the things that don't make sense about mutant powers

[Shadowcat]

how does magma turn into a molten hot form yet not melt through the ground or cause people near her to real from the pain of the heat or blindly light that magma produces.

[twilight]

Its a comic book.

Drink a glass of water and take two of these tablets.If symptoms persist suspend your disbelief and call me in the morning.

[Titan Slade]

Its a comic book.

Drink a glass of water and take two of these tablets.If symptoms persist suspend your disbelief and call me in the morning.

Let's please refrain from using logic around here, or you will make a bunch of fan boys mad at you.

[Shadowcat]

Its a comic book.

Drink a glass of water and take two of these tablets.If symptoms persist suspend your disbelief and call me in the morning.


whenever i see posts like these i always laugh,CLEARLY it's a comic book. does it make you feel better trying to point that out to people? the point of the thread was just to mention things about mutant powers that don't make sense,is that to hard for you to comprehend? if you don't like the thread then fine don't post, but don't be a jerk and post some utterly asinine comment.

[Titan Slade]

whenever i see posts like these i always laugh,CLEARLY it's a comic book. does it make you feel better trying to point that out to people? the point of the thread was just to mention things about mutant powers that don't make sense,is that to hard for you to comprehend? if you don't like the thread then fine don't post, but don't be a jerk and post some utterly asinine comment.

You have to admit though Shadowcat, it was a rather clever post.

[Huzzah!]

Well outside of direct contact how hot could it be. As for the standing thing....lava doesnt seem to really burn through stuff. Thats why when lave comes about mts get bigger and what not.

[Crimson]

Kittys powers are totally odd... if she can make parts of her body whole how does the whole blood thing work in her body?

[Huzzah!]

have we ever seen her bleed?

[Crimson]

have we ever seen her bleed?

Not that I know of.

You know what I mean though right? If her whole body is intangable yet he arm isn't so she can punch someone, there must be blood flow in that arm. How does that work out?

[streator]

have we ever seen her bleed?
yes. i remember illyana cut her on the cheek with the soul sword, which kitty couldnt phase through. it was in a classic x-men story.

[Huzzah!]

well other than that. She might have bleed because of


I just assume that because the blood is already in motion when she phases her arm it still retains is properties (why she can flex muscles and what not) but it simply more spread out molecularly.

[DDM]

yes. i remember illyana cut her on the cheek with the soul sword, which kitty couldnt phase through. it was in a classic x-men story.

Uncanny X-Men #171

Chris Claremont was foreshadowing Kitty's link to Magik's armor & Soulsword. Much later, when the Beyonder had obliterated Illyana's darksoul, Magik's armor & Soulsword went to Kitty when she was in a public library in The New Mutants #36. After destroying several demons, Kitty was overwhelmed. A demon was going to make another bloodstone from Kitty's soul, but Magik took back her darksoul & defeated the demon. Kitty's link with Magik also shown up in Uncanny X-Men #203, & Excalibur 6-7, 12-13.

The Soulsword cut Kitty because Shadowcat also has access to Magik's sorceress powers.

[Shadowcat]

Well outside of direct contact how hot could it be. As for the standing thing....lava doesnt seem to really burn through stuff. Thats why when lave comes about mts get bigger and what not.

when magma goes into lava form she's basicly condensed lava which must be extremely hot and bright she must admit some form of heat.you best believe lava burns through stuff and considering how she's basicly a body of lava you would think her exsisting weight would push her further down on the ground causing her to burn through it.

[Shadowcat]

You have to admit though Shadowcat, it was a rather clever post.


not really, i've seen this type of comment numerous times on message boards after awhile it gets tiresome. although if this were my first introduction to that type of comment i would find it humours.

[DDM]

when magma goes into lava form she's basicly condensed lava which must be extremely hot and bright she must admit some form of heat.you best believe lava burns through stuff and considering how she's basicly a body of lava you would think her exsisting weight would push her further down on the ground causing her to burn through it.

Amara has never purposely touched anyone in her Magma form. When Jetstream wished to kiss her at the Masachsettes Academy Danger Room, she said he would have to settle for her as Magma. Magma has absolute control over her form & the lava she controls. She absorbs the heat into herself when she melts something to make it cool to the touch for others such as when she melted a hole in the floor at the White Queen's school.

[Schmakt]

is Magma real in the MU now? or just in the video game?

[venuscameback]

is Magma real in the MU now? or just in the video game?

