Upcoming New X-Men Academy X Spoilers!!

[Tre Styles]

The Pulse has previews of the New Academy X Team after HOM.....Spoilers Await, so don't click if you don't want to know....New Academy X Team (http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/pulse.cgi?http%3A//www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi%3Fubb%3Dget_topic%26f%3D36%26t%3D00 4002)

Personally, I'm a little upset that certain members are no longer there, but I'll give it a chance. I like most of the new costumes though.... ;)

[Blackcat]

Personally, I'm a little upset that certain members are no longer there, but I'll give it a chance. I like most of the new costumes though.... ;)

I looked at it and to be honest I think now I will start buying the book. I really hated Prodigy, Wallflower and Winddancer, now they will go and that makes me a bit happy. I always liked the Hellions much more. Dust, Hellion and Mercury are cool. Rockslide, hmm guess I'll have to about him.

I'm wondering who will teach these kids and if the New Mutants who are not named will die, loose theirt powers or end up in the background.

Also I wonder what they will do with all the squads.........

[Bart Simpson]

Maybe the book will have more of an edge than Dawson's Creek with mutant powers thrown in. Because the book has been kind of boring like one of those moral at the end of the day stories.

[tjarvis]

So who's going to be leading the squad I wonder, Julian?

[MrBiggs7]

No Prodigy? Makes Biggs angry. Kid should have went home with his parents. Damn you, Scarlet Witch!

[Bart Simpson]

No Prodigy? Makes Biggs angry. Kid should have went home with his parents. Damn you, Scarlet Witch!

LOL. Poor Wanda. :D

[Titan Slade]

Maybe the book will have more of an edge than Dawson's Creek with mutant powers thrown in. Because the book has been kind of boring like one of those moral at the end of the day stories.

Could'nt have said it better myself. And Mark "awesome" Brooks draws a cool looking Thing(I mean Rockslide ;) )

[Huzzah!]

I wonder if rockslide pees gravel?

[Blackcat]

I wonder if rockslide pees gravel?


Whahahaha!!

[Titan Slade]

I wonder if rockslide pees gravel?

It's his secondary mutation ;) .

[Shadow Crawler]

So who's going to be leading the squad I wonder, Julian?
Considering neither David or Sofia will be there, I'd say Julian will lead.

I really don't like some of the changes. Santo, Josh and Nori still there makes me sad. But I really like that Cessily, Julian, and Sooraya are still on the cast. And really sucks that Sofia and Laurie are gone. Hopfully we'll still see some good stories here... and hopfully Dani still shows up.

[MrBiggs7]

I wonder if rockslide pees gravel?

Tag: Julian, you have rocks in your pool. I just cut my foot.
Rockslide: :blushes:

[PerfectBrak]

Wile I wish Winddancer and Wallflower would've stayed on the team, I'm very happy Surge, Dust, Hellion, Elixir and Mercury made the cut. Rockslide has seemed pretty generic so far, and X-23 I could absolutely do without.

The new team is obviously heavy on powers that are visible or offensive, everyone has aggressive powers with the exception of Elixir. Mostly everyone that was cut (Prodigy, Jay Guthrie, Laurie, Sofia, Tag) had passive powers that could be percieved as boring. It's also a little strange only 2/6 New Mutants made it compared to 4/6 Hellions.

Moonstar and Karma better still be around.

[MrBiggs7]

You know, after reading the first two Hellion books, I really liked Tag too. Gotdamn, I hate change.

[Titan Slade]

The new team is obviously heavy on powers that are visible or offensive, everyone has aggressive powers with the exception of Elixir. Mostly everyone that was cut (Prodigy, Jay Guthrie, Laurie, Sofia, Tag) had passive powers that could be percieved as boring.


Percieved as boring is to nice a way to tell the truth about these left out characters. Total bore is more accurate.

[Dizzy D]

"Don't think for one second that this line-up change is just the new writer' wish-list or done just to 'shake things up.' Nope—this line-up change is one that happens because it HAD TO HAPPEN for several specific story reasons. Cuz, you know, when certain members fall away ...."

It had to happen? Suuuuuuuuuuure. *roll eyes*


"You have to read all of House of M, then House of M: The Day After and New X-Men< # 20, both in November," said Marts. "Then you'll understand why all these characters were chosen to be a part of the New X-Men."

No thank, you, Mr. Marts. Whatever happened to books being self-contained?

I really hope this doesn't mean that all the squads are gone now and only those few remain at the school. I loved the squad-system.

[MrBiggs7]

Percieved as boring is to nice a way to tell the truth about these left out characters. Total bore is more accurate.

I just think the writers got lazy. They're not up to the challenge of writing strategies for non-offensive powers. The reason why I liked the original New Mutants book so much is because of how unique the non-offensive powers were like Dani or Cypher. Prodigy had a crapload of potential but looks like its going to be wasted.

[Blackcat]

I really hope this doesn't mean that all the squads are gone now and only those few remain at the school. I loved the squad-system.

Me 2 !!!

.

[Tre Styles]

;) Judging by the different colors, I'd say that there are no more squads....or it could be that the squads no longer dress the same....but nah...I doubt it....

[Tre Styles]

I just think the writers got lazy. They're not up to the challenge of writing strategies for non-offensive powers. The reason why I liked the original New Mutants book so much is because of how unique the non-offensive powers were like Dani or Cypher. Prodigy had a crapload of potential but looks like its going to be wasted.


