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Tobio
07-13-2005, 01:53 AM
Is it Erik Lensher(sp?) or Erik Magnus and why do I have these two names in my head?

Huzzah!
07-13-2005, 02:28 AM
well erik lenshereresrearears or whatever was supposedly his name till it was retconned.

Now Magnus seems to be his only "real" name or whatever.


Magnus could be a name


How about

magnus silverman or magnus silverstein

The Sword Is Drawn
07-13-2005, 04:36 AM
I thought it was Erik Magnus Lenscherr?

Stephane Garrelie
07-13-2005, 05:02 AM
In the 80's it was Magnus.
:)
"Erik Lensher" is from the Scott Lobdell Magneto Crossover around 1993. :o

The Mirrorball Man
07-13-2005, 06:11 AM
I think it's "Lensherr", actually.

Nefarius
07-13-2005, 06:29 AM
Well,we don't know Magneto's real name.After the death of his daughter in a fire that destroy his house and the massacre of some humans who attack him because of his power,Magneto change his name in order to hide from the KGB and continue to search for Magda.Even now we don't know his true name.

streator
07-13-2005, 07:30 AM
it is just magnus, now. the erik lensherr name turned out to be a fake i.d., created by magneto and georg orekirk.
from x-men 72:
In Sibiu, Romania, at the foot of the Transylvanian Alps, there is a modest looking home on a modest street. There, criminal Georg Odekirk lives a modest life. It is rumored that he signed his own birth certificate at birth. Who signs his death certificate will be a totally different legend. Odekirk finishes the last touches of a fake passport in bed, while his wife sleeps beside him. A voice tells Odekirk that his work is exquisite. Odekirk looks into the air as Magneto tells him that it was a fitting masterpiece with which to end his career. “Merciful God…” stammers Odekirk at the sight of Magneto. No, says Magneto, he must have him confused with someone else, for mercy is not on the program tonight.
Back in Romania, Magneto tells Odekirk that he failed the master of magnetism. Terrified, Odekirk begs Magneto to leave him alone for the sake of his slumbering wife. Magneto assures the forger that she will sleep soundly, for she was not the one who betrayed him. Magneto leans in closer as Odekirk defends himself. Magneto explains that Odekirk’s incompetence is what betrayed him. Does the man remember what he promised Magneto nearly 25 years ago?
Magneto was searching for his wife, Magda, while the authorities chased after him for his “crime” of avenging the death of his daughter. He risked everything to find one woman and the Erik Lensherr identity was a means used to make sure that he would be safe on his journey. Odekirk swore that his papers were flawless, but now it seems that the man is a liability. His work has been questioned and Magneto’s enemies will come looking for Odekirk. Odekirk begins to explain that his work is flawless, but Magneto stops him. He gave birth to Erik Lensherr, says Magneto, as he puts his hand on Odekirk’s face. Tonight, Odekirk will kill Erik. Magneto uses his powers to kill Odekirk and announces that now all that is left is Magnus.
(synopsis from uncannyxmen.net)
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1939

The Mirrorball Man
07-13-2005, 08:57 AM
it is just magnus, now. the erik lensherr name turned out to be a fake i.d., created by magneto and georg orekirk.
Thank you, I didn't know that...

...But it made me think (always a dangerous thing): isn't it slightly ridiculous to add another layer of confusing and convoluted continuity to this character, just to get rid of the "Erik Lensherr" identity, an identity which was used in the X-Men movies, and thus had acquired a greater visibility in the general public and in fanboy circles? What's wrong with "Erik Lensherr"? And why is it so hard for Marvel mutants (Rogue, Bishop, etc.) to get civilian names and stick with them?

That being said, I was puzzled in the X-Men movies, when everybody pronounced Magneto's named "lane-sure". The German spelling always led me to pronounce it "lance-hair".

DDM
07-13-2005, 09:34 AM
Magneto's real identity is unknown. He calls himself Magnus. I hate the Erik Lensheer alias.

