything less wouldn't do the job; and it would probably end with Thomas's return to the grave, which would allow fans who don't like the idea to erase it from memory once the initial repercussions play out.

And I'll admit, the illegitimate son of Thomas Wayne could also fit the clues, and would be a more reusable character. But it would also put a deep and abiding stain on the name of Bruce's father that his resurrection might not, at least if written properly at the conclusion.

On the illegitimate son of Batman's father thing: Didn't we already suffer through this a few years ago with Bane? In a Gotham Knights storyline that had me grumbling about what a huge LACK of suspense I was feeling, because I was certain it would turn out to be a False Alarm? (I was right.)

I really don't want to go through that, or anything like unto it, all over again. Batman's parents have basically become the DCU's "Saint Thomas of Gotham" and "Saint Martha of Gotham," and I am content to leave them in that condition. That also argues against letting Hush be Thomas Wayne back from the dead. (Wasn't the Outsider actually Alfred Pennyworth back from the dead? The more things change, the more they stay the same!)

I haven't even bought any issues of the regular "Batman" or "Gotham Knights" titles in over a year, since before War Games. I haven't felt I was missing much, either, from what I hear on the Net.

My basic feeling on Hush has become this:

A. Jeph Loeb should have positively revealed who Hush was at the end of the original 12-part story, instead of just having him verbally claim to be Tommy Elliot.

B. Failing that, Jeph Loeb should have come back for that six-part follow-up story arc he talked about, and resolved the entire mess there. (Not that Loeb is very good at resolving the messes he creates, but I'd be willing to give him another chance on this one.)

C. When other writers start throwing in their own "cool new ideas" about Hush, as in Gotham Knights, I stop caring. Too many cooks spoil the broth. I have easily resisted any faint temptation to spend my hard-earned money on GK, which allegedly is more about "Hush" than about "Batman" these days.

D. At this point, I just want the whole tangled, pointless "mystery" to go away. If Loeb isn't going to clean up his own mess, then I don't care what happens to Hush as long as it happens quickly and he is never heard from again. Shoot him full of holes again and this time let him die on stage, gasping out a few final words about his motives for all I care, but first let Batman rip off the silly bandages and see that Hush is actually . . .

01. Doctor Death!
02. Azrael!
03. Owlman!
04. Bane!
05. Thomas Wayne, Junior! (from two Bob Haney stories in the 1970s)
06. Superman! (Driven nuts by the Batman memories I think he absorbed in the Emperor Joker storyline, or whatever)
07. Jose Delgado, the old Gangbuster character from the Superman titles of the late 80s/early 90s, for no apparent reason!
08. An evil clone of Bruce himself!
09. The Outsider, who was never really Alfred Pennyworth after all!
10. One of Hugo Strange's old robot doubles for somebody else!

or even

11. The Ultimate Copout! Batman sees the face revealed and cries out, "No! It can't be . . . you!" But we don't see what he sees. Then Hush dies and is cremated and the ashes are scattered to the four winds and Batman refuses to tell anyone else what we learned about Hush at the very end. For the next fifty years, fans can hope he will someday break his vow of silence and reveal the truth. :)

I could learn to live with any of the above, as long as they end it quickly and leave it firmly ended.

[PatrickG]

It's not AS bad if the Infinite Crisis turns out to involve infinite earths and some of the weird people that have been running around the DCU aren't who they appear to be.

[Grimm24]

spoiler spoiler read if you only want the truth.


Redhood is Jason as we all know and Hush is Thomas Wayne. How can this be? Max lord brought both of them back to life with one of the lazarus pit to finally push Batman over the edge. You will see this all unfold in about a year.



The Insider

There is no way that Hush is Thomas Wayne, Hush is Thomas Elliot

Why would Thomas Wayne want to kill his own son?

Other than that I doubt that Max Lord knew where the Lazarus Pit is. Other than that he really wasnt after Batman, more like Superman and Wonder Woman because he hated Meta-Humans (AKA. Superheros with Powers)

Also, the Lazarus Pit couldnt have Jason Todd age after all of those years, it just dosent make sense

[Guts/Batman]

Well, Max did want Bruce dead. Because he recognized if Bruce is given the chance there is a pretty good chance that he will find Brother MK 1.

I'm also betting that Max thought of Bruce as a metahuman.

[Napolean Blownapart]

Not to throw fuel on the fire, but wasn't Thomas Wayne one of the choices for the "who is Hush?" game from DC back during the whole initial Hush storyline? Did anyone ever win that Jim Lee sketch? Because whoever did, is one of the only non-DC employees that knows for certain who Hush is.