Magma was a central character in the original New Mutants series, and recently reappeared in X-Treme X-Men for the Prisoner of Fire arc


venus

[Titan Slade]

I just don't understand the need to apply physics to superheroes? If you apply proper physics to them, then none of what the do is possible. Not even the powerless guys like Batman and the Punisher. Just enjoy superheroes for what they are, pure fiction. It's not a biology test, it's a comic book.

[Huzzah!]

when magma goes into lava form she's basicly condensed lava which must be extremely hot and bright she must admit some form of heat.you best believe lava burns through stuff and considering how she's basicly a body of lava you would think her exsisting weight would push her further down on the ground causing her to burn through it.


It doesnt burn through like soil because thats how we have mountains...or something.

Plus who says the bottom of her feet are magma...has that been established?

I expect even if after a while she would start to collect debris on them

[DDM]

is Magma real in the MU now? or just in the video game?

Magma first appeared in The New Mutants #8. Her origin is in The New Mutants #8-11. Magma joined in The New Mutants #13. She plays a primary role in The New Mutants series specifically The New Mutants #8-66, Annuals #1-6, Special Edition #1. Magma is a current reserve member of the XSE X-Men along with Sunspot & Cannonball.

[jamz]

comic books like cartoons defy the laws of gravity, physics and reality but hot dawg theyre entertaining

[Asian Knight]

Not that I know of.

You know what I mean though right? If her whole body is intangable yet he arm isn't so she can punch someone, there must be blood flow in that arm. How does that work out?

I think that there is a bit of a system. If you realized, she can't breathe while phased. Thus she has to hold her breath. Least thats what I've read.

I think somehow blood clots appear when she is phased. But I'm not entirely sure on this.

I mean look at it this way. Cyke's eyelids stop his optic blasts even though they aren't made of ruby quartz. But Chamber's power destroyed his torso & his mouth giving him the ability of psychic speech.

[Asian Knight]

is Magma real in the MU now? or just in the video game?

Magma was first known as Amara Aquilla. But her true name is Allison Crestmere. She is in fact the daughter of a unnamed British ambassador. And her powers only worked around the European area I believe.

Let me guess, you've only played X-Men Legends huh?

[DDM]

Magma was first known as Amara Aquilla. But her true name is Allison Crestmere. She is in fact the daughter of a unnamed British ambassador. And her powers only worked around the European area I believe.

Let me guess, you've only played X-Men Legends huh?

Chris Claremont re-retconned Magma back to Amara Aquilla in X-Treme X-Men; the "Alison Crestmere" identity was a lie.

[LoneWolf21]

I remember Magma, back in the "Larry Bodine" issue of New Mutants, was seen weaing oven mitts on her feet while in "Magma" form so she wouldn't torch the kitchen floor while using the powered up form to heat up pancakes.

[Sentry]

the original 5 were all with in the laws of physics ( more or less)

beast ( human form)
ice-man
jean grey
cyclops
angel

but since then we have had rediculous powers...

my main gripe coming from forge , come on, it should be natural and making guns/ machines etc is not a nature process the human body can do , it has to be learnt.

also mystique is really inconsistent with her powers.

[Tenebrae]

Cyke's eyelids stop his optic blasts even though they aren't made of ruby quartz.

Cyclops is immune to his own power (and, incidentally, his brother's power). His body is unaffected by the unique energy that comes from his eyes, which is how his eyelids can hold back the optic blast. If they couldn't, he wouldn't be able to sleep or blink. Equally, he's been shown holding back his optic blasts by holding up his fingers to his eyes. I assume this is also how he's been able to have hair that falls lower than his eyeline and not have it shorn off.

[The Dosadi Experiment]

If Cyclops looked at the moon, would his blast reach it?

Shouldn't page grow smaller each time she sheds her skin? And if she transforms into glass or into steel, how can she shed then? Can she shed into something that she won't be able to shed out of?
Like in the AoA she transformed into... something... that didn't seem quite solid...

[TinMan]

If Cyclops looked at the moon, would his blast reach it?

Shouldn't page grow smaller each time she sheds her skin? And if she transforms into glass or into steel, how can she shed then? Can she shed into something that she won't be able to shed out of?
Like in the AoA she transformed into... something... that didn't seem quite solid...

1) I would think that his blast would reach the moon, much like a laser it would continue until it hit something and stopped it, or was reflected in a different direction only to continue until it did hit something solid and non reflective to stop it. also, i have never read any evidence to support the idea that it would just dissipate after sometime, so until then, i will continue to believe as i just explained.

