52 & ONE YEAR LATER: News, rumour & speculation *UPDATED WITH MAJOR SPOILERS* [Archive]

Typo Lad

06-30-2005, 11:51 AM

So everyone in the DCU ages a year? That's it?

A lot can happen in a year. Think of it as a bypass, but for storytelling.

What is a bypass? Let's ask that incomperable font of all knowledge, the Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Bypasses are devices which allow some people to drive from point A to point B very fast whilst other people dash from point B to point A very fast. People living at point C, being a point directly in between, are often given to wonder what's so great about point A that so many people of point B are so keen to get there, and what's so great about point B that so many people of point A are so keen to get there. They often wish that people would just once and for all work out where the hell they want to be.

So DC wants to get the DCU from A to B, without all that mucking about in Hyperspace, as it were.

The Shadow

06-30-2005, 12:13 PM

so it's basically a clean slate type thing?

Isn't Azzurello's Superman story talking place a year ahead? Does that mean Superman will be in 2007 while th erest of us are stuck in the present??? Thisi s as confusing as a Star Trek time warp episode... head... exploding... now... must... read Birds of Prey

Typo Lad

06-30-2005, 12:28 PM

lalalei2001

06-30-2005, 12:46 PM

What is INFINITE CRISIS?

Typo Lad

06-30-2005, 12:48 PM

What is INFINITE CRISIS?

The big, massive event that OMAC PROJECT, VILLIANS UNITED and a bunch of other storylines are leading up to.

Puffy Treat

06-30-2005, 01:03 PM

"Not only BIG, it's MASSIVE!"

That should be a tagline for it in the house ads.

Typo Lad

06-30-2005, 01:04 PM

"Not only BIG, it's MASSIVE!"

That should be a tagline for it in the house ads.

I'll tell my friend who works in DC marketing...

Chris CCL

06-30-2005, 01:18 PM

I think it's a great marketing technique by DC. A few titles may be cancelled and a few more will be brand new. The team’s books will certainly have different rosters, too.
In a recent article at Newsarama, DC said they would explore the "missing year" in the future.

Chris CCL

davids

06-30-2005, 01:25 PM

Batman is rehabing a broken leg. Nigtwing as become Batman while his one time mentor is rehabing.

Supergirl has proven to be a figment of every ones imagination and is quickly becoming forgotten!

A peace treaty has been signed between the United states and Themyrica, off the coast of georgia. With the help of Federal aid the Island nation is being rebuilt into vaction spot for clasical scholars and newly maried lesbian couples.

Lois lane apears to be pregnant as she excepts her pulizer prise for her articales on the past year's Crisis events.

In truth wonder woman's after a year long pregnancy is about to give birth to Clark and Lois baby girl! after finding herself pregnant Lois and clark wee terrified to discover she could not carry the child to term with out killing both lois and the baby.

Princess Diana after being put on trial for killing one time vice and president pete Ross. she was aquaited when it was revilled she did so only to save the wife of Daily planets star reporter Lois lane.

Wonder woman ended the rift between herself and superman to volintere to act as the surogate mother for superman's daughter.

At the moment she is secretly living on a small farm on the outskits of a small kansas town called smallville.

Succesfully pretending to be pregnant, Lois arives on the kents farm to attend the birth of her daughter. also in attendance was the godfather Bruce wayne walking with the aide of a cane and Mrs. scott free, recently given birth to a 22 pound bouncing baby boy herself!

The child was a bouncing baby girl with blond hair and blue eyes. In a side note the girl named power girl found some old pictures of her own mother as a baby. she had blond hair blue eyes and was born in kansas!

DOVETAILS

06-30-2005, 01:25 PM

All stories from the past few years are coming to a head, it seems. I like that.. I have a feeling a lot of things will have decent conclusions. And the characters will be fresh again. Kind of sick of suffocating continuity forever. But if it's for a good cause it's great. It's pretty great right now.

Lex

06-30-2005, 07:18 PM

As much as I dislike most of this Infinite Crisis stuff, I'm really looking forward to One Year Later. What I like most is that all the tie-ins will end and every book will go back to telling its own, unique story. Plus, it will be a jumping-on point for nearly every DCU book.

And, one of the coolest things is that Grant Morrison will be reviving a ton of obscure and forgotten DC characters. That's what I'm excited about.

Ring Slinger

06-30-2005, 07:22 PM

Who will Morrison be revamping/reviving?

The Shadow

06-30-2005, 07:25 PM

Kind of sick of suffocating continuity forever.
But then writers will "fill the gap" adding stuff to continuity which will then get retconned or ignored or changed anyway... tis the nature of the comic beast!

Lex

06-30-2005, 07:33 PM

Who will Morrison be revamping/reviving?

We don't know yet. There was a Newsarama article about it. Apparently, Morrison has detailed notes on just about every character at DC, Marvel and even characters outside of comics like James Bond. He'll be using those detailed notes to write some of his ideas and also hand the notes to other writers.

In the article, Didio said he wanted to test Morrison to see if he really did have notes on all those characters. So, he suggested the Freedom Fighters and then Morrison pulled out a 20 page folder full of notes and drawing he's done. It was kinda funny and it has led to a lot of internet speculation that a Freedom Fighters book could be one of the first of these revamps/revivals.

Personally, I'm expecting some really obscure characters to appear. Like, Mind-Grabber Kid, Amethyst, Ur the Caveboy, Yankee Doodle and the list could go on and on.

2006 is going to be a really fun year!

HartyPotter

07-01-2005, 08:17 PM

I love stuff like this. One Year Forward is a great idea. I'm drooling at the chance to find some great jumping on points.

marshal99

07-01-2005, 08:37 PM

Didn't marvel already did it with the one year forward crap with Excaliber. ;)

In one year , supergirl , identity crisis , dc countdown turned out to be a bad dream of Superman who found himself as a prisoner on board a spaceship , he's being attached to a some evil dreamplant attached by Mongul in a reworking of "For the man who has everything".
Sue is still alive , so is Beetle , Max is not some murderous "black king" , supergirl is gone , Dr Light never rape Sue , Loren never became Eclipso , etc etc. IF only ....

DOVETAILS

07-04-2005, 08:25 AM

So any ideas what won't make it through to the one year forward jump?

I'm just gonna guess Gotham Central. Gotham Knights. Maybe even Legends of the dark knight. Hmm. Maybe i should post this on the bat board :p Probably outsiders? Hawkman? Firestorm? Anyone have any legit info?

I'm sure some great titles will get canned.. But maybe we'll get a ton of awesome new titles.
Fair trade? As long as Plastic Man doesn't get cut it's fair :cool: Ack. I hope some titles don't have to "one year forward" it. Plastic man's got no need for that! Although it could be funny.

Cayman

07-04-2005, 08:51 AM

SUPERECWFAN1

07-04-2005, 09:00 AM

Firestorm just got a new creative team. Its safe for now. I haven't heard of any cancellations yet.

Lex

07-04-2005, 09:20 AM

I have trouble guessing what's going to happen because I think that there will be a lot of surprises. Unexpected books being cancelled and then really unexpected books starting for the "One Year Later" month.

They could cancel books like Doom Patrol and Breach, or they could bring on new creative teams and try to make them like a brand new books.

My guess that I'm most sure of is that they will cancel Batman: Gotham Knights and start a brand new Bat book in its place (with a new creative team).

Another guess is that Outsiders will either be cancelled or radically changed (with new characters and possibly a new creative team).

And then I think there will be some surprising cancellations. Green Arrow maybe? I don't know. I just think there will be one or two book cancellations that will makes us go, "Huh? Why? I didn't think that book would be cancelled!"

I hope some titles don't have to "one year forward" it. Plastic man's got no need for that! Although it could be funny.

Oh if there's any title that can make crossover issues funny, it's Plastic Man. Baker could do a story where Plas jumps ahead more than one year and then tries to get back... and hilarity ensues. If Kyle Baker can make Abraham Lincoln's murder funny, he can make anything funny.

Forefinger

07-04-2005, 09:55 AM

I wouldn't mind them cancelling Green Arrow or Outsiders. I have dropped both of them. Please don't let them cancel Nightwing!

Yoda

07-04-2005, 10:10 AM

Dido's made some statements that would lead one to believe that Gotham Central is going to be sticking around for a while. So I don't think that that's going anywhere.

While I have loved Green Arrow up until this recent Riddler story, I think it might benefit from a reboot with a new creative team. Or just bring back Hester & Parks - Nightwing is probably going to be on hiatus, i don't see them canceling that book for too long.

ZombieHavoc

07-04-2005, 10:15 AM

they won't cancel gotham knights and LOTDK because they are both pretty worthless titles. the fact that gotham central is good is a good indication that it will get cancelled.

SUPERECWFAN1

07-04-2005, 10:18 AM

I wouldn't mind them cancelling Green Arrow or Outsiders. I have dropped both of them. Please don't let them cancel Nightwing!

I dropped Green Arrow because Its going nowhere fast. The entire Mia debacle made me drop It at 45#

The Shadow

07-04-2005, 10:21 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Green Arrow and Green Lantern go the way opf the dodo... but I think Doom Patrol is the next likely book to go bye.

The Wayner

07-04-2005, 10:25 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Green Arrow and Green Lantern go the way of the dodo...

GL is only on #2! Give Hal a break, man, lol. :D

The Shadow

07-04-2005, 10:27 AM

GL is only on #2! Give Hal a break, man, lol. :D
LOL

NEVER! He should still be dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;)

SUPERECWFAN1

07-04-2005, 10:33 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Green Arrow and Green Lantern go the way opf the dodo... but I think Doom Patrol is the next likely book to go bye.