[Draconomicon]

Hm,. shouldnt "insider" information better be given to Rich and his Lying in the Gutter column?
Considering its even on the mainpage to this forum, that seemed to me a far more legit way to spread out this "information" if its true.

[synthetikdemon]

This has probably been raised here several times, but I read on the DC Boards that Dick is going to replace Bruce and Bruce is going to Arkham....


Any details on this

Regards

-=SD=-

[Guts/Batman]

Yes, There are many threads in many different places.

I would recommend reading about the series "52" and the year ahead leap in all the DC books on the DC board.

[Thrice]

B.S. Not even Dc who has made very stupid decision before would bring back batman father. He is kinda like uncle ben. One of the characters you do not ressurect. Secondly why would thomas wayne go over the edge and become a psychopath like hush. We can all see Jason Todd become a pyschopath it was all there before he died. But thomas wayne was a kind and gente soul. Even the tempory insanity and i stress the word tempory of being brough back froma lazarus pit woulld not cause him to go all apeshit like he has. Thirdly he has been dead for 15 to 20 years. way too late to ressurect him.

[powergirl]

jason todd is a creation of bruce waynes mind...
hush could be a plot device to reintroduce thomas wayne jr.
bruce's insane older brother...

who manages to tradeplaces with bruce in arkham for a year with bruce thinking he's hush...

[ouiyahtsiouiyah]

it at least sounds possible and is so far the best explanation for Hush that I've heard. That being said- Don't do it DC!!! Please don't do it!!!

[The Red Hood]

^^^How? How does it sound even remotely possible?

It doesn't. There's no basis for it in "HUSH" and fanboy trolls like Insider are the type of people who latch on to such nonsense to try and get noticed on a message board.

'Hood

[ouiyahtsiouiyah]

If he turns out to be right ill be lauging at you hood...very loudly

[DocSamson]

The answer is obvious...."Insider" really IS an Insider...a DC editorial insider who is testing the waters on what fans are willing to believe...They're in a box now and they're unsure of the way out....Hush was Tommy, now he's not...Hush was Jason, now he's not...Alfred knows the truth but what is it...Will the fans accept Thomas Wayne?....hey, maybe Jor-El is really Bizarro...who knows....Oh Mr. Loeb, if only they'd listened....

Quite a conundrum, isnt it, when ya carry a plot a tad beyond the plotting...

[powergirl]

it's thomas wayne jr.
the insane never mentioned brother in new contuinty.

[Boris]

Re: Earth 2 Batman.

If memory serves me correct from re reading the original crisis...

Batman was dead, Dick (with graying temples) was Robin and Helena (Bruce and
Selena's daughter) was Huntress.

[Lorendiac]

The answer is obvious...."Insider" really IS an Insider...a DC editorial insider who is testing the waters on what fans are willing to believe...They're in a box now and they're unsure of the way out....Hush was Tommy, now he's not...Hush was Jason, now he's not...Alfred knows the truth but what is it...Will the fans accept Thomas Wayne?....hey, maybe Jor-El is really Bizarro...who knows....Oh Mr. Loeb, if only they'd listened....

Quite a conundrum, isnt it, when ya carry a plot a tad beyond the plotting...

You seem to be assuming that DC has suddenly decided it's important to provide a fairly logical, convincing, satisfactory, and self-consistent answer to the mystery of "Who is Hush?"

I can honestly admire your optimism in believing that they have finally reached such a conclusion. I don't share your faith in them anymore, though. My basic attitude is: "Sweep Hush under the rug and have everybody in the comics forget about him as quickly as humanly possible! If that requires hastily giving some stupid answer to the question of just who he is, do it fast and then change the subject before anyone starts pointing out all the inevitable flaws in whatever answer you offered!"

Some time ago, I believe I offered a sample of how they could "resolve" this problem (without really resolving it!) as part of the "One Year Later" thing that will be triggered by Infinite Crisis.

New issue of a Batman title
Page 1.
Panel 1.
Splash page. Robin is in the Batcave, finishing up an explanation of his recent detective work.

ROBIN: -- And THAT's how I deduced who Hush really was, and what his primary motivation was!

BATMAN: Excellent work, Tim! I guess I was too emotionally involved this one to put all the pieces together as quickly as you did once you made this case your full-time project!

[Then they move on to talk about their newest case, whatever it is, and we never do learn just who Hush really was, or what really happened to him! :) The less said about him, the better!]

