Best and worse deaths

[Blackcat]

I just saw in another thread the mentioning of the death of Hurricane and thought of his way of dying. Lifeforce death was cool too!

Which are the greatest deaths and the worse? By this I mean the WAY they died, not the fact that your happy or sad they died.

The worst death is the death of Maggot and Siena Blaze, a gasschamber come on, a bit more drama on their deaths was welcomed by me.

A few of the best deaths were: Jean the first time, Storm in DOFP, Northstar and Lifeforce.

[atoningunifex]

All the deaths are completely void and meaningless. A character only stays dead until a writer wans to bring them back. Without finality it's all just videogame death- annoying but you start over again.

[Blackcat]

All the deaths are completely void and meaningless. A character only stays dead until a writer wans to bring them back. Without finality it's all just videogame death- annoying but you start over again.

Yeah yeah yeah, we heard that opinion a hundred times.....

[atoningunifex]

Yeah yeah yeah, we heard that opinion a hundred times.....


And now you've heard it 101.

But now I feel bad.

So I will say that Jean's original death was wonderfully intense and powerful and heart-rending. it was a truly amazing statement on the nobility of sacrifice for a higher goal.

And Marvel waited, what, 5 years before telling us that it wasn't Jean but a Xerox copy that thought she was Jean.

Colossus's death, which gets maligned by everyone, was actually a pretty good Russian literature death. Colossus, after losing almost everything in his life, decides to sacrifice himself to remove a plague from the world. In true Russian fashion he suffers and suffers and goes through hell but in the end still feels compelled to use his life to give something to the world.

Not that the fans appreciate that kind of thing. They'd rather jerk off to the emotional bathos of Kitty coming across Colossus being tortured in a basement.

Thunderbird's death sticks. He doesn't come back. And he had one of the stupider deaths. He was hot-headed and got killed because of his carelesness. But I like that he's stayed dead- so he wins the "Best Death Award" from me.

[Huzzah!]

Thunderbird had the best death of them all. Not because he didnt come back, its just simply the best and most emotional in its own way.

[Titan Slade]

Thunderbird had the best death of them all. Not because he didnt come back, its just simply the best and most emotional in its own way.

Oh he came back, in the carbon copy that is his brother James ;) .

[Huzzah!]

nah

James isnt as cool as Thunderbird.

[Calybos]

The worst death I've seen recently was the female Sunfire in Exiles.

[Huzzah!]

X-statix deaths....i dont know if they are good, as i hated the characters, or bad, as they were done poorly.

Conflicted

[Jack Flash]

you are right, James isn't as cool as Tbird. He's cooler. much much cooler.

I thought Pyro's death was a good one. I also liked Wolvie's death in DOFP.

I thought Colossus's death was the worst. Marvel basically saying "Hey kids, when the going gets tough, the tough commit suicide" really stuck in my craw and left a terrible mark on the x-men.

and....Sienna Blaze did not die. someone who looked a little like her "died" off panel. it just didn't happen. She wasn't named on screen. it wasn't her.

[Huzzah!]

I dont know if anyone who wore a hellion getup could be considered "cool"

plus warpath?


And flying?

Tsk tsk tsk

[fishtaco]

Death is death. I dont really judge death. In fact, I dont think death is ever a good thing, either.

[Jack Flash]

I dont know if anyone who wore a hellion getup could be considered "cool"

plus warpath?


And flying?

Tsk tsk tsk

Don't underestimate the power of purple/pink uniforms.

[Beast]

Ultimate Beast. Worst death ever. Damn you, Bendis! :mad:

[DDM]

Delete due to CBR's green jello server.

[DDM]

delete due to CBR's green jello server.

[DDM]

The only ones that stick out in my mind is the death of Thunderbird in Uncanny X-Men #95 & the death of Phoenix in Uncanny X-Men #137. Every other death has been bad, bad, bad such as Illyana's death in Uncanny X-Men #304, Rachel's death of old age in The Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix #4, Colossus' death in the horrid Scott Lobdell issue. Magneto has died so many times recently it's not even funny.

[Babylon23]

Worst death ever goes to Hawkeye.

As far as X-Men go, I hate any 1-2 panel death scene. THe Hellions come to mind.

Best deaths go to Phoenix version 1 and Thunderbird.

[fishtaco]

The only ones that stick out in my mind is the death of Thunderbird in Uncanny X-Men #95 & the death of Phoenix in Uncanny X-Men #137. Every other death has been bad, bad, bad such as Illyana's death in Uncanny X-Men #304, Rachel's death of old age in The Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix #4, Colossus' death in the horrid Scott Lobdell issue. Magneto has died so many times recently it's not even funny.There are plenty of other "good ones". It doesnt always have to major characters.

[karasu]

The worst is when Gambit killed Colossus in the Age of Apocalypse storyline One measley deck of cards? I think not.

The best isn't technically a death, but it would have been if it were a different character. I'm talking about when Wolverine was shot in the forehead at the end of Wolverine #150.

