Another X-Men shake-up??

[MasterOdin]

Taken from text solicits from Diamond Previews for October: In Wizard #169...

X-MEN: DEADLY GENESIS PREVIEW!
* Read a special 5-page comic book preview about the X-Men’s biggest event in 30 years by Ed Brubaker (Captain America) and Trevor Hairsine (Ultimate Nightmare)! A shameful secret comes back to haunt the team and shake it up forever.


My first feeling is... another "big" event! I always hope that these things will turn out well, but I also wonder how it affects the creative teams (expecially Whedon who seems to have a 2 year plan for AX-M) when these events come up.

[Cayman]

Meh, Brubaker doesn't seem likely to mesh with the X-titles, except possibly Wolverine.

Cay

[The Lucky One]

A shameful secret comes back to haunt the team and shake it up forever.

Oh, good... that worked out so well in Identity Crisis.
:rolleyes:

-D

[slayer2005]

Taken from text solicits from Diamond Previews for October: In Wizard #169...

X-MEN: DEADLY GENESIS PREVIEW!
* Read a special 5-page comic book preview about the X-Men’s biggest event in 30 years by Ed Brubaker (Captain America) and Trevor Hairsine (Ultimate Nightmare)! A shameful secret comes back to haunt the team and shake it up forever.


My first feeling is... another "big" event! I always hope that these things will turn out well, but I also wonder how it affects the creative teams (expecially Whedon who seems to have a 2 year plan for AX-M) when these events come up.

They mindwiped Dr. Light!

[jj9126]

zzzzzzzzzz...I do like the creative team - but I'm a little skeptical of Marvel's big "events" at this point.

Total shot in the dark:
The "30 years" thing (along with the "Genesis reference) has got to mean something.

Maybe it involves a revelation that the capture of the original team/formation of the new was orchestrated somehow (internally? by another enemy and not the stupid living island thing?)

[DarkStar]

Phil Collins is an x-man?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

God knows the X-Titles need rethinking. But somehow this seemingly annual shakeup never seems to work.

Whedon's stint on Astonishing was pretty good, but beyond that?

The X-Titles do NOT need a 'shakeup' they need a total 'rethink'.

I recently read the first 45 issues of Ultimate X-Men, a book I'd always stayed clear of purely because it was part of the Ultimate Universe.

It's saddening than Mark Miller, and Bendis after him, captured more of the X-Men in that book than we have seen in the last 5-6 years of mainstream X-Men continuity.

I've actually found myself bored with the X-Men over the last year, buying now only in the hope that it'll get better sooner or later. It's still immeasureably better than Grant Morrison's tripe, but the lack of genuine character development and decent plots drive me nuts.

The current disjointed, confused, X-Men setup doesn't just need a quick fix it's needs a total overhaul. And I can't help thinking once again that this isn't it.

[jj9126]

Here's some free hyperbole for Joe:
"This is 9/11 for the X-Men. Brubaker going to be crashing a 747 straight into the internet."
"The third issue will send the internet on an Arubian vacation...you know how those turn out"
"For the X-Men - this is the equivalent of finding a child's skull in your parent's attic"
"We're going to have to issue an Amber Alert for the Internet after they finish Brubaker's final issue"

[The Fury]

The X-Titles do NOT need a 'shakeup' they need a total 'rethink'.

I'm completely different to you.

I am enjoyig all the currently X-books (or the main ones that I read).X And think they all work well.

And with comics to come soon, after HoM. I'll be loving it even more. Nothing should change, all is goinf well, sales are good on all books.


This just sounds like a limited series that will not take any real action in the main titles. Just like Phoenix Endsong did. Biggest event in 30 years or just another event like every other year?

Also, Ed Brubaker? (great writer, btw) Obviously Thunderbird I is alive. ;)

[The Fury]

Here's some free hyperbole for Joe:
"This is 9/11 for the X-Men. Brubaker going to be crashing a 747 straight into the internet."
X-men have already had that, It was Called the Genoshan Genocide.

[Joe Zool]

I'll just ignore this and pretend it doesn't exist.