Well, we don't know exactly what's going to happen with David, but if he's not used in this book, I would hope he could be used elsewhere....but it sure doesn't look too good.

[Dizzy D]

;) Judging by the different colors, I'd say that there are no more squads....or it could be that the squads no longer dress the same....but nah...I doubt it....

First reaction: Large amounts of profanity.

Second reaction: Still some more profanity

Third reaction: Oh well, I give the new team 3 issues, because I don't want to judge a book before it appears, but so far I'm not happy with what I'm seeing.

[Corey Dreher]

WTF!?! *Sighs* The curse of Marvel, has a great series but then they mess it up making these bogus decision. God, I feel bad for Christina Wris since her favorite character is now gone......Damn. So many great characters, god this ruined my day. Now I feel dumb aruging out that David is going to limbo, or wrose death. My beautiful Wind Dancer is gone, powerful, shy, hurt, Laurie is gone..... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Corey Dreher]

First reaction: Large amounts of profanity.

Second reaction: Still some more profanity

Third reaction: Oh well, I give the new team 3 issues, because I don't want to judge a book before it appears, but so far I'm not happy with what I'm seeing.


Yeah, I like your idea best, such a great comic too....

[fishtaco]

I have mixed feelings about the new roster. Im under the opinion that New Mutants dont neccessarily need Hellions as rivals. There are plenty of other good villains for the New Mutants, like Mojo and Spiral, Selene, and a bunch more. The whole squad thing just doesnt work. Thus, Hellion and Mercury should be dropped, and maybe killed off by Trevor Fitzroy (what more appropriate villain?). I want Icarus on, because there always needs to be a Guthrie. I totally hate Xaviers becoming a public school. What we need is a select few students (7 or 8) living at the school that is also the base of the X-men. Their headmaster should be Magneto. They learn the safe and ethical use of their powers, and they have a normal education as well. However, their lives arent as innocent. They often get into tons of trouble, like fighting villains like Selene, Hellions and Emma Frost, a Demon Bear, the Hellfire Club, Freedom Force, the MLF, the Beyonder, Legion, Mojo, Spiral, the Impossible Man, and countless others.

This whole system of squads like Paragons, Alpha Squadron, Corsairs, etc is too much. More focus on the New Mutants (plus Magneto). guest stars with the X-men, and a New Mutants/Uncanny X-men crossover here and there. As of now, the book is too innocent, and is over-focused on teenage relationships way too much.

While its a direction I dont enjoy, it is still nevertheless well written. But its just not New Mutants.

I would like the roster to be: Icarus, Surge, Dust, X-23, Prodigy, Jefferey Garrett, Elixir, and Wallflower.

[leg end]

Hmmm, not sure. Will defo give this a go but have enjoyed the simple stories and original characters thus far.
Plus, it looks like all of us that compared Prodigy to Synch may have been correct....

[leg end]

Also, Elixir's costume stinks!!!

[MrBiggs7]

Hmmm, not sure. Will defo give this a go but have enjoyed the simple stories and original characters thus far.
Plus, it looks like all of us that compared Prodigy to Synch may have been correct....

Yeah but I wish I wasn't. :(

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Wow....Jullian just became the Defacto Leader It seems. Who see's him clashing with X-23 in a sexual tension type relationship ? This could be good because Jullian plays a jerk because he wants too. He cares Its that he doesn't show It.


I like this. Thier pushing the members I think they feel will be the ones to carry the legacy. Glad Dust & Surge made It as well.

[Sandoz]

No Wallflower? I guess that means the Sean Garrison plotline that's been building up for the last couple years has been completely dropped. :rolleyes:

I hope that this change doesn't mean that the missing characters--Sofia, David, Jay, etc--are somehow going to be erased by House of M, considering the rumors about the world's mutant population descreasing dramatically.

I'm extremely disappointed. The Academy X cast was too large, but I would have much preferred it if hangers-on like Victor or Jeffrey Garret had been scrapped instead. I'll be dropping this book once the Weir and DeFilipis run is over.

[milhouse123321]

Wow this really excites me.
I was quite sad that Weir and DeFillippis were leaving, but having my fav characters from the old book (Hellion, Mercury and Rockslide) mixed in with the remaining two New Mutants looks to be GREAT!
I just hope Dani remains as an integral role, I love her involvement.

[Titan Slade]

Wow this really excites me.
I was quite sad that Weir and DeFillippis were leaving, but having my fav characters from the old book (Hellion, Mercury and Rockslide)

These are my 3 faves as well. And Mark Brooks makes them look just as good as Clayton Henry's versions.

[Christopher O]

Well, I'm not really a fan of this book, as it tends to bore me. The changes seem to be for the better, despite my dislike for Surge, Mercury, and Rockslide. Hellion and Elixir were easily my two favorite characters in New X-Men, so I'm interested to where this new direction takes them. It's ashame Prodigy didn't make the cut. I found him almost as interesting as Hellion and Elixir.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Two things about this annoy me:

One- Sofia was my favorite character on the book- i hope there's a good explanation for her exclusion.

Two- In a team of 7 "New X-Men", does it seem unfair to anyone else that only TWO of them are ex-New Mutants??

[Huzzah!]

Actually looking at this cast......really all the relationships that were previously established....are well.....

gone.

Mecurys guy is gone....so that is over.

Then you got Spulrge? Surge? somethinglike that...hers is gone with prodigey gone.

