Magneto's Role At Xavier's Institute

[Tre Styles]

There was an interesting question brought up in the New X-Men Academy Spoiler thread, and that was should Magneto still have a role at the Xavier's Institute (after HOM)? And if so, what should that role be if any? And if you say no, then explain why or why not.....

[fishtaco]

yes, he should. Of course I was going to say that.

[streator]

magneto being at the institute was part of his character reformation/atonement, which as it has played out in the marvel universe no longer holds up. magneto is considered a villain, even a terrorist. the institute has gone public. it was bad enough with juggernaut there (shown in austen's uncanny) but magneto teaching kids would kind of undermine the whole public face of the institute (which was a point of the xorn reveal, but i wont go there anymore).

/copy from other thread, still agree.

[Cayman]

I voted yes.

His severed head should be kept over the fireplace.

Cay

[fishtaco]

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[PerfectBrak]

It's the Xavier Institute. Not the Magneto Institute. Their ideologies are different, it didn't work out last time. Therefore, Magneto has no place at the school.

[Stephane Garrelie]

Magnus should be in Claremont's hands. I don't care for the rest. :cool:

[The Fury]

Erik Lensher the leader and teacher could have a place. But Magneto the killer, the terrorists (the bad guy) has no place teaching in a school where most the kids think he's dead and, to the best of their knowledge, recently destoryed the school killing many other students.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

It's funny how Magneto the "killer and terrorist" is the perfect leader of the world right now. Magneto is too great a leader to be just a teacher. He's a world leader and that status shouldn't change.

"In the House of M world, Magneto is the one world leader who actually earned his place at the head of the table."- Bendis

[PerfectBrak]

It's funny how Magneto the "killer and terrorist" is the perfect leader of the world right now. Magneto is too great a leader to be just a teacher. He's a world leader and that status shouldn't change.


Many individuals using a reality warping mutant could be the perfect world leader.

[streator]

I voted yes.

His severed head should be kept over the fireplace.

Cay
well played, my friend.

[Nightcrawler]

No, he is to good a villian.

[North]

No teacher maybe somewhere else, but not at the mansion. Hes bombed that bridge too many times

[TinMan]

Maggie should NOT have a roll at the institute. I'm sorry, but he is the X-Men's biggest rival and should never switch sides. Its like Mum-ra joining the thundercats or Shredder joinin the turtles or skeletor joinin He-man or Luthor joinin Superman.... you get the point. but anyway, Mags should stay as he is and should be, the X-men's greatest threat.

[Alpha to Omega]

Magneto's role at the institute should be to show up every once in a while and get his ass kicked.

[JLarson]

Good lord, no.

[chicagokmc]

now that the xavier institute has been outed as a school for mutants, and now that magneto has been a violent terrorist at least twice since he was last a teacher there (x-men 1, the jim lee relaunch that introduced the acolytes had magneto being a major villian), no.

[Vegetarian Goat]

I voted yes, because Magneto isn't a villain. I choose to believe that he never was a villain, with the exception of the Lee/Thomas days.

Magneto merely wants what's best for his people, and if that HAPPENS to come at the expense of violence, so be it. But to my mind, he doesn't necessarily go out looking for violence. Usually, it comes to him, which in his mind is justification for his actions. It's like a big misunderstanding that's snowballed way out of control. Not only that, but in Excalibur, we saw Magneto and the Professor finally work towards a common goal. These newly reformed alliances shouldn't be broken just to re-enstate the status quo.

Magneto may have been the X-Men's #1 adversary at one point in time, but to my way of thinking, there are many other VILLAINS out there who haven't had a fair shake... ever *coughcoughSINISTERcoughcough*

[The Fury]

the X-men's greatest threat.
Magneto isn't really the X-men greatest threat. Magneto is the greatest threat to the Dream. He is a compasionate man, but his actions have caused the dream more problems then anything else.

But it's his actions that mean he can't teach at the school. Magneto is a well know terroist and I doubt many students who know this and or the students parents would want to send their children to a achool where a known terrorist teaches.