2) Well considering that Paige's mutant power only effects the top layer of skin she technically would only get smaller by maybe a micrometer at a time. Also the human body is constantly creating new skin as the old flakes off, so in actuality for it to have any real size changing effect she would have to shed repeatedly for hours to make herself smaller, but she would also just be stripping away her skin, once she got past all the skin she would just be muscle and bone. but considering the fact that she has to wait a short time to use her powers again this would suggest that she *only* uses the top layer of skin to "husk", so she has to let it grow back to full depth before she can shed again. As for the part two of your question, it stands to reason that just like cyclops ability to hold back his optic blasts with his eyelids or hands, Paige is the only one that can physically rip her own skin off, otherwise whenever she was in a fight chunks of her skin would be ripped off to reveal her flesh below, which would just about make her ability worthless. so with the AoA Paige, i honestly think that its a stupid idea that she wouldn't be able to change back to her normal self because she is the only one that can really rip her skin (depending on the circumstances of the material she is and the weapon/ability used against her) and even if she was something squishy she should be able to negate her own power to rip it off, though it may be more difficult if its slimey or squishy.

[DDM]

also mystique is really inconsistent with her powers.

Chris Claremont clearly defined Mystique's powers. She is a shapeshifter, but she is not able to draw on mass from another source such as Meggan or mimic the mutants or super heroes she is pretending to be such as Wolverine, Nightcrawler, the Wasp. Mystique cannot turn into inanimate objects like the Skrulls. Mystique created the Raven Darkholme identity to infiltrate the government.

However, over the years, Mystique's powers have been miswritten. She cannot create wings to fly because she cannot make her bones hollow. She can't created two heads from one.

The Marvel editors & writers really did not know Mystique once Claremont & Louise Simonson left the X-Men books in 1991.

[moebius]

Paige is the only one that can physically rip her own skin off, otherwise whenever she was in a fight chunks of her skin would be ripped off to reveal her flesh below, which would just about make her ability worthless. so with the AoA Paige, i honestly think that its a stupid idea that she wouldn't be able to change back to her normal self because she is the only one that can really rip her skin (depending on the circumstances of the material she is and the weapon/ability used against her) and even if she was something squishy she should be able to negate her own power to rip it off, though it may be more difficult if its slimey or squishy.

Paige almost died at somepoint (Generation Next? Gen X 1?) and the only way to save her was to rip her skin off for her.

[Dizzy D]

Chris Claremont clearly defined Mystique's powers. She is a shapeshifter, but she is not able to draw on mass from another source such as Meggan or mimic the mutants or super heroes she is pretending to be such as Wolverine, Nightcrawler, the Wasp. Mystique cannot turn into inanimate objects like the Skrulls. Mystique created the Raven Darkholme identity to infiltrate the government.

However, over the years, Mystique's powers have been miswritten. She cannot create wings to fly because she cannot make her bones hollow. She can't created two heads from one.

The Marvel editors & writers really did not know Mystique once Claremont & Louise Simonson left the X-Men books in 1991.

Mystique was exposed to a mutagenic compound in X-men Forever 6, hence her powers have changed. An example of this was her immunity to Toad's toxin during the Dream's End storyline, also written by Claremont. Then again, the Mystique series called in doubt that that person was in fact Mystique.


1) I would think that his blast would reach the moon, much like a laser it would continue until it hit something and stopped it, or was reflected in a different direction only to continue until it did hit something solid and non reflective to stop it. also, i have never read any evidence to support the idea that it would just dissipate after sometime, so until then, i will continue to believe as i just explained.

Unlike a laser, Cyclops blast becomes wider the more distance it travels though, so it should have become far weaker by the time it reaches the moon.

[Shadowcat]

It doesnt burn through like soil because thats how we have mountains...or something.

Plus who says the bottom of her feet are magma...has that been established?

I expect even if after a while she would start to collect debris on them


we've seen her been flipped over many times and the bottom of her feet have always been magmay. magma does burn through things it passes its just that its more keen on moving and not exactly staying in one spot which makes it curve and form our earth. but if magma were to just stay in one spot like magma is especially with her weight pressing down on the ground you would think she'd slip through.