Until the tie-ins begin. ;)

[Cayman]

I don't think the X-books are in bad shape right now - there are some characters that could use a fine-tune and it would be nice to resolve the clumsy Magneto resurrection, but otherwise the books are pretty good reads. All 3 titles have their own distinct voice.

Cay

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Oh I'm loving House of M and the fact they've finally re-commissioned a real Excalibur again.

I just feel so much of the last year's material to be contrived, and both drawn out for longer than necesary and very clunky in the way things are written.

Right now I can honestly say I miss a smaller X-men group, characters are badly developed and rushed through when they are, the academy x students are far too high in number and yet almost totally without identity, and that I simply do not know where the X-Men are going - not in a suspense kind of way, just a fragmented and stale kind of way.

I realised recently that I hadn't actually been excited about an X-Men storyline since way back in Operation Zero Tolerence. And even that disappointed halfway through...

With so many creative changes over the last few years, so many different directions pulling at the books at once there is no overall feel to the X-Universe anymore.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Also, Ed Brubaker? (great writer, btw) Obviously Thunderbird I is alive. ;)

That's what i was thinking- it makes sense, considering all of the Thunderbird related stuff they're putting out in the next few months.

[The Fury]

With so many creative changes over the last few years, so many different directions pulling at the books at once there is no overall feel to the X-Universe anymore.
Only a year ago the X-men hadn't had a large 'creative' change for many years. Morrison Austen and Claremont has been writing the same books for a long time, other then artist changes nothing much changed. It has ben this last year that has had many changes. And a lot of them have been in a good and strong direction.


But we will have to see where this series goes. If it's arriving after HoM, then a shake up might happen, but I don't think Claremont will change much until he's finished his story, but ti might be good for Milligan to get a cast of his choosing.

[The Fury]

That's what i was thinking- it makes sense, considering all of the Thunderbird related stuff they're putting out in the next few months.
Bit corney though.

Thunderbird now stands for something, about how with little training and skill it shows how much of a dangerous the X-men's job really is. He is definately one character that should remain dead forever.

[DDM]

This book sounds like more hollow hype coming from the House of Gimmicks. I'll skip this book.

[Tag06]

Here's some free hyperbole for Joe:
"The third issue will send the internet on an Arubian vacation...you know how those turn out"


Oh man that's fu**ed up.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Bit corney though.

Thunderbird now stands for something, about how with little training and skill it shows how much of a dangerous the X-men's job really is. He is definately one character that should remain dead forever.

Without doubt. If not for any other reason that he wasn't really very interesting. There was already one strong guy on the team in the form of Colossus... He wasn't really needed.

But he was the first X-Man death, and therefore he's going to get the recognition.

Well unless you count the Changeling, I guess, but he was hardly a card carrying member, now...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Oh man that's fu**ed up.

And the 9/11 comment wasn't?

[Joe Zool]

Here's some free hyperbole for Joe:
"This is 9/11 for the X-Men. Brubaker going to be crashing a 747 straight into the internet."
"The third issue will send the internet on an Arubian vacation...you know how those turn out"
"For the X-Men - this is the equivalent of finding a child's skull in your parent's attic"
"We're going to have to issue an Amber Alert for the Internet after they finish Brubaker's final issue"

Wait...

I don't believe that Quesda would be so insenstive as to say these things. He LIVES in New York (as far as I know). Where'd you read this? In Wizard, right? I smell a little bullshit here.


And if he DID say these things, then... Wow. Just wow.

[jarrod]

but ti might be good for Milligan to get a cast of his choosing.
I thought he did choose his cast? That's why Austin was told to write out Juggernaut and Nocturne?

[Tag06]

And the 9/11 comment wasn't?

They both were f**ed up. :eek:

[streator]

I don't think the X-books are in bad shape right now - there are some characters that could use a fine-tune and it would be nice to resolve the clumsy Magneto resurrection, but otherwise the books are pretty good reads. All 3 titles have their own distinct voice.

Cay
i agree on all points.

[Keith_Martineau]

Wait...

I don't believe that Quesda would be so insenstive as to say these things. He LIVES in New York (as far as I know). Where'd you read this? In Wizard, right? I smell a little bullshit here.


