SDCC X-Men / House of M Panel art

[chanzero]

New Excalibur, Exiles, Sentinel II, X-Pack and more
http://www.buzzscope.com/features.php?id=1055

[Beast]

Looking good so far. Is Mythos a new 'Classic X-Men' book? :)

*Beast crosses fingers and toes*

[Cayman]

Looking good so far. Is Mythos a new 'Classic X-Men' book? :)

*Beast crosses fingers and toes*

It's a series of one-shots that combine the comic and movie origins into one. Should be good. Jenkins and Rivera's issue of Spectacular Spider-Man was excellent.

Cay

[EvilDangerRoom]

waht is the pic to the right of the exiles cover, is that a House of M cover or something?

[Dussan]

Oh I'm officially sick of Wolverine now.

He is in X-Pack?!?!

[LoneWolf21]

More Sentinel, excellent. Neat cover too.

[DDM]

Wolverine being a member of Power Pack is insane. Worse, they had to retitle the book X-Pack to make the book even have a little sense. I cannot take Logan seriously anymore.

[Bart Simpson]

I wonder what mythos is about. Maybe like a year one thing with the Xavier? Hopefully we'll get to see Jean...

X-Pack is a little disturbing

And that X-Men cover has too much going on.

[fishtaco]

wow. new Sentinel series. X-Pack? I thought it was Power Pack? and why is Logan there? Almost everything looks nice.

[Expletive Deleted]

Oh I'm officially sick of Wolverine now.

He is in X-Pack?!?!Heh. It is one more example of his overexposure, but . . .

It's a cute image, it'll hopefully boost sales for a worthy book, and past Wolverine/Power Pack team-ups have been quite good.

[DDM]

Heh. It is one more example of his overexposure, but . . .

It's a cute image, it'll hopefully boost sales for a worthy book, and past Wolverine/Power Pack team-ups have been quite good.

Except when Wolverine & X-Factor guest starred in Power Pack #27, their appearances made sense. Retitling the book X-Pack just because Wolverine is in the book is crazy.

[Expletive Deleted]

Except when Wolverine & X-Factor guest starred in Power Pack #27, their appearances made sense.So you've read this? I mean, otherwise how would you know it didn't make sense?Retitling the book X-Pack just because Wolverine is in the book is crazy.That's marketing. Putting an X in the title is going to mean bigger sales for a book like this. It's further dilution of the franchise, but . . . eh, it's for a good cause so I can't get worked up about it.

[DDM]

So you've read this? I mean, otherwise how would you know it didn't make sense?That's marketing. Putting an X in the title is going to mean bigger sales for a book like this. It's further dilution of the franchise, but . . . eh, it's for a good cause so I can't get worked up about it.

Placing Wolverine on the book is a sure fire way for me not to buy the book. I don't even buy Wolverine's ongoing because I can't stand him being in three X-Men books.

Yes, I've read Power Pack #27. It's part of the Mutant Massacre when the Power Pack kids run into Wolverine, Marvel Girl & Cyclops in the Morlock Tunnels.

[Expletive Deleted]

Placing Wolverine on the book is a sure fire way for me not to buy the book. I don't even buy Wolverine's ongoing because I can't stand him being in three X-Men books.Good for you. I mean it. You buy what you like, and that's a great thing.

But do you really think that sales on X-PACK won't be better than sales on the last POWER PACK mini?

The fact that Wolverine's overexposure is a turn-off for you personally does not mean that he's not a draw for other people.Yes, I've read Power Pack #27. It's part of the Mutant Massacre when the Power Pack kids run into Wolverine, Marvel Girl & Cyclops in the Morlock Tunnels.That's fantastic. It's also not what I was talking about.

Perhaps I should be more clear.

Have you read X-PACK? Because I fail to see how you can state that its premise is nonsensical if you haven't.

[Michael P]

Newsarama has the full skinny now, and I have just one thing to say:

Peter David. Jamie Madrox. X-Factor.

Joy.

[Cayman]

The Power Pack stuff Sumerak's doing isn't really entrenched in Marvel continuity right now anyway, is it? I thought it was mostly for young readers.

Cay

[Bart Simpson]

I agree with Expletive Deleted.
While I like Wolverine, I do get sick of his over exposure. However, he hasn't been over exposed in the x-books of late as much as Emma. I mean he has barely appeared in X-Men, hasn't showed up in Uncanny for the Savage Land arc, nor the House of M one. Astonishing hardly comes out. His exposure in the Marvel universe in general is quite high, and while it can't get me to buy books, the general trend is that it seems to sell for the general populace.

X-Pack will probably sell more with Wolverine on the cover than not.

[Expletive Deleted]

Peter David. Jamie Madrox. X-Factor.And Ryan Sook!

Nifty.

[Beast]

Newsarama has the full skinny now, and I have just one thing to say:

Peter David. Jamie Madrox. X-Factor.

Joy.
And Beast shoots, he scores! :D

[Cayman]

And Ryan Sook!

Nifty.

Sook's a cool choice, although I was hoping for the artist (forget his name) who did the Madrox mini. I really liked his style.

Cay

[chanzero]

oops, i forgot to post this, which would've prevented conjecturing about titles like X-Pack...

Artwork shown is for:
Exiles #69,
House of M #6 (variant by Greg Land),
House of M #7 (variant by Salvador Larroca),
Mutopia X #3,
Mythos: X-Men,
New X-Men Academy X Yearbook Special,
New Excalibur #1,
New Excalibur pencils by Michael Ryan,
X-Men and Power Pack #1

[Expletive Deleted]

I thought it was mostly for young readers.Yeah, pretty much. But kids like Wolverine, too.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0503/29/wolverine.jpg

X-Men and Power Pack #1Eh, it amounts to the same thing.

[PerfectBrak]

Peter David and X-Factor :eek:

YES!

[streator]

its not like wolverine hasnt been with power pack before. uncanny 195 comes to mind. i have no plans to pick up anything power pack-related, but at least its not something as insane as hulk and power pack or the punisher and power pack.

[fishtaco]

Newsarama has the full skinny now, and I have just one thing to say:

Peter David. Jamie Madrox. X-Factor.

Joy.whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Post the link!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!! :p

[streator]

it is mentioned in the newsarama article, front page. good news, in my opinion. i am not familiar with ryan sook, though. any links?

[Beast]

Right here: http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/xmen_HoM.html
SDCC Day 2: Marvel’s The World Has Changed: House of M: X-Men Panel
Marvel just wrapped their second SDCC program for the weekend, the The World Has Changed: House of M: X-Men panel.

We’ll have full coverage with all the juicy details right here at Newsarama in about a hour or so, but as has become our Marvel convention M.O., here’s a look at some preview art shown at the panel, including upcoming House of M variant covers, a new X-Men and Power Pack project by writer Marc Sumerak artist Gurihiru, the cover to Paul Jenkins and Paolo Rivera’s Mythos: X-Men installment of their upcoming 8-issue limited series, and the New X-Men Academy X Yearbook Special.

Click on all the images for larger versions and pass your cursor over the thumbs for info about the images. And again, check back around 3:30pm EST (or earlier) for a report on the panel.

Update: We’re still transcribing our notes, but here’s a few bits of news to tide you over. Panel attendee Peter David finally confirmed what’s been long-expected, an X-Factor series spinning out of the events of both the Madrox series and House of M is in the works.

The series will begin in November, be drawn by Ryan Sook and feature familiar characters like Jamie Madrox (of course) Strong Guy and Wolfsbane, and other characters will join the X-Factor investigations team.

David explained that Madrox is expanding the business after winning a million dollars on a gameshow like “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire” by using his “lifeline” to call a duplicate who was organizing a group of 20 other duplicates all on Internet connections looking up information he needed.

X-Factor Investigations will be headquartered in District X. David said for fans to think of it as “Marvel’s mutant universe meets the X-Files, but it’s not going to be long and boring and without a point,” an obvious but humorous dig at the former FOX series.