[TinMan]

Paige almost died at somepoint (Generation Next? Gen X 1?) and the only way to save her was to rip her skin off for her.

as i recall it may have been gen x #1, but i'm not sure. think about it, if someone else could rip it off then all someone would have to do is punch here and even metal skin would just rip right off. its just stupid that something like that would be written.

but then again i suppose it could be a conscious release of the skin that allows to be pulled off, so in that case anyone would be able to, but under those circumstances it means that she would have to concentrate at all times to keep it intact. so if she stopped concentrating on it she would run into the same type of problem that i described above, someone could just punch her and the friction would rip chunks of her "skin" off.

[Shadowcat]

Chris Claremont clearly defined Mystique's powers. She is a shapeshifter, but she is not able to draw on mass from another source such as Meggan or mimic the mutants or super heroes she is pretending to be such as Wolverine, Nightcrawler, the Wasp. Mystique cannot turn into inanimate objects like the Skrulls. Mystique created the Raven Darkholme identity to infiltrate the government.

However, over the years, Mystique's powers have been miswritten. She cannot create wings to fly because she cannot make her bones hollow. She can't created two heads from one.

The Marvel editors & writers really did not know Mystique once Claremont & Louise Simonson left the X-Men books in 1991.


*sigh* this might be a crazy thought but perhaps mystique learn to do things with her powers beyond her limitations? even when she took that two headed form she said the strain was so much it nearly killed her.

[Shadowcat]

If Cyclops looked at the moon, would his blast reach it?

Shouldn't page grow smaller each time she sheds her skin? And if she transforms into glass or into steel, how can she shed then? Can she shed into something that she won't be able to shed out of?
Like in the AoA she transformed into... something... that didn't seem quite solid...


apparenlty before shedding her skin she flashfries it so it's easy for her to rip off. so i would assume when she was in her acidic form she somehow flash fried it to the point where it was solidly burnt enough for her to grab and rip off.

[The Mirrorball Man]

How does Cyclops manage to have his optic blasts rebound on walls? He used to do it all the time back in the good old days.

[venuscameback]

Chris Claremont clearly defined Mystique's powers. She is a shapeshifter, but she is not able to draw on mass from another source such as Meggan or mimic the mutants or super heroes she is pretending to be such as Wolverine, Nightcrawler, the Wasp. Mystique cannot turn into inanimate objects like the Skrulls. Mystique created the Raven Darkholme identity to infiltrate the government.

However, over the years, Mystique's powers have been miswritten. She cannot create wings to fly because she cannot make her bones hollow. She can't created two heads from one.

The Marvel editors & writers really did not know Mystique once Claremont & Louise Simonson left the X-Men books in 1991.

Chris Claremont wrote Mystique as impersonating Wolverine ... circa Uncanny #180, the cover with Rogue standing over a defeated Wolverine. Or do you mean something else, that Mystique can mimic the appearance but not or to create an internal 'pocket' in which to hide a gun.the powers?

Not being able to make hollow bones would not necessarily prevent Mystique from flying - all she has to do is create enough muscle strength in the wings to be able to carry her body weight. Hollow bones help someone like Archangel fly, gain altitude with less effort etc but as i understand it hollow bones are not essential for flight - just incredibly helpful.

This may explain why Mystique has 'grown' wings so rarely.

I don't see any reason why Mystique shouldn't have become more proficient with her powers over the years and steadily found more ways of using them. such as to impersonate a statue or take a fully flexible, elastic form to ride a blast wave.

just because she couldn't do some of these things when Claremont wrote her doesn't mean her abilities have to be stuck at that degree throughout her life. Almost ever other charatcer has has improvements in abilities, raw power or their variety of power stunts, why should Mystique be the exception?


venus

[Shadowcat]

the only limit that should be on mystiques powers is that she cannot turn into inanimate objects like morph.

[Huzzah!]

i dont really want to see her sprouting arms and heads myself.

[streator]

How does Cyclops manage to have his optic blasts rebound on walls? He used to do it all the time back in the good old days.
good question. he did it during eve of destruction, too (took out the blob and random with a corner shot).

[venuscameback]

i dont really want to see her sprouting arms and heads myself.

neither do I ... but that's more personal preference than thinking she shouldn't be able to do it.


although I think if she creates an additonal body part, like an arm or head, it should be at the expense of body mass from elsewhere - so maybe she's shorter or slimmer or something.


i wouldn't want to see her gain additional body mass from a mysterious dimension to allow her to significantly grow in size, or shrink. although modest changes are okay - a few inches more or less in height shouldn't be hard for her to do


venus

[Anon_me]

How does Mystique morph her clothes and make things like eyepatches?