Whatever happened to that guy who would post all those positive reviews about Doom Patrol on here ? He was trying to get that book over to fans and for that I give him props.

DOVETAILS

07-04-2005, 10:42 AM

Yoda! Your hulk icon sure is creepy. It looks like two hulks smashing heads! (look at it now that i've mentioned this!) ;)

The Shadow

07-04-2005, 10:45 AM

Whatever happened to that guy who would post all those positive reviews about Doom Patrol on here ? He was trying to get that book over to fans and for that I give him props.
Read my review and you would understand what I'm saying!!! http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=66441

tigermagee

07-04-2005, 10:46 AM

I think Green Arrow is one of the best title DC is putting out at the moment. If anythin hsould be cancelled it should be Doom Patrol, its just poor

DOVETAILS

07-04-2005, 10:46 AM

I'm sure we'll get a new creative team on gotham knights at least.. But wait? Why not just cancel it and have that creative team get their own(TM) title with a new #1 ! Wheeeee ;)

I'm sure DC will go for a new bat-book in favor of keeping GK around.

Maybe we'll get a blue bettle title.. Blue Bettle: One Year Backwards :o .

KevinTBrown

07-04-2005, 10:56 AM

LOL

NEVER! He should still be dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;)
Only on a comics message board can we have a discussion like that..... :D

Yoda

07-04-2005, 10:57 AM

I dropped Green Arrow because Its going nowhere fast. The entire Mia debacle made me drop It at 45#

I think that the Mia "New Blood" arc was probably the last good arc on that title. The art was some of Hester & Parks strongest on the title, and Winnick actually handled the subject matter a lot better than i ever thought he could.

I think since that arc the title has gone downhill fast. The Teen Titans issue was alright, but the whole riddler arc was terrible and made little sense. I really hope the Deathstroke and Dr. Light arcs can redeem this book. And they need a new art team. I gave them a shot but it's just bad.

Yoda

07-04-2005, 10:59 AM

Yoda! Your hulk icon sure is creepy. It looks like two hulks smashing heads! (look at it now that i've mentioned this!) ;)

I'm not seein it, he's just taken a quick dip, coolin down from all the Hulk Smashin. It's taken from a cover by Dedonato from a while back. Guy never should have left Hulk. Drew probably the best Hulk since Keown.

SUPERECWFAN1

07-04-2005, 11:00 AM

I'm sure we'll get a new creative team on gotham knights at least.. But wait? Why not just cancel it and have that creative team get their own title with a new #1 ! Wheeeee ;)

I'm sure DC will go for a new bat-book in favor of keeping GK around.

Maybe we'll get a blue bettle title.. Blue Bettle: One Year Backwards :o .

Blue Beetle i bet does get a title ! Its like the 80's right now. Except all we need Is Blue Devil to get his own series.

Forefinger

07-04-2005, 11:15 AM

Blue Beetle i bet does get a title ! Its like the 80's right now. Except all we need Is Blue Devil to get his own series.
Who would be Blue Beetle? Would someone get the superpowered beetle, or be a gadget tech guy like Ted Kord?

Zero Hunter

07-04-2005, 11:19 AM

Books I think will be in the danger zone:
Aquaman - just never recovered fully from that horrible first year of the current series
Green Arrow - unless a new team is brought in to pump some life into it
Outsiders - probaly going to get a big revamp
Catwomen, Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Gotham Central- one or more of them I think will get the chop. Probaly GC, Batgirl, Catwomen are the front runners.
Hawkman - even though the books is great again it might be too far under to make it.
Breach - I think it ends at 12
Doom Patrol - pretty sure it will be gone
Blood of the Demon - not a big seller but it is a good book so far

Out of those 12 titles I think at least 4 maybe 5 get cut.

Expletive Deleted

07-04-2005, 11:24 AM

Cayman

07-04-2005, 11:52 AM

I was thinking that Breach and Manhunter might survive low sales just because they've been working them into the whole Infinite Crisis thing. But I imagine they'll not last long if sales don't improve afterwards.

Cay

Beta Ray Bill

07-04-2005, 12:00 PM

I thought I read somewhere that Doom Patrol was over at #18 anyways. We'll see. I'm sad to say it but I think that Aquaman might get the axe. I hope not...

Lex

07-04-2005, 12:31 PM

I really doubt anything will get cancelled for story reasons. Why axe something that's selling?
If this was a normal situation, I would completely agree with you. Even though a book like Flash is selling really well, they may just cancel it for this One Year Later event. The reason would probably be related to Infinite Crisis' story. For example: What if Flash dies in IC? DC could either continue the book with a different character as Flash or cancel the book and start a... Kid Flash book maybe?

Who knows. I think people are going to be very surprised by what happens during Infinite Crisis.

I thought I read somewhere that Doom Patrol was over at #18 anyways. We'll see. I'm sad to say it but I think that Aquaman might get the axe. I hope not...
Well, it's not officially cancelled at #18, but Byrne has said that he's been contracted to write the book up until #18. Before that, I never even realised that a comic book creative team signs a contract with the company to work on a book for a time (Byrne said it's usually 6 issues worth). It makes sense, from a business standpoint, but I guess I never thought about it before.

#18 is in November, so who knows what'll happen. DC might extend the contract up to the One Year Later month and then figure out what they want to do with the book.

Sharcque

07-04-2005, 01:22 PM

While it's been announced that Grayson is off of Nightwing, no new creative team has been announced. I think her current run ends along with IC....coincidence?

Captain Jim

07-04-2005, 01:45 PM

I'm sure we'll get a new creative team on gotham knights at least.. But wait? Why not just cancel it and have that creative team get their own(TM) title with a new #1 ! Wheeeee ;)

I'm sure DC will go for a new bat-book in favor of keeping GK around.

There's certainly precident for this. Gotham Knights itself was a replacement for Shadow of the Bat at the end of NML.

Captain Jim

07-04-2005, 01:47 PM

Who would be Blue Beetle? Would someone get the superpowered beetle, or be a gadget tech guy like Ted Kord?

Some of the remarks in Countdown makes me think it'll be the former. Some have suggested that Booster might become the new Beetle. Sasha has also been suggested as a possibliity, though I think that's less likely.

Captain Jim

07-04-2005, 02:03 PM

I really doubt anything will get cancelled for story reasons. Why axe something that's selling?

PLASTIC MAN isn't doing so hot, but it wins awards and I think I've heard that trade sales are good.

From least to most in DCU ongoings (not including minis or already cancelled series, as of May (http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/7058.html)), we have . . .

PLASTIC MAN
BREACH
MANHUNTER
DOOM PATROL
GOTHAM CENTRAL
BLOOD OF THE DEMON
AQUAMAN
FIRESTORM
HAWKMAN - At about the 20k mark
CATWOMAN
LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT
BATGIRL
BIRDS OF PREY
ROBIN
GOTHAM KNIGHTS
WONDER WOMAN
GREEN ARROW
NIGHTWING
ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN
DETECTIVE COMICS
OUTSIDERS (23) - At about the 40k mark
LEGION OF SUPERHEROES
ACTION COMICS
JLA CLASSIFIED
FLASH
OUTSIDERS (24)
JSA
JLA - At about the 60k mark
SUPERMAN (217)
BATMAN
TEEN TITANS
SUPERMAN (216)
GREEN LANTERN

SUPERMAN/BATMAN didn't ship, but it'd be near the top of the heap.

Now that's interesting. According to this, Outsiders is doing pretty respectable, even before the Teen Titans crossover. I didn't realize Flash was such a good seller either, or Legion, for that matter (no slight intended; quality and sales do not always go hand in hand).

Green Arrow and Nightwing both look pretty safe too (unless either is canceled just to start it over again), as do all of the other bat-spinoffs.

I agree about Plastic Man getting a reprieve and am hoping for the same for Manhunter (which is excellent and gets rave reviews). Gotham Central has gotten one for a long time but now that Brubaker and Lark are both gone, it's hard to say if it'll last. If so, they might as well just rename the book "Rene Montoya," since she's evidently the only charcter Rucka is interested in. I think they'll want to give the new Firestorm a bit longer too, especially with a new writer just starting up.

That leaves Doom Patrol, the Demon and Aquaman as all likely suspects. But I agree that there'll probably be some surprizes. :)

The Shadow

07-04-2005, 03:41 PM

That leaves Doom Patrol, the Demon and Aquaman as all likely suspects. But I agree that there'll probably be some surprizes. :)
I would hope they'll give the Demon a chance! It's a great read.

If they cancel Batgirl I would be quite upset as its one of my favorite titles and IMO the best of the Batbooks at the moment.

The Wayner

07-06-2005, 03:57 AM

I hear a lot of mention in this forum for stories that will be set "One Year Later". Now, aside from said stories taking place twelve months after the fact, is this some kind of DC event I'm missing out on? Why are so many stories going to be set "One Year Later"?

Expletive Deleted

07-06-2005, 07:39 AM

It's a universe-wide stunt that's going to take place right after INFINITE CRISIS.

The Wayner

07-06-2005, 07:49 AM

I appreciate the response. Thanks! :)

davids

07-06-2005, 07:53 AM

just suposing. How would you like to snuggell with her on a cold winter night! You would have to be a superman.

Zero Hunter

07-06-2005, 09:48 AM

Captain Jim

07-06-2005, 08:03 PM

IIRC, there was also the feeling that it would be boring to show everyone resuming their normal lives and routine all at the same time. So now we will see people in the middle of new situations.

Lorendiac

07-06-2005, 08:49 PM

IIRC, there was also the feeling that it would be boring to show everyone resuming their normal lives and routine all at the same time. So now we will see people in the middle of new situations.

Great, now you're stirring up my sense of humor, and we all know what terrible things can occur when someone does that. What if it goes like this?

