MORE POLLS !! Who Should Chris Claremont be Replaced By ?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I can see that theres a lotta negative feelings floating about Claremont. Some say his work Isn't as good now and they feel he should be booted.

Now some ( I think he's done an OK Job) feel he's doing fine and should be allowed to tell his massive 26 Issue story plan that he has In the works. As a fan If Marvel replaced Chris at 475# , who should get the book ?


The listed options are above and I'll reveal my vote after some hard thinking...

[Beast]

Nothing good can come of this.

Honestly my friend, this thread is only going to lead to flaming. It also will end up inevitably breaking the no comparison rule. And then it won't be long before it's closed. This debate just happened recently, did we need another rehash of it? It's beating a dead horse.

[The Lucky One]

Yes, this'll go over about as well as a "Who should Whedon be replaced by?" poll. Or a fart in church. Beast's right, man, it's just going to piss people off. And frankly, on this board at least, there really aren't a whole lot of people who want Claremont gone.

EDIT: Plus you didn't even include Kurt Busiek or Peter David. Not even, man. Not even. Geoff Johns could take over X-Men if we got Flash Geoff or JSA Geoff, but not Teen Titans Geoff (maybe if it didn't suffer in comparison to Young Justice, but...)

-D

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its a Poll.....They can say what writer they want and not start " CLAREMONT IS GOD & HOW DARE YOU!!" on here. Its a poll with 10 options of which writers they could chose from....hope no one starts a flamewar. ;)

[Huzzah!]

All those writers listed would write terrible X-men, and hey some have.


gail simone or adam warren or chris priest or dan slott would write good x-men.

So one of them.


I have to be honest, i love me some claremont, but i wouldnt mind him going for Gail Simone.

Hell team her up with Adam Warren

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yes, this'll go over about as well as a "Who should Whedon be replaced by?" poll. Or a fart in church.

EDIT: Plus you didn't even include Kurt Busiek or Peter David. Not even, man. Not even.

-D

I wanted to toss other names at the book. I know David and Busiak have done work. And I sadly forgot Kurt Busiak . I only had 10 options ! ;)

[Beast]

Who cares if it's a poll? Why bother discussing this again, aka beating a dead horse. We just went through this a couple weeks ago. And even worse when the false rumors were circulating a month or so ago. It's a redundant thread. And there are a lot more than 10 choices for decent writers out there. Not to mention not leaving an option for 'Claremont Stays'.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

All those writers listed would write terrible X-men, and hey some have.


gail simone or adam warren or chris priest or dan slott would write good x-men.

So one of them.


I have to be honest, i love me some claremont, but i wouldnt mind him going for Gail Simone.

Hell team her up with Adam Warren


I was going to put Gail's name here but most of us already said her and I wanted to see how people felt about James Robinson or Geoff Johns. As well as Brad Meltzer. I'd pick up a Meltzer run on Uncanny....guy wrote a very human JLA In Identity Crisis.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Why discuss it again. We just went through this a couple weeks ago. It's a redundant thread. And there are a lot more than 10 choices for decent writers out there. Not to mention not leaving an option for 'Claremont Stays'.


Again I only had 10 choices and this Is a " Who gets to Replace..." Its a make believe thread. It holds no basis If Claremont stays or goes. I just want to see who most everyone would pick from this list.

Other names on here I debated was ...Marv Wolfman,Roger Stern, Gail Simone , Christopher Priest, Scott Lobell, Todd McFarlane...... I nearly put Roger Stern In Judd Winick's place but stuck with some current creators In all. ( Love to see a Roger Stern , X-Men run though.)

[Frank]

Gail has been average so far by what i`ve seen of her stuff.

I choose Mark Waid deffinitly. Waid on X-Men then and now would be a very different thing(heck Waid on the Avengers Crossing was bad but Waid on Avengers now would rule).

It`s amazing what Waid did on Fantastic Four and his stellar run on Flash. What I like about him is that even though he still is a traditional fun super-hero writer, when he comes on board he always does something fresh and unexpected with what he`s got. And for the love of GOD that`s what Uncanny X-Men need! CC is way too close to "his" characters now. And I would bring Howard Porter to draw this run.

And for a more mature, more offbeat book I would replace Milligan by James Robinson.

[Beast]

Why should 'anyone' get to 'replace' CC. His book is selling in the Top 10. A lot of the critics are just due to the fact it's Claremont, who some feel is to old to write the book well. Which I don't see at all, after reading his classic stuff. As for sales, Uncanny was number 8 during may, when DC held most of the top 10. CC isn't late with deadlines like most of the 'big writers', and he writes more than one book a month, one of which is 18 times a year. A better question is who 'deserves a shot at a core book'. Which is another thread we just had.