And if he DID say these things, then... Wow. Just wow.


Oh my God people.
READ WHAT HE SAID! Free hyperbole FOR Joe, not FROM Joe. If people start misreading that and actually accusing him of saying that, I'm'a be pissed.

[Tag06]

Wait...

I don't believe that Quesda would be so insenstive as to say these things. He LIVES in New York (as far as I know). Where'd you read this? In Wizard, right? I smell a little bullshit here.


And if he DID say these things, then... Wow. Just wow.

Wait I think it was just jj9126 of trying being funny. That's not even funny, Brian where are you someone needs to be temp banned. Very disrespectful.

[Nightcrawler]

Wait...

I don't believe that Quesda would be so insenstive as to say these things. He LIVES in New York (as far as I know). Where'd you read this? In Wizard, right? I smell a little bullshit here.


And if he DID say these things, then... Wow. Just wow.

The quote says FOR Joe, as in, offering free marketing techniques.

[The Fury]

I thought he did choose his cast? That's why Austin was told to write out Juggernaut and Nocturne?
You know he didn't realy need to write them out, Milligan just didn't want to use them. They could have stayed at the school, just not appear in Milligan's comic.

But Milligan never got to actually chose a team. He had what Austen had, Rogue, Gambit, Havok, Polaris and Iceman. He does seem to like using Emma though.

Oh and Wolverine but no one counts him any more.

[jj9126]

Wait I think it was just jj9126 of trying being funny. That's not even funny, Brian where are you someone needs to be temp banned. Very disrespectful.

Chill out. I live in NY as well and my comments clearly state I was offering free hyperbole FOR Joe. Not FROM Joe.

Besides, many comics creators (including Morrison, Millar & Others) have made 9/11 references in regards to things happening in their books. It was some dark humor, nothing more.

(and yet no one cried foul over the Amber Alert comment, which I thought was far more offensive...)

[comicartfan]

"This is 9/11 for the X-Men. Brubaker going to be crashing a 747 straight into the internet."
"The third issue will send the internet on an Arubian vacation...you know how those turn out"
"For the X-Men - this is the equivalent of finding a child's skull in your parent's attic"
"We're going to have to issue an Amber Alert for the Internet after they finish Brubaker's final issue"

Quesada is so classy,ugh, what a douchebag.

[jade_nova]

What is the secret? Could it be Xavier anally raping Cyclops and then wiping Wolverine's memories of the event?

[Beast]

Ed Brubaker posted a reply about people's comments in regarding this sounding like DC's Idenity Crisis over at MillarWorld. I have to agree with him, people shouldn't take Wizard's crappy hype as this being another IC.
This is like the 20th time I've seen someone compare this to Identity Crisis based solely on Wizard's promo sentence. What is up with people? Is there anything in there to suggest this is anything like Identity Crisis? Anyone who's read my work knows that the whole secret from the past coming back thing, that's practically my schtick.

Anyway, this is a cool project, and not a crossover, and the art is awesome. As, I guess, you'll see in Wizard.

[DDM]

"This is 9/11 for the X-Men. Brubaker going to be crashing a 747 straight into the internet."
"The third issue will send the internet on an Arubian vacation...you know how those turn out"
"For the X-Men - this is the equivalent of finding a child's skull in your parent's attic"
"We're going to have to issue an Amber Alert for the Internet after they finish Brubaker's final issue"

Quesada is so classy,ugh, what a douchebag.

This book will more than likely have the same effect as Phoenix Endsong: none. nada. zip.

Quesada's neverending hype is reason enough to ignore him when he opens his mouth--particularly at press events.

[slayer2005]

If this ends up as another "Disassembled" (in terms of the writing) or "Sins Past", I don't know what to do...

[Beast]

As for the "Internet Cracking in Half" thing...

Why the hell are you people still beating the dead horse of blaming Quesada for that? Bendis already came forward and revealed that he wrote that solicit. And that consider as many folks are bitching about it, it seems like it did break the internet in half. Sorry, but sheesh. It's getting old guys. ;)

[Keith_Martineau]

This book will more than likely have the same effect as Phoenix Endsong: none. nada. zip.