Then Hellions lady is gone.

I guess those plotlines arent going to figure in.



Plus Tag and Prodigey....couldnt we have kept one?

[Vegetarian Goat]

Actually looking at this cast......really all the relationships that were previously established....are well.....

gone.

Not to mention:

Hellion & Sofia
Dani & Justin Pierce
Jay & Dust (or was it Jay & Surge? or myabe Surge & Dust?)

and ANYBODY and Elixir...

[Huzzah!]

im suprised i remember that many

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think It was a great Idea. Have a huge cast of charactors and Introduce many new mutants to the X-Universe. But sadly....you can only do so much In comics. The cast was Legion of Superheroes big and hard to juggle. I think with Rahne there was like 10 to 12 charactors In this to watch.


I think Jullian pushed them out. He was the only charactor I found to like. He did things because he believed In them . If anything , pairing the book to 7 X-Men and with Dani Is smart thinking.

[Tre Styles]

Plus Tag and Prodigey....couldnt we have kept one?
heh. I hear you. And sadly, it's just a continuation of the same ol' thing....I knew that they wouldn't last. :(

Another thing that bothers me about Rockslide is that he's the same thing as that Rob Liefield creation....Rubble...from BLOODPOOL....except that Rubble was shorter. They are the exact same....both are made of rocks, and both can detach their parts and throw them. And Rubble, Rockslide, and Badrock are all versions of the FF's The Thing.....it just bother me.

[Huzzah!]

If i created one id name him Rockstar.


I guess he could be black though....has that been said?

[Tag06]

My precious Brian *Cries* he was my fav. But now my other precious is in the title X-23.

[xakko]

Color me disappointed by the new lineup.

I like Dust and Surge are surviving. I appear to be the only one who dislikes Hellion. I will miss Prodigy, Wind Dancer, Wallflower, and Icarus. Elixir is a great support character, but I don't know if he belongs as a major character.

I'm getting some bad vibes about the mutant population post-"House of M". It will be sad if they just kill off David, Jay, Sofia, Laurie, etc.

[Flight]

If Sofia's gone then I'm gone with her!
And where's Wings gone? He was cute.

[Blackcat]

I'm getting some bad vibes about the mutant population post-"House of M". It will be sad if they just kill off David, Jay, Sofia, Laurie, etc.

I have the same vibes, but not really care about David, Lauri and Sofia at all. The new line-up seemes much much better to me and I think it will sell much better after the lets call it 'reload 2'

[fishtaco]

Decreasing the mutant population would tick me off. If they kill off a Guthrie kid, thatll piss me off too.

[Crimson]

The art doesn't impress me a whole lot... maybe its the colouring, something is putting me off.

I'll give this a try as I was REALLY impressed with the X-23 mini.

[Alpha to Omega]

So what is it with X-Writers getting rid of thw well-adjusted black kids? First Synch and now Prodigy. The only reason the team changed is so that Marts can get his precious X-23 in the series.

[Tag06]

So what is it with X-Writers getting rid of thw well-adjusted black kids? First Synch and now Prodigy. The only reason the team changed is so that Marts can get his precious X-23 in the series.

I'm sure all we'll be explained no reason to start judging the writers yet.

[Atomic Mongoose]

I'm trying to stay as optimistic as possible about this change in direction for the title (especially since I honestly enjoy Hellion, Mercury, and Surge). However, this change in direction also happens to feature an "edgier, grittier" team line-up; the addition of a somewhat two-dimensional "badass character" (X-23); and because of this, I can't help but draw some less-than-flattering comparisons to Rob Leifield's transitioning of The New Mutants to X-Force all those years ago... :(

[Shadowcat]

personally i thought new x-men had some of the blandest most pathetic excuses for mutants this side of the marvel mu. half the characters had bland unoriginal powers and half the characters had equally boring personalities. the art was very bad half the time it only got good when michael ryan came on board but of course he didn't last for long. new x-men can be summed up in one word, all hype and no substance.

[Titan Slade]

personally i thought new x-men had some of the blandest most pathetic excuses for mutants this side of the marvel mu. half the characters had bland unoriginal powers and half the characters had equally boring personalities. the art was very bad half the time it only got good when michael ryan came on board but of course he didn't last for long. new x-men can be summed up in one word, all hype and no substance.

I agree. I bought the first few issues, and they were to boring to continue buying any more. I am giving the Kyle/Yost/Brooks issues a chance, because I like Mark Brook's art very much.

[DavidQ!]

okay a few things.

1. what the fck!
2.what the bleep!
3.What the bloody fck!

Okay thats enough.
YOu know I was wondering if they where going to get rid of josh. I was praying to the comic gods that they wouldnt get rid of him. My prayers have been answered. wohoo!

characters I will sorely miss, and ready to have a tirade. Or even run amok for.

Brian Cruz- This character even though he's julians lacky. Has alot of potential. I have always seen him as someone who would backstab Julian in the end.

Icarus- What they are going to put him in X-men in which he stood in his brother's shadow. Or even worse Death.

Kevin Ford- This character wasnt explored enough yet they got rid of him.

[DavidQ!]

down with X-23! why couldnt they create new characters. I would have rather they started off with a clean slate. Not this rip off of wolverine and x-evo.

[Huzzah!]

I think most would agree that rockslide is the worst keeper.

Icarus will show up somewhere else. Guthries have the ability. Thats not a huge thing.