The team will investigate both small cases and small cases that are just the tip of the iceberg for larger cases.

David described X-Factor Investigations as a “dark and scruffy agency”, and that they’ll run into the “Singularity Investigation Agency”, which is sort of a Marvel’s version of Wolfman & Hart (from the Angel TV series), a detective agency to the stars with its own dark secret.

PAD gave major props to editor Andy Schmidt for getting both Madrox and X-Factor rolling and keeping things exciting for him at Marvel.

In other Peter David news, he also announced that he will not continue on the Hulk ongoing series indefinitely. He has one more issue after his HoM tie-in arc ends, and then he leaves the series.

David explained his run was originally slated to be one year and that this increasing workload is the reason he’s not remaining with the series, a workload that includes Fantastic Four and Wolverine novels by Simon & Schuster along with his various comic book projects.

Stay tuned for much more soon…

[Will.S]

I think this was one of the most interesting images.

Mutopia X

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/Willsncz/HOM7alt.jpg

This looks like the big fight Bendis has been talking about although there are some odd things like Magneto and Doom in 616 form (maybe 616 is seeping back in) and some slight coloring errors but I love that cover.

It reminds me so much of Secret Wars.

[jeangreydp]

Ok, so this Mythos is a limited series?

Will these issues involve Jean a lot, a little or what?

I GOTTA KNOW, PEOPLE!

[Will.S]

David explained that Madrox is expanding the business after winning a million dollars on a gameshow like “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire” by using his “lifeline” to call a duplicate who was organizing a group of 20 other duplicates all on Internet connections looking up information he needed.
LOL!

Now that is an awesome use of duplicates. No one knows how to use Madrox's powers better than Peter.

[fishtaco]

Best news in a long, long time!!!

And by the way, Im not familiar with Ryan Sook. Can somebody post a few panels of his art? thanks!

[LoneWolf21]

The article on the panel has been updated with full info now.

[Cayman]

Ok, so this Mythos is a limited series?

Will these issues involve Jean a lot, a little or what?

I GOTTA KNOW, PEOPLE!

From Newsarama:

In discussing the upcoming work of the panelists, Paul Jenkins elaborated a little more on his and Paulo Rivera’s Mythos series of books, explaining that the stories will blend the classic Lee/Kirby, Lee Ditko comic origins of the Marvel icons with their cinematic counterparts to create a story that will be familiar to fans of both versions. The writer said that both his, Rivera’s and Marvel’s plan is not to solicit an issue until it is done, and to collect all eight issues into a hardcover in the future. No start date was given for when fans might see the first volume.


Cay

[DDM]

Psylocke gets to embrace her brother again to assure she's not dead in New Excalibur #1, although she did something similar in the House of M Uncanny X-Men #463...

[streator]

http://www.ryansook.com/
easy enough, should have tried it before asking someone else to.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That New Excalibur 1# cover looks awesome. Yep...It Is so pulled. :D

[LoneWolf21]

more X-Factor stuff, including a cast list: http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=004001

Some New X-Men stuff: http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=004002

[Cayman]

more X-Factor stuff, including a cast list: http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=004001

Some New X-Men stuff: http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=004002

I hope the surprise member is Shortpack! Or Banshee. Probably not Banshee if Siryn is there though.

Cay

[Expletive Deleted]

more X-Factor stuff, including a cast list: http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=36;t=004001Rictor, Siryn, and Monet?

Interesting choices.

I liked the smaller cast of MADROX, but I guess a bigger group could work.

[Shadow Crawler]

This rules... Me = owned byt Beast.

Also, X-Files was long but not boring. =/

[Cayman]

Seems to me that they are dropping the most interesting New X Men characters.

Cay

[Will.S]

Ryan Sook is also currently illustrating Seven Soldiers: Zatanna (which is a Grant Morrison series I highly recommend). His artwork is really beautiful and isn't too far off from Pablo Raimondi's solid Madrox art.

[LoneWolf21]

Seems to me that they are dropping the most interesting New X Men characters.

Cay

Yeah, I'm somewhat dissapointed with the announced cast list myself. I liked Wither, for one, and I was always kind of 'meh' about Rockslide.

[thik_3rd]

woohoo for x-factor.

and it never said anywhere its actually called x-pack, its just an x-men/power pack cross over...

[Shadow Crawler]

On the New X-Men thing, I am both really happy and not too happy. Happy because Cessily is my favorite character in the series, and she's still part of the line-up, but not happy because Sofia and Laurie are not part of the line-up, and that Josh and Santo are still. Beyond that, I'm really happy that Julian and Sooraya are still there. Hopfully we'll still see Dani once in a while also.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Yeah, I'm somewhat dissapointed with the announced cast list myself. I liked Wither, for one, and I was always kind of 'meh' about Rockslide.

All of a sudden, i'm nervous for Dani, Sofia, and Jay. I really liked them.

[bakla]

Ryan Sook is also currently illustrating Seven Soldiers: Zatanna (which is a Grant Morrison series I highly recommend). His artwork is really beautiful and isn't too far off from Pablo Raimondi's solid Madrox art.
Sook's an amazing, amazing artist. He changes the look of his work depending on each book ( he originally was influenced a lot by Mike Mignola), and I've never seen it look so slick as he's done recently on Zatanna. Between him & David, this will be like the original PAD run of X-factor with Larry Stroman - a quirky, fun, great-to-look-at-and-read book!

[Cayman]

I'm guessing that the New X characters who leave do so because they aren't Mutants anymore after HoM.

Cay

[LoneWolf21]

I'm guessing that the New X characters who leave do so because they aren't Mutants anymore after HoM.

Cay

That's pretty much my theory on it too. Looks like that "mutant population is drastically reduced" rumor/theory may come to pass...

[chanzero]

Best news in a long, long time!!!

And by the way, Im not familiar with Ryan Sook. Can somebody post a few panels of his art? thanks!

Seven Soldiers: Zatanna #1
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=4020

Arkham Asylum: Living Hell #1
http://www.buzzscope.com/reviews.php?id=2184

[jarrod]

X-Factor sounds fantastic. Can't wait.

New X-Men, I dunno. I liked it before but still felt it need a good kickstart... but this lineup and that art is pretty unexciting. :/

[Titan Slade]

I think I am going to start the holy sh!+ chant for X-Factor ands it's all star creative team. holy sh!+, holy sh!+, holy sh!+, holy sh!+..........................

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Wolverine....in....powerpack?? SERIOUSLY?! WHAT THE HELL!?

[Will.S]

Sook's an amazing, amazing artist. He changes the look of his work depending on each book ( he originally was influenced a lot by Mike Mignola), and I've never seen it look so slick as he's done recently on Zatanna. Between him & David, this will be like the original PAD run of X-factor with Larry Stroman - a quirky, fun, great-to-look-at-and-read book!
Yeah you can definitely see the Mignola influences, especially in his older Superman work at DC.

Zatanna sems to be his most refined and best work yet so hopefully it'll continue with X-Factor.

[fishtaco]

Very, very impressed with the X-Factor news. I like the roster too!!!

New X-men sounds alright. Hopefully, Craig and Chris will pull it in the direction of the original New Mutants series. Ive been dissapointed with the direction of New X-men thus far, and I think the title is misleading, and should be changed to The New Mutants.

oh, and the Sook stuff rocks.

[Crimson]

Kirkman has more work at Marvel! AWESOME!

Marvel Team Up rocks!

[PaxHouse]

Wolverine....in....powerpack?? SERIOUSLY?! WHAT THE HELL!?

Seriously, it's a "sequel" to the POWER PACK Mini recently released this Year {and the majority of the readers requested that Mr. Sumerak would produced another Mini of the Pack Soon (much sooner than we thought...!!) :eek: ;) }....

And the X-MEN/POWER PACK Mini will be out in October.....