[Peter]

You know, 2 or 3 years ago, if I'd heard that -- "Hush is really Thomas Wayne!" -- I would've giggled, dismissed it as being an insane idea, and forgotten about it.

Let's look at the bat-books right now, though --

(fairly massive spoilers for recent story-lines follow)
1. Jason Todd is back. The one superhero death everybody thought would be permanent, is reversed, and a character the fans hated enough to specifically want him killed, is back.

2. Alfred murders a two-bit-hood in cold-blood to protect Batman's secret identity. Despite the fact that, stealing the information the two-bit-hood had and publically humiliating him would've taken about five minutes for Batman on a busy day.

3. Leslie Thompkins murders Spoiler.

Right now, I hate saying this, but I would not be surprised in the slightest if this 'rumour' was completely truthful. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

[Alan2099]

It makes about as much sense as Max Lord convinetly forgetting that he's got a metal body, gaining telepathic powers, killing old friends in cold blood, and wanting to wipe out all the super humans (of which he is one.)

A guy comes back from the dead and goes crazy makes MUCH more sense than that.

[SdotCopp]

(fairly massive spoilers for recent story-lines follow)

2. Alfred murders a two-bit-hood in cold-blood to protect Batman's secret identity. Despite the fact that, stealing the information the two-bit-hood had and publically humiliating him would've taken about five minutes for Batman on a busy day.

this has never been confirmed. we have to wait for gotham knights 68 to find out. don't jump to conclusions. the end of 67 seemed like a classic, cliche'd even 'make you think this happened' ending

[trickster]

It makes about as much sense as Max Lord convinetly forgetting that he's got a metal body, gaining telepathic powers, killing old friends in cold blood, and wanting to wipe out all the super humans (of which he is one.)

A guy comes back from the dead and goes crazy makes MUCH more sense than that.

Max Lord didn't forget at all. The DC staff decided he never was a robot, (which a lot of people never cared about anyway), that's all. It was in an interview. And I think he had telepathic powers a long time ago. And he also showed his true colors a long time ago.

[Doom]

this has never been confirmed. we have to wait for gotham knights 68 to find out. don't jump to conclusions. the end of 67 seemed like a classic, cliche'd even 'make you think this happened' ending


Combined with the fact that the next issue blurb even said something like "Did Alfred really do what we think he did? And what's with these strange dreams he's been having"

I'm willing to bet good money theres more going on then meets the eye.

[Peter]

Max Lord didn't forget at all. The DC staff decided he never was a robot, (which a lot of people never cared about anyway), that's all. It was in an interview. And I think he had telepathic powers a long time ago. And he also showed his true colors a long time ago.

So, how many long-standing DC heroes had he mercilessly blown away before "Countdown"? Just hit me with a ball-park figure.

All we can hope is that, in a year or two, the new DC staff have a similar memory lapse when they look back on this mess we're currently in.

[Peter]

this has never been confirmed. we have to wait for gotham knights 68 to find out. don't jump to conclusions. the end of 67 seemed like a classic, cliche'd even 'make you think this happened' ending

I live in hope -- WriterBoy had a good theory on what might really be going on -- but what with options (1) and (3) I mention, I'm not holding my breath.

[trickster]

So, how many long-standing DC heroes had he mercilessly blown away before "Countdown"? Just hit me with a ball-park figure.

All we can hope is that, in a year or two, the new DC staff have a similar memory lapse when they look back on this mess we're currently in.

Well there was a big argument with Max around the issue where Ice died, where they said he betrayed them. Can't remember which issue though.
And let's face it, at the time death was less frequent in comics. You could get hit by a magic spell from the most powerful evil sorcerer in the universe and get only a bruise.

[Peter]

And let's face it, at the time the only major death was less frequent in comics. You could get hit by a magic spell from the most powerful evil sorcerer in the universe and get only a bruise.

Which, you have to admit, is not the same as in out-and-out death.

Like Jason Todd, for example.

[trickster]

Which, you have to admit, is not the same as in out-and-out death.

Like Jason Todd, for example.

And which I'll admit, made it hard to take any "big" battle seriously. You knew they'd just tickle each other and then the guy would come back again 5 issues later, still all bark and no bite.