[fishtaco]

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[Erik Lehnsherr]

Many individuals using a reality warping mutant could be the perfect world leader.

Not really. Others have ruled like Doom or Apocalypse. And either suppression or ego have brought them down every time. Magneto has ALWAYS wanted mutant peace and with that now accomplished, the means are meaningless even though Wolverine and his human cadre feel diffrently about it.

Hmmm. Lord Erik Magnus? I can get used to hearing that for years on end. :D

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Im tired of Magneto as a villain. Over the years, he has shown many signs of sanity and righteousness. Magneto's repetitive attempts are getting old.

- Uncanny X-men 150, he stops fighting when he realizes he injured Kitty. Realizes what he did was wrong.
- Helped the X-men against a common threat in God Loves, Man Kills
- Told Cyclops he is truly sorry about "Jean"'s death in Uncanny X-men 149.
- Reformed in Uncanny X-men 200. Promises Xavier to take over the school and teach the New Mutants.
- At first refuses to take up former mantle of champion of mutant supremecy in X-men (2nd Series) 1.
- The Age of Apocalypse shows it clearly
- Friendship with Rogue in Uncanny X-men 274-275
- Throughout Excalibur v.2. and House of M 1.
- New Mutants 35-75
- X-men (2nd Series) 96.

There are plenty more.

Don't forget the AoA as well. As always, if it wasn't for Anya or his parents/sister dying, Magneto wouldn't be the man he is today. He would be a full time hero and family man fighting for the rights of mutants in a entirely different role. Hell, the House of M, is giving everyone what they want and Magneto being the most respected and revered world leader is the greatest thing that can happen to him.

[fishtaco]

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[Nefarius]

Exactly. I mentioned the AOA in that list, btw. Magneto has always had good in him, and I refuse to think that he is evil. Villain? Absolutely. Evil? No way.

To quote God Loves, Man Kills:

Kitty: Don't go, Magneto! Stay with us! Help us!
Magneto: I cannot fight for which I do no believe, Kitty.
Kitty: Scott might be right, you know. We might win!
Magneto: For all our sakes, I hope youre right. But should you fail, it will be my turn.

THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT MAGNETO KNOWS THAT THE BEST WAY FOR MUTANTS TO LIVE IN PEACE IS XAVIER'S DREAM. HE JUST DOES NOT THINK THAT IT CAN HAPPEN THAT WAY, SO THEREFORE HE BELIEVES IN MUTANT DOMINION.

I say he gives Xavier's another try, and if something happens that shows the X-men have failed, he will become villain again.

That's true.He became a villain only when he realize that Xavier's dream failed.So,it's difficult to say that Magnus is a pure bad guy.But sure he is an anti-hero.

I vote yes because it would be cool to see him teaching young mutants. :cool:

[chicagokmc]

since aoa for the most part is alternate reality, i'll limit my answer to 616 verse

all these good things mags did are fine. however, those apply when you do a big time screw up once. big time screw up = terrorizing all or parts of the world. he has done this on at least 3 occasions (not counting all the pre Claremont stuff he did):

Uncanny X-Men 150 - sank a ship. he became headmaster after that, but this action lead to the trial of magneto in x-men vs avengers

X-Men 1 - creates acolytes, terrorizes world again

X-Men 146 - takes over, destroys new york

even if this is retconned to not have been real magneto, these things in the eyes of the marvel public and the x-men happened.

it doesn't matter if you call him "hero" or "villian". at the very least, you have a man who has pent up anger who at any time can flip the switch and do things to kill and/or harm people. he is unstable and unreliable. if you are the x-men, can you risk having him around kids again? even if he is good for years, history says he can still turn. if you're the x-men besides xavier, do you trust him? if you are a parent, would you trust a man like this with your child? i could work with him if a short-term need arose (even then i am keeping my eye on him), i don't think i would want him as a teammate.

by the way, for the x-men concept to exist in the marvel universe, xavier's "dream" can never truly work. the whole point of the x-men existing is to chase and try to achieve that dream. if you achieve the dream, you have house of m.