First Issue of one of the Batman titles to be published after the One-Year-Forward Leap

Page 1.
Panel 1. Tim Drake is finishing a long-winded speech.

TIM: -- And that's how I solved the nagging question of how Jason Todd had come back from the dead!

BRUCE: Good detective work, Tim! I knew there had to be a logical answer, but I was too close to it emotionally to sort out the real clues from the red herrings!

TIM (modestly): I just applied the lessons you taught me, Bruce, and then followed my gut.

[Move on to Page 2, where they start talking about their newest case. The Mysterious Return of Jason Todd is never mentioned again in any comic book! It's all been resolved during that missing year, and we were just unlucky enough to miss Tim's brilliant speech that wrapped it all up in one nice, logical explanation of how he fit all the clues together and found solid evidence to confirm them!]

Wouldn't it be utterly hilarious if DC actually did that to us to show us how much we had missed during the lost year?

Sandy Hausler

07-07-2005, 04:57 AM

It is going to take place during the Infinite Crisis mini series actully. About the time issues 5 or 6 of the mini come out I think. Evidenlty somthing big will happen in the end of Infinite Crisis and DC does not want it spoiled by other books before the mini ends so all the books will do the jump ahead while the mini series finishes up to make sure it stays a secret.

That's actually not a bad idea. How many "big" stories have spawned awful crossovers in other books? I think that bad crossovers do not support other books in the long run and by taking them out of the picture, DC can focus on the real story in the Infinite Crisis book.

BTW, is it just me or are most of the currently running mini-series really awful?

Sandy Hausler

Lex

07-07-2005, 11:19 AM

BTW, is it just me or are most of the currently running mini-series really awful?

Nope it's not just you. Rann/Thanagar had potential to be cool, but the writing has been disappointing. Day of Vengeance is the best one, but that's because I love obscure/underused characters like Ragman, Blue Devil and Detective Chimp. Villains United is okay... Gail's writing is aways good, but I have trouble staying interested in it. And OMAC is dumb and boring.

glennsim

07-07-2005, 05:37 PM

Nope it's not just you. Rann/Thanagar had potential to be cool, but the writing has been disappointing. Day of Vengeance is the best one, but that's because I love obscure/underused characters like Ragman, Blue Devil and Detective Chimp. Villains United is okay... Gail's writing is aways good, but I have trouble staying interested in it. And OMAC is dumb and boring.

But it is, however, just the two of you... :D

Ray192

07-07-2005, 05:40 PM

indeed.

I have enjoyed the hell out of all the minis. Though I could use less Batman/OMAC/Checkmate and more Booster/Guy/JLI.

hondobrode

07-07-2005, 05:45 PM

I have liked Villains United, really liked both Rann / Thanagar and Day of Vengence, and loved OMAC !

I'm hardwired into Infinite Crisis and can't wait for it to come. I'm not buying all the crossovers but am liking what I have read that ties into it.

Captain Jim

07-07-2005, 09:18 PM

I haven't read the others yet, but I am absolutely loving OMAC.

Expletive Deleted

07-19-2005, 12:20 PM

From today's Lying In The Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg)Hot from the convention floor is this little project from DC's stables. Currently called "52," though that might change, it's a planned weekly comic from DC.

Hasn't been one of those since "Action Comics Weekly," and that wasn't a barnstorming success. However, "52" ties in with the much anticipated One Year Gap.

Spread across the DC Universe, it will cover what happened in the Gap, chronologically, week by week, using a number of creative teams-- which will naturally include Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Mark Waid along the way.I tend to think this sort of defeats the purpose of the gap (it's less of a fresh start this way), but I suppose it'll depend on the creative team.

foxfire

07-19-2005, 12:24 PM

Wow I actually think that's pretty cool.

So will it last 52 issues?

protege

07-19-2005, 12:30 PM

exactly how are they going to pull this off? is there really a need to cover what happened in the DCU every single week in that missing year, if the other titles are supposed to cover the highlights?

Expletive Deleted

07-19-2005, 12:34 PM

All we have to go on is Rich's rumor item, but . . . I don't think it would necessarily have to go week-by-week.

It could be a case of bringing in a different creative team each month and having them do a four-parter about what their character was up to for that year, or something along those lines.

Until it's actually announced, we won't know.

ScottDMSimmons

07-19-2005, 12:34 PM

I don't know if I like this idea or not yet.

There's something interesting about filling in the blanks yourself, or letting the mystery unravel as time goes on (like did this event happen with COIE/Zero Hour in effect or not?)... but I suppose it COULD allow for some interestingly stories built with compression (think issue!) versus decompression (think trade!) in mind.

--Scott

Lex

07-19-2005, 12:36 PM

I tend to think this sort of defeats the purpose of the gap (it's less of a fresh start this way), but I suppose it'll depend on the creative team.

I'm not sure I like it either. I thought each seperate DC book would address the one year gap. So if you wanted to know what happened to Superman, you could, I don't know, read one of the actual Superman books. To me, this is a pointless tie-in to a book you shouldn't have to read (and I thought there weren't going to be any tie-ins after "One Year Later").

The only thing that would make this idea good is if it focused on characters that don't have their own series. And if Morrison and Waid are some of the writers, well, I may grudgingly pick up an issue or two.

And I disliked the comparison to Action Comics Weekly. I always felt that what made ACW special was that each issue had multiple stories and focused on lesser-known characters. As much as I hope 52 will focus on characters without their own series, I'm sure it has to have Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman all over the place to be marketable.

Expletive Deleted

07-19-2005, 12:40 PM

. . . and I thought there weren't going to be any tie-ins after "One Year Later."DC also has a large, metal object spanning a narrow body of water that you may be interested in purchasing.

Tom

07-19-2005, 12:41 PM

I say "bah" to your griping. This sounds cool. I always thought the DCU could benefit from an "Astro City" style book that dealt with the whole of the DCU at once rather than whatever the starring character's backdrop consists of.

I never got the impression from the news stories and interviews that the main titles were going to spend much time or energy filling in the gaps. The most I heard was that it'd be "dealt with" or "referred to." My understanding of OYL is that it's meant to wipe the slate clean on the individual books and allow them to get on with whatever the new status quo is.

Expletive Deleted

07-19-2005, 12:46 PM

My understanding of OYL is that it's meant to wipe the slate clean on the individual books and allow them to get on with whatever the new status quo is.That was my understanding, too.

But isn't the "getting on with it" vibe undercut if you know there are four dozen odd comics coming up to explain how the "it" came about?

Tom

07-19-2005, 12:49 PM

That was my understanding, too.

But isn't the "getting on with it" vibe undercut if you know there are four dozen odd comics coming up to explain how the "it" came about?
I hate to pull this cliche out, but you're not obligated to buy them - and since the main books don't seem to be planning on doing much to address the gap, it looks to me like DC came up with a rather clever plan to give everyone the option to read what they want.

Expletive Deleted

07-19-2005, 12:55 PM

I hate to pull this cliche out, but you're not obligated to buy themI suppose that's true, inasmuch as it's always true.

It kind of assumes the two will stand on their own, though. That you won't need to read one to understand the other. Given DC's output over the last year, do you want to bet on that being the case?

Lex

07-19-2005, 01:01 PM

DC also has a large, metal object spanning a narrow body of water that you may be interested in purchasing.
I saw that deal and it looks on the up-and-up... but I'm not sure about the "assembly required" business. :)

I never got the impression from the news stories and interviews that the main titles were going to spend much time or energy filling in the gaps. The most I heard was that it'd be "dealt with" or "referred to." My understanding of OYL is that it's meant to wipe the slate clean on the individual books and allow them to get on with whatever the new status quo is.I hate to pull this cliche out, but you're not obligated to buy them - and since the main books don't seem to be planning on doing much to address the gap, it looks to me like DC came up with a rather clever plan to give everyone the option to read what they want.

Clear headed minds prevail once again. I was too busy complaining about what I thought was another meaningly tie-in, that I didn't look at it from any other angle.

If it does turn out this way, it would certainly be the best possible option. The people who want good, unique stories in the main books will get them. And then the people who want to know what's been happening in the gap will also get what they want in what looks to be a very popular book. Everyone's happy.

Okay, I'm back to thinking that One Year Later is going to be very good.

Tom

07-19-2005, 01:11 PM

I suppose that's true, inasmuch as it's always true.

It kind of assumes the two will stand on their own, though. That you won't need to read one to understand the other. Given DC's output over the last year, do you want to bet on that being the case?

Oh man, I'm sounding like such a fanboy apologist in this thread but honestly, I think DC's been doing a fairly good job lately of just that. I'm reading OMAC and Villains United. Rann/Thanagar was a dreary bore so I dropped it after one issue. Day of Vengeance interests me about as much as the character of the SPectre does. In other words, barely at all so I'm not reading it. I don't feel like I'm missing out on one thing.

There was a lot of griping about the Superman/Wonder Woman tie-ins between OMAC issues. I read the first two, realized that they have little to do with OMAC and don't plan on buying the rest. It appears that the tie-in is stuff that happens between the issues and somewhat apart from the main story. I'm fine with that.

And yeah, too much stuff is tying into Identity Crisis but I really don't think anyone who hasn't read it really needs to. The main point of the story - the mindwiping - is being re-explained every time it's brought up, exactly the way comics were written in the Silver Age, arguably the genre's high point in both sales and quality.

Ooops. I'm ranting.