The Mirrorball Man
07-13-2005, 09:36 AM
Magneto's real identity is unknown. He calls himself Magnus. I hate the Erik Lensheer alias.
May I ask why?

Keith_Martineau
07-13-2005, 09:40 AM
Even to the last of Excalibur before House of M, he was being referred to as Erik.

I always understood that Magnus was the name he went by, until it was discovered his name was Erik Lensherr. In the movies that is what his name is.

I did notice that in House of M, he's referred to as Lord Magnus, even though in the first issue Charles called him Erik.

I think for simplicities sake, his assumed real name is still Erik Lensherr, and Magnus is kind of a nickname or assumed name, while Magneto is his villain/terrorist name.

DDM
07-13-2005, 09:58 AM
May I ask why?

It came out of the blue just to give Magneto a "real name" when he has a real name: Magnus.

Huzzah!
07-13-2005, 11:54 AM
Magnus is a scandinavian name isnt? I knew a Magnus once

The Mirrorball Man
07-13-2005, 12:24 PM
It came out of the blue just to give Magneto a "real name" when he has a real name: Magnus.
Ok, I understand. But Magnus is not a real name, right? It might be a real first name, or a real last name, but as it is, it feels a little incomplete. What is it? Erik Magnus? Magnus Lensherr? Magnus Magnus? Or something else entirely?

Again, why is it so hard for Claremont and all the other X-writers to give proper names to their characters? Why did we have to wait 15 years to learn Bishop's first name? "Hey man, you're like a brother to me, we've lived in the same house for years, we've saved each other's lives many times. What's your first name, again?". It doesn't make sense.

Can you imagine that in movies? "My name is Bond... and er... leave it at that, just call me 'Bond'".

Vegetarian Goat
07-13-2005, 12:55 PM
I know they retconned the "Erik Lensherr" name away... but in Excalibur vol. 2, didn't Magneto go by Erik Lensherr? I mean, i know all the other characters referred to him as such, and he did nothing to dissuade them.

Claremont seems to prefer the name.. that's good enough, right?

Asian Knight
07-13-2005, 04:49 PM
Well,we don't know Magneto's real name.After the death of his daughter in a fire that destroy his house and the massacre of some humans who attack him because of his power,Magneto change his name in order to hide from the KGB and continue to search for Magda.Even now we don't know his true name.

I think it is just Magnus. I mean if it were some other name, wouldn't Xavier refer to him by that? Then again, the Exiles version of Magnus is his son. So I think it is really Erik Magnus Lensherr. Or even Magnus Lensherr.

Asian Knight
07-13-2005, 04:52 PM
Ok, I understand. But Magnus is not a real name, right? It might be a real first name, or a real last name, but as it is, it feels a little incomplete. What is it? Erik Magnus? Magnus Lensherr? Magnus Magnus? Or something else entirely?

Again, why is it so hard for Claremont and all the other X-writers to give proper names to their characters? Why did we have to wait 15 years to learn Bishop's first name? "Hey man, you're like a brother to me, we've lived in the same house for years, we've saved each other's lives many times. What's your first name, again?". It doesn't make sense.

Can you imagine that in movies? "My name is Bond... and er... leave it at that, just call me 'Bond'".

Actually people would just call him "Mr. Bond" What name did he use under his Erik the Red guise?

The Mirrorball Man
07-13-2005, 04:57 PM
Actually people would just call him "Mr. Bond" What name did he use under his Erik the Red guise?
Hmmm... James Bond is one of the only characters who never assumed the identity of Erik the Red, so I'm assuming that you're talking about Magneto. Well, when Magneto posed as Erik the Red, he used the name "Erik the Red".

DDM
07-13-2005, 05:35 PM
Actually people would just call him "Mr. Bond" What name did he use under his Erik the Red guise?

Erik the Red I: Cyclops
Erik the Red II: Davan Shakari
Erik the Red III: Magneto

Erik Lehnsherr
07-13-2005, 06:06 PM
I think it's "Lensherr", actually.

My screename is how it's spelled and how Claremont perceives it.