[fishtaco]

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[chicagokmc]

With whats bout to happen in adjectiveless X-men, I wouldnt find it hard for atleast a few members of the team to accept him into their ranks.

magneto becoming an x-man again, although silly to me, is different from being a teacher of young pupils at the school. mag's views on human/mutant relations, unless they change as a result of house of m, are the counter to those of the school.

analagous to this is wolverine. wolvie's thoughts on killing and confrontation are also counter to those of the school. which is why he is not an instructor. on a team like x-men and even avengers, there are ways to make those differences work. as a shaper of young minds, no.

and back to magneto, even if he was accepted back in the x-men, they would have to always keep the eye in the back of their heads on him. he's done too many flip flops to think otherwise.

[fishtaco]

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[The Fury]

Thats the irony of it.

By the way, why did Xavier ask Magneto specifically to be the new headmaster when he had to leave, as opposed to one of the other X-men. He couldve just had Magneto join the team and not teach.
Things have changed from then, Fishy. No longer it is a limited amount of students to teach. There is a large school and a public one at that, a school that is known a place where mutants reside, and it is trying to build a stable relationship with humans.

Now think what would happen if the most well know mutant terrorist was put on the teaching staff or a least one of the X-teams? I highly doubt many people would trust the school and many parents would not allow their children to attend it.

[fishtaco]

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[Alpha to Omega]

So in your opinion it's perfectly alright to have a known terrorist who killed millions when he released an EMP across the world because of his pride to teach children? And unlike the destruction of New York they can't blame that on an imposter.

[fishtaco]

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[Mister Mets]

I vote no.

He could try to redeem himself, but not at Xaviers.

[Alpha to Omega]

Kind of, yes. It has nothing to do with pride. And again, nobody need know that a known terrorist be teaching at the school. He was a known terrorist the first time he joined the X-men. For any safety purpose, he used the name Michael Xavier.

Of course they can blame it on the imposter. No one would listen to them, but they can. The X-men can blame the fact that there is chaos between humans and mutants because of Magneto, but the world would just say "damn muties" like always.

When I said pride I meant that was the reason that Mags released his EMP.

[chicagokmc]

Kind of, yes. It has nothing to do with pride. And again, nobody need know that a known terrorist be teaching at the school. He was a known terrorist the first time he joined the X-men. For any safety purpose, he used the name Michael Xavier.

Of course they can blame it on the imposter. No one would listen to them, but they can. The X-men can blame the fact that there is chaos between humans and mutants because of Magneto, but the world would just say "damn muties" like always.

so the kids mags could be teaching would not be able to disclose to their parents or guardians that magneto is their teacher? i dont see how parents wouldn't eventually find out and eventually make that fact public. duplicity like that would be worse than just outright telling people he is a teacher.

[fishtaco]

so the kids mags could be teaching would not be able to disclose to their parents or guardians that magneto is their teacher? i dont see how parents wouldn't eventually find out and eventually make that fact public. duplicity like that would be worse than just outright telling people he is a teacher.It didnt seem to be a problem the first time round.

[chicagokmc]

It didnt seem to be a problem the first time round.

the first time around, he got off during the trial of magneto (x-men vs avengers). so the public didnt have a choice. also, the only students at the school were the new mutants.

since then, he changed ways again and with the acolytes he threatened the united nations and recently just destroyed new york city. and now the school has throngs of young mutants.

could be a problem this time with the much more serious rap sheet, methinks unless there is some serious editorial "this didn't happen" retcon

[fishtaco]

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[Alpha to Omega]

Thats why I dont like the public school idea. Im sure Mad Jim Jaspers can give him another trial.

So you hate the public school idea because it doesn't allow for things to go back to the way they were in the 80's?

[fishtaco]

So you hate the public school idea because it doesn't allow for things to go back to the way they were in the 80's?No, I just dont like the public school idea, or the idea of all the squads. I wish the school was smaller. That's it.