Expletive Deleted

07-19-2005, 01:33 PM

Oh man, I'm sounding like such a fanboy apologist in this threadAnd I'm sounding like a disgruntled, cynical fanboy, so I think we're set!but honestly, I think DC's been doing a fairly good job lately of just that. I'm reading OMAC and Villains United. Rann/Thanagar was a dreary bore so I dropped it after one issue. Day of Vengeance interests me about as much as the character of the SPectre does. In other words, barely at all so I'm not reading it. I don't feel like I'm missing out on one thing.I don't think the last few issues of JSA would've been entirely comprehensible if I hadn't been reading DAY OF VENGEANCE. And some of the random cameos from VILLAINS UNITED and OMAC characters in various DCU books (BREACH, BIRDS OF PREY, etc.) sort of fall under the same heading.

I suppose you could make the argument that people reading both will appreciate the crossover elements and people not reading the mini won't really care, but it still bugs me.There was a lot of griping about the Superman/Wonder Woman tie-ins between OMAC issues. I read the first two, realized that they have little to do with OMAC and don't plan on buying the rest. It appears that the tie-in is stuff that happens between the issues and somewhat apart from the main story. I'm fine with that.That'll sort of depend on how the next issue plays out, though, won't it? I'm not reading OMAC, but I was under the impression that Batman was a major player. And given what I've read about the "Sacrifice" stuff . . . you'd think that'd be a pretty big deal once OMAC starts up again.And yeah, too much stuff is tying into Identity Crisis but I really don't think anyone who hasn't read it really needs to. The main point of the story - the mindwiping - is being re-explained every time it's brought up, exactly the way comics were written in the Silver Age, arguably the genre's high point in both sales and quality.The mind-wiping, yeah, but I've noticed some fairly oblique references to the Jean/Sue stuff in DAY OF VENGEANCE and JSA that you'd have to know some IDC details to get.

I have no objection to this sort of thing when the connections are explained so that each book stands on its own (Silver Age, ahoy!), but I don't see that happening to the extent that I'd like.

Babylon23

07-19-2005, 10:11 PM

I'm certainly interested in this series, if it is legit. My main concern, however, would be financial. A 52 issue weekly series is a big commitment.

Phil Kollar

07-19-2005, 11:14 PM

Like they said in the article, sounds like a continuity fans dream. I'd add it to my pull list.

grendel824

07-19-2005, 11:40 PM

As long as it means 52 more good comics out in a year, I couldn't be happier. DC has some really strong 2nd-, 3rd-, 4th-, and so on-tier characters that, in the right hands (like Morrison's, Johns's, and Waid's, among many others) can shine. It looks like it'll be quite a strong year for DC.

hondobrode

07-20-2005, 10:15 PM

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07-25-2005, 11:37 AM

From Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=38968)“The story of 52 begins the week after Infinite Crisis concludes and runs weekly thereafter,” DiDio told Newsarama. “It answers most of the outstanding questions from the missing year, but more importantly it sets the tone for our world and the direction of the DC Universe for the years to come.”More in the link.

titanfan

07-25-2005, 11:49 AM

There was a lot of griping about the Superman/Wonder Woman tie-ins between OMAC issues. I read the first two, realized that they have little to do with OMAC and don't plan on buying the rest. It appears that the tie-in is stuff that happens between the issues and somewhat apart from the main story. I'm fine with that.

Might wanna pick up the 3rd one. Unless they plan on recapping in the next OMAC, I was shocked at the amount the story progressed.

Expletive Deleted

07-25-2005, 12:34 PM

From today's Lying In The Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13):

DOOM PATROL is cancelled with #18. BREACH is cancelled with #11.

OYL Spoilers:

Bruce Wayne has been committed to Arkham Asylum and Nightwing has assumed the mantle of The Batman. Nightwing, however, will continue as an ongoing comic.

Keep in mind, it's only a rumor.

Headhunter

07-25-2005, 12:55 PM

Filling in a gap that never actually happened seems like a non-starter, doesn't it?

Deathstroke

07-25-2005, 01:49 PM

So DC really is wanting me to cancel my pull list titles from them eh?

This regards the spoiler portion of your post.

GremlinClr

07-25-2005, 01:50 PM

I think it's a great idea. I'm sure the arcs will be rotating creative teams and hopefully it will be a thinner book for $ 1 ea, not unlike Dark Horse did with Comics' Greatest World about 12 years ago.

That's the sticking point for me.

As for the nuts and bolts of whatís important to readers, DiDio declined to name a price point for 52, saying only, "We are well aware of the fan's financial investment in a series like this, and we are all working to find ways to make this as attractive as possible."

$1 to $1.50 I'll bite. $2 is stretching it. Anything over $2 a book (which is unlikely) then I'll skip it.

EDIT

This has me wondering:

"The story of 52 begins the week after Infinite Crisis concludes and runs weekly thereafter," DiDio told Newsarama. "It answers most of the outstanding questions from the missing year, but more importantly it sets the tone for our world and the direction of the DC Universe for the years to come."

Now that seems to me that we will the OYL scenario for a few years at least. So does that mean that eventually things will simply reboot to before OYL and take a different path? If that's the case then it's hard to get invested in something so large that basically will turn into a huge imaginary story.

I mean if the spoiler is true about Dick becoming Batman we know it's not gonna stay that way. Bruce will be back.

It just kinda worries me, I would prefer it be permanant to give the stories more "weight".

Buried Alien

07-25-2005, 01:58 PM

Kevinroc

07-25-2005, 02:03 PM

That spoiler sounds pretty temporary. Could be interesting depending on how they play it but definitely sounds temporary.

Not a shock that Breach and Doom Patrol are being canned.

Expletive Deleted

07-25-2005, 02:06 PM

Cancelling comic book titles that have only run up to the teens hardly seems like an epic move. Cancelling titles that have run for decades into the hundreds (i.e. the old Pre-COIE THE FLASH and WONDER WOMAN titles) ...now *that* would be head-turning.I don't think these cancellations are meant to be of the head turning type, given that both titles are plumbing the depths of the sales chart.

In other words, these look more sales related than CRISIS related.

Shellhead

07-25-2005, 02:44 PM

I'm certainly interested in this series, if it is legit. My main concern, however, would be financial. A 52 issue weekly series is a big commitment.

It's a big commitment for DC, too. I wonder if they will cut it short if sales are disappointing.

EDmanwalking

07-25-2005, 03:07 PM

You have to admire DC for taking a risk like this. Personally, I can not wait. I thought the mood here at CBR would be a little sour in reaction to this, but I was wrong. If this is at a reasonable price, with hopefully no delays, then it could really deliver. Plus you have A Star Talent like Johns, Rucka, Waid, Morrison, Loeb on board and it can't go wrong. I can't wait, everything leading up to and spinning out of Infinite Crisis is just getting me more and more excited!

The Crime Dentist

07-25-2005, 05:06 PM

Before I read those spoilers, what the heck does OYL stand for?

Also, I applaud the cancellation of Doom Patrol. That series should never have been allowed to happen in the first place. DC needs to undo its continuity asap, assuming Crisis doesn't. I'm sending in my proposal now...

Tenebrae

07-25-2005, 05:10 PM

Before I read those spoilers, what the heck does OYL stand for?

OYL stands for One Year Later, the event lined up to follow on the heels of Infinite Crisis, in which the DCU jumps forward a year.

Sir Tim Drake

07-25-2005, 08:42 PM

Please tell me this is not going to affect Legion of Super-Heroes.

Michael P

07-25-2005, 08:44 PM

Please tell me this is not going to affect Legion of Super-Heroes.
This is not going to affect Legion of Super-Heroes.

Now, I have no way of knowing whether or not that's true, but you were very nice about your request, so I couldn't just leave you hanging.

The Shadow

07-25-2005, 08:49 PM

Cancelling titles that have run for decades into the hundreds (i.e. the old Pre-COIE THE FLASH and WONDER WOMAN titles) ...now *that* would be head-turning.[/COLOR]
And annoying as I have a nice complete Wonder Woman run!!! :mad:

Sharcque

07-25-2005, 09:33 PM

Have any artists been announced? I can't see just 1 doing the whole thing, unless it was Mike Deodato circa 1994. :p

Justin Davis

07-25-2005, 09:37 PM

From today's Lying In The Gutters (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13):

DOOM PATROL is cancelled with #18. BREACH is cancelled with #11.

Son of a bitch! I knew Didio was being too coy with me when he answered my question about in-house ads and promotions for smaller books like Breach when he said, "Breach is very important and tied into Infinite Crisis. Keep a lookout for what happens next with it." Well, apparently, what happens next is that it gets cancelled! Dammit.

OYL Spoilers:

Bruce Wayne has been committed to Arkham Asylum and Nightwing has assumed the mantle of The Batman. Nightwing, however, will continue as an ongoing comic.

Keep in mind, it's only a rumor.

I'm curious how Nightwing will continute if he's taken over the role of Batman. Also, while I'd like to see him actually take over the role, I doubt it'll happen just because Bruce Wayne will be in Arkham. That's more likely to be the concentration of the story.

Apathy Boy

07-25-2005, 10:24 PM

Dang. My pocketbook won't like it, but I'll probably wind up picking this up. I wasn't really interested in a story about "filling in the gaps," but then Didio had to mention that "52" would focus on the mystery of what happened to the six lead characters - characters who wouldn't be seen in the "One Year Later" universe.

My nose is twitching...

Bored at 3:00AM

07-26-2005, 12:00 AM

So, does this mean we get to have the Silver Age, Bronze Age & Morrison era Doom Patrol stories back in continuity?

Man, what a giant cock-up that was....

Kid Seven

07-26-2005, 12:12 AM

I'm onboard for 52, sounds interesting to me.

(But then again so did John Byrne on Wonder Woman and "The Return of Donna Troy".)