[Exo]

Redhood is Jason as we all know and Hush is Thomas Wayne. How can this be? Max lord brought both of them back to life with one of the lazarus pit to finally push Batman over the edge. You will see this all unfold in about a year.

http://www.uploadyourimages.com/img/465418at-00121.jpg

If Max wanted to push Bruce over the edge then all he needed to do was to have Superman toss him off a building. Why would you, when you're such a busy man lately with checkmate and other establishments, go to all this trouble (reviving Thomas and Jason) just to shake one mans foundation? And lets not forget that Superman almost succeeded in killing the bat (being brainwashed and monitored by the Lord himself) rendereing these past allegations deficient in any sense.

Still, I'm all for it if the story is good (I should make that my sig).

[mwm1331]

Well maybe I am in the minority but I actually like this new red hood. I like jason todd as the red hood. He comes off as competant, dangerous, intelligent, and nearly as good at planning ahead as the Bat himself.
I like his motivation and his methods.
He to me at least makes an interesting character who I want to see more of.
As to the whole Thomas wayne thing, I doubt it, but it could happen.

[Guts/Batman]

The problem with Jason being the Red Hood is that his death in A Death in the Family was one of the most powerful deaths in comics (well, at least to that point and still is in my mind). Bringing him back cheapens his death.

[mwm1331]

The problem with Jason being the Red Hood is that his death in A Death in the Family was one of the most powerful deaths in comics (well, at least to that point and still is in my mind). Bringing him back cheapens his death.

I disagree.
Many have said something similar, it cheapens his death, it negates the impact his death had on batman etc.
But thats simply not true.
The fact that the batman knows he's alive today, doesn't change the trauma, heal the wounds from, or the scars of the damage he suffered yesterday.
If anything this makes it worse, because now not only does he have to live with the fact that he failed him, he failed him twice.
First by not training him well enough or getting there fast enough to protect him from the joker, But now the "worlds greatest detective" didn't even realise he was never dead.
As a result, he has been reaised, trained, and manipulated by god knows who.
Before his return Batman had only failed Jason Todd once, Now he knows he has failed him twice, and should he die again, it will be a trifecta.
If anything given that he was finally getting over JT's death, this has reopened and reinjured an old wound.

[Guts/Batman]

While it may not be less traumatiuc on Batman. Another thing is that Jason Todd was voted dead by readers. DC bringing him back after the fans voted him dead feels almost like a slap in the face of readers.

[mwm1331]

While it may not be less traumatiuc on Batman. Another thing is that Jason Todd was voted dead by readers. DC bringing him back after the fans voted him dead feels almost like a slap in the face of readers.
Yeah well there was a whole huge controversy about "ballot stuffing"
Most of the readers at that time probably couldn't get permission for a 2.99 cent call from thier parents.

[Exo]

The problem with Jason being the Red Hood is that his death in A Death in the Family was one of the most powerful deaths in comics (well, at least to that point and still is in my mind).

It especially changes the view of Jasons costume hung up inside the cave (the constant reminder of Batmans biggest failure IMO). They should have kept Red Hoods identity a secret for atleast a bit longer.

[Guts/Batman]

It especially changes the view of Jasons costume hung up inside the cave (the constant reminder of Batmans biggest failure IMO). They should have kept Red Hoods identity a secret for atleast a bit longer.

And now they are just teasing about his role in Infinite Crisis. :mad:

Just get it out already...

[Guts/Batman]

Yeah well there was a whole huge controversy about "ballot stuffing"
Most of the readers at that time probably couldn't get permission for a 2.99 cent call from thier parents.

A slap in the face is still a slap in the face. No matter how you change it.

The killing a Robin in a Batman book is something that should not be reversed.

[RedBaron]

Sure, the Insider's rumor is wild and outrageous, but am I the only one who thinks that DC could realistically steep so low? I'm not saying I believe it, but I do believe in the possibility.

Take what Willingham has done to Leslie Tompkins in Batman #644. DC is obviously not above letting writers use cheap, nonsensical, and sensationalistic plot turns and reveals to drum up controversy and readership. Say what you will about the events of Identity Crisis, like it or not, you can't deny that there is a certain tone in the DCU right now that can be seen unfolding in all the Infinite Crisis related titles that runs on shocking narrative turns.

Jason Todd (or someone pretending to be him) is back. Is it not possible that Hush is Thomas Wayne? I wouldn't put it past the DC editorial board.

[powerforward]

given some of the stuff dc has done in the past year (identity crisis/jason todd/omac/leslie murdering spoiler,etc.) none of this sounds far fetched.

i'm waiting for bruce to be murdered by dick and or tim (have a trio of evil robins) and alfred take up the mantle of batman.

[Doom]

While it may not be less traumatiuc on Batman. Another thing is that Jason Todd was voted dead by readers. DC bringing him back after the fans voted him dead feels almost like a slap in the face of readers.