[Huzzah!]

Waid made Doom a bit too cartoonish apparently. I never read fantastic four but if DOom was even slightly morally ambigious, which im led to believe, and waid simply made him a bad guy.

I would hate to see X-men characters go through that because almost all of them are shades of grey

[Brian M.]

If your going to replace him, if you have to replace him, I say use Vaughn from Ultimate, his dialogue is good, he knows his characters and he brings fresh ideas to the book. I like Claremont's book though and look forward to it.

What I'd like to see is Stan Lee come back to Marvel and do a book, FF or Uncanny or Spider-Man.

[Beast]

If your going to replace him, if you have to replace him, I say use Vaughn from Ultimate, his dialogue is good, he knows his characters and he brings fresh ideas to the book. I like Claremont's book though and look forward to it.

What I'd like to see is Stan Lee come back to Marvel and do a book, FF or Uncanny or Spider-Man.
Brian K. Vaugan and Tony Bedard both deserve a shot at a big book. Maybe one of them can take over Astonishing when Whedon leaves. I don't want anyone removed from their books to give them a shot, but when the time comes they would be my top choices for to take the position.

As for Stan Lee, I don't think I'd really trust him on a core book. Hell, back when he was doing the characters originally there's some really odd stories. Like Scott's nickname of Slim, it was due to Stan forgetting what he named the character. Same with Jean's powers being inconsistant, due to a minor fudge up by Stan the Man. :)

[The Shadow]

Mark Waid is (IMO) the best writer in the biz... he'd be my personal choice!

I'd also love to see Gail tackle an X book. Give her an all female cast and watch out!)

[Frank]

Waid made Doom a bit too cartoonish apparently. I never read fantastic four but if DOom was even slightly morally ambigious, which im led to believe, and waid simply made him a bad guy.

I would hate to see X-men characters go through that because almost all of them are shades of grey

You didn`t read his FF so your judgment doesn`t holds up. If there was anything cartoony it was the artwork by Wieringo, not the writing. Then again Waid doesn`t write all his characters the same way.

[Huzzah!]

No i read his run, sorry for the confusion (well most of, i went over to MK4 when that came out because it was so muc hbetter), but not beforehand.

Im not sure if he was that twirl mustache evil outside the run, but i heard complaints

[Frank]

But like I said Waid does not write characters the same way twice so it doesn`t mean his Magneto would be like his Doom.

[Huzzah!]

Yeah but the notion someone could simplify dramatic in depth characters that much fills me with apprehension

[Frank]

Don`t worry though, the good of Waid writing the X-Men would outweight the bad. :D

[Huzzah!]

Didnt he put Captain America in his iron man suit?

[jetter_cheeze]

Out of the options presented, Johns. I could see his X-work as trying to unite the X-titles and trying to get a sense of continuity to it like his DC work is.

He can write good superheroics and when he unites the other writers under one X-banner it would work great.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Didnt he put Captain America in his iron man suit?


No that was the late , Mark Gruenwald who wrote his last big story-arc as that. Cap's super solider formula was breaking down . The arc ran from 425#-443#. Most of It was called " Fighting Chance ". Waid came In and fixed It all and had an Incredible run from 444#-454# that was sadly broken due to the hell that was " Heroes Reborn."

[jj9126]

I don't think Claremont's going anywhere.

Besides - you missed the most obvious choice anyway: Greg Pakk.

The guy wrote two fantastic issues of Phoenix Endsong...and then he had to go and keep writing more...

[Jack Flash]

This Poll is just as valid as the "Let's can Milligan" poll that SuperECW did a couple of weeks ago and since it wasn't trashed, I say this one has a right to be here as well.

I'd love to see Priest or Simone write the X-men. I vote Christopher Priest!

[BurritoBandito]

Gotta go with Gail Simone here too.

[Disintegrating Clone]

Just has to be Gail Simone

[Ryan K]

If Claremont gets replaced I say we just cancel all existence and be done with it.

[Steven F.]

If Claremont gets replaced I say we just cancel all existence and be done with it.

I agree with you on that

[jarrod]

The real question is who should Milligan be replaced by? Both Claremont and Whedon have enough zealous fanboys to keep them going, but Milligan seems have left everyone down almost.

[Mister Mets]

For the record, I do believe Chris Claremont should leave Uncanny X-Men, as his presence on the book is costing the a-list title readers (I don't think he should be fired from all Marvel books, as he does have a lot of fans.)