:rolleyes:

Sk8maven

07-26-2005, 09:13 AM

> Son of a bitch! I knew Didio was being too coy with me when he
> answered my question about in-house ads and promotions for
> smaller books like Breach when he said, "Breach is very important
> and tied into Infinite Crisis. Keep a lookout for what happens
> next with it." Well, apparently, what happens next is that it gets
> cancelled! Dammit.

Lesson #2 in DiDio-Speak. Lesson #1 was "the importance of Blue Beetle".
Any time he says anything or anyone is "very important", it's the kiss of death. Count on it. :p

Maven

Kid Seven

07-26-2005, 12:52 PM

Does anyone know how it's gonna work in terms of artists and writers? I know Morrison, Johns and the usual suspects are involved, but has any artist(s) been anounced?

Captain Jim

07-26-2005, 08:53 PM

To answer a couple of questions, DiDio said in a recent interview that Legion would NOT be affected.

And no, I don't believe any artists have been announced.

Paul Newell

07-27-2005, 05:03 PM

NOTE to those whose posts I just deleted:

Guys, if you wanna talk about Marvel or House of M, then head to the Marvel board. This is the DC Board and this thread is to talk about 52 and OYL.

Emerald Ghost

07-31-2005, 06:11 PM

Just wondering, LOSH is building up right now to a war, and I'm wondering what'll happen if they OYL leap ahead.

We're seeing just before the war, so that would put us just after it (assuming the war is less than a year...if it's more, then perhaps we'll see the middle or tail end of it).

Kid Seven

07-31-2005, 06:40 PM

I don't believe that LOSH is gonna be subject to OYL. Only books in the 'present' will jump.

Emerald Ghost

07-31-2005, 06:52 PM

Okay. They didn't say one way or the other, though?

(And sorry for posting a new thread on this, I didn't realize it went here. :) )

Paul Newell

07-31-2005, 07:10 PM

There was mention at the Infinite Crisis panel at San Diego that the Legion would be unaffected....Though from what I remember the quote was more cryptic than that.....I'll see if I can find it....

Emerald Ghost

07-31-2005, 07:14 PM

There was mention at the Infinite Crisis panel at San Diego that the Legion would be unaffected....Though from what I remember the quote was more cryptic than that.....I'll see if I can find it....

Thank you very muchly. :)

Paul Newell

07-31-2005, 08:57 PM

My memory is really bad and I can't find the quote...But it went along the lines of:

Question: Will the legion also jump a year?

Didio: It already has.

Something like that, anyway...

Michael Painter

07-31-2005, 09:03 PM

yeoman

07-31-2005, 09:15 PM

Paul Newell

07-31-2005, 10:30 PM

Paul, I think the whole Coluan tragedy talked about by Indigo (Brainiac 8), was the one that happened in Legion recently.
I'm also that Legion already has been affected because of Crisis because one of the first issues featured a flashback, that Barry Kitson said was going to happen very, very soon. Sounded like Crisis.
that's right! I forgot they mentioned that the JLA scene from #1 was an actual upcoming story...Glancing at it again, it looks like it could be the JLAers vs the Society...

...Is the Joker a member?

Phoney Bone

08-01-2005, 01:08 AM

Season three of Justice League Unlimited will center around the theme of the Legion of Doom being a concentrated effort by Luthor and Gorilla Grodd to organize the villians of the DC(Animated)U. Seems like Villians United and the preview for Infinite Crisis (in this month's Wizard) to me.

I think that this enforces my theory that the comic book guys and Bruce Timm's crew have been working together for the last few years with the outcome being, after Infinite Crisis, that the comic book DC will resemble the more-recognizable animated DC in tone.

Napolean Blownapart

08-02-2005, 08:14 AM

About the latest LITG rumor who do you think will die and be replaced. My money is on Wonder Woman being replaced by the recently returned from the dead Donna Troy. Just when she's finally getting interesting. I think Donna Troy is going to be replacing WW and Dick will be replacing Batman while he's in the looney bin. Sigh, all this build up for something that sound so 1997.

i5hawn

08-02-2005, 10:26 AM

my first thought to the above response was "but wait there's a movie coming out"

why worry about casting a godess when they can just cast someone rather normal looking and center the story around her instead...

trickster

08-02-2005, 11:19 PM

Didn't marvel already did it with the one year forward crap with Excaliber.

In one year , supergirl , identity crisis , dc countdown turned out to be a bad dream of Superman who found himself as a prisoner on board a spaceship , he's being attached to a some evil dreamplant attached by Mongul in a reworking of "For the man who has everything".
Sue is still alive , so is Beetle , Max is not some murderous "black king" , supergirl is gone , Dr Light never rape Sue , Loren never became Eclipso , etc etc. IF only ....
I like this idea. I like it even more than any of the ones I've come up with to get around this crapfest.

No way. What is this, "Dallas"?

Dr.J.

08-30-2005, 03:40 AM

I haven't heard anything as of yet,of the cover price of the 52 series.My brother won't be picking it up, unless it's a low price,say around 1.99 a copy. At 52 issues,the series will most likly cost one at least 130 bucks.I've enjoyed the identity crisis, omac project, & such, but this coming year long series, I think that I'll just read on the stand.

SpecialAgentPunk

08-30-2005, 07:52 PM

I think that I'll just read on the stand.

I'll probably do that for most issues, as I'm not interested in every character in the DC universe. And I'm sure that there will be an update of every 52 summary, like the crisis counseling thread we have here. It's good to be in a comic community.

Sandy Hausler

08-31-2005, 05:16 AM

I'll probably do that for most issues, as I'm not interested in every character in the DC universe. And I'm sure that there will be an update of every 52 summary, like the crisis counseling thread we have here. It's good to be in a comic community.

I'm just curious. Do you guys just go to the comic book store, pick up a comic, read it and put it back? Or do you just scim? Seems a bit rude to me.<g>

Sandy Hausler

jade_nova

08-31-2005, 08:28 AM

Is this mini-series going to come out after Infinite Crisis is over or when the series is still going on?

namo580

08-31-2005, 08:30 AM

IC is 7 issues, in issue 5 time jumps one year. i think 52 will begin after IC ends.

Expletive Deleted

09-02-2005, 08:31 AM

From Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42347):

Keith Giffen will be doing the breakdowns for 52 (the "One Year Later" continuity implant title), as well as providing plot input. JG Jones will be doing all fifty-two covers. Alex Sinclair will be the colorist. The writing team is Johns, Rucka, Waid, and Morrison as had been, I think, previously announced.

I'm iffy on Johns and Rucka, but the rest of them make for a really interesting creative team.

titanfan

09-02-2005, 08:58 AM

Hmm...this will only fuel speculation that the Superbuddies characters (or whats left of them) will be the narrators of "52".

Lex

09-02-2005, 09:10 AM

The writing team is Johns, Rucka, Waid, and Morrison as had been, I think, previously announced.

The article also said that Giffen is helping to plot the main story along with doing the breakdowns.

I'm iffy on Johns and Rucka, but the rest of them make for a really interesting creative team.

Yeah, I haven't enjoyed much of Johns' and Rucka's writing since just before Identity Crisis. I'm hoping that the good writing from Waid, Morrison and Giffen will outweight anything bad from the other two.

And I'm curious how this writing will work. Will each writer take a seperate arc? Maybe one writer per four/five issues? Or will this be like Countdown where all the writers are teaming up for every issue?

Glaucon

09-02-2005, 10:22 AM

I'm a little confused about this "52" comic. I'm not sure if they've even come out with this information, but if they have then I would appreciate any help you can give.

1) Is this comic is going to be released every week for 52 weeks?

And

2) Is the comic going to be regular size, with the regular price?

Lex

09-02-2005, 10:32 AM

1.) Yes
2.) No one knows and I don't think DC has even decided yet. Dan Didio wants it to be 99 cents, but the business people (aka "bean counters") hate that idea.

Glaucon

09-02-2005, 12:45 PM

1.) Yes
2.) No one knows and I don't think DC has even decided yet. Dan Didio wants it to be 99 cents, but the business people (aka "bean counters") hate that idea.

Thanks. Hopefully Didio will make it 99 cents.

Phoney Bone

09-02-2005, 03:21 PM

But... but... I thought DC had a VENDETTA against Giffen and everything he ever created for them?? :confused: :confused:

Babylon23

09-02-2005, 05:02 PM

For me, this is excellent news. I think Johns, Rucka, Waid, and Morrison are DC's 4 best writers at the moment, and I've always been a fan of Keith Giffen. If these are the writers guiding DC post-Crisis, then I am definitely there.

Boomstick King

09-02-2005, 05:28 PM

But... but... I thought DC had a VENDETTA against Giffen and everything he ever created for them?? :confused: :confused:

Well they need Giffen to make new stuff, so they can destroy those stories years from now. It's a cycle.

jerrymcl89

09-02-2005, 06:08 PM

Other than Gail Simone, this is pretty much all of DC's A-list writing talent, so obviously, they are putting a lot into it. I'm looking forward to it.

I expect that if the books are full-length, the price will be $2.50. There is no way DC is going to publish 52 issues at a loss, even if I'd like them to be cheaper.

J. Roberts

09-03-2005, 10:37 AM

Well they need Giffen to make new stuff, so they can destroy those stories years from now. It's a cycle.

Heh heh. :)

Phoney Bone

09-03-2005, 10:02 PM

Just thumbed through the latest Wizard and Giffen says that DiDio was the one who approached him and asked if "52" was even possible. Giffen replied (paraphrased) "If it succeeds then we'll be making comic book history. If we fail... then we'll REALLY be making comic book history!"

:D

Giffen rules!

jadrax

09-04-2005, 08:53 AM

Deathlok

09-04-2005, 10:03 PM

IC is 7 issues, in issue 5 time jumps one year. i think 52 will begin after IC ends.

this is correct.