[fishtaco]

The worst is when Gambit killed Cyclops in the Age of Apocalypse storyline One measley deck of cards? I think not.

The best isn't technically a death, but it would have been if it were a different character. I'm talking about when Wolverine was shot in the forehead at the end of Wolverine #150.Gambit didnt kill Cyclops in the AOA. He killed Colossus, if thats what you mean.

[Mister Mets]

The best deaths because of the way they died.....

Thunderbird. Uncanny X-Men #95

Proteus. Uncanny X-Men #128
Forced Collosus to grow up.

Dark Phoenix. Uncanny X-MEn #137
I liked how she was planning it all along.

Future X-Men. Uncanny X-MEn #142
Forever made the Sentinels great X-Men villains.

Shingen. Wolverine (mini series) #4
Second best sfx in comics- The snikt (the best is "snap" from Amazing Spider-Man #121)

"Charlemagne" Spider-Man VS. Wolverine
Traumatized Spidey.

Genosha. New X-Men #115
The genocide that shook up the X-books.

25 or so bad guys- Wolverine Volume 2 #6
What can I say? I like beserker rages.

Jean Grey, and Magneto. New X-Men #150
One of the best murder-suicides in comic books.

Northstar- Wolverine #25
Kitty tries to reassure him that Wolverine's not dangerous. Wolverine attacks. Kitty phases. Northstar dies.

Worse deaths...
Ultimate Beast- Ultimate X-Men #45
Struck me as insanely pointless. And the execution wasn't the best.

[The Mirrorball Man]

The death of U-Go Girl in X-Force is my favorite.

[TinMan]

you are right, James isn't as cool as Tbird. He's cooler. much much cooler.

I thought Pyro's death was a good one. I also liked Wolvie's death in DOFP.

I thought Colossus's death was the worst. Marvel basically saying "Hey kids, when the going gets tough, the tough commit suicide" really stuck in my craw and left a terrible mark on the x-men.

and....Sienna Blaze did not die. someone who looked a little like her "died" off panel. it just didn't happen. She wasn't named on screen. it wasn't her.

Ok, this is a bit off topic, but i gotta comment. your "Hey kids, when the going gets tough, the tough commit suicide" line is definitely one of the funniest things i have heard all week, i thank you for that, i almost fell out of my chair here at work.

as for the topic, i don't nitpic about stuff like this, but when it comes to Piotr's death i hate the fact they killed him off, but i see it as very noble since he did save thousands if not millions of mutant lives by sacrificing himself. if he had to go, it was an honorable way to kick the bucket.

[Dussan]

The best deaths because of the way they died.....



Jean Grey, and Magneto. New X-Men #150
One of the best murder-suicides in comic books.

Northstar- Wolverine #25
Kitty tries to reassure him that Wolverine's not dangerous. Wolverine attacks. Kitty phases. Northstar dies.

Worse deaths...
Ultimate Beast- Ultimate X-Men #45
Struck me as insanely pointless. And the execution wasn't the best.

LOL

Are you serious bout Northstar?

[Nyssane]

BEST:
- Hurricane getting stabbed with thousands of adamantium shards (that was such a gruesome scene).
- Mastermind dying of the Legacy Virus. The whole issue was just handled very well, and it was definitely a more meaningful death than SOME people get.

WORST:
- Any of Tieri's deaths (Neverland camp, Bloodsport tournament), but fortunately, most of his deaths are so meaningless that they all come back eventually.
- Pyro's death (or moreso, the aftermath where nobody seems to realize he's gone).
- Cylla's death, what a waste of a cool character.
- Pestilence's death, why kill her off so soon?

[fishtaco]

BEST:
- Pyro's death (or moreso, the aftermath where nobody seems to realize he's gone).hey, cmon now. The issue with Pyro's death was so touching. A man who would have caused a dark future by killing ONE man, ends up sacrificing his life (even though he was going to die soon anyway) to save that same man's life from his former friend, whom he realized is doing something wrong. Pyro died in Kelly's arms begging him for no more fighting and discrimination. It was the death of the man that originaly tried to kill Kelly that caused Kelly to realize that Xavier's dream is worth fighting for. Dreams End was so touching. Its one of my favorite X-stories. I understand that he was a popular character, but I thought it was handled so well.

[jarrod]

The death of U-Go Girl in X-Force is my favorite.
Enthusiastically seconded!!

[MrBiggs7]

Nobody mentioned Skin yet? Pointless death. Didn't do a good job of driving any storyline and I would think that his powers can prevent the suffocation that a cruxifiction causes.

[Huzzah!]

you know....youre right


Wow that death was stupid...how exactly didnt he sort of seep down to the ground


he's like jello

[Schellenberg]

Ok, this is a bit off topic, but i gotta comment. your "Hey kids, when the going gets tough, the tough commit suicide" line is definitely one of the funniest things i have heard all week, i thank you for that, i almost fell out of my chair here at work.

as for the topic, i don't nitpic about stuff like this, but when it comes to Piotr's death i hate the fact they killed him off, but i see it as very noble since he did save thousands if not millions of mutant lives by sacrificing himself. if he had to go, it was an honorable way to kick the bucket.