And you can go to Marc Sumerak's own MB to find out more on the Mini... :D

[Beast]

Wolverine....in....powerpack?? SERIOUSLY?! WHAT THE HELL!?
It should at least be X-Baby Wolverine. :D

[jetter_cheeze]

After seeing the cover to House of M #8, i'm thinking that Magneto bites it in the end. Wolverine seems to be the one who will deliver the final blow. Gee, didn't this happen before?

...anywho.... With Excalibur being cancelled and restarted with the idea that the original concept isn't possible after House of M leads me to believe in Mag's death. If he isn't around, him and Xavier being together in Genosha isn't exactly possible is it?

If anything, we will find out in a couple of months. By the way, quicksilver is there on the other house of m cover but no scarlet witch. Makes you wonder...

[fishtaco]

If Magneto dies at the end Im gonna be ticked. He needs to rejoin the X-men and get himself over to New X-men in November, stat.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

TOo many changes all at once!!!

How many reloads can Marvel do!? Geeeez. If theres another next summer then I seriously will quit....



Ok I probably wont, but still!!!

[fishtaco]

TOo many changes all at once!!!

How many reloads can Marvel do!? Geeeez. If theres another next summer then I seriously will quit....

Ok I probably wont, but still!!!The cancellation of most of the X-books and then the reload of new ones once every year is an obvious sign of Joe Quesada and Mike Marts being clueless as to how to run a buisiness, X-men alone.

I want more team books like New Mutants (formerly New X-men), X-Corps, Amazing X-men (formerly Astonishing), Excalibur, Weapon X, and maybe X-Force.

Joe Quesada seems to be ignorant towards a lot of these titles that either have done well in the past, or have potential. Instead, they decide to flood the X-franchise with ongoing solo books. :rolleyes:

But Im still so excited!!!!!!

[Steven F.]

I am so excited about a lot of this news...especially the fact that Rictor, Siryn, and Monet are going to be in X-Factor, and the New X-Men desighns look really good.

(getting this from the Pulse exclusives)

[Beast]

The cancellation of most of the X-books and then the reload of new ones once every year is an obvious sign of Joe Quesada and Mike Marts being clueless as to how to run a buisiness, X-men alone.

I want more team books like New Mutants (formerly New X-men), X-Corps, Amazing X-men (formerly Astonishing), Excalibur, Weapon X, and maybe X-Force.

Joe Quesada seems to be ignorant towards a lot of these titles that either have done well in the past, or have potential. Instead, they decide to flood the X-franchise with ongoing solo books. :rolleyes:

But Im still so excited!!!!!!
Uhhh... that's exactly what you're getting. More team books and less solo series. New Excalibur and New X-Factor which will bring characters out of limbo that have been there too long. So which is it? Are they ignorant, or are they doing just what you wanted them to do. :confused:

[Cayman]

How would changing Astonishing to Amazing impact the quality of the title? I'm baffled.

Cay

[Shadow Crawler]

How would changing Astonishing to Amazing impact the quality of the title? I'm baffled.

Cay
BECAUSE the WRITER would be changed! I really don't understand it either.

[Titan Slade]

More team books and less solo series. New Excalibur and New X-Factor which will bring characters out of limbo that have been there too long.

This is "so" what I want. At the Philly Comicon, we got the awesome news about Claremont and Ryan's New Excalibur and Bachalo on Uncanny. And at this weeks Comicon, we got the news about PAD and Sook's X-Factor. I am a very happy X-Fan :D :D .

[Beast]

Exactly. I don't see why people are chewing on Quesada's behind for this one. It seems to fit what people have been asking for. Hmmm, I should kick my X-Factor thread back up now, since this has been confirmed. :D

[Titan Slade]

Exactly. I don't see why people are chewing on Quesada's behind for this one. It seems to fit what people have been asking for. Hmmm, I should kick my X-Factor thread back up now, since this has been confirmed. :D

You are the man for calling this one Beast. And the roster including Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Rictor, Siryn, and Monet, is more than I could have hoped for :D .

[Beast]

It was pretty clear with the evidence that it was coming. Marvel always ties in TPB's with new series if possible. That and other evidence just screamed 'New X-Factor', and it's great to hear it's already starting in November. I assumed it would be a longer wait, given the lack of concrete info til now. :)

[jarrod]

All of a sudden, i'm nervous for Dani, Sofia, and Jay. I really liked them.
Well if Yost & Kyle dump Dani at least, Claremont will scoop her up immediately. She tops his wanted list just behind Kitty iirc.

[jarrod]

You are the man for calling this one Beast. And the roster including Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Rictor, Siryn, and Monet, is more than I could have hoped for :D .
The secret member simply must be Jubilee. It needs to happen!

[fishtaco]

Uhhh... that's exactly what you're getting. More team books and less solo series. New Excalibur and New X-Factor which will bring characters out of limbo that have been there too long. So which is it? Are they ignorant, or are they doing just what you wanted them to do. :confused:I know, I know. I mean before this, this was what was happening. Im glad thats happening now.
How would changing Astonishing to Amazing impact the quality of the title? I'm baffled.oh. Its not a big deal, really. Just a minor change I want. Even though I want a new writer on the book, thats not the reason. Ive never liked the "Astonishing" adjective that have been used in Marvel comics. Its the hype-adjective. Not a big deal, really.

Anyway, Im wondering who the mystery member of X-Factor is. Hopefully not Sam, though. He needs to return to Uncanny. Its been about a year now. I would like to see Warpath in it. Hopefully, we will get to see more of X-Corps. Domino would be my other hope.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I hope the new member is Jean :p

[Bart Simpson]

On Magneto dying...I highly doubt it. The guy has died just as many times if not more so than Jean and he still comes back. Yet people complain that Jean comes back too much... :evilangry :p

Sad for Scarlet Witch that she is barely appearing in House of M....why do all of Marvel's powerful women always turn crazy...sigh.

Further, for wanting to reduce the mutant popluation, it would be nice if they narrowed down the list of mutants appearing too instead of launching numerous titles featuring C to F list characters. Really, although all characters have their own fans, where are the masses clamoring for the return of Strong Guy or Siryn or M? With New Marvel in charge, I give it like a year before it is either cancelled, or there is some sort of reboot or "bold new direction---and it will never be the same AGAIN!!". :rolleyes:

[Huzzah!]

The day Wolverine Kills magneto is the day the comics become retarded. I can sort of let Planet X slide on that count (but i dont on all others) as he wanted to die.... but


New X-men cast kind of blows. Why they wanted to keep Rockslide is beyond me.


Plus elixer and mercury? I feel like i just won a grand prix with those two statues.

Dust i like. Surge i like. Hellion i like. That is all.

[Blackcat]

Oké let's see if I understand everything well enough.

A new Excalibur (hmmm, don't know about that, but I'll give it a try)
A new X-Factor (Approved by me, sounds cool)
A new Power Pack ( :eek: why tell me why, I surely won't buy)
Kind of Reload on New X-Men (Approved, the new line-up looks really cool, now I will start buying this series)

Am I right or did I miss some other great news???

A X-Corps comic would be welcome to me, but I guess that's not ganna happen, is it??

So what's gonna happen with:

X-Men
Astonishing
Uncanny
Mutopia (District X)
The End book #3

Any news on those series??

[Bart Simpson]

Huzzah, Wolverine has 'killed' Magneto plenty of times. He slashed him up during X-Men 25 and allowed Xavier to mindwipe him. Magneto came back only to get gutted and "die" again at Wolverine's hands in Eve of Destruction. Then comes New X-Men where he gets decapitated by Wolverine and basic logic tells you he should be dead. But there he is popping up in Exaclibur. Theory is that Wolverine will probably gut him again sooner or later.
This doesn't even count all the times that Wolverine didn't kill Magneto like when Fabian Cortez betrayed him and discorporated him, or when he was presumed dead in Antartica. Oh, why didn't I see it before...Magneto is the one true Phoenix! :eek:

[Frank]

X-Factor seems interesting but for all the characters PAD could put in that team he sure picked a lame-ass crew! Syrin over Banshee? :rolleyes: where`s Forge? Why are mutant writers always using these no personality pretty boys/pretty girls mutants on their books? Jeez

But guys Ryan Sook is awesome. Great move to get him on that title.