PanzerMega

09-05-2005, 11:04 AM

I can't wait. What a creative team.

Fantastic idea, too.

Cayman

09-05-2005, 11:30 AM

I'll buy the Morrison issues. The other 3 writers I won't touch.

Cay

Lex

09-05-2005, 02:54 PM

This Grant Morrison interview (http://www.popthought.com/display_column.asp?DAID=861) mentions 52 (near the end of the interview).

Then there's 52, the big DC weekly comic which I'm plotting and writing in collaboration with Mark Waid, Geoff Johns, Keith Giffen and Greg Rucka for a spring 2006 launch. I love being the bass player in the first comics supergroup. That's going very well and I can't wait to see what people think of it. The series is being created and written like a TV show and the results have so far been spectacular, as far as I'm concerned. It's the DC Universe in Hi Res close up detail, as never seen before. Very unusual stuff.

I like the way he describes the writing. Like a TV show? To me that says that all four writers will contribute to each issue as opposed to each writer taking a four issue story arc.

52 seems to get more and more interesting.

IamtheRock3

09-05-2005, 03:27 PM

sense people say with a story you may need to follow for 52 issue..the price point would be a big deal

Say 2 dollars is good. DC still make a profit.

Jason H

09-05-2005, 03:44 PM

If it's more than $1 then I am out.

22 pages for a $1 comic would be fine with me.

Boomstick King

09-05-2005, 03:44 PM

I agree maybe a page or two shorter since the lower price.

SpecialAgentPunk

09-05-2005, 03:52 PM

I'm just curious. Do you guys just go to the comic book store, pick up a comic, read it and put it back? Or do you just scim? Seems a bit rude to me.<g>

Sandy Hausler

I've never really read a comic book in a store, since I usually don't have the time. Most of the comics at the store I go to are bagged, so I don't bother taking them out.

For 52 though, I'll probably skim through them if I don't see any point in buying that issue. However, since I usually go to the store about once every two to three weeks, I'll probably put 52 on my pull list, which means I'll have to tell the clerk that I want to put back this issue of 52 that's about Hawkman (of whom I'm not a fan of)...hopefully 52 won't be too expensive for a weekly comic.

SpecialAgentPunk

09-05-2005, 03:55 PM

I am really hoping for $1 or less. DC did it for Countdown to Infinite Crisis...can't they do it for this?

SUPERECWFAN1

09-05-2005, 05:01 PM

52 will be out every week and it should go for a buck. If its more than that...no way. The cost and weekly issues is a lot to follow.

Babylon23

09-05-2005, 05:02 PM

I am really hoping for $1 or less. DC did it for Countdown to Infinite Crisis...can't they do it for this?

Probably not. Countdown was a one-off, more like a promotional piece to highlight the leadup to their big crossover. I doubt that they could continue this trend for 52 weeks.

I suspect that this will come in around the $2.50 mark, but DC may try to push it down to $2 to attract readers.

It doesn't really bother me too much what the price is. With the 4 Countdown miniseries, I'm buying an extra DC comic per week at the moment anyway. I don't mind keeping that trend up as long as the comic is good. I can always cut back on Marvel titles if my budget gets too tight.

Gaz

09-05-2005, 05:19 PM

Probably not. Countdown was a one-off, more like a promotional piece to highlight the leadup to their big crossover. I doubt that they could continue this trend for 52 weeks.

I suspect that this will come in around the $2.50 mark, but DC may try to push it down to $2 to attract readers.

It doesn't really bother me too much what the price is. With the 4 Countdown miniseries, I'm buying an extra DC comic per week at the moment anyway. I don't mind keeping that trend up as long as the comic is good. I can always cut back on Marvel titles if my budget gets too tight.
Which is what they want. :(

Babylon23

09-05-2005, 05:54 PM

Which is what they want. :(
I don't mind. I find myself picking up more DC books and dropping more Marvel books at the moment anyway. If 52 is a good read, I'm happy to buy it.

Gaz

09-05-2005, 05:58 PM

I don't mind. I find myself picking up more DC books and dropping more Marvel books at the moment anyway. If 52 is a good read, I'm happy to buy it.
I'm doing the opposite, buying more from each, although the Marvel ones would be the "keep" list if I have to tighten the purse strings. (which I may have to soon)

Babylon23

09-05-2005, 07:20 PM

I'm doing the opposite, buying more from each, although the Marvel ones would be the "keep" list if I have to tighten the purse strings. (which I may have to soon)

I find that I generate back and forth between the big 2 every few years. 3-4 years ago, I was reading mainly Marvel books (JSA being the exception). At the moment, DC's long-term planning is appealing to me more, hence my interest in 52. I'm sure I'll be buying more Marvel books in a few years, but there isn't a lot appealing to me at the moment.

d00m

09-05-2005, 07:56 PM

I'm willing to pay $2.50 or less for 52. If it goes higher than $2.50, then I'm out. I think $1-1.50 would be most fair to readers. I'd be willing to sacrifice a few pages to bring the price down to a buck.

Guts/Batman

09-05-2005, 10:51 PM

$1-$2 would be fine to me.

$1 would be great. $2, I wouldn't complain. $3, Yes, I would complain.

If it is normal comic size, it should be at least $1.

Sandy Hausler

09-06-2005, 05:33 AM

I've never really read a comic book in a store, since I usually don't have the time. Most of the comics at the store I go to are bagged, so I don't bother taking them out.

For 52 though, I'll probably skim through them if I don't see any point in buying that issue. However, since I usually go to the store about once every two to three weeks, I'll probably put 52 on my pull list, which means I'll have to tell the clerk that I want to put back this issue of 52 that's about Hawkman (of whom I'm not a fan of)...hopefully 52 won't be too expensive for a weekly comic.

I wonder. If 52 doesn't sell well, will they cancel it?<g>

Sandy Hausler

Babylon23

09-06-2005, 04:57 PM

I'm just curious. Do you guys just go to the comic book store, pick up a comic, read it and put it back? Or do you just scim? Seems a bit rude to me.<g>

Sandy Hausler

I''ve read comics in the store before, but only with the owners permission. I'm on good terms with the owners of my LCS, having been one of the first people to get a standing order when the store opened. They don't mind me reading things as long as I let them know I'm doing it.

We R. Venom

09-06-2005, 11:47 PM

LOL

NEVER! He should still be dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;)

He never should have died in the first place.

Apathy Boy

09-06-2005, 11:51 PM

I would be happy with $2.50 US/$3.00 Canadian because that would guarantee this being a full-size comic. If the comic costs less than that, it'll probably only have 16 pages. And 16-page comic books are lame.

grendel824

09-07-2005, 12:30 AM

As long as the page count matches the price, I'll be happy. Complaining about a full-size full-page-count book coming out every week is ridiculous, at least if you buy at least one regular book a week anyway. Heaven forbid we get books we like MORE OFTEN :rolleyes: ! I sympathize if you're on a budget - I've been there (and my career as a starving writer tells me I'll be there again), but face it - you're complaining about having too many good comics to buy!

stealthwise

09-07-2005, 01:07 AM

but face it - you're complaining about having too many good comics to buy!

I'm not so sure that it'll be "good", especially if you're not excited about this whole concept to begin with. 52 issues is a large commitment to make, so I can definitely understand people becoming concerned over price and content from the getgo.

I can see sales on this sinking as the year goes on.

IamtheRock3

09-07-2005, 05:20 AM

my complaint is if you have to read this to know what happen with in a year

my concern is they wont tell what happen in a year in any other comic beside 52

If I read say just Batman, Green lanter, GL corps, Superman

they should explain what happen in a year gap in those books. Shouldnt have to waid through 52 comics issues to find out these things.

Guts/Batman

09-07-2005, 07:58 AM

That would be an awful lot of explaining to do in the individual books. Also, keep in mind that not all characters have their own books...

IamtheRock3

09-07-2005, 09:44 AM

not really. Each person own big just deal with themselves

52 books really a big investiment..If I actully only want to know what happen to other guys

not people who DONT have books that what 52 should be for. If that the case then I'm cool.

But if I want to learn why so and so in the nut house..should only have to read so and so book and not 52

Guts/Batman

09-07-2005, 09:55 AM

Even if that book costs you $1 a wednesday and a total of $4 a month?

Jason H

09-07-2005, 10:26 AM

If it's more than a buck an issue then I will just pick up the issues that interest me. I do the same thing with all crossovers.

IamtheRock3

09-07-2005, 10:53 AM

Even if that book costs you $1 a wednesday and a total of $4 a month?

maybe but what the change of that. I mean a story that runs a whole year weekly a big investment

When I just really want to find out about a few charcter. Answer that could easily be answerd it said charcter book.

Now if it cheap I dont mind..which was the point of the topic.

If I could totaly NOT read 52..and still understand what happen regulary monthly book I'm reading that be find

But if I HAVE to buy it..just to understand what going on in a monthly book that I am paying for anyway..that my friend would suck

Know DC need to make a profit. Not faulting them for that. Hope 52 does well.

Just explaining my decesion process if I am going to buy it or not. Because it does add up sense I got other expenses in my tight Broke college student budget.

IamtheRock3

09-07-2005, 10:54 AM

also tend to dislike big crossover that require you to buy the tie ends, and extra issues to get what going on.

We R. Venom

09-07-2005, 11:08 AM

Unless it's 52 cents im not buying it. Thats just too much money. besides that fact that i really don't care, and hate the fact that they are skipping a year. Oh, who am i kidding, im not buying this.