Mark Waid- His Fantastic Four run was exceptional, and Legions of Superheroes is close, but I don't know if he's
Joe Kelly- Has he written anything really great since Action Comics #775?
Warren Ellis- Probably the best writer on this list, but I don't know how excited he'd be about having a core X-Men book. He'd view it as a payday, and little more, I'm afraid. I'd still buy the book.
Brad Meltzer- He may be good for a 6-7 issue run, but not much else. I think he's also more a DC fanboy.
Geoff Johns- I didn't like hisAvengers run all that much, so I don't know if he'd be good.
James Robinson- Loved Golden Age, but haven't read anything else by him, aside from the first JSA arc.
Steven Seagle- He had his shot, and doesn't seem to want to tell any more X stories (from It's a Bird)
Fabian Niz- He strikes me as a solid writer, but not good enough for something this high profile.
Judd Winick- He is the most wildly inconsistent writer ever, and seems very much involved in the MU, so no.

I voted Bryan Vaughn who has consistently impressed me with Ultimate X-Men, Runaways, Y The Last Man, and Ex Machina, which prove he could write superhero stories, X-Men stories, teenagers, team books, action stories, political stories, and excellent characters.

[Tony Bang]

I voted for Robinson. He proved he could handle a large cast in The Golden Age, and did 80 excellent issues of Starman.

I do though wish Casey would get another run. His first wasn't that good, but he's one of best writers in the biz.

[Beast]

For the record, I do believe Chris Claremont should leave Uncanny X-Men, as his presence on the book is costing the a-list title readers (I don't think he should be fired from all Marvel books, as he does have a lot of fans.)
Costing it readers? As a Top 10 selling book? Ok, if you say so. But the numbers don't jive with what you're saying. The only books selling better are ones that are hyped by Marvel more, or feature 'Hollywood' talent.

[Titan Slade]

I should replace him. I have some great Ideas for Uncanny X-Men. Some of them being, introducing a new character to the team code named Prowl(his birth name is Jacob "Jake" Creed), who is the bast@rd son of Sabretooth, but ole Sabes has no idea he exists yet, that is. I will have James Proudstar finally join the team in honor of his dead brother John, and going by his brother's code name Thunderbird. Sabretooth is leading a new pack of Marauders, on a violent mutant killing spree, and the Uncanny team is going to try to take them out of action. And will Sabretooth believe Prowl when he tells him the truth of his origin? And all this happens in the first 4 issues of my run. So vote Titan Slade as the new Uncany X-Men writer.

[Huzzah!]

I would have Wolverine be the father of sabretooth and invert the common plot thread that the son has to beat the father.

Vote Huzzah!


And if Scarlet Witch was on the team.......... :D

[The Lucky One]

I should replace him. I have some great Ideas for Uncanny X-Men. Some of them being, introducing a new character to the team code named Prowl

But wouldn't Thundercats fans get pissed?

-D

[Titan Slade]

But wouldn't Thundercats fans get pissed?

-D

There is not a Thundercat named Prowl as far as I know, but there is a Transformer named Prowl. And I don't care, because Sabretooth's son goes by the code name Prowl as well ;) .

[The Lucky One]

Oh, yeah... I'm thinking of Panthro. Damn, now I gotta go into 80s exile...

-D

[Keith_Martineau]

I'd love Gail Simone.
Most of the names on the list have either already had a shot, or suffer from this problem.
Most of them are extremely silver age oriented. John's, Robinson, Waid, so on and so forth, very silver age.
But if you do a silver age riff on X-Men, you are just riffing on Chris Claremont. Whedon is kind of doing that right now. Morrison reheated some of those old ideas in the microwave and served'm up hot with his run, but like some things out of the microwave, it just wasn't as tasty, even though it WAS good.
If yer gonna replace him with one of those writers, I honestly think you shouldn't replace him at all. If you are going to replace him, it should be for a truly new spin and direction.
And to be perfectly honest, there isn't a name that comes to mind that can do that right now.
I love Gail Simone, and she would do a great job, but it wouldn't nessesarily be new, just utterly completely solid and entertaining (just like Whedon.) BKV is doing just fine on Ultimate X-Men, why bother with a core title? Thats semi-redundant already. Greg Pak did good with Phoenix Engsong, but there is no evidence yet that he can do an ongoing series.

Unless you are going to go truly new and bold direction, I say leave it as is.

[fishtaco]

If Claremont gets replaced I say we just cancel all existence and be done with it.Thats what I was going to say.

The X-men franchise without Chris Claremont somewhere on it sucks period. Even if he is on it, it can still suck, like now.

[Shadow Crawler]

Winnick would only make it worse. He's been really terrible lately. I think Johns is a great writer, but I just don't know how I'd feel about him on Uncanny X-Men. Fabian is also a great writer, but I like him right where he's at. Some of the others could also be decent, but Gail, Ellis, or Vaughan are who I would really like to see.