The Mirrorball Man
07-13-2005, 06:09 PM
My screename is how it's spelled and how Claremont perceives it.
That's so cool.

Erik Lehnsherr
07-13-2005, 06:11 PM
That's so cool.

I know. But right now his name is Lord Magnus. I can get used to that too. :evilsmile

thik_3rd
07-13-2005, 09:20 PM
they shoulda never got rid of the erik lensher name. whatever hack was writing uncanny got rid of that during that magneto war nonsense. either kelly or seagle, i get the two confused.

streator
07-14-2005, 08:02 AM
they shoulda never got rid of the erik lensher name. whatever hack was writing uncanny got rid of that during that magneto war nonsense. either kelly or seagle, i get the two confused.
it happened in x-men. it was kelly. i dont think he is a hack, personally.

sir_snikt'alot
07-14-2005, 08:37 AM
Thank you, I didn't know that...

...But it made me think (always a dangerous thing): isn't it slightly ridiculous to add another layer of confusing and convoluted continuity to this character, just to get rid of the "Erik Lensherr" identity, an identity which was used in the X-Men movies, and thus had acquired a greater visibility in the general public and in fanboy circles? What's wrong with "Erik Lensherr"? And why is it so hard for Marvel mutants (Rogue, Bishop, etc.) to get civilian names and stick with them?

That being said, I was puzzled in the X-Men movies, when everybody pronounced Magneto's named "lane-sure". The German spelling always led me to pronounce it "lance-hair".

bishop's name is lucas bishop isnt it?

rogue doesnt have a name because she might of forgot it,so she called herself rogue.

The Mirrorball Man
07-14-2005, 08:46 AM
bishop's name is lucas bishop isnt it?
Bishop first appeared in 1991, and the first name "Lucas" has been added in 2001. Isn't it a bit odd, waiting ten years to reveal something as simple as a first name? ;)

rogue doesnt have a name because she might of forgot it,so she called herself rogue.
Sorry I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here.

sir_snikt'alot
07-14-2005, 08:49 AM
Bishop first appeared in 1991, and the first name "Lucas" has been added in 2001. Isn't it a bit odd, waiting ten years to reveal something as simple as a first name? ;)


Sorry I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here.

well to my knowledge rogue has no real name,she either forgot it or just got rid of it,or does she have a real name and i just havnt heard it?

The Mirrorball Man
07-14-2005, 08:54 AM
well to my knowledge rogue has no real name,she either forgot it or just got rid of it,or does she have a real name and i just havnt heard it?
She's called Anna Marie. Another late addition to the X-canon. Wouldn't it be much simpler to name the characters when they first appear, instead of doing it ten or twenty years later?

sir_snikt'alot
07-14-2005, 09:01 AM
She's called Anna Marie. Another late addition to the X-canon. Wouldn't it be much simpler to name the characters when they first appear, instead of doing it ten or twenty years later?

well generally the gimmick and the super name comes first,everything else comes later.

lucky for some that the gimmick can be used as a name ie mr freeze,victor frieze.

The Mirrorball Man
07-14-2005, 09:08 AM
well generally the gimmick and the super name comes first,everything else comes later.

lucky for some that the gimmick can be used as a name ie mr freeze,victor frieze.
Come on! You know it's not true! Superman was Clark Kent from the very beginning, Spider-Man was Peter Parker from the very beginning. I'm not asking comic book creators to write a whole biography about each and every new character they create. I just think they should give them a name. A name. How much more basic can it be?

sir_snikt'alot
07-14-2005, 09:11 AM
Come on! You know it's not true! Superman was Clark Kent from the very beginning, Spider-Man was Peter Parker from the very beginning. I'm not asking comic book creators to write a whole biography about each and every new character they create. I just think they should give them a name. A name. How much more basic can it be?

sometimes characters dont need them,nobody knew logan was james howlet till recently,sometimes its better to leave it as a mystery,but yeah sometimes its just lazyness by trying to ship a new character out without any content.