Never grow up

[Elevation]

The news is that the wtiters for ultimate Spiderman have no intentions of aging Peter... Is this a good idea at all because I know i am not the only one who thinks this sucks!

[Paragon Kobold]

Stuck in high school forever? WOW that sucks!

[chicainery]

Yeah, and he's changing his name from Parker to Pan.

[Colossus]

I love the way Q talks in such absolutes. Like he is going to be there forever.

[Sion]

Well... ya. If he grew up, he would be just like MU Spider-Man.

[Sentry]

although at first i thought that this was a bad idea i am coming round to it.


whats the point of him growing up when there already exists amazing spidy etc.......

other wise we may of just re-invent spidy again in 10 years and start of at age 15 again.

dont know how it would work but i for one would not mind being in high school forever!

ahhh those lazy days!

[jam1]

I'm just happy I don't give a damn about Ultimate Spidey. It would suck to be his fan, especially now. :rolleyes:

[Crimson]

I don't mind him not aging but he should atleast get to uni before that happens... it opens him up to a wider world, gives him some freedom but still alows him to be dependant on Aunt May etc.

[Mister Mets]

The news is that the wtiters for ultimate Spiderman have no intentions of aging Peter... Is this a good idea at all because I know i am not the only one who thinks this sucks!

2 unrelated things.
Ultimate Spider-Man's had only one writer, so it's "writer" singular.

Steve Ditko believed it was a mistake to have Spider-Man graduate High School, and be older than sixteen, as that's the last time someone wouldn't really be expected to know better.

[Dussan]

Yeah, and he's changing his name from Parker to Pan.

??

Changing his name?

[The Mirrorball Man]

Steve Ditko believed it was a mistake to have Spider-Man graduate High School, and be older than sixteen, as that's the last time someone wouldn't really be expected to know better.
To be honest, Steve Ditko believes many things, most of them weird.

[Expletive Deleted]

I don't have a problem with it. We already have an adult Peter Parker. ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN is the venue to tell stories about the teenage version, not to rush through that period on the way to stories about the older Pete. That's the appeal.

As for aging . . . Frankilin Richards was four years old for decades. MU Peter graduated high school, went to college, and has been stuck in a vague late-20s time warp ever sense. It's comic books, after all.

[foswell]

I think its a good idea myself.I always hated the fact he got wed in ASM.
For the record Ditko helped create the character and regardless of his personal beliefs I think his comments on Peter Parker are spot on.

[Crimson]

??

Changing his name?

Peter Pan... get it?

He was joking

[Dussan]

Peter Pan... get it?

He was joking

Hahah...

I got it! I was just playing


heh
heh

hehehe

I feel stupid

[Uncensored]

Dear god, I like this book even less.

[Elevation]

i don't know I just think we would be getting better stories later on if we let Peter grow up.

How many new ideas can you come up with by just keeping him in the same spot.

[Doom Hammer]

Well, I always thought that Peter was in high school "indefinitely," which does not quite equal forever...quite. It's more like, thus far, there are no plans to age him radically.

Or at least, I always thought.

[Frank]

Dear god, I like this book even less.

If you don`t like the book, how does that affect you in any ways? It`s like me saying "oh no they changed Batman`s costume!" when I`m not even buying and reading the adventures?

You know what I think about of the whole not aging Peter thing in USM? I think Bendis and Bagley are doing the opposite! Bendis said it that for him and Bagley, it`s not typical Marvel evolution with aging 5 years every 30 real-time Years like Marvel and Dc has done. You can already see changes in appearance with Peter and so forth with things happening issues after issues like it was days separating. So it`s not real time but it`s advancing far more rapidly than the regular MU.

But once the Bendis/Bagley run is over they will start over. So he will stay a teenager. I think that`s what Joe Q meant. It didn`t say things won`t evolve in the comic run that Bendis and Bagley are doing now.

To start over in a year or two from now Alan Davis would be great.

[donovan]

It is a fair point that there's no need to progress him exactly like ASM, but I don't like it for a couple of reasons.