Don't forget that apparently the difference between lives or dies was only a hundred or so votes. And how one guy admited to using a Tele-caller (machine that dials numbers) on Vote Jason Dead.

Really Todd's death could hardly have been described as being in demand by the masses.

[The Joker]

given some of the stuff dc has done in the past year (identity crisis/jason todd/omac/leslie murdering spoiler,etc.) none of this sounds far fetched.

i'm waiting for bruce to be murdered by dick and or tim (have a trio of evil robins) and alfred take up the mantle of batman.

Point taken. :D

Although I agree with the current things going on in the DCU, a possible Thomas Wayne/Hush scenario doesnt really sound that far fetched. But in this case, I dont think we'll be seeing this happening any time soon. Just too atrocious, IMHO.

But if it does, it would undoubtedly be a HUGE mistake from DC. Which would be obviously be done purely for the shock value. Which it would recieve, but the ramifications could, and very likely would be very negative in the long run.

Bad, bad idea.

[mwm1331]

Point taken. :D

Although I agree with the current things going on in the DCU, a possible Thomas Wayne/Hush scenario doesnt really sound that far fetched. But in this case, I dont think we'll be seeing this happening any time soon. Just too atrocious, IMHO.

But if it does, it would undoubtedly be a HUGE mistake from DC. Which would be obviously be done purely for the shock value. Which it would recieve, but the ramifications could, and very likely would be very negative in the long run.

Bad, bad idea.

I hear that a lot, but would it?
I mean really?
Who would honestly stop reading batman just becasue of that?

Now I don't think it wouldbe a good story but I wouldn't cancel my subscriptions.

[The Joker]

I hear that a lot, but would it?
I mean really?
Who would honestly stop reading batman just becasue of that?

Now I don't think it wouldbe a good story but I wouldn't cancel my subscriptions.

Well of course there will be readers who will stay for the long haul no matter what. But then there were things like the "Clone Saga" over on Spider-Man that almost ruined the character completely. I see much of the same happening with Batman with this type of idea.

Would Batman continue to endure? Yes.

Would it be a good move on DC's part? No.

[mwm1331]

Well of course there will be readers who will stay for the long haul no matter what. But then there were things like the "Clone Saga" over on Spider-Man that almost ruined the character completely. I see much of the same happening with Batman with this type of idea.

Would Batman continue to endure? Yes.

Would it be a good move on DC's part? No.

Yet it was also one of the biggest selling arcs ever. So popular in fact that it was extended just to keep the sales up.

See thats my whole point.

Yeah this idea might not be a good story, (then again....) but "the backlash would hurt them?

I doubt it.

[Peter]

Sure, the Insider's rumor is wild and outrageous, but am I the only one who thinks that DC could realistically steep so low? I'm not saying I believe it, but I do believe in the possibility.

Take what Willingham has done to Leslie Tompkins in Batman #644. DC is obviously not above letting writers use cheap, nonsensical, and sensationalistic plot turns and reveals to drum up controversy and readership. Say what you will about the events of Identity Crisis, like it or not, you can't deny that there is a certain tone in the DCU right now that can be seen unfolding in all the Infinite Crisis related titles that runs on shocking narrative turns.

Jason Todd (or someone pretending to be him) is back. Is it not possible that Hush is Thomas Wayne? I wouldn't put it past the DC editorial board.

Exactly. I wouldn't put it past them at all.

DC has fallen into this tragic, "Shocking = Great!" blackhole right now, and I sure as heck hope they get out of it soon.

Hey, DC -- having Lois Lane be secret revealed to actually have been Lex Luthor in drag for all these years, that's shocking! So let's see that story happen!

[The Joker]

Yet it was also one of the biggest selling arcs ever. So popular in fact that it was extended just to keep the sales up.

See thats my whole point.

Yeah this idea might not be a good story, (then again....) but "the backlash would hurt them?

I doubt it.

Sure the sales went up. Thats exactly what will happen when you advertise a "shocking" turning point in a well established superhero title. But it didnt have any legs to stand on after the arc was over now did it? Infact, almost everything had to be reversed to what it once was just to get the title back on it's two feet again. Even returning the once-thought-dead Aunt May.
Point is, it's widely considered one of the WORST storylines EVER in Spider-Man history (although the recent "Sins of the father" arc might actually be considered even worse). And I honestly never hear about it being remembered fondly at all.

I see nothing but the same with Thomas Wayne is really HUSH-like scenario.