Quesada's neverending hype is reason enough to ignore him when he opens his mouth--particularly at press events.


THOSE WERE JOKES, QUESADA DIDN'T SAY THEM!

I know this is going to spin out of control. After 5 different people pointing out that it was a joke, the very next post is someone calling Joey Q to task for the statements. God people are just to willing to hate him. It's ridiculous.

[pureclint]

Wait I think it was just jj9126 of trying being funny. That's not even funny, Brian where are you someone needs to be temp banned. Very disrespectful.

Cocnur fully.


Now regardless of the hype or the circumstance we have to deal with as X-fans leading up to this I am in due to one word alone: Brubaker. Captain America is the best book being put out by Marvel now and I am excited about his Doom LS as well.

[Joe Zool]

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[crystalline green]

I'm fine with "shake ups" so long as they are an attempt to overhaul things. Adjectiveless could certainly use a shaking up. It's probably sheer presumption on my part, but I can't shake the feeling that Milligan's work would be even more engaging if he were writing a more interesting team of X-men. Astonishing seems to work fine with the cast it has and New Excalibur looks fresh. Uncanny could use a little shuffle too, IMO.

[Tobias March]

Well from what Brubaker said (not a crossover; 'project') it seems to suggest that the book will be a mini-series. And there's any number of directions he can take this if it relates to Krakoa, particularly if Xavier is now accused of deliberately having a 'superhero', team in mind to replace his students. I mean the costumes and everything...

What I love is that these days current writers are framing characters for the sins of their older writers....Byrne writes Wanda as been somewhat irrational with her need for offspring - boom - under Bendis' pen she's nuts. Whedon's current storyline with Xavier also appears to be attempting something similar.

[MasterOdin]

Brubaker also said that the "30 years" bit is supposed to be a hint to what the secret is.

[moebius]

What happened 30 years ago? Giant-Sized X-Men 1, yes?

I think the secret must be they used a Lazarus Pit on Thunderbird, who now has a cybernetic left arm and goes by the name "Desert Commando," while attempting to get vengance on Xavier for letting him die.

I kid, I kid. I trust Brubaker implicitly not to screw this up.

[Pepsigirl]

I think the secret must be they used a Lazarus Pit on Thunderbird, who now has a cybernetic left arm and goes by the name "Desert Commando," while attempting to get vengance on Xavier for letting him die.


I'd read that.

[Cayman]

It's the return of Proteus, I tell you!

Cay

[Fastballspecial]

Why do we need this? We have X-men the End which is not a shake up just a mutant blood bath. I like the X books have their own distinctive tones. Personally I only like Astonishing and can live with Uncanny.(Oh CC come back to me baby.) The other books are blah, but to each their own many love them. What we need is another mutant massacre on a more global scale to thin the herd. I mean everywhere you turn their is a mutant. They have lost their uniqueness I think.

Its all hype. Its an X book. They dont mess too much with the flagship.

[countryfan2004]

I agree. We need a massive mutant holocaust....not like I'm for holocausts or anything, but it would do the books good, and give meaning to being a mutant, being an outcast in a world that doesn't really want them. Or maybe just send out a mutant plague...something! The mutants that die and we're at one time on teams have to come back in the comics though to go out in glory. They just can't go, "oh, let's kill this guy because he's never used anymore. No one will care. Let's just show him dead and we won't ever have to worry about him again."

[Colossus]

After what Brubaker has done for Captain America I will definitely give this a try. Also, put me in the camp that does not think the X-books need a big shake up, they just need a few rough edges smoothed over.

[Nightcrawler]

I agree. We need a massive mutant holocaust....not like I'm for holocausts or anything, but it would do the books good, and give meaning to being a mutant, being an outcast in a world that doesn't really want them. Or maybe just send out a mutant plague...something!

You mean like a Genoshan Genocide, the Legacy Virus kind of thing? Seems like the MU is so over-populated with mutants as of late, they're killing them off left and right. Now, House of M is rumoured to destroy all but a few hundred muties.

[igarath]

asinde from Grant Morisson's run I can't imagine such thing...
at least not by now...