[handOFfate]

Well, i'm trying to be optimistic, but I can't. That team is downright horrible. I'm staying on for the House of M series, but it will really take something for me to stay on after that. And this will probably be very X-23 heavy, which is not a good thing (at least in the long run).
I'm pretty sure Icarus will show up again after a while, and maybe in another book. Guthries have a way of sticking around. Winddancer was probably seen as being too much like Storm, only weaker. Laurie may show up later as a villain, it wouldn't surprise me. Prodigy was probably seen as worthless with no physical powers. I have a bad feeling he dies in House of M. And I don't care about Tag.
I realize that the book wasn't selling well and something had to be done, but with a cast like that, they might as well have relaunched the title.

[Zeta]

My thoughts:

1) Sweet! Josh made the cut.

2) So did Julian and Dust!

3) Rockslide, what the heck? He was the most bland, boring, and uninteresting character out of all of them!

4) Someone, anyone - please kill off X-23. She's the worst character the X-men have seen since Stacy X! Oh heck - EVER!

5) So long character development and drama. Hello big-ass pointless fight scenes. Crap. Oh well, I guess the lack of gigantic slugfests with a monster of the weak was just too high concept for the writers, readers, or both.

[Yusaku Jon III]

I'll make this one short and to the point...

I've never had a good impression of multi-title crossovers ever since the 1980s "Secret Wars II" and "Inferno" stories showed me how much such practices could break up the flow of ongoing story arcs and arbitrarily change characters just for the shock of it. After seeing how comics of the 1990s (I view Generation X as the prime example) were being written more to fit into subsequent crossovers or with no real sense of direction at all, I expected the same to happen to the ongoing subplots and characters established in New X-Men/Academy X.

If the rumors on this thread ring true, my fears have been borne out once again.

[Holland]

These characters powers can be hideously unoriginal. Look at how cliche Tag's powers are. Are you serious?
How is Tag's power a cliche?? A cliche of what?
Where have you seen that - or any of the New Mutants - powers before?

[fishtaco]

Are you serious?
How is Tag's power a cliche?? A cliche of what?
Where have you seen that - or any of the New Mutants - powers before?Alright, maybe cliche was the wrong word. In fact, definitely the wrong word. But still, that power is just so cheesy!

[Tag06]

4) Someone, anyone - please kill off X-23. She's the worst character the X-men have seen since Stacy X! Oh heck - EVER!


X-23 obviously isn't the worst x-character ever. :D

[Deathstroke]

I'm not thrilled with the idea that they are getting rid of/killing off (?) Winddancer, Wallflower, and Prodigy.

I like all three characters and I'm not happy, not in the least.

[Huzzah!]

Im still miffed that they are severing all the established relationships in the title

[Brian M.]

The thing that made this book special and different from GenX is that it wasn't going to be a mainly action packed series, you were getting to see the day by day relationships at the Academy. Now with the changes they are making it seems more like this will be just another young superhero mutant book.

[fishtaco]

The thing that made this book special and different from GenX is that it wasn't going to be a mainly action packed series, you were getting to see the day by day relationships at the Academy. Now with the changes they are making it seems more like this will be just another young superhero mutant book.Have you read the original The New Mutants series? It was a lot different than Generation X in the way that, Generation X was a group of young super heroes that a) went to an X-men sponsored school, b) educated in control over powers and ethics and responsibillity of mutantcy, and c) Often go on dangerous superhero adventures, often along with the school's headmasters

Now for the original The New Mutants.

A) Young group of teenage mutants at an X-men sponsored school (Xavier's, no less). Same concept as Gen X.
B)Educattion in ethical use of mutant abilities, and the ethics and responsibilities of being a mutant.
C) As students and not X-men, Xavier does not let them go with the X-men on missions. Storm got mad at Xavier once because he wouldnt let her borrow Rahne, who's tracking skills could have been helpful. When Magneto became the new headmaster, he grounded them, in order to keep them safe (and he apparently failed miserably at it). HOWEVER, the rules put upon them did next to nothing to stop them from getting caught into all sorts of trouble involving villains such as Mojo, Spiral, the Beyonder, Emma Frost, the Hellfire Club, the Hellions, Selene, an alien Spyder, the Mutant Liberation Front, Ani-Mates, The Right, aliens who were going to con Lila into giving them Earth as a slave planet, a Demon Bear, Limbo demons, Legion, Freedom Force, the Impossible Man, Magus, sentinels, and hundreds of other threats.

There was also plenty of drama and romance in The New Mutants, and it played its role. But such a constant focus on one element of a book probably has a lot to do with the sales, and other problems the book may have. I guarantee, bringing back old favorites (besides Wolverine, of course) always helps boost sales, and attract more readers.

Just to note, Im not really comparing creators, more like setting an example for a book with the same concept as The New Mutants.

[Dizzy D]

I narrowed down why I have the bad feeling with the changes on this title. It just reeks of 90s formula writing:

Create a superhero team:
Step 1) Include an alpha male leader (Cable, Shaft, Spartan, Julian)
Step 2) Another male that disagrees with the leader a lot (Rictor/Sunspot, Grifter, Josh)
Step 3) Big strong guy (Maul, Warpath, Badrock, Rockslide)
Step 4) Loose cannon (Feral, Chapel, X-23)
Step 5) Add in a few other characters to fill out, usually "attractive girl", "member with mysterious past" and "comic relief", but these can be combined with roles above.