Ah, yes: the aitch word.

For once, the big guy did something useful. Something very, very useful. So to the guy up above with the "going gets tough" line, allow me to counter with a "chicky-chicky buck-buck" for those of y'all who grunt "ALL SUICIDE BAD." Swings both ways, kids. Colossus had pretty much hit an evolutionary dead end (pun intended, X-fans), and they gave him a noble out. Now he's back. And I very much agree with the comment even further up about fans preferring to yank off to him and Kitty bathosizing in a tunnel to seeing him leave when the leaving was good. Marvel tried to let him depart with dignity and purpose, and now he's back--as a three-hundred-plus-pound paperweight.

Good death. Baaaaad resurrection.

[Jack Flash]

Ah, yes: the aitch word.

For once, the big guy did something useful. Something very, very useful. So to the guy up above with the "going gets tough" line, allow me to counter with a "chicky-chicky buck-buck" for those of y'all who grunt "ALL SUICIDE BAD." Swings both ways, kids. Colossus had pretty much hit an evolutionary dead end (pun intended, X-fans), and they gave him a noble out. Now he's back. And I very much agree with the comment even further up about fans preferring to yank off to him and Kitty bathosizing in a tunnel to seeing him leave when the leaving was good. Marvel tried to let him depart with dignity and purpose, and now he's back--as a three-hundred-plus-pound paperweight.

Good death. Baaaaad resurrection.

not to get this off topic, but what does "Swings both ways, kids" mean? and not sure what "chicky-chicky buck-buck", but I respect your opinion I guess. Not sure I understand much of your counter point though.

and I agree, Skin's death was a mess too. Poor Gen X'rs

[jcp011c]

Best death - a tie for Colllosus in UXM 390 and Dark Phoenix/Jean Grey in UXM 137. Both deaths stood for something, and should have stayed permanant.

Worst death(s) - any death that doesn't accomplish something and then gets reconned. Prime Example: Psylocke. I really like the character, but shhe should have just gone missing, not dead.

The fact is that when someone dies for very shallow reasons or publicity stunts, and is resurrected, it causes the death to fall flat on it's face and readers to wonder "why did heck did they do that to begin with?"

[Sabre]

hey, cmon now. The issue with Pyro's death was so touching. A man who would have caused a dark future by killing ONE man, ends up sacrificing his life (even though he was going to die soon anyway) to save that same man's life from his former friend, whom he realized is doing something wrong. Pyro died in Kelly's arms begging him for no more fighting and discrimination. It was the death of the man that originaly tried to kill Kelly that caused Kelly to realize that Xavier's dream is worth fighting for. Dreams End was so touching. Its one of my favorite X-stories. I understand that he was a popular character, but I thought it was handled so well.

Well, like Nyssane said, the aftermath in which barely anybody noticed -- including his friends who have yet to even mention him since -- was pretty bad. I agree that his death itself was good, but the way it's been handled since is godawful. He might as well have never existed.

Do other characters note that Kelly was saved by a mutant and killed by a human? Have there been stories about Kelly's death and Pyro's sacrifice making an impact on anyone? Nope, nothing. Even during Dream's End itself, the X-Men complain that the cops tried to arrest them along with the Brotherhood after Pyro's death, and right after the crossover, characters comment that anti-mutant sentiment is just as strong as ever. The fact that neither Kelly nor Pyro are ever mentioned make their deaths just a waste.

[xakko]

Colossus's death was, I'll admit, a possibility given his character, but why they did it was a major load of B.S.- they killed him off because he was too difficult to write and they needed a way out of a B.S. storyline they'd saddled themselves with- the Legacy Virus. I personally find it hard to believe that a man with a light telepathic rapport with his students would not have detected thoughts of suicide, however. So unless Lobdell is hinting that Xavier wanted Peter to die... regardless, it's over and has thankfully been undone. That it was so poorly dealt with afterwards- X-Men #110 was touching, but had at least one MAJOR continuity flaw (showing Peter in human form being comforted by Kitty after his sister's death, when he was stuck in changeform- and if they'd had that night- if he'd been able to grieve- he would most likely not have joined Magneto at 'Yana's funeral.). Uncanny #391 had that garbage with Cyclops having the "you abandoned us!" argument with his father- again, after it had been settled long before. The X-Men Unlimited story with Nightcrawler was too short and too shallow. Ororo was far too blase about it, and Kurt, as a Catholic, never discussed his religion's prohibition against suicide. We never got reactions from Marrow or Callisto. We never got a memorial issue where all the X-Men dealt with it, like Jean had through Scott's flashbacks after the Dark Phoenix saga, or Moira had after her death.

There are very few deaths that "work" for me. Thunderbird's- as a character who existed only to die- served its purpose, because the reader got the sense of how dangerous the lives of the X-men were but didn't have the time to get a profound emotional attachment to the character.

One death I found particularly touching was Annalee during the Morlock massacre. Her children had been slaughted by the Marauders earlier, and she died protecting others.