Josh S

09-07-2005, 11:09 AM

I'm not sure what I'll do. Price isn't really an issue to me as long as it's no more than a regular monthly book. My issue is more with the sheer size and relevance of the story. I don't buy any monthlies right now and I didn't plan on starting until IC was over. That was before I knew about 52, though. I'll probably just make 52 one of the monthlies I buy to start off. On the other hand, given the length of the story I'd imagine it may lend itself better to TPB format. That being said, I imagine it'll be a long time before 52 is collected.

Guts/Batman

09-07-2005, 11:21 AM

Just explaining my decesion process if I am going to buy it or not. Because it does add up sense I got other expenses in my tight Broke college student budget.

Believe me, I'm going through the same thing.

As many comics as I get a week, $1-$2 and 1 more comic isn't anything for me to get mad at enough to not buy it.

IamtheRock3

09-07-2005, 04:19 PM

that going by the assumption if not full price.

Guts/Batman

09-07-2005, 04:39 PM

If it was at $3 I would still probably get it if it were a full comic. Because, I am DC's PR dept. bitch right now...

IamtheRock3

09-07-2005, 07:12 PM

If it was at $3 I would still probably get it if it were a full comic. Because, I am DC's PR dept. bitch right now...

Well I am keeping Iamtherock wallet from going empty department.

grendel824

09-08-2005, 01:02 AM

I'm not so sure that it'll be "good", especially if you're not excited about this whole concept to begin with.

In that case, you shouldn't be buying it, so you have even LESS of a reason to be complaining. Sheesh.

jerrymcl89

09-08-2005, 05:53 AM

I'd imagine the book will be normal length, and cost $2.50, since that is DC's lower-tier normal price. They are investing top-shelf talent in the book, so I doubt they can sell it for less and still make money, and they aren't going to publish 52 issues at a loss.

I'll buy it early on, and if it's good I'll keep buying it. It's liable to cannibalize money I'm already spending on other DC titles, though.

mwm1331

09-08-2005, 05:58 AM

Are there really any of you who wouldn't be able to afford an extra 10 dollars a month?
I mean maybe if you're thirteen it might make sense but how can any else try and call this expensive?

ZombieHavoc

09-08-2005, 07:20 AM

I'm not so sure that it'll be "good", especially if you're not excited about this whole concept to begin with. 52 issues is a large commitment to make, so I can definitely understand people becoming concerned over price and content from the getgo.

I can see sales on this sinking as the year goes on.

i dont buy comics im not excited about. makes it a lot easier.

ZombieHavoc

09-08-2005, 07:21 AM

Are there really any of you who wouldn't be able to afford an extra 10 dollars a month?
I mean maybe if you're thirteen it might make sense but how can any else try and call this expensive?

ha, yeah if you can afford to buy every tie in book to the whole infinite crisis thing i cant imagine $10 a month is going to make much difference.

Sk8maven

09-08-2005, 07:51 AM

Are there really any of you who wouldn't be able to afford an extra 10 dollars a month? Frankly, yes. And there's even a "backlash effect". When it comes to a choice between HAVING to spend more money in order to keep up with the hobby, and giving up the hobby - that's when I give up the hobby.

Maven

IamtheRock3

09-08-2005, 03:32 PM

it not just the money

but having to buy a tie end to see what happen to a single charcter in a book that could be told in said charcter monthly

now if the point of 52 is to tell what happen to charcters who dont have book or just general big even then I am cool

The Differnce between This and said the infinity tie ends is the infinity ties ends seem to be pretty darn self contained. You dont have to buy all 4 books

But say I am the Wonder woman or Green arrow reader

Shouldnt HAVE to pick up 52 to know what happen to those two guys when it could be EASLY told in there books

So basicly got to get 52, AND the infinity minis series and the monthly and any other ties ends to get a whole story

Aint doing that.

Guts/Batman

09-08-2005, 03:44 PM

I get what your saying and understand it, IamtheRock3, but it still isn't more than what I am getting now.

I get a lot of minis and do get all 4 Countdown minis so that 52, the Infinite Crisis mini, and probably other minis will be replacing Countdown on my pull list. So I'll still end up with 15 comics a month or so.

Yea, it's not all about the money but I like reading as much about my favorite characters as possible so I don't see it as a big deal to me.

I can understand why you say that the stories in "52" could be told in the books of those characters that do have books but there are some characters that only have 1 book.

And the "1 year leap ahead" takes effect as of Infinite Crisis #5 IIRC so like I said earlier, that's a lot of story to successfully cover in only 22 pages a month.

So unless you get larger normal issues (say 30 pages), having a $1 "52" book is a good thing.

monkeyjunkie

09-08-2005, 05:19 PM

Patriot07

09-08-2005, 05:29 PM

Getting a job soon, so I'll be able to pay for this.

IamtheRock3

09-08-2005, 05:47 PM

Honestly I think that the topics that the individual issues cover wil probably be so varied that if DC does more than a half assed job of properly soliciting the individual issues it'll be pretty easy to know which comics you are and arent interested, Don't give a crap about GL, but do read Batman, then pick up the bat issues not the GL ones, chances are that'll turn it into about $5 extra a month instead of $10, all you need to do is be discriminating about the comics you buy and not be a silly fanboy who feels he must buy all or none. Unless of course your wallet is big enough to get all of them, in which case more power to ya.

again if that the case

which I hoping it is

But I not reading 4 issue of "What ever happen to Solmon Grundy" just to get to batman if you know what I'm saying

See I am a flexible fanboy :)

Agree with Gus though if you buy a lot of comic anyway..it wont make a differnt

but a I am cheap..cheap S.O.B.

cmndob

09-09-2005, 01:49 PM

Hey I understand basic fandom pessimism, but I think props have to be given to Dido and the new editorial team of Johns, Waid, Morrison and Rucka (? I dunno he has a lot of the big books but I dunno if hes got that position). But for all the "character rape" hollers people gotta understand that the Countdown series and IC and even this new 52 idea- these are cool new concepts to implement with actual real talent. Yeah I'm definetly rambling but the point is... ok no point. Buy more comics. Support comics. k.

mohammedali

09-10-2005, 04:12 AM

I recon it will be $2.50 per issue, and be the same number as the countdown series.

Think of it this way, we are currently buying 4 comics every 4 weeks for the 4 different countdown titles. Hence, 52 is likely to just continue this trend of a comic a week. We had 26 weeks of a comic a week for pre-crisis, now they're putting up 52 weeks of a comic a week for post-crisis. Don't be suprised when you see the cover price - we've been there before, hell, we're there right now.

Mohammed Ali

PatrickG

09-10-2005, 03:54 PM

Everything I've heard indicates 52 will be four overlapping story arcs.

It's like when the Superman books told stories that ran through eachother in some ways.

I imagine I'll pick and choose "arcs" or key issues dealing with the characters I like.

And on a book like this, to keep sales and interest up, I envision several trades to catch new readers up during the year.

Sales will drop off over the year if:

A) There aren't self contained stories

B) There aren't jumping on points

AND/OR

C) There aren't trades

I'm expecting all three if this book expects to stay viable for the entire year.

It's hard for me to say how serious I'll be without knowing what the premise behind the missing year is, honestly.

As it stands, I'll probably pick up anything involving Supergirl during the "lost year" just because (assuming they don't do something stupid and kill her) then her career should undergo a lot of changes in the lost year.

She's been around for a few months right now but the missing year should do a LOT to develop her as a character and while her own book should reflect whatever changes she undergoes, I'm really curious to see what her early adventures are like and I can't imagine 52 could go the whole run without addressing how a fairly major new super-hero becomes something of a veteran off-panel.

To keep this in perspective, a year of DCU time is roughly 60 issues of stories so a relative newbie like Kara should be as fleshed out as a LOT of established DCU heroes are right now during the missing year.

I don't think she'll be in every issue but I do envision that she'll almost have to appear some because she should be very different in SUPERGIRL #7 than she is in SUPERGIRL #6.

IamtheRock3

09-11-2005, 07:24 PM

sense they may start a new series

maybe a monthy with the group from Day of Venge

Zantana monthly would be good. She a good gap between DC and Vertigo charcters.

Gingold

09-11-2005, 08:37 PM

Paul Newell

09-11-2005, 08:52 PM

From Rann/Thanagar I'd like a L.E.G.I.O.N. revival starring Dox, Comet, Adam Strange, Prince Gavyn, Tigorr, Hawkwoman, and Kyle Rayner.

I wholeheartedly second this! :)

Chris Thomas

09-11-2005, 09:47 PM

1. if he doesn't die, i bet we see a catman series.

2. how about a series about the dov team? monkey and all

literally exaggerated

09-11-2005, 10:02 PM

A Detective Chimp series would be awesome. So would a Catman one.

protege

09-11-2005, 10:53 PM

I haven't read day of vengeance, but I'm intrigued to hear that the Enchantress and Ragman are in it, so I might pick up a Shadowpact series after IC; The other minis i stopped reading, but I'd like to see Captain Comet in something, and i might pick up a sinister six series, depending on who was in it.I'm sorry, make that secret six.(Shows you where my head is at)

Babylon23

09-11-2005, 11:20 PM

Well, the Shadowpact team are supposedly getting a new series, as is the Atom, which makes me a happy man. I believe the Suicide Squad has already been mentioned as well.

I'd like to see an ongoing Adam Strange book.

Beta Ray Bill

09-12-2005, 12:59 AM

From Rann/Thanagar I'd like a L.E.G.I.O.N. revival starring Dox, Comet, Adam Strange, Prince Gavyn, Tigorr, Hawkwoman, and Kyle Rayner.I'd like to see an ongoing Adam Strange book.I'd be happy with either of these choices.
From OMAC, I'd like a Booster Gold ongoing and a series starring the real OMAC, Buddy Blank.Ditto.

grendel824

09-12-2005, 01:47 AM

pureclint

09-12-2005, 08:28 AM

I'd really love to see just about anything by a talented creative team. That said, Checkmate needs to come back. And I really want to write Suicide Squad for DC someday, so I hope they hold off on that until I have the cred to be able to have pitch looked at.