If we get a first cover with
in the middle: Jullian pointing at something (usually the reader's POV) for the team to attack.
the top left corner: flying member swooping in
the lower right corner: X-23 running at the intended target.
behind leader in the middle towards the top right corner: Rockslide hovering.
then I want money.

[Shadow Crawler]

Considering none of the members fly, you've already lost that money.

[Sion]

Considering none of the members fly, you've already lost that money.

Julian can levitate himself.

edit - Well, errr... I guess we have to exclude him, so ya you are right. =)

[Titan Slade]

Considering none of the members fly, you've already lost that money.

Maybe Rockslide's fist is whats flying in, after he launches it.

[Shadow Crawler]

Maybe Rockslide's fist is whats flying in, after he launches it.
That wouldn't make much sense. His fist would be flying in as he is hovering over Julian.

[Dizzy D]

Considering none of the members fly, you've already lost that money.

Dust as a swirling cloud of dust forming.

[fishtaco]

I dont think its really going to be that way.

[GoGo Yubari]

Eh. The only character that's gone who I'll particularly miss is Tag (and to a lesser extent Prodigy), even if his power's really weird. And since I liked the Hellions WAY more than the actual New Mutants I'm happy about two-thirds of their team surviving.

[Tre Styles]

Y'know, I was hoping that Prodigy would stay, because there was so much potential for his powers....but also for his personality. It's not just about powers, and just because David's power wasn't flashy, didn't make him not dangerous. As a matter of fact, have you all ever heard of Taskmaster, a major villian of the Avengers who can copy and record every move he's ever seen. Very similar to David's power. David could've been the "good" version of Taskmaster. I'm curious though what exactly happens to him, Sofia, and the others. Another character that I thought was hella interesting was Vincent. Even though he was in the background a lot, his chamelon powers would've been good for stealth work.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Looking at those pictures again- I've gotta say, I do like the streamlined costumes, and the individual color schemes.

[Titan Slade]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/NewX-men2.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/NewX-men1.jpg

Mark Brooks character designs for those who have not seen them yet.

[Blackcat]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/NewX-men2.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/NewX-men1.jpg



.

Mark Brooks character designs for those who have not seen them yet.


Never saw a woman look hot in a burka, Dust chances that....!

.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Another thing...

I'm glad that Brooks makes Rockslide looks a little less like The Thing. I always thought it was kinda silly that he looked like the Thing, complete with funky eyebrow. Only he had ears, and was grey... This is much better.

[fishtaco]

I dont like those designs at all. I say just give em all the original New Mutant training uniform.

[Huzzah!]

Elixer's costume blows a bit

[Shadow Crawler]

I dont like those designs at all. I say just give em all the original New Mutant training uniform.
I think that would be just a terrible idea. Only the younger students without squad should have them.

I like Cessily's uniform, but hate the colors. She needs the current Hellions colors. And I know it's just a burqa (however it is spelled), but I was expecting Craig and Chris to have just gotten rid of it. I like it, though. Josh has nice colors, but the vest with the uniform is terrible. Surge's uniform is terrible. Santo also has nice colors, but terrible uniform. And Julian has a nice uniform, but terrible colors. He would also look best in the current Hellions colors.

[streator]

i am not a fan of similar uniforms/dis-similar colors. not sure why, i just think it looks dumb. id prefer them to be uniform, like the original new mutants.

[Shadow Crawler]

Craig Kyle and Chris Yost talked to Newarama about their run on New X-Men. The interview can be read right here (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=986062#post986062).

I am still not terribly impressed with much that is coming out of this.

[Dizzy D]

I think that would be just a terrible idea. Only the younger students without squad should have them.

I like Cessily's uniform, but hate the colors. She needs the current Hellions colors. And I know it's just a burqa (however it is spelled), but I was expecting Craig and Chris to have just gotten rid of it. I like it, though. Josh has nice colors, but the vest with the uniform is terrible. Surge's uniform is terrible. Santo also has nice colors, but terrible uniform. And Julian has a nice uniform, but terrible colors. He would also look best in the current Hellions colors.

Colourwise I'm only disliking Cessily's uniform. The others fit the characters wearing them.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Craig Kyle and Chris Yost talked to Newarama about their run on New X-Men. The interview can be read right here (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=986062#post986062).

I am still not terribly impressed with much that is coming out of this.

I really liked their work on Evolution, so i have no reason to believe i won't like their work on AcademyX. However, i'm still a little miffed at all of those characters being gone, but i'll wait until i read it to pass judgement.

[Shadow Crawler]

I really liked their work on Evolution, so i have no reason to believe i won't like their work on AcademyX. However, i'm still a little miffed at all of those characters being gone, but i'll wait until i read it to pass judgement.
Well yeah, that's mostly what I am miffed about also. Especially since most of the characters not making the cut ARE fan favorites. But there is no doubt that their work is good. I really enjoyed their X-23 mini, and most of their X-Men: Evolution work.

[Cayman]

They did seem to make really odd choices as to which characters remain.

Cay

[Deathstroke]

They did seem to make really odd choices as to which characters remain.

Cay


Most of my favorites are gone....which sucks big ones.