[LoneWolf21]

Syrin over Banshee? :rolleyes:

It's just me personally, but I'd take Theresa over Sean, myself.

[Huzzah!]

He didnt kill him in the others....but i guess he sort of killed him in eve.


So that settles it


Comics are retarded.


I guess Batman can beat everyone now

[Titan Slade]

X-Factor seems interesting but for all the characters PAD could put in that team he sure picked a lame-ass crew! Syrin over Banshee? :rolleyes: where`s Forge? Why are mutant writers always using these no personality pretty boys/pretty girls mutants on their books? Jeez

But guys Ryan Sook is awesome. Great move to get him on that title.

Just remember how PAD was able to transform the "no personality" characters like Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Havok, and Polaris, into great characters in his 1st X-Factor run. I think he will make Rictor, Monet, and Siryn into instantly good characters, and not total bores.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Just remember how PAD was able to transform the "no personality" characters like Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Havok, and Polaris, into great characters in his 1st X-Factor run. I think he will make Rictor, Monet, and Siryn into instantly good characters, and not total bores.


Yeah PAD and X-Factor rocked.

ROCKED!

[Beast]

Pad couldn't have Forge, Claremont has dibs on him for Uncanny.

[Bart Simpson]

Pad couldn't have Forge, Claremont has dibs on him for Uncanny.
Would Forge really have spiced things up for this team? He's always been kind of...bland. Like pasta without sauce bland.

[LoneWolf21]

Pad couldn't have Forge, Claremont has dibs on him for Uncanny.

Where'd you find this out?

[LoneWolf21]

Would Forge really have spiced things up for this team? He's always been kind of...bland. Like pasta without sauce bland.

They're also private investigators,he's a uuber-techie/occasional mage, doesn't really seem to fit.

[Huzzah!]

read his early stuff, its some of x-mens best

[Frank]

Just remember how PAD was able to transform the "no personality" characters like Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Havok, and Polaris, into great characters in his 1st X-Factor run. I think he will make Rictor, Monet, and Siryn into instantly good characters, and not total bores.

Pretty good point.

[Titan Slade]

Pretty good point.

Great point. We should never doubt the PAD :D .

[Frank]

It's just me personally, but I'd take Theresa over Sean, myself.

Please stop reading comics. :D It`s like saying Jaws 2 is better than Jaws. She`s like a female version of Sean without his personality...and everything that is cool about him. I`ll always remember Banshee and Forge trying to bringing the X-Men back like two gunslingers against the World.

Man Banshee Rules...! Such a cool outfit/power too. I always wish he or Havok could take on heavyweights such as Magneto and so forth and win.

[Blackcat]

Oké let's see if I understand everything well enough.

A new Excalibur (hmmm, don't know about that, but I'll give it a try)
A new X-Factor (Approved by me, sounds cool)
A new Power Pack ( :eek: why tell me why, I surely won't buy)
Kind of Reload on New X-Men (Approved, the new line-up looks really cool, now I will start buying this series)

Am I right or did I miss some other great news???

A X-Corps comic would be welcome to me, but I guess that's not ganna happen, is it??

So what's gonna happen with:

X-Men
Astonishing
Uncanny
Mutopia (District X)
The End book #3

Any news on those series??

[PerfectBrak]

Rictor came out of left field. Regardless, the new lineup looks great. 3 ex-X-Factor members, 3 X-Force/Gen X members, and... someone else.

Bishop maybe? Is District X coming back?

[Colossus]

Is Claremont writing the Excaliber relaunch, and is the line-up staying the same? I was hoping this would be the book to get a monthly Archangel fix.

PAD on X-Factor is the best news I have heard in a long while.

[LoneWolf21]

Is Claremont writing the Excaliber relaunch, and is the line-up staying the same? I was hoping this would be the book to get a monthly Archangel fix.

He's writing the relaunch, but it's a totally new cast and mission statement.

Kinda wish we could have got some info about Cannonball. Well if I bump into Nicieza or Claremont tomorrow, I know what I'll be asking...

[DDM]

Is Claremont writing the Excaliber relaunch, and is the line-up staying the same? I was hoping this would be the book to get a monthly Archangel fix.

New Excalibur:


Captain Britain
Juggernaut
Dazzler
Peter Wisdom
Nocturne
Sage


Psylocke, Marvel Girl, Shadowcat, & Nightcrawler guest star in the first 3 issues. Sage more than likely joins the team in this arc as well.

Yes, Chris Claremont is the writer for New Excalibur. Archangel could have been on the team. I don't know why he's not on the team...

[Blackcat]

Archangel could have been on the team. I don't know why he's not on the team...

Maybe he end up as whatever happens to Wallflower, Icarus, Tag etc. I think AFTER HoM the internet will split...... Who survives HoM and who doesn't will maybe be the big thing. (hope not)

.

[Frank]

Oké let's see if I understand everything well enough.

A new Excalibur (hmmm, don't know about that, but I'll give it a try)
A new X-Factor (Approved by me, sounds cool)
A new Power Pack ( :eek: why tell me why, I surely won't buy)
Kind of Reload on New X-Men (Approved, the new line-up looks really cool, now I will start buying this series)

Am I right or did I miss some other great news???

A X-Corps comic would be welcome to me, but I guess that's not ganna happen, is it??

So what's gonna happen with:

X-Men
Astonishing
Uncanny
Mutopia (District X)
The End book #3

Any news on those series??

I don`t see X-Men, Astonishing, Uncanny and End going anywhere. Mutopia was District X and some of the ideas will be used in X-Factor.

[Blackcat]

I don`t see X-Men, Astonishing, Uncanny and End going anywhere. Mutopia was District X and some of the ideas will be used in X-Factor.

Guess I didn't miss anything then, thanx for responding!!! (I couldn't open the link)

[Dizzy D]

its not like wolverine hasnt been with power pack before. uncanny 195 comes to mind. i have no plans to pick up anything power pack-related, but at least its not something as insane as hulk and power pack or the punisher and power pack.

Hey, the Punisher/Power Pack crossover in Cloak and Dagger ruled.

"Katie's War Journal." *insert smiley*

As for the titles themselves:

I rather like that line-up for X-factor. Well, perhaps not Rictor.. Would that make the mystery member Shatterstar? I mean what is Rictor without his lover.. insert smiley again. Nothing too much against Rictor, but his powers don't seem to fit the detective angle.
Siryn and M have personalities. I rather like M's personality too, the only problem with here was that origin retcon that tied her to Penance. (I liked Penance too, but with Wolfsbane there I don't see her as a part to the team.)
As for Siryn: Siryn and Madrox, Fallen Angels? It was another Madrox, but it still opens up possibilities.

Anyway X-factor is the definite must-have on the list.

I already voiced my feelings of dread on New X-men on the respective thread and my intent to buy Excalibur on that thread.

(2nd attempt at posting so apologies if double posts show up later..)