[mwm1331]

Exactly. I wouldn't put it past them at all.

DC has fallen into this tragic, "Shocking = Great!" blackhole right now, and I sure as heck hope they get out of it soon.

Hey, DC -- having Lois Lane be secret revealed to actually have been Lex Luthor in drag for all these years, that's shocking! So let's see that story happen!

I would love to see a storyline where lois leaves Clark for lex because clark "just isn't man enough"
I am not being sarcastic by the way.

[mwm1331]

Sure the sales went up. Thats exactly what will happen when you advertise a "shocking" turning point in a well established superhero title. But it didnt have any legs to stand on after the arc was over now did it? Infact, almost everything had to be reversed to what it once was just to get the title back on it's two feet again. Even returning the once-thought-dead Aunt May.
Point is, it's widely considered one of the WORST storylines EVER in Spider-Man history (although the recent "Sins of the father" arc might actually be considered even worse). And I honestly never hear about it being remembered fondly at all.

I see nothing but the same with Thomas Wayne is really HUSH-like scenario.

I understand where you are comming from. But to be fair sales what tripled? for about 18 months maybe two years?
And it took how long to get get the title back on its feet?

So what if its remembered fondly? People actually bought it.

[The Joker]

I understand where you are comming from. But to be fair sales what tripled? for about 18 months maybe two years?
And it took how long to get get the title back on its feet?

So what if its remembered fondly? People actually bought it.

Cant say I ever paid much attention to the sales figures back then, but I imagine the arc did sell fairly well considering the circumstances.

Well, once we got past the whole "Ben Reily (spelling?) is really Peter Parker, but with blonde hair, and without Mary Jane who's off with the clone. With a cast of villians whom we changed to make look cooler, and even changed the gender of some (remember the "new" Doc Ock?)" stage, not really long I dont think. But if you ask some, the damage was already done by that time. Peter was brought back, Mary Jane and Aunt May too. And the villians got their old costumes back, with the original Doc Ock returning from the grave.

I can understand where you are coming from, from a sales point of view. But I just dont have the desire to see DC make a mistake (a big mistake if you ask me), and then spend months trying to fix a mistake that shouldnt have been made in the first place.

"Oh my god! Hush is Thomas Wayne!"

"Wait! We made a mistake, It's someone else!"

"The mystery continues!"

Yawn. :rolleyes:

[mwm1331]

Cant say I ever paid much attention to the sales figures back then, but I imagine the arc did sell fairly well considering the circumstances.

Well, once we got past the whole "Ben Reily (spelling?) is really Peter Parker, but with blonde hair, and without Mary Jane who's off with the clone. With a cast of villians whom we changed to make look cooler, and even changed the gender of some (remember the "new" Doc Ock?)" stage, not really long I dont think. But if you ask some, the damage was already done by that time. Peter was brought back, Mary Jane and Aunt May too. And the villians got their old costumes back, with the original Doc Ock returning from the grave.

I can understand where you are coming from, from a sales point of view. But I just dont have the desire to see DC make a mistake (a big mistake if you ask me), and then spend months trying to fix a mistake that shouldnt have been made in the first place.

"Oh my god! Hush is Thomas Wayne!"

"Wait! We made a mistake, It's someone else!"

"The mystery continues!"

Yawn. :rolleyes:


Nature of the business if you ask me.
Every thing aleways returns to the status quo eventually.
Hell look at Hal "I killed the entire universe" jordan.

[PrimalScream]

batman's reason for becoming batman was because his parents were killed it. it would totally change his misson. if this is true then batman will end up saying to hush/thomas wayne "my father died years ago.u r not my father.the man i called father died when the bullet tore his insides out". it would just be lame and probly nearly destroy the character.

[The Joker]

Nature of the business if you ask me.
Every thing aleways returns to the status quo eventually.
Hell look at Hal "I killed the entire universe" jordan.

Why even waste the time.

There are better ideas than this one if you want to shake up the bat books with something shocking.

[E-Nigma420]

they could easily just make Hush one of Bruce Waynes old masters that Bruce somehow screwed over in the past because the master was evil.

He comes back and revives Jason Todd and trains him. Now you just have to ell the backstory of what happened in the past.

Or DC could make Hush an amped uo Hugo Strange, he knows Bruce is Batman even if he can't prove it. And would explain the Hush being a doctor angle as well.

[orrewhat]

Hello, first time poster long time guest. I have one question. Insider said



As for the Pits wait till Ra's comes back to learn the true healing power of the pits.