[fishtaco]

Craig Kyle and Chris Yost talked to Newarama about their run on New X-Men. The interview can be read right here (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=986062#post986062).
I am still not terribly impressed with much that is coming out of this.That actually raised my hopes a lot. The fact that one of them is a huge fan of the 80's New Mutants certainly makes me feel better about whats coming up. Im going to choose to believe them when they promise that we will not be getting X-23 overexposure.
I’ve read New Mutants and New X-Men from day one. I was a huge 80’s New Mutants fan. It’s just a great concept, and I love to see these kids who don’t know what they’re doing, who don’t have a full handle on these incredible powers, get thrown right into the X-Men’s crazy and dangerous world.This line made me so happy for this title. Chris Yost seems to know what the New Mutants have always been like. Kids who naturally get thrown into the crazy world of the X-men. That means that we are going to see them end up getting caught in battles and on missions for crazy reasons. Very excited.

There are 3 things that I would like to change starting with their run.

1. Emma needs to be a villain again. She needs to rejoin the 'Club, take her Hellions with her, recruit some more, and become the villain that she is. Besides, Lobdell just made her a good because he needed another character with teaching experience for his Generation X book. I know there isnt a chance of that happening, but it seriously needs to.

2. Change the title to The New Mutants. Honestly, the title is so misleading. The kids are clearly not X-men. They are students at a school that just happens to also be the base of operations for the X-men and the XSE. Calling them New X-men says differently, which is quite contradicting. I still dont have the first two issues of this series, but I doubt that in one of those issues Storm was walking around handing out XSE badges to the kids.

3. Make Magneto the headmaster. For gods sake, make him the headmaster. If Quesada, or whoever is so opposed to making him a hero again, then atleast put him in the Inner Circle, like back then. It was the Club that eventually turned him evil again. Dani is great for the book, but she needs to shine elsewhere. She has such a cool power, and never seeing it anymore is just so frustrating. When Claremont gets Forge for Uncanny, that would easily give Mirage a spot. Magneto (or Xavier) are the only two people that should be the headmaster, or mentor, or whatever in the book. Cable worked for me, but thats a one time thing. I know thats not going to happen, because Bendis and Quesada are probably just going to have Wolverine chop Mags's head off in House of M 8, but cmon. What exactly is that going to do? How long will he stay dead, and will people ever take Magneto seriously anymore?

[Alpha to Omega]

I hope they get kicked off the book after the first arc.

[Shadow Crawler]

So you want the book to be exactly like the original New Mutants, but with new characters? The original was great, but this would be a bore. Emma is not a villain anymore. Whether she's liked or not, she needs to stay the way she is right now.

As for the title, I agree, New X-Men alone would be a misleading title, but there is more in the title than just "New X-Men." It also includes "ACADEMY X". Clearly they're not X-Men, but these are the kids that are supposed to be trained to be future X-Men. So I fail to see how the title is so misleading.

And one of them being a big fan of the 80's New Mutants does not raise my hope too much at all.

[Huzzah!]

Emma needs to be a villain, she currently has no real appeal and is just a bizatch. With the quasi-villain angle not only do you ahve a good heel, but she remains interesting. You sort of want to be with her but you know its bad etc. Right now the character will have to acclimate to a good role and with that she gets into dangerous homogeneous zone. Stripping her of her uniqueness is a disservce to the comics and character.

[fishtaco]

Emma needs to be a villain, she currently has no real appeal and is just a bizatch. With the quasi-villain angle not only do you ahve a good heel, but she remains interesting. You sort of want to be with her but you know its bad etc. Right now the character will have to acclimate to a good role and with that she gets into dangerous homogeneous zone. Stripping her of her uniqueness is a disservce to the comics and character.Exactly. Im finding a lot of loopholes for writers to leave the X-men for the Inner Circle and start up the Hellions. Making Emma a villain just doesnt work. As a hero, she has never done quite much other than be bitchy. The whole Emma-hero thing got off on an awful start when Lobdell just reformed her so he can use her for Generation X. The death of her original Hellions was a lame reason for her reform.

[PerfectBrak]

Exactly. Im finding a lot of loopholes for writers to leave the X-men for the Inner Circle and start up the Hellions. Making Emma a villain just doesnt work. As a hero, she has never done quite much other than be bitchy. The whole Emma-hero thing got off on an awful start when Lobdell just reformed her so he can use her for Generation X. The death of her original Hellions was a lame reason for her reform.

Emma is more interesting than ever now that she's with the X-Men. She has great chemistry with the Astonishing team and was written perfectly by Morrison. Her Hellions were cool but she's moved on and grown as a character, it would be silly to leave the school just to recreate the Hellions once more. Going back to the Hellfire Club is a step backward as well, why bother?

And if failing all the students you're responsible for, with the end result of them all dying, is a "lame" reason to change your life then I don't know what a good reason would be.

[Taskmaster]

Damn, Prodigy needs to stick around, first Synch and now David, this sucks, I hope he survives HOM

[Tag06]

I hope they get kicked off the book after the first arc.

Not going to happen.

[streator]

emma has not been a villain since 1991. 14 years ago. she has progressed/been fleshed out as a character since then. i prefer her character now over her character then.
magneto should have nothing to do with this title. end of story.
david was one of the characters i enjoyed, mostly because (like synch) he was overall an average person.

[LoneWolf21]

I'm pretty iffy on some of the changes that seem to be coming (and at this point we don't even know the hows or whys yet), but I'm still going to give the book and it's new team an even chance.

[DavidQ!]

Give us a break. I havent read Runaways, and Phoenix Endsong sucked yes, but Uncanny X-men is one of the only titles that is of essence to the 80's. New X-men has thus far been mostly teenage emo drama. This book can be as good as The New Mutants back in the 80's, if the right writer was found.