[DDM]

Mystique was exposed to a mutagenic compound in X-men Forever 6, hence her powers have changed. An example of this was her immunity to Toad's toxin during the Dream's End storyline, also written by Claremont. Then again, the Mystique series called in doubt that that person was in fact Mystique.

Mystique changed her appearance for the first X-Men movie. Notice Mystique did not keep the scales or the nudity for Mystique #1? It's more inconsistency from Marvel.

[DDM]

How does Mystique morph her clothes and make things like eyepatches?

Mystique probably has stolen some unstable molecules from Reed Richards. It explains why she can change the clothes on her body to mimic anything she wants.

[streator]

Mystique changed her appearance for the first X-Men movie. Notice Mystique did not keep the scales or the nudity for Mystique #1? It's more inconsistency from Marvel.
the explanation was that the scaly form was her new "true" form, but she preferred the classic blue look so she maintained her appearance that way. the scaly look was featured in xxm, among other places. i never liked the scaly look, so i hope its been done away with, but officially its still her "true" template.

[DDM]

the explanation was that the scaly form was her new "true" form, but she preferred the classic blue look so she maintained her appearance that way. the scaly look was featured in xxm, among other places. i never liked the scaly look, so i hope its been done away with, but officially its still her "true" template.

It's only her true template form if you read X-Men Forever #1-6; however, Mystique is shown in her original appearance in the X-Men regular books. I think Mystique's scales will be forgotten.

[streator]

It's only her true template form if you read X-Men Forever #1-6; however, Mystique is shown in her original appearance in the X-Men regular books. I think Mystique's scales will be forgotten.
no, its her true form. that title was in-continuity. thats like saying bishop's first name isnt lucas if you didnt read x-treme x-men. not saying i like mystique's change, but you cant consider x-work outside of claremont's non-consequential.

[Dizzy D]

It's only her true template form if you read X-Men Forever #1-6; however, Mystique is shown in her original appearance in the X-Men regular books. I think Mystique's scales will be forgotten.

Read Dream's End: Mystique reverts to the scaly look when Toad tries to use his toxin on here.

According to Mystique's own series her clothes are just extension of her morphing body as she explains to Short Pack how she can change appearance.

[venuscameback]

Mystique probably has stolen some unstable molecules from Reed Richards. It explains why she can change the clothes on her body to mimic anything she wants.

good answer, DDM.

I'd assumed that she changed the surface layer of skin to look like clothes but when you think of how fabric moves and flows, especially when we move, that would be incredibly difficult to do and a massive extension of her abilities.

so unstable molecules makes more sense - and it would be like Mystique to think of stealing some


venus

[DDM]

no, its her true form. that title was in-continuity. thats like saying bishop's first name isnt lucas if you didnt read x-treme x-men. not saying i like mystique's change, but you cant consider x-work outside of claremont's non-consequential.

Does this mean we'll see scaly skin creepy movie Mystique in Peter Milligan's X-Men? I doubt it. Thus far, all we've seen is Mystique that has appeared since Ms. Marvel #18 of the non-scaly skin, fully clothed variety even when she was hitting on Gambit as "Foxx."

[Ever9]

I like Mystique's newly enhanced powers. They're quite disgusting to look at (when she made herself flimsy to survive an explosion) sometimes, but I like the enhancement. About Shadowcat, why can't she fly if she's lighter than air? Wouldn't you be able to fly if you're lighter than air? I know she can walk on air, but why not fly? You have molecular control, Kitty! Shouldn't she be, like, the most powerful mutant on earth or is it just that she can only control her personal molecules?

One thing I don't understand about mutant powers is the energy blasting mutants. If you fire some sort of radioactive energy at a human, won't they start, I don't know, decaying or something? Another thing - when did Cyclops' eye beams become lasers? He can weld?! He said they were just force beams. What the heck are force beams? And explosive kinetic energy? And how would the ability to fire fireworks out of your hands work? Do they shoot out and then detonate? Seems sort of useless in a ranged attack if they don't.

[Shadowcat]

no, its her true form. that title was in-continuity. thats like saying bishop's first name isnt lucas if you didnt read x-treme x-men. not saying i like mystique's change, but you cant consider x-work outside of claremont's non-consequential.


yes but the whole scaley thing has been ignored. it isn't her regular form because she's been knocked out numerous times since then and has always reverted to the classic blue look.