One, I don't think the high school years were the apex of the original ASM. College was. (And I'm in college right now so I'd like it better. :p )

Two, you're always going to have much older people writing it, right? Bendis as is is writing a 2005 high school environment like it's 1985. Is that going to still be going on in 2015? Or is another writing going to be applying his '90s experiences to it?

It seems an interesting idea at first but I really think it's problematic. Every instance I may think a major event is taking place in his life that could trigger signigicant change or growth, I'll set the book down and realize it doesn't matter because he'll still be sitting at the same exact damn desk he was 50 issues ago, 80 issues ago, hundreds of issues ago? You can only do so much growing in one year.

A more plausible idea would be to make every issue a day, maybe. Although I don't think you necessarily need to put an exact timetable on it.

[donovan]

double post

[DDM]

I don't have a problem with it. We already have an adult Peter Parker. ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN is the venue to tell stories about the teenage version, not to rush through that period on the way to stories about the older Pete. That's the appeal.

As for aging . . . Frankilin Richards was four years old for decades. MU Peter graduated high school, went to college, and has been stuck in a vague late-20s time warp ever sense. It's comic books, after all.

Spider-Man has had numerous books over the years from Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, Marvel Team-Up which became Web of Spider-Man. How many books has Franklin Richards had? Yes, he was a secret member of Power Pack, but he's never been a solo character. I think it's a mistake for Spider-Man--even if it is Ultimate Spider-Man--to never age out of high school. The proper stories & character development will dictate change.

[Geardaddy]

i don't know I just think we would be getting better stories later on if we let Peter grow up.

How many new ideas can you come up with by just keeping him in the same spot.


These are my thoughts as well. I think the book has become stale as of late, and can't imagine how boring it'd get if, in 5-10 years, Ultimate Spider-Man is still trying to tell stories about a high school age Peter Parker.

I don't believe they will never allow him to age. Like another poster mentioned, Quesada won't be around forever (and probably not too much longer from the vibe I got in the new Wizard mag), so I think we will eventually see Ultimate Peter graduate and go on the college.

[Charagon]

They do realize that, going by the 4-1 ratio, that odds are the book will be canned long before Pete leaves high school anyway. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't age him normally.

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Spider-Man has had numerous books over the years from Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, Marvel Team-Up which became Web of Spider-Man. How many books has Franklin Richards had? Yes, he was a secret member of Power Pack, but he's never been a solo character.So? What does relative prominence have to do with what we're talking about, here?

Comics time is wonky whether you're an A-List idol of millions or Z-List cameo fodder.I think it's a mistake for Spider-Man--even if it is Ultimate Spider-Man--to never age out of high school. The proper stories & character development will dictate change.Define "proper."

If Bendis thinks he can keep getting good stories out of the high school setting, what's the problem?

[Expletive Deleted]

They do realize that, going by the 4-1 ratio, that odds are the book will be canned long before Pete leaves high school anyway.What's your reasoning on that one?

[Headhunter]

Never is an awfully long time...I'd be cool with Ultimate Peter Parker not going to university for a few years, but I can't accept him in high school in a decade.

[Frank]

What's your reasoning on that one?

Bendis. He said he wants the character to grow. That`s why you even see Bagley drawing the character differently. That means when he doesn`t have anymore things to say of Peter in High School he will leave, and Marvel will probably start over with other creators.

[Elevation]

Never is an awfully long time...I'd be cool with Ultimate Peter Parker not going to university for a few years, but I can't accept him in high school in a decade.

Exactly i think that at least withinthe next two to three years we should see Peter as a Senior in high school. Maybe don't have him go to college. That would be new.

[Grant]

I doubt it's really going to be never. But it makes sense they want to keep him young. It'd be pretty silly to have two 30 something Spideys around.

Whatever all this is going to get retconned anyway.

[Jake V]

It's kind of silly to say that he'll NEVER leave high school, when there are constant references to the timeline in the comic itself. I think just this last issue he mentioned how long its been since he got his powers.