And besides, were not allowed to compare books and/or creators. Saying "well atleast this book is better than these books" just doesnt work. Defend New X-men if you want to defend New X-men. I guarantee you that bashing other books wont do much good for defending New.

These characters powers can be hideously unoriginal. Look at how cliche Tag's powers are. Take a look at how interesting characters like Karma, Mirage, Magneto, Wolfsbane, Magma, Empath, Tarot, Roulette, Jetstream, Cannonball, Cypher, Warlock, Sunspot, Magik, and all those others all are. I have little confidence in any of these characters (besides maybe Icarus, because Claremont might use him cause he's his creation, and a Guthrie) are going to go anywhere, and for a select few of them, thats a shame.

Books cant just be about teen-drama and bulbous noses. It wont hold, and apparently its not holding. Hopefully, Chris Yost and Craig Kyle can fix that up a bit. Im still not very confident in them, but Im going to give them a chance.

hmmm lets see magneto=magnetism, I can see the big difference between him and tag. Yeah sure. Some of the characters mentioned above have stereotypes written across their forehead. Empath, sunspot, Magik, and Karma for example. especially when it comes to their background. Poor Cypher got killed, because the writers probably didnt know what to do with him. (Need I spell out chris's name) Though I wish Kyle and Yost good luck. I have a right to mention others. Since the above person said the hype didnt really exemplify the book itself.

[DavidQ!]

I think as the characters got older, I think this book was always meant to change. It had to happen.

[fishtaco]

hmmm lets see magneto=magnetism, I can see the big difference between him and tag. Yeah sure. Some of the characters mentioned above have stereotypes written across their forehead. Empath, sunspot, Magik, and Karma for example. especially when it comes to their background. Poor Cypher got killed, because the writers probably didnt know what to do with him. (Need I spell out chris's name) Though I wish Kyle and Yost good luck. I have a right to mention others. Since the above person said the hype didnt really exemplify the book itself.Now youre not knowing what youre talking about. Chris didnt kill off Doug. Louise Simonson did. And she gave a big, long, fair, and reasonable explanation as to why she did it, too.

I dont understand anything else you said.

]emma has not been a villain since 1991. 14 years ago. she has progressed/been fleshed out as a character since then. i prefer her character now over her character then.
magneto should have nothing to do with this title. end of story.1993, to be precise. When a reformed villain's former motivations were things so original like power and wealth, there's always a chance that she can go bad again, and it wouldnt be that hard to do either. Money corrupts people.

What's wrong with Magneto being in the book? Seriously! Whats wrong with that?? It worked like a charm back then, so why not now? I just wish Xaviers wasnt a student-populated school. Tell me why Magneto should NOT be in this book.

Magneto was at his best in Uncanny X-men 196-227 and New Mutants 35-75.

[streator]

Now youre not knowing what youre talking about. Chris didnt kill off Doug. Louise Simonson did. And she gave a big, long, fair, and reasonable explanation as to why she did it, too.

I dont understand anything else you said.

1993, to be precise. When a reformed villain's former motivations were things so original like power and wealth, there's always a chance that she can go bad again, and it wouldnt be that hard to do either. Money corrupts people.

What's wrong with Magneto being in the book? Seriously! Whats wrong with that?? It worked like a charm back then, so why not now? I just wish Xaviers wasnt a student-populated school. Tell me why Magneto should NOT be in this book.

Magneto was at his best in Uncanny X-men 196-227 and New Mutants 35-75.
1991 was when emma was brought back to the institute after all of her students were killed. id say that was a pretty good point to start at in terms of her reformation.
magneto should not be in this title because magneto as a teacher has already been done. his ideologies obviously differ from that of xavier's, and this title being at xavier's institute, it should focus on that. i personally would not want to see magneto interacting with kids again, as i think thats a part of his character that was tried and done with.

edit/and magneto being at the institute was part of his character reformation/atonement, which as it has played out in the marvel universe no longer holds up. magneto is considered a villain, even a terrorist. the institute has gone public. it was bad enough with juggernaut there (shown in austen's uncanny) but magneto teaching kids would kind of undermine the whole public face of the institute (which was a point of the xorn reveal, but i wont go there anymore).

[fishtaco]

1991 was when emma was brought back to the institute after all of her students were killed. id say that was a pretty good point to start at in terms of her reformation.
magneto should not be in this title because magneto as a teacher has already been done. his ideologies obviously differ from that of xavier's, and this title being at xavier's institute, it should focus on that. i personally would not want to see magneto interacting with kids again, as i think thats a part of his character that was tried and done with.Emma went into a coma in 1991, but that doesnt mean she reformed. She awoke and reformed in 1993.

I disagree about Mags, but you supported your opinion logicaly, so Im not going to debate it further.

[LoneWolf21]

Now youre not knowing what youre talking about. Chris didnt kill off Doug. Louise Simonson did. And she gave a big, long, fair, and reasonable explanation as to why she did it, too.


Depending on the source, it was because Blevins didn't like drawing him, or fans were complaining about Doug being on the team, so she called their bluff.

Not exactly fair or reasonable, in my opinion.

1993, to be precise. When a reformed villain's former motivations were things so original like power and wealth, there's always a chance that she can go bad again, and it wouldnt be that hard to do either. Money corrupts people.