[fishtaco]

Further, for wanting to reduce the mutant popluation, it would be nice if they narrowed down the list of mutants appearing too instead of launching numerous titles featuring C to F list characters. Terms like "A-list", and "B-list" are labels that came from biased negativity from the general opinion of fans that like or dislike particular characters. There are hundreds of different characters with thousands of characteristics. Calling a character B-list, or C-list, or whatever is a weak label to demote a character that isnt as popular as say, Cyclops, Storm, or Wolverine. I hear people use these labels a lot, and it bugs me to no end. If Nocturne is considered a B-list character, then thats too bad. If Pete Wisdom is considered a B-list character, thats too bad. Same applies to any other character. I happen to love all the characters on the roster that will be in this book. Peter David is a generally well-liked creator. When he first started X-Factor in the 90's, he had an easy time picking out his roster, because the characters in his roster were all labeled by fans and editors as "C-list" characters, and take a look at how awesome PAD's X-Factor was (despite Joe Quesada's rushed art, nonetheless). Labeling a character with terms like A-list, or B-list, etc is condemning a character that you like or dont like based on the general consensus of fans who base their opinion of a character on his/her popularity. I happen to like more of the characters that are labeled "B-list" then the "A-list" ones, such as Nocturne, Pete Wisdom, etc. If there are characters you like, thats awesome, and Im glad you enjoy the characters. If there are characters that you dont like (whether if they are popular "A-list" characters or not), thats fine too. You have every right to have an opinion on any character. But can you please not condemn characters to either the A-list or the B-list labels? One man's sandwhich is another man's trash. It's quite unfair to put such labels on characters, as if being on a list, its a fact that character x rocks, or sucks, etc.
X-Factor seems interesting but for all the characters PAD could put in that team he sure picked a lame-ass crew! Syrin over Banshee? where`s Forge? Why are mutant writers always using these no personality pretty boys/pretty girls mutants on their books? JeezWhy is it a lame ass crew? Its an awesome crew. Why do you think he picked Siryn over Banshee? Itll add more drama! Did you happen to know that Multiple Man's ex-girlfriend was Siryn? Take a shot at who was Rictor's ex-girlfriend? Good dynamics. Forge is reserved for Chris in Uncanny. Maybe that way, we can get the Storm/Forge romance back. jeez
Comics are retarded.Can we not use that word?
Well if Yost & Kyle dump Dani at least, Claremont will scoop her up immediately. She tops his wanted list just behind Kitty iirc.I hope they dump her and Claremont picks her up to put somewhere. Yost and Kyle need to get Magneto as the headmaster. The X-franchise needs more 80's-ness. Would Forge really have spiced things up for this team? He's always been kind of...bland. Like pasta without sauce bland.When not written by Claremont or Simonson, usually yes. Tis not the case.
Just remember how PAD was able to transform the "no personality" characters like Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Havok, and Polaris, into great characters in his 1st X-Factor run. I think he will make Rictor, Monet, and Siryn into instantly good characters, and not total bores.They already are good characters. I have faith that he can make them better. lease stop reading comics. Dude. Brian has told us a hundred thousand times to NOT tell people to not read comics if they disagree. Its totally not anybody's buisiness. If somebody dislikes a book they are reading, they have every right to bash it as much as they want, and to continue reading it anyway. Whether you think its silly or not, its totally not OK for you (or anybody) to tell people to not read something. Maybe I should just let Brian deal with this. :evilangry Rictor came out of left field. Regardless, the new lineup looks great. 3 ex-X-Factor members, 3 X-Force/Gen X members, and... someone else.

Bishop maybe? Is District X coming back?Rictor was a member of X-Factor, technically in it's early days. He was kinda just a student, but the students were still considered members. District X is probably not coming back, but Claremont says that he already has Bishop for Uncanny X-men. :)
I don`t see Uncanny and End going anywhere. You have got to be kidding me.

whew

[Shadow Crawler]

You know, if Craig and Chris do drop Dani, I also hope that Claremont takes her. Does she have any connections with any characters appearing in New Excalibur? Either that, or maybe PAD could take her for X-Factor. That would rule.

[Bart Simpson]

Using A-list and B-list etc etc are just ways of classifying said characters. I too like some non-A list characters, it doesn't change the fact that they are what they are. While giving characters letter labels can signify popularity, it also can embody other qualities like marketability, and over all importance to the mythos and the histories of the team. In no way are these terms offensive, unless you choose to take offense from them.

Further, I was just making a point on how one of the goals of House of M and Marvel in general was to limit the number of x-books and superfulous ones. Yet they continue to chug them out using what in my opinion are the non-essential, supporting characters.

I never said good stories couldn't come from the non-A list characters. I was just making a point about how the market is oversaturated already, what really is the point of opening up a whole new series for characters that really won't pull in readers(other than the hardcore x-fan) or contribute any long lasting contributions to the X-Men. For example, while many of PAD's X-Factor issues were great, you never see them referenced in the main books or even mentioned anywhere else. They could have easily never happened, and everyone would still be on their merry way. I am a fan of when the X-Men was just 2 core books X-Men and Uncanny and have felt these titles just add more baggage to an already continuity heavy series. Just stick with the core members along with new additions as supporting cast and even in the spotlight, but I dont necessarily agree with giving them an entire series. I mean Strong Guy, Siryn, and M? :rolleyes:
Besides those terms I use are widely used by all form of media...especially in Hollywood for actors, models, etc

[Tre Styles]

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[Titan Slade]

I mean Strong Guy? :rolleyes:


Yo Bart, don't be dissing on Guido.

[fishtaco]

Using A-list and B-list etc etc are just ways of classifying said characters. I too like some non-A list characters, it doesn't change the fact that they are what they are. While giving characters letter labels can signify popularity, it also can embody other qualities like marketability, and over all importance to the mythos and the histories of the team. In no way are these terms offensive, unless you choose to take offense from them.

Further, I was just making a point on how one of the goals of House of M and Marvel in general was to limit the number of x-books and superfulous ones. Yet they continue to chug them out using what in my opinion are the non-essential, supporting characters.

I never said good stories couldn't come from the non-A list characters. I was just making a point about how the market is oversaturated already, what really is the point of opening up a whole new series for characters that really won't pull in readers(other than the hardcore x-fan) or contribute any long lasting contributions to the X-Men. For example, while many of PAD's X-Factor issues were great, you never see them referenced in the main books or even mentioned anywhere else. They could have easily never happened, and everyone would still be on their merry way. I am a fan of when the X-Men was just 2 core books X-Men and Uncanny and have felt these titles just add more baggage to an already continuity heavy series. Just stick with the core members along with new additions as supporting cast and even in the spotlight, but I dont necessarily agree with giving them an entire series. I mean Strong Guy, Siryn, and M? :rolleyes:
Besides those terms I use are widely used by all form of media...especially in Hollywood for actors, models, etc
I see where youre coming from, and its perfectly valid. However, I disagree about the number of X-books. I believe that the number of X-books out on the market are fine. HOWEVER, i do have a problem with what those X-books are. Giving every character an ongoing solo series is just not cool. I happen to be a fan of Strong Guy, M, and Siryn. The great thing about having so many books is that we can see so many characters. Making solo titles of characters that are already in a title destroy that advantage. I may agree that so called "A-list" characters should be shown as a first priority, but weve already got that. We see Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Kitty, and all those "A-listers" all the time. Great! Now its time to see some more characters that we never get to see in books, because instead those books go to other solo books with countless guest appearances of Wolverine.

For the first time in awhile, Im very happy with Marvel's decisions. Ive dreamed of having PAD (or Simonson) to come back and write X-Factor. Im so glad it happened. Im even more glad that the roster doesnt have Wolverine on it. Maybe it wont sell as good as Phoenix Endsong because the characters arent A-listers, but its still going to rock.

[Bart Simpson]

Yo Bart, don't be dissing on Guido.
Sorry, I know he has his fans, but its just my opinion. He did have some good stories(like when he had his heart attack) or during the original AOA (treacherous, but interesting)...but other than that he is often written as your typical strong man. Worse yet he is called Strong Guy...lol. I guess I just still have a bad taste from when Claremont wrote him during the Arena arc and portrayed him like a moron to make Storm look good.
He has history with Wolfsbane and Jamie, so it makes sense that he would end up in this book. Still doesn't explain the other out of left field choices though. :D

[Tre Styles]

*snips*

I rather like that line-up for X-factor. Well, perhaps not Rictor.. Would that make the mystery member Shatterstar? I mean what is Rictor without his lover.. insert smiley again. Nothing too much against Rictor, but his powers don't seem to fit the detective angle.