If they had no intention of aging him, they wouldn't mention time passing at all.

Time moves really slowly in this comic, so Peter could be in high school for many more years, but forever is doubtful.

[Charagon]

What's your reasoning on that one?

Four years of high school would be about 200 issues. I just don't think Ult Spider-Man is going to last that long.

[Jake V]

Four years of high school would be about 200 issues. I just don't think Ult Spider-Man is going to last that long.
Please. In a maket where Cerebus can last over 300 issues, Ultimate Spidey can get past 200. It's already closing in on 100 now.

[Elevation]

yea Ultimate Spidey will get past the 200 mark. It hasn't been all that hard to get to 75. granted people are now really starting to get aggravated with the book. But Spidey started the ultimate universe. marvel will not let their icon go down without a fight.

[spidermans_web_in_your_eye]

I feel that he should grow up but its marvel and im pretty sure they know hat thre doin so ill just sit back an d read and see if i like what haens :)

[Charagon]

Please. In a maket where Cerebus can last over 300 issues, Ultimate Spidey can get past 200. It's already closing in on 100 now.

Not going to happen. Do you even realize that only two Spider-books in history have made it to issue 200? Amazing in 1980 and Spectacular in 1993.

Do you really believe that the Ultimate Universe is going to last for ten more years?

[aeastwic]

Please. In a maket where Cerebus can last over 300 issues, Ultimate Spidey can get past 200. It's already closing in on 100 now.

Not going to happen. Do you even realize that only two Spider-books in history have made it to issue 200? Amazing in 1980 and Spectacular in 1993.

Do you really believe that the Ultimate Universe is going to last for ten more years?

I think it could. If they keep it small and don't saturate us with titles and keep the quality high it'll last.

I imagine that once they want to tell stories about Peter outside of high school they will graduate him. They haven't run out yet, but one day they'll want to do it.

[Expletive Deleted]

Not going to happen. Do you even realize that only two Spider-books in history have made it to issue 200? Amazing in 1980 and Spectacular in 1993.WEB would've if it hadn't been for the Clone Saga and the mid-90s market crash. And SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER: SPIDER-MAN/SPECTACULAR v2 wasn't cancelled so much as it was repeatedly renumbered. If you count FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD as the same title, it'll top the 200 mark in about a year.

That leaves . . . what, SENSATIONAL?Do you really believe that the Ultimate Universe is going to last for ten more years?We're four or five years in and sales are still very strong. Barring another epically bad, never-ending storyline or giant market collapse, why wouldn't it?

[Nightcrawler]

We're four or five years in and sales are still very strong. Barring another epically bad, never-ending storyline or a giant market collapse, why wouldn't it?

My theory is that if they stick to core characters (X-Men, Spider-Man, Ultimates, etc.) that the Ult U could last for a long time.

[Charagon]

WEB would've if it hadn't been for the Clone Saga and the mid-90s market crash. And SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER: SPIDER-MAN/SPECTACULAR v2 wasn't cancelled so much as it was repeatedly renumbered. If you count FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD as the same title, it'll top the 200 mark in about a year.

After being canceled, renamed, and renumbered three times.
If somebody decides to cancel Ultimate Spider-Man it's not going to come back the next month with a different name. It'll just be gone.

We're four or five years in and sales are still very strong. Barring another epically bad, never-ending storyline or giant market collapse, why wouldn't it?

That's only a third of the way there and while sales are strong now they aren't as strong as they were and they don't seem to be getting stronger. The longer the series goes the fewer new readers will pick it up and the more people will drop it. The Ultimate Universe was created at a time when people were all disgusted with the proper MU and wanted an alternitave. In the years since then, Marvel has come a long way in fixing their universe, making the Ultimate Universe redundent. There's little need for it any more.

I believe that once the book hits issue 100 it will have hit its peak and it will all be down hill from there. The Ultimate Universe will likely be effectively dead before Ultimate Spidey hits 150.