Insider

Did this event happen in "Ra's Al Ghoul Year One"? Is this the event that Insider spoke of?
How could Max Lord brought both Jason and Thomas back if all the pits where sealed? Unless Max revives Jason and Thomas before all the pits where sealed.
Here is the scary part of the whole "Ra's Al Ghoul Year One" if all the dead of Gotham came to life where was Thomas and Martha Wayne. You would think showing there revised bodies would have been a good shock in the book if they are dead.
Maybe Insider was correct about the true healing power of the pit. But, i think he is still a scam.......... I hope.

[Detective27]

I can't quote all of the messages posted up until now, so I'll just say that I just joined up like an hour ago and then i came across this thread and read the whole thing and I honestly can't believe that any of you would even dignify such a stupid idea with a response... DC bringing Thomas Wayne back to life? ....AND making him a villain? You could be reading about Bats for the first time on some kid's "Ultimate Batman Fansite" and know that that's bull, so why bother??? Honestly I think it's just a waste of finger movements!!!

But...just in case it is true, who's up for shootin' up the DC building with me?

[Lorendiac]

I can't quote all of the messages posted up until now, so I'll just say that I just joined up like an hour ago and then i came across this thread and read the whole thing and I honestly can't believe that any of you would even dignify such a stupid idea with a response... DC bringing Thomas Wayne back to life? ....AND making him a villain? You could be reading about Bats for the first time on some kid's "Ultimate Batman Fansite" and know that that's bull, so why bother??? Honestly I think it's just a waste of finger movements!!!

But...just in case it is true, who's up for shootin' up the DC building with me?

You realize, of course, that just last year I would have been saying almost exactly the same thing, using the name "Jason Todd" instead of "Thomas Wayne"? But look what happened after that!

[Guts/Batman]

You realize, of course, that just last year I would have been saying almost exactly the same thing, using the name "Jason Todd" instead of "Thomas Wayne"? But look what happened after that!

Honestly, I think that Jason Todd fighting the Teen Titans will be worse that what happened in Winnick's Batman run.

[cmndob]

Little Tommy Wayne angry at his rich legitimate brother works. I mean its totaly ret-con stuff but what can you do. I just want to f***ing know who Hush is so I can buy Absolute Hush and feel like it has a real actual ending. Oh well.

[Guts/Batman]

I think we might get an answer to that in GK 69 next month. And right in time for Infinite Crisis!

Coincidence? ;)

[trickster]

I think we might get an answer to that in GK 69 next month. And right in time for Infinite Crisis!

Coincidence? ;)

Wasn't he speaking to Calculator in Supergirl 0?

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supergirl0096zx.jpg

I have a feeling he's gonna play a big role in the coming crisis.

[palaeomerus]

Cant say I ever paid much attention to the sales figures back then, but I imagine the arc did sell fairly well considering the circumstances.

Well, once we got past the whole "Ben Reily (spelling?) is really Peter Parker, but with blonde hair, and without Mary Jane who's off with the clone. With a cast of villians whom we changed to make look cooler, and even changed the gender of some (remember the "new" Doc Ock?)" stage, not really long I dont think. But if you ask some, the damage was already done by that time. Peter was brought back, Mary Jane and Aunt May too. And the villians got their old costumes back, with the original Doc Ock returning from the grave.

I can understand where you are coming from, from a sales point of view. But I just dont have the desire to see DC make a mistake (a big mistake if you ask me), and then spend months trying to fix a mistake that shouldnt have been made in the first place.

"Oh my god! Hush is Thomas Wayne!"

"Wait! We made a mistake, It's someone else!"

"The mystery continues!"

Yawn. :rolleyes:

Darn that ol' yellow fear monster! He's at it again.

(Say...maybe he can fix Hawkman and Aquaman if we give him a chance?)

[Guts/Batman]

I have a feeling he's gonna play a big role in the coming crisis.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...I didn't get Supergirl 0/Superman-Batman 19 but it definitely seems that way.

Oh I agree. I think everything points to Hush coming out the major badass he was intended to be when they created the character.

[orrewhat]

This maybe the wrong place to put this thought.
Maybe Hush is a clone of Lex.
The clone has the mastermind of Lex. The clone's appearance is messed up do to something going wrong with the cloning.
Lex thought he destroyed the clone but the clone excaped and is now a major threat in the Dc univers.

Or Hush is a clone of Lex and batman. like superboy was a clone of Lex and Superman. Just a crazy wild guess.