Yes...and no Rictor's powers don't seem to fit....but he could give guys the shakedown.....lol..sorry I couldn't resist...but he needs a job, so Jamie is giving him one. Why? I don't know..although there was that one time he investigated gun running back in Cali
.....but I think that PAD will be able to handle and explain it. I have no idea who the mystery member is....Mystique would make a FINE detective...if you know it wasn't for her bad side...
Siryn and M have personalities. I rather like M's personality too, the only problem with here was that origin retcon that tied her to Penance. (I liked Penance too, but with Wolfsbane there I don't see her as a part to the team.)
I'm hoping that M and Penny's messed up history is retconned away because of HOM. Even if not, PAD will write a good Monet. I feel it in me bones. ;) And no, Penny wouldn't really fit in with this team....
As for Siryn: Siryn and Madrox, Fallen Angels? It was another Madrox, but it still opens up possibilities.

Anyway X-factor is the definite must-have on the list.
*snip*

I agree...Most definitely....sounds like it will be a good book,,,

[Bart Simpson]

I see where youre coming from, and its perfectly valid. However, I disagree about the number of X-books. I believe that the number of X-books out on the market are fine. HOWEVER, i do have a problem with what those X-books are. Giving every character an ongoing solo series is just not cool. I happen to be a fan of Strong Guy, M, and Siryn. The great thing about having so many books is that we can see so many characters. Making solo titles of characters that are already in a title destroy that advantage. I may agree that so called "A-list" characters should be shown as a first priority, but weve already got that. We see Cyclops, Emma, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Kitty, and all those "A-listers" all the time. Great! Now its time to see some more characters that we never get to see in books, because instead those books go to other solo books with countless guest appearances of Wolverine.

For the first time in awhile, Im very happy with Marvel's decisions. Ive dreamed of having PAD (or Simonson) to come back and write X-Factor. Im so glad it happened. Im even more glad that the roster doesnt have Wolverine on it. Maybe it wont sell as good as Phoenix Endsong because the characters arent A-listers, but its still going to rock.

Well you should have some fun to look forward to because Peter David is a very good x-writer. :)
And I do agree that producing countless/pointless series for the main characters(or those that are currently appearing in a book( JUST because they are main characters is totally unecessary. While they can be good tales, in the end things must return to normal for the sake of the main titles that the characters are featured in.
Examples of unnecessary x-titles, in my opinion, include the Shadow and Flame series as well as Orroro before the Storm. At least with the Hellions, who don't have a book devoted to them...real character changes can take place within a mini series.

[fishtaco]

And no, Penny wouldn't really fit in with this team....
On the team, no you are right. In the book? hmmmm
Well you should have some fun to look forward to because Peter Davis is a very good x-writer.
And I do agree that producing countless/pointless series for the main characters(or those that are currently appearing in a book( JUST because they are main characters is totally unecessary. While they can be good tales, in the end things must return to normal for the sake of the main titles that the characters are featured in.
Examples of unnecessary x-titles, in my opinion, include the Shadow and Flame series as well as Orroro before the Storm. At least with the Hellions, who don't have a book devoted to them...real character changes can take place within a mini series.Exactly. Its not just the Storm and Kitty mini (although the Storm mini I can forgive because its her 30th anniversary), but there was an ongoing Rogue, Nightcrawler, Gambit, Emma Frost. There was another Wolverine mini. An X-men/Fantastic Four story that did nothing to alter the status quo in any way, shape, or form. Another thing is that the X-men Unlimited stories just dont work anymore. It may be good writing, but the other writers dont take these stories into account, and when you have an unlimited story spotlighting a character, developments made in the Unlimited story are ignored. Continuity is being neglected like mad.

[Bart Simpson]

Tis true. One of the things I miss most is the feeling of a cohesive universe. Back in the day(lol), it used to be where happenings in Uncanny X-Men, were mentioned in X-Factor and vice versa. Like when Jean came back from the dead there were hints of it in Uncanny X-Men when Wolverine smelled her. Or when they thought all the X-Men died on national tv. And they had all those little foot notes when straight up dialogue wouldn't do the trick to tie in stories.

Now everything is oversaturated and just sort of there. I know we are supposed to suspend our belief, but there should be some sort of unification.

One of the reasons why I think Marvel is against continuity is because they are afraid new readers wouldn't "get it". Which is an insult to the reader as I think most new readers can figure things out if given just a little bit of info. For example when I first started reading, some event would be mentioned by the characters. The little foot notes that were attached actually made me go out and find those issues if it was something that interested me. The problem now adays is Marvel is totallu underestimating their old and new readership. :(

[fishtaco]

Tis true. One of the things I miss most is the feeling of a cohesive universe. Back in the day(lol), it used to be where happenings in Uncanny X-Men, were mentioned in X-Factor and vice versa. Like when Jean came back from the dead there were hints of it in Uncanny X-Men when Wolverine smelled her. Or when they thought all the X-Men died on national tv. And they had all those little foot notes when straight up dialogue wouldn't do the trick to tie in stories.

Now everything is oversaturated and just sort of there. I know we are supposed to suspend our belief, but there should be some sort of unification.

One of the reasons why I think Marvel is against continuity is because they are afraid new readers wouldn't "get it". Which is an insult to the reader as I think most new readers can figure things out if given just a little bit of info. For example when I first started reading, some event would be mentioned by the characters. The little foot notes that were attached actually made me go out and find those issues if it was something that interested me. The problem now adays is Marvel is totallu underestimating their old and new readership. :(
Exactly. Doesnt that bother you??? Marvel INSISTS on NOT using the little foot notes, and therefore, they take up a lot of the room making it easier to understand for us "stupid fans". :rolleyes:

I dont know what it will take for them to learn, but what affects one book affects another. They seem to forget that atleast four of the books take place in the same freakin building!! The lack of cohesion makes the authenticity and canon of the stories questionable. Writers are so stuck up in their own six issue arc that they dont bother to work together as a team!! Look at all the people we have seen in Uncanny that are part of a different book. I can name atleast 50 significant characters that we have seen. It makes more sense that way!

I hope things will turn out a bit better in November. This is a new, fresh start, and I would hate for Marvel to screw it up right from the start.

[Shadow Crawler]

I don't find Shadow & Flame unnecessary at all. She's had only one or two GOOD mini's and it's about time she get another good one after so many bad ones. Shadow & Flame is turning out to be really good so far.

[fishtaco]

I don't find Shadow & Flame unnecessary at all. She's had only one or two GOOD mini's and it's about time she get another good one after so many bad ones. Shadow & Flame is turning out to be really good so far.I guess I can forgive Shadow and Flame too, because its a mini series. Minis dont take up as much room and money as ongoing series. Six issues isnt really traumatic. And besides, Kitty Pryde stuff sells. marvel has not hyped this book. Im suprised Marvel can have a book sell well without hyping it. Im glad for them.

[Shadow Crawler]

I guess I can forgive Shadow and Flame too, because its a mini series. Minis dont take up as much room and money as ongoing series. Six issues isnt really traumatic. And besides, Kitty Pryde stuff sells. marvel has not hyped this book. Im suprised Marvel can have a book sell well without hyping it. Im glad for them.
Indeed. It is so fabulous that anything Kitty sells. And really amazing that Shadow & Flame is selling, considering who the writer is...

[jarrod]

Just remember how PAD was able to transform the "no personality" characters like Madrox, Guido, Wolfsbane, Havok, and Polaris, into great characters in his 1st X-Factor run. I think he will make Rictor, Monet, and Siryn into instantly good characters, and not total bores.
Havok and Wolfsbane at least were pretty fleshed out before X-Factor I'd say. David's best work was on Madrox and Polaris I'd say (Gudio still feels a bit like a joke).

[Titan Slade]

Havok and Wolfsbane at least were pretty fleshed out before X-Factor I'd say.

But PAD brought them to a whole new level of coolness :D .

[Adam Crocker]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/HOM008_flcov.jpg

This cover just cries out for a caption, dotcha' think?