If I had any sway I would say sorry man, as I want to see Gail Simone mold VU into a new Suicide Squad book!

Outside of that Captain Marvel or maybe a Black Adam book would be second on my list.

BoosterBronze

09-12-2005, 10:24 AM

The JLI back in Action-
A revitalized Giffen era roster - Booster Gold, Guy, Fire, Metamorpho, Ralph maybe... I think all the rest are dead.

Still, it sure looks like there's room in the DCU for these guys to tell great stories.

I hope.

Lex

09-12-2005, 04:02 PM

A Detective Chimp series would be awesome. So would a Catman one.

I think one of the coolest things about Infinite Crisis is all the obscure characters that are being featured. Would anyone have asked for a Detective Chimp or Catman series a year ago? Probably not. Detective Chimp, Catman, Blue Devil, Captain Comet, L.E.G.I.O.N., Omega Men, Adam Strange, etc. All these wonderful characters that have been stuck in limbo are now getting needed exposure all thanks for Infinite Crisis.

Infinite Crisis spin-offs I'd like to see:

1.) Sci-Fi books like Omega Men and L.E.G.I.O.N. - Since DC is going to the trouble of exploring their space characters in the Adam Strange mini and Rann/Thanagar War, it would be a shame if DC didn't give us some sci-fi books featuring these characters. Green Lantern Corps is a step in the right direction.

2.) Shazam! - Captain Marvel is one of the big characters of Infinite Crisis. I would love it if he got a new ongoing that shows off the fun inherent in his character. Before reading Shazam!/Superman: First Thunder, I didn't want Judd Winick anywhere near a Captain Marvel book... but he showed me that he understands the fun in the character. I'd love a Captain Marvel book that was filled with fun stuff like giant robots and weird magic.

3.) Day of Vengence spin-off. I could see a Blue Devil book, Detective Chimp book, buddy book (Detective Chimp and another character), or a full Shadowpact team book. Any of those would be great. I don't know DC's plans for magic in the world, but I'd love a series that explores magic in the DCU.

The Joker

09-12-2005, 04:27 PM

I wouldnt mind seeing a Captain Marvel, and Catman series get started up after the Crisis.

A Booster Gold title would have me interested as well.

mike626

09-12-2005, 08:38 PM

A Catman and Deadshot series wolud be kinda fun to read.

hotrodimus

09-12-2005, 08:56 PM

oh umm someone should correct the title of this thread

ExoKnight

09-12-2005, 09:22 PM

Hm..........okay after Infinite Crisis settle down and we jump one year later here are my picks....

1. Green Lantern Corp
2. L.E.G.I.O.N.
3. Shadowpact from DoV
4. Shazam
5. Seven Soldier

Gavin Higginbotham, BotF

09-13-2005, 08:50 AM

SUICIDE SQUAD!!!

Providing Deadshot survives the conclusion of VILLAINS UNITED, he needs to be seen regularly in the DCU again. He's simply too cool to be allowed to fade away for another few years, only showing up in the odd story when an assassin is needed.

Plus, Suicide Squad is just too cool a concept to see wasted. Obscure villains being thrown into the limelight once more where they the chance to be revamped, remain losers or get killed. Genius!

I understand the reasons why a new SS series is not yet in the pipeline (purely to show the DC villains as villains before being forced into 'heroic' situations) but that can't last. Gail's VILLAINS UNITED has shown just how many cool and underused villains there are in the DCU, and I for one would love to see her continue this in SUICIDE SQUAD.

titanfan

09-13-2005, 02:25 PM

1. Suicide Squad - Make. This. Happen. Now! (Simone would be great, but if her slate is too busy, I'd take Ostrander again in a hearbeat!) As a twist, maybe this can be a total villain operation run by Calculator instead of Amanda Waller.

2. Justice League - Having lost confidence in their "Big 3", one of the premiere hero teams in the DCU become everyone's favorite Superbuddies, or at least what's surviving of them anyway.

3. D.E.O. - Humans' mistrust of metas are at an all time high. Cameron Chase and Sasha Bordeaux (aka OMAC) are DEO agents who keep tabs of the metas of the DCU!

4. Power Girl - Karen Starr tries to rebuild her life after the devastating effects of Infinite Crisis. (Feel free to cancel Supergirl to make room for this)

5. Secret Origins - I used to love this series. I'm sure tons of people will back backstories re-done after this one, so I'm up for a Secret Origins series while the market will support it.

IamtheRock3

09-13-2005, 04:51 PM

some ideas

Batman And the Outsider

JLA Elite- Want them back danget

Superbuddies

Detetive Chimp team up- Sometime it with Consatine, sometime it with Zantana..batman, etc etc

Specter MUCH come back

JeffreyWKramer

09-13-2005, 05:00 PM

Detetive Chimp team up- Sometime it with Consatine, sometime it with Zantana..batman, etc etc

I like this idea.

Hell, I've flat-out love to see a Detective Chimp/Constantine one-shot, as long as it didn't feature the Chimp suffereing the sort of fate which seems to befall so many of John's allies.

-Dutch_Master-

09-13-2005, 07:21 PM

i cant believe anyone is complaining about getting each new issue after only a 6 day pause for an entire year! i cant wait. i love the concept and hope its done well, which considering they basically have their top 4 writers on it.......

itd be nice if the book were only 2 bucks but i doubt it. 2.50 would be my guess, if 2.99 it better be damm good.

anyone who thinks they are going to give it away for a buck is on some seriously good heroin. the idea of publishing any periodical is to make money after all. i know they want us to know how much they love us and all, and i think they do, but lets not forget that comics IS a buisness.

if you owned a hot dog stand would you sell yer wiener for 25 cents and lose your ass just because you wanted everyone to be able to partake in your wonderful wiener?

Guts/Batman

09-13-2005, 07:27 PM

I would say that it is a possibility that "52" could be $1 because while the goal is to make money and it sells like they anticipate, there will be so many comics out there that they won't have to charge $2 to gain profit from it.

If you put out/more sales more you can charge less and get more profit. The less you put out/less sales the more you have to charge to get your profit.

-Dutch_Master-

09-13-2005, 08:03 PM

im afraid your logic is flawed. titles have to stand on their own or they get canceled. many great books have gotten the axe because they didnt sell well enough to make money.

all the people on the creative side of a comic are generally paid by the page. each book must stand on its own.

pizza hut doesnt keep a restaraunt open forever if it isnt profiting, regardless of the fact that all their other stores do.

Josh S

09-13-2005, 08:09 PM

Captain Jim

09-13-2005, 08:22 PM

It is definitely impossible to make a profit on a $1 book. When DC has done the occasional $1 book in recent years, they did it at a loss in order to (hopefully) attract new readers for the stories that followed.

Babylon23

09-14-2005, 01:25 AM

I think one of the coolest things about Infinite Crisis is all the obscure characters that are being featured. Would anyone have asked for a Detective Chimp or Catman series a year ago? Probably not. Detective Chimp, Catman, Blue Devil, Captain Comet, L.E.G.I.O.N., Omega Men, Adam Strange, etc. All these wonderful characters that have been stuck in limbo are now getting needed exposure all thanks for Infinite Crisis.

This is an excellent point. As a big fan of DC's more obscure characters, it's great to see them stepping out into the limelight. Already, they've focused on Adam Strange, Deadshot, Ragman and Blue Beetle (d'oh!), some of my favourites. And MOrrison is spotlighting Zatanna, which is great to see.

I think Villains United is well poised to branch into the Suicide Squad. Rann/Thanagar is already being used as a lead-in to GLC, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a LEGION series at some point.

If the preview to IC is accurate, then another favourite of mine, the Freedom Fighters, might be getting some air time, which is great. I'd love to see a FF series.

grendel824

09-15-2005, 12:58 AM

If I had any sway I would say sorry man, as I want to see Gail Simone mold VU into a new Suicide Squad book!

I love her work on VU, but I'd actually prefer someone else on SS - I know Christos Gage has expressed interest, and I'd like to see him. That's okay - I'm willing to follow either of them, and I doubt they'd ruin my chances by running the title into the ground (though that seemed to happen with Giffen. Even though I liked the series, I thought it wasn't quite right for Suicide Squad). Trust me, my story arcs that I've plotted for it are pretty cool - hopefully I'll get to show them off one day.

Outside of that Captain Marvel or maybe a Black Adam book would be second on my list.

Again, I'm willing to see ANYTHING that's done well. Those sound like they'd be cool.

o1pickleboy

09-15-2005, 01:31 AM

From Rann/Thanagar I'd like a L.E.G.I.O.N. revival starring Dox, Comet, Adam Strange, Prince Gavyn, Tigorr, Hawkwoman, and Kyle Rayner.

From Day of Vengeance I'd like to see either a Shadowpact series or a Spectre revival (both actually).

From OMAC, I'd like a Booster Gold ongoing and a series starring the real OMAC, Buddy Blank.

From Villains United, I'd like to see either Secret Six or Secret Society of Supervillains as an ongoing series.

This one gets my vote

I also would love a JLI series to get started again. Maybe with Griffen writing it. It doesn't have to call itself Justice League. Just use Booster, Fire, Guy, L-Ron and beetle. Maybe Captain Atom, G'nort, and Mary Marvel too. I would love it if they brought Ice back for a story or two. Maybe as a ghost or a alternate reality verson. Or something like that.