Here is a even crazier thought about Thomas Wayne being Hush. Don't most parents sing "Hush Little Babby" to there children

[Guts/Batman]

Hush being a Lex clone would come completely out of the blue. Too out of the blue (ala Leslie Thompkins in 644), IMO because AFAIK there's no evidence of Hush being a Luthor clone.

[orrewhat]

hello again.

I just got done catching up on my comics. (I only get then once a month) I am afraid of the things I have read. The comics are starting to make insider look correct.

Spoiler if anyone cares to believe.

3. Cassandra REAL mother is revieled. (the soap opera begins)

5. Alfred rembers seeing Thomas Elliot while being held by Hush. Batman must go and find out who Hush is

Insider

For number three I think Insider ment that Shiva was not the mother. I think Cassandra mother is going to me Nyssa.

For number Five Alfred just now rembered seeing Thomas tied up.

Does this mean Insider is three for five? Or, am I just grasping at straws?Please tell me I'm grasping.

[mohammedali]

You're grasping. Some of this seemed like obvious plot development.

Mohammed Ali

[Deadpool_Disassembled]

batman's reason for becoming batman was because his parents were killed it. it would totally change his misson. if this is true then batman will end up saying to hush/thomas wayne "my father died years ago.u r not my father.the man i called father died when the bullet tore his insides out". it would just be lame and probly nearly destroy the character.


Too true but the same could be said for Captain America and Bucky. The reason his story means so much is Bucky IMO. That gave him his sacred morals. Well now he could be back (please god no) and same could happen here (please god no). Either way we got to accept it and watch the chaos unfold. Not to be offensive to anyone but even if I get annoyed with wehat happens, I'm not running the show and don't want to so I like to let the writers do that and we should sit back, and let our fanboys in us think of positive points on it.

[PrimalScream]

thomas wayne has the exact same coat as hush in the prolog so maybe....

[orrewhat]

thomas wayne has the exact same coat as hush in the prolog so maybe....


Where was this??? It is scary how it is starting to look like the Insider was correct.
Who here will stop reading Batman if Mr. Wayne is Hush?

I myself will continue reading to see what it does to Bruce.

[PrimalScream]

Where was this??? It is scary how it is starting to look like the Insider was correct.
Who here will stop reading Batman if Mr. Wayne is Hush?

I myself will continue reading to see what it does to Bruce.

it was just before hush it was a loeb and lee special on who batman is and how he came 2 be. it is narrated by alfred and ends with him saying "all i can give him is something i fear he sorely lacks...love". wen alf is retelling bruce's origin we see the waynes 2gether outside the cinema/theatre and thomas wayne is wearing the same coat as hush wears.

[Frank]

Am I the only one that figured out that it`s really Jason Todd that has come back...but it`s a Jason Todd from another reality, possibly Earth 2 with DC bringing back the multiple Earths/Realities concepts in Infinite Crisis?

[mohammedali]

Am I the only one that figured out that it`s really Jason Todd that has come back...but it`s a Jason Todd from another reality, possibly Earth 2 with DC bringing back the multiple Earths/Realities concepts in Infinite Crisis?
I've made a thread about this on the Batman boards. It's clearly a Jason Todd from another Earth.

Mohammed Ali

[orrewhat]

I've made a thread about this on the Batman boards. It's clearly a Jason Todd from another Earth.

Mohammed Ali


If we are doing the other Earth thing, why can't it be Thomas Wayne from another Earth?????



P.S. thanks Primal for the info.


P.S.S. No one mentioned if they would stop reading Batman if it was Thomas Wayne. I am assuming everyone will continue to read it?

[Murrocko]

I would stop reading if it's alternate earth crap. I hate that stuff. It's right up there with everything really being a dream. It just seems like a cheap way to get out of things.

[trickster]

I would stop reading if it's alternate earth crap. I hate that stuff. It's right up there with everything really being a dream. It just seems like a cheap way to get out of things.

I don't know if I'd stop reading, but it would stink to the high heaven. Everytime I read Crisis on Infinite Earths my head hurts. If they want alternate storylines, they should do Elseworlds titles/series, not mess up the regular titles.

[ouiyahtsiouiyah]

Jason Todds body was still missing last time we checked remember? Maybe it wont be the alternate realities crapola.

Riddler knows where it is since the end of Hush, and is now hiding out since Pushback.

[Bobken]

I've been reading and not contributing to these boards for years now but after reading the stuff about RIP and Thomas Wayne i remembered this thread and how I thought it was improbable that this was an insider.

What do you guys think.