Magneto: "Kill me!? You're the one who's over exposed! Why don't they kill you for a change!?"

Wolverine: "I make slicey!"

[Will.S]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/HOM008_flcov.jpg

Magneto: Arrghh! Don't kill me!

Wolverine: Oh yeah, why?

Magneto: Because I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico!

Wolverine: .......

[Vegetarian Goat]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/HOM008_flcov.jpg

This cover just cries out for a caption, dotcha' think?

Magneto: "Kill me!? You're the one who's over exposed! Why don't they kill you for a change!?"

Wolverine: "I make slicey!"

Let's hope they don't kill Magneto AGAIN... It's not emotionally powerful any more, and it's just annoying when it happens to a character that you like. Because you KNOW they're coming back, but the wait for said ressurection is murder.

(sorry. bad pun.)

[Colossus]

So Archangel is M.I.A again?

I would complain, but I promised the X-Gods at least a five year break form internet heckling when Pete was brought back.

[Huzzah!]

Why is it a lame ass crew? Its an awesome crew. Why do you think he picked Siryn over Banshee? Itll add more drama! Did you happen to know that Multiple Man's ex-girlfriend was Siryn? Take a shot at who was Rictor's ex-girlfriend? Good dynamics. Forge is reserved for Chris in Uncanny. Maybe that way, we can get the Storm/Forge romance back. jeez
Can we not use that word?

No. To the romance part. Storm needs to be outted finally.


As for comics..... i guess they are...

specially abled?

[Huzzah!]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/HOM008_flcov.jpg



"You with your claws....ah....what can i do? I only....can....control magnetic fields........and change emt fields.....and manipulate metal.............arghhhhhh and open worm holes! Damn you wolverine....your knives outclass me.....you are tooo..............arghhhhhh....powerful"

:rolleyes:

[Shadow Crawler]

That cover mostly looks like really poor CGI.

[DDM]

http://www.newsarama.com/SDCC05/Marvel/x-men/HOM008_flcov.jpg



Wolverine: "Stop singin' that tune."
Magneto: "I'm a cliche, I'm a cliche"
Wolverine: "Don't ya ever get the feelin' That I've done this before?"
Magneto: "I'm a cliche, I'm a cliche"
Wolverine: "I'm a cliche, cliche"

[DDM]

X-Factor seems interesting but for all the characters PAD could put in that team he sure picked a lame-ass crew! Syrin over Banshee? :rolleyes: where`s Forge? Why are mutant writers always using these no personality pretty boys/pretty girls mutants on their books? Jeez

But guys Ryan Sook is awesome. Great move to get him on that title.

Chris Claremont has Forge for Uncanny X-Men.

[streator]

i like the house of m cover above. they're back in the normal reality (probably genosha, by the looks of it). i dont think magneto will die after house of m. the cover (to me) is just foreshadowing an end to the dream.

[Brian M.]

I like that cover to HoM#8 I don't care it's b/c it's kinda cliche. But so help my God as much as I love Jean Grey/Phoenix if HoM#7 has that f*cking bird on it I'm done with comics.

[Christopher O]

the cover (to me) is just foreshadowing an end to the dream.
Which was great, when Claremont did it the first time AND the second time. Then Nicieza did it. Then Lobdell. Then Morrison. Seriously, I hate that cover. How many times are we going to go through this?

[Bishop_Proudstar]

They are joking.

"Power Pack" is such a marketable name and future movie franchise, I seriously doubt that it will be called "X-Pack".

The X-Men and Fantastic 4 have always been "mentors" to Power Pack so I'm not surprised that an X-Man is being used to re-launch the book..

I'm not pleased that they get to see Wolverine dice some villains, but he's "profitable".

Shouldn't they be in The New Warriors by now?

I guess Marvel chose to keep them young...

[Huzzah!]

Every writer gets to do one i think

[Brian M.]

Isn't this book looking like a mini series? I don't think Wolverine is being put on the Power Pack team, I believe he's just there to represent the X-Men side of the mini.

[streator]

Which was great, when Claremont did it the first time AND the second time. Then Nicieza did it. Then Lobdell. Then Morrison. Seriously, I hate that cover. How many times are we going to go through this?
i meant the end of the house of m dream/reality. yeah, wolverine's gutted/slashed/impaled/whatever magneto a bunch of times, but i still think its a nice cover.

[Blackcat]

Wow wow wow, Rogue and Mystique looked soooo ssssssexy!! Yammie!

Seeing Cannonball was fun.

Wondering how Luke's gang ended up in the darkness of Cloak. By the way.... it's cool to see him again. They must put him on an X-team somewhere in the near future, but of corse I will be the only one who would like that....!

I also did read the issues of HoM FF, HoM Hulk, Mutopia and HoM Ironman, the are not worthy to buying the other issues. Bad, bad, very very bad..! :mad:

So I will only continue to buy the rest of HoM, HoM Uncanny and HoM New X-Men.

[jarrod]

But PAD brought them to a whole new level of coolness :D .
I dunno, he really didn't do much with either besides the Genoshan branding thing coming out. I will give it to David that he's the only guy to write a decent Havok post Claremont though. His Wolfsbane was good as well, though I liked Warren Ellis' take just slightly more following in Excalibur.

David's big character advances were for Polaris, Madrox, Guido and Quicksilver. Before him all four were pretty forgettable or one note in terms of personas, he really turned them into complex, interesting, unique personalities.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

OH i forgot to ask this. Does anyone else think thats Carter Ghazikanian on that cover with the small telekinetic boy?

[Frank]

Why is it a lame ass crew? Its an awesome crew. Why do you think he picked Siryn over Banshee? Itll add more drama! Did you happen to know that Multiple Man's ex-girlfriend was Siryn? Take a shot at who was Rictor's ex-girlfriend? Good dynamics. Forge is reserved for Chris in Uncanny. Maybe that way, we can get the Storm/Forge romance back. jeez

What you`re talking about is not good drama, it`s soap opera. It doesn`t mean because Syrin is Madrox`s and Rictor`s ex-girlfriend that she`s a good character.

Dude. Brian has told us a hundred thousand times to NOT tell people to not read comics if they disagree. Its totally not anybody's buisiness. If somebody dislikes a book they are reading, they have every right to bash it as much as they want, and to continue reading it anyway. Whether you think its silly or not, its totally not OK for you (or anybody) to tell people to not read something. Maybe I should just let Brian deal with this

Stop acting like a ten year old, it was humour. As for what I was talking about I just think the X World need more characters who have original powers and personalities. One of the main reasons people stay away from the books it`s because 1. messed-up continuity, 2. X-Men being a Universe full of gorgeous men and women with bland powers and personality. It`s actually hard to differenciate one from another.

What i`m saying is it would be a shame to not use the few interesting characters they have. Like Banshee.

You have got to be kidding me

By not going anywhere I meant I don`t see any changes there. You think Uncanny and End are gonna get cancelled or what? (maybe you know something we don`t?)

[streator]

OH i forgot to ask this. Does anyone else think thats Carter Ghazikanian on that cover with the small telekinetic boy?
there is a resemblance (little kid/telekinetic) but id be willing to bet carter will never be heard from again and whomever is on that cover is just a new character.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

there is a resemblance (little kid/telekinetic) but id be willing to bet carter will never be heard from again and whomever is on that cover is just a new character.


I liked Carter.....I didn't like Austen... but I liked Carter.

[jarrod]

I'd take Siryn over Banshee as well. She's smarter, she's younger, she's more honest, she's a better leader and she's way more fun drunk.