What's wrong with Magneto being in the book? Seriously! Whats wrong with that?? It worked like a charm back then, so why not now? I just wish Xaviers wasnt a student-populated school. Tell me why Magneto should NOT be in this book.

Because, Planet X aside, he's a wanted terrorist and super villian? Yeah that's good public relations. At least Emma has the excuse that the general publi has no idea about the Inner Circle. He tried Xavier's path before, of his own free-wil, and found it lacking, why try it again?

Speaking of Emma, she's got money, she's got power. She's helping kids again. Hell she's got love. Why throw it away? Villiany destroyed something precious to her (the children under her care) and she saw it wasn't worth it. She tried treading the path of the angels, and after what happened to Ev and her students in Genosha, got some of her nastiness back, but still stuck with fighting on the good team.

[PerfectBrak]

What's wrong with Magneto being in the book? Seriously! Whats wrong with that?? It worked like a charm back then, so why not now? I just wish Xaviers wasnt a student-populated school. Tell me why Magneto should NOT be in this book.

Magneto was at his best in Uncanny X-men 196-227 and New Mutants 35-75.

I liked Magneto when he was Headmaster too, but it's over. Been there, done that. Now, after House of M, the chances of him being on good terms with the X-Men are slim. The current headmasters are already interesting, no need for change.

Yes, Emma's former motivations were power and wealth. Problem is, she has signficant power at the Institute and is already extremely wealthy. Plus, she's in love with Scott Summers and cares for the children attending Xaviers. Why bother regressing to her evil ways?

[fishtaco]

Because, Planet X aside, he's a wanted terrorist and super villian? Yeah that's good public relations. At least Emma has the excuse that the general publi has no idea about the Inner Circle. He tried Xavier's path before, of his own free-wil, and found it lacking, why try it again?he was a wanted terrorist and super villain when he joined the X-men, too. Have you read Uncanny X-men 200? Magneto might, just might, be an X-man today had Sebastion Shaw not offered him the position of White King in the Inner Circle. Power corrupts, and eventually Magneto went back to villainy completely in New Mutants 75. While an X-Man and headmaster, he wasnt a goody-good guy. he was still mean, and often jerky. Look how he treated the New Mutants when he learned of Doug's death. About public relations, I never said that he had to be on Scott and Emma's team (as they are the ones that deal with that type of thing). In fact, I would prefer if he was just the headmaster, who would occasionaly lend a hand to Alex's team, or even extremely rarely Ororo's. Nobody has to know about it. Why do you think he used the alias MICHAEL XAVIER? Public relations was the least of the X-men's problems involving Magneto as one of them. Magneto can try it again for a lot of reasons. I enjoyed the sane and decent Magneto that Chris has been writing in Excalibur. I am so sick and tired of Magneto's occasionaly grand schemes for mutant dominion. He fought his war, and lost as he admitted. I say let someone like Exodus or Mystique take over as the champion of mutant superiority, and have Xavier embrace him by giving him another chance. I want to see Magneto also start to build a nice, healthy family relationship with his son and daughter. Magneto is constantly in torture of himself, haunted by the ways he treated Pietro and Wanda, and took away any chance they ever had at a normal and decent life. I want Magneto to actually TRY and redeem himself. Im not saying Joseph was the best idea, but I feel like now is a good time for Magneto to try again.
Speaking of Emma, she's got money, she's got power. She's helping kids again. Hell she's got love. Why throw it away?Whoever said she would throw any of that away? She would still have money if she was in the Inner Circle. If she didnt have money, she would be booted out of the Inner Circle. Yeah, she's got power now. Guess what people with power want? More power!! She wouldnt lose that by joining the Inner Circle, when in fact she would gain it. She would still be helping kids, so long as she takes the Hellions with her. And finding love shouldnt be that hard for someone like Emma. Not at all.

[DavidQ!]

You know I wouldnt mind Magneto being in the new book. If Fishtaco wasnt so old school and retro who goes for the liefields and claremonts.

[Huzzah!]

Magneto is really like an addict.... his power his heroin. Not so much that he wants to use it, he is really in a way forced to do it, and by doing it he gets crazy. As such he will see-saw back and forth from crazed haze to clarity. When Magneto is clear in his mind he is naturally a good guy. When he is in the grips of his crazy he is just that.


Thats pretty interesting. Personally i think he would be best on new avengers...but that is already a sausage fest so no more.

[fishtaco]

You know I wouldnt mind Magneto being in the new book. If Fishtaco wasnt so old school and retro who goes for the liefields and claremonts.dude, lay off. That was totally uncalled for. I have no idea why you said Liefeld, because I hate that guy.

Dont call me retro. You look a bit retro yourself, seeming to only read one X-book. Gives me the impression that you dont like what's going on in the X-franchise right now (but I could be wrong). I get the impression that youre retro as well, and theres nothing wrong with that. If youre not, and you love every X-book right now, I'd think youre crazy! But I wouldnt say stuff like that. How old are you?

[Tre Styles]

Alright you two. There will be no name calling in this thread. So cut it out, k?;) Interesting debate/discussion regarding Magneto, that I think deserves it's own poll/thread. Be posting soon.

[fishtaco]

Alright you two. There will be no name calling in this thread. So cut it out, k?;) Interesting debate/discussion regarding Magneto, that I think deserves it's own poll/thread. Be posting soon.Tis a good idea ;)

[DavidQ!]

How about i give you a lie 85 anos tienes.