I think this team has fantastic potential. It's basically the X-Corp book I desperately wanted and never got. :)

[streator]

i think for me its going to come down to new excalibur or x-factor. i am not really interested in buying two new comics a month, but i will give each title a shot and decide which one i like better. all in my own opinion, but this is where i stand thus far on the two titles:
new excalibur strengths
captain britain
pete wisdom
juggernaut
michael ryan art

new excalibur weaknesses
i didnt like cc's last excalibur attempt whatsoever and i gave that title 4 issues
sage
ryan will need a fill-in artist im sure

x-factor strengths
pad writing
madrox was excellent, i like jamie madrox as a character and the investigator premise
m
rahne

x-factor weaknesses
i have seen very little of ryan sook's work, not really knowing what to expect from him
siryn
guido

[fishtaco]

What you`re talking about is not good drama, it`s soap opera. It doesn`t mean because Syrin is Madrox`s and Rictor`s ex-girlfriend that she`s a good character.Rictor's ex-girlfriend is Rahne, by the way. I wouldnt call it soap opera over drama until you have read it. Its obvious why PAD chose Siryn and Rictor, but we should wait to read it before calling it either soap opera or drama. I never said that Siryn is a good character for being Madrox's ex-girlfriend. I never said that at all. I love both Banshee and Siryn, but I feel Siryn is best for THIS book. Banshee should be in the mix too, but not in this book.


Stop acting like a ten year old, it was humour. As for what I was talking about I just think the X World need more characters who have original powers and personalities. One of the main reasons people stay away from the books it`s because 1. messed-up continuity, 2. X-Men being a Universe full of gorgeous men and women with bland powers and personality. It`s actually hard to differenciate one from another. Im not acting like a ten year old. Original powers? Well yes, I wouldnt want characters having all these different random powers, but you cant just give everyone telepathy, or flight, or telekinesis, or plasma blasts, or wings, or enhanced whatever. Yes, the continuity is a problem. A big problem. A very very big problem. Whats wrong with artists drawing characters beautifully? I would rather see beatiful people than hideous people, wouldnt you? I happen to find almost every X-character having an interesting personality. But apparently you feel different. We seem to view the characters differently. I doubt that other people are keeping away from the X-books because you think most of the characters are bland and uninteresting.

What i`m saying is it would be a shame to not use the few interesting characters they have. Like Banshee. Whoever said using Siryn means not using Banshee? I love em both, and Id love for both to have a good spot somewhere in the fold. It just happens to be that Siryn fits in X-Factor a ton more than Banshee. There are books that Banshee would fit in ten times better than Siryn, but the fact that Terry has histories with almost all of the roster in this book would show that she should be in this title over Banshee. Imagine how dumb it would have been in the 90's to put Terry in Generation X, and Sean in X-Force.
By not going anywhere I meant I don`t see any changes there. You think Uncanny and End are gonna get cancelled or what? (maybe you know something we don`t?)I honestly have no idea what that last bit meant, but I assure you the main X-title isnt going to get cancelled, and Marvel isnt going to just cancel X-men The End in the middle of it. Its not an ongoing series. Its three minis.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Didn't Siryn and one of Jamie's dupes have a relationship too?

Well atleast this will sort of be a continuation of the X-Corps. Cept no Cannonball, I wonder if they will be mad or glad that he's an X-Man and not them?

[fishtaco]

Cept no Cannonball, I wonder if they will be mad or glad that he's an X-Man and not them?I doubt it. Not all of the people who fight for Xavier's dream fit in best with either the XSE, the Away team, or the Senior team. For example, Rahne apparently didnt fit in too well as a teacher. Sometimes, being a member of X-Corps, or being a teacher, or a member of X-Factor, or X-Force, or being a spy for the X-men might suit somebody better than being on one of the three core teams. Cannonball is flexible, but he is probably best with the XSE.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I doubt it. Not all of the people who fight for Xavier's dream fit in best with either the XSE, the Away team, or the Senior team. For example, Rahne apparently didnt fit in too well as a teacher. Sometimes, being a member of X-Corps, or being a teacher, or a member of X-Factor, or X-Force, or being a spy for the X-men might suit somebody better than being on one of the three core teams. Cannonball is flexible, but he is probably best with the XSE.


I know, but I'm sure M is jealous. Hasnt she always wanted to be an X-Man? I dont know much about her.

[fishtaco]

I know, but I'm sure M is jealous. Hasnt she always wanted to be an X-Man? I dont know much about her.Im not sure about M. I will say that she believes in Xaviers dream, since she has been a member of X-Corps, stuck with Gen X, and now this. I think youre thinking about Husk. From the very first issue of Generation X, she has always dreamed of someday being an X-man like her brother. She studied hard, got good grades, and her wish came true in Chuck Austen's run.

M's character has always been defined by rich, spoiled, but smart. Throughout GenX, it has caused a rivalry with Jubilee. She could care less about what others think of her. She is very strong-willed, and sometimes, she can be a pain in the butt.

I believe one reason M was put in here was to either mess with Terry and Jamie's relationship, or Rahne and Julio's.

[Vegetarian Goat]

When i saw that M was going to be in the book, i thought to myself: O-kay, Jamie, Rahne, and Guido are in the book.. RIctor and Siryn are like Havok and Polaris, in that they provide emtional drama (albeit not with each other...) and M fulfills the "Quicksilver Quota"- the perpetually annoyed stuck up character who always has a witty comment to make. :D

[Titan Slade]

x-factor weaknesses
i have seen very little of ryan sook's work, not really knowing what to expect from him


He's a good artist, who is influenced heavily by Mike"Hellboy"Mignola.

Here are a few of his Hawkman pages.
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/HKM28_04.jpg
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/HKM28_10.jpg

[Tre Styles]

I know, but I'm sure M is jealous. Hasnt she always wanted to be an X-Man? I dont know much about her.

No, being an X-Man wasn't a big thing for Monet. She was originally(as the twins) to get her powers under control....and also to hide from Emplate...which really didn't work....and then when the real Monet came about, she just worked on trying to get her powers together and get some training. But she never had a mad on for the X-Men....that, as was said, was Husk.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Ryan Sook is a very cool artist. I'm glad to have an X-Book with a sort of Noir feeling.

His Zatanna stuff is great. Only DC title I read and its because of him.



I should read up on M, I read a few Gen X issues and she was pretty cool.

[The Lucky One]

Didn't Siryn and one of Jamie's dupes have a relationship too?

Yeah, in the Fallen Angels mini... Boom Boom was crushing on Madrox too, but Siryn got him. But as Madrox explained to Siryn later, it wasn't really him, just one of his dupes, so it's like watching a romance on TV... there's no actual emotional connection for him.

-D

[Ryan K]

X-Factor. Yay!

M. Not so yay.

And damnit if Rictor and M or going to be major players in teams books, where the hell is Jubilee!

[Dizzy D]

I guess Siryn, M and Rictor are there because they were X-corps Paris together with Jamie, Cannonball and Darkstar. Was there any other X-Paris member?

With Sam probably spoken for in other titles (though Wolfsbane and Sam together again in one title would be fun) and Darkstar dead, that would mean the whole group joined X-factor investigations.

[fishtaco]

M. Not so yay.I knew you were going to say that. Eventually :D :D

[PaxHouse]

They are joking.

"Power Pack" is such a marketable name and future movie franchise, I seriously doubt that it will be called "X-Pack".

The X-Men and Fantastic 4 have always been "mentors" to Power Pack so I'm not surprised that an X-Man is being used to re-launch the book..

I'm not pleased that they get to see Wolverine dice some villains, but he's "profitable".

Shouldn't they be in The New Warriors by now?

I guess Marvel chose to keep them young...


It's no joke....

The X-MEN/POWER PACK will have the same type of "Continuity" as this Year's POWER PACK Mini {meaning it's more of an MARVEL ADVENTURES Series}......

And although three of the Pack are old enough to becomes Warriors; Alex/ZERO-G was already a Member {in which he was POWERPAX/POWERHOUSE}, while currently his sister Julie has decided to "retire" from superheroics to lead her own life AND along with her former "Warriors" Mickey Musashi/TURBO & Chris Powell/DARKHAWK (as seen within the TRUE BELIEVERS Storyarc that Introduces Excelsior in RUNAWAYS #1-#6)....