[DDM]

Chris Claremont should be replaced by an alternate Chris Claremont from another Earth.

[Beast]

Chris Claremont should be replaced by an alternate Chris Claremont from another Earth.
Can we get him from an earth where time runs slower? A younger Chris Claremont would be a godsend. :)

[fishtaco]

haha. Rachel should timejump back to 1980, clone Claremont, and bring him here to write. She cant just take the original Claremont, because then none of the good stuff would have happened :p

And besides, Mojo turned Chris's head into a baby's in Uncanny X-men annual 12. :p

[crystalline green]

Mark Waid is (IMO) the best writer in the biz... he'd be my personal choice!

I'd also love to see Gail tackle an X book. Give her an all female cast and watch out!)

Agreed. I would very much love to see Storm in Gail's capable hands. :D

[Cayman]

I suppose the only one I'd want to see from this list is Vaughan. Ellis is cool, but I don't think he'd like working on the title. I'd rather have a writer that is having fun doing the book. I have no real desire to see Claremont replaced though. He should probably always have an X title to write.

Cay

[thik_3rd]

on that list i'd be happy with waid, johns, winnick, nicieza or vaughan...

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Um he shouldn't be replaced at all and especially not by any of them.

Why not pick any former X-Writers???

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm gonna go ahead and pick Johns. Yes he's never handled the X-Universe but thats a plus. He can approach It In a way and perhaps give the X-Men Rogues new looks and rehash thier objectives! Look at what he's done for JSA & Flash ! Each rogue has a motivation and seems really different.

I'd love to see Marvel hand him any X Title and go: " Ok Its yours, do with It what you wish and by the way....we got Kolins for art ! " :D

[Titan Slade]

we got Kolins for art ! " [/I] :D

Stop right there. Let's not talk silly now. We were already got rid of Kordey and Garney, let's not bring in their equal in Kolins.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Stop right there. Let's not talk silly now. We were already got rid of Kordey and Garney, let's not bring in their equal in Kolins.


Saying Kolins draws like Garney Is a leap. Guys drew a pretty good Flash In his run as well as the Rogues.

[Babylon23]

I don't think Claremont should ever be replaced. Uncanny at the moment is the best it's been in years.

If he were to leave, however, i'd like to see Louise Simonson or Ann Nocenti take over. From the list, i'd go with Johns, Nicienza or Vaughan.

[metr0man]

interesting choice of writers there. I'd like to see Mark Waid or Brad Meltzer.

[fishtaco]

I don't think Claremont should ever be replaced. Uncanny at the moment is the best it's been in years.

If he were to leave, however, i'd like to see Louise Simonson or Ann Nocenti take over. From the list, i'd go with Johns, Nicienza or Vaughan.Ann Nocenti shall be made to write a 500-issue Longshot series for the next 45 years. Atleast thats what I want. ;)

[thik_3rd]

Stop right there. Let's not talk silly now. We were already got rid of Kordey and Garney, let's not bring in their equal in Kolins.
kolins is one of the best out, and garney is dope too (he's fallen off though).

[thik_3rd]

i gotta add that whoever replaces him needs to do it fast.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Stop right there. Let's not talk silly now. We were already got rid of Kordey and Garney, let's not bring in their equal in Kolins.

I know i'm all alone... but i really liked Kordey when he had a good inker. Scott Hanna did not do him justice.

And i'm blown away every month in MTU with Kolins...

[Bishop_Proudstar]

I dont' why these whiners are so resentful of Claremont's legacy...

It's like a sick jealousy..

There are only so many writers in the industry...

They'll never mention any candidates..

I just think that the "Anti-Claremont Gang" were just tired of hearing about Claremont's work during the 1990's.

I've talked to people like this.. They are usually "the expert" who is the cashier at the comic book shops. Even their ideas are built on top of Claremont's subplots (except every character dies after 12 issues). It ridiculous! These "experts" really hurt the perception of the industry because they are really frustrated wannebe comic book creators (who couldn't break into the business)..

Then, it just grew to be some fad to spit flames on the guy who built the most successful comic book in the last 30 years.

[Babylon23]

Ann Nocenti shall be made to write a 500-issue Longshot series for the next 45 years. Atleast thats what I want. ;)

Hey, throw in Art Adams and I'm there :)

[chicainery]

an option for 'Claremont Stays'.

That would be my pick.

[Brian M.]

I love Claremont on this title.

That being said I wouldn't mind having Lobdell, Nicieza or Vaughan. I liked Mark Waid's stint but it was short so I'm kinda iffy on that on. Some of the DC people mention'd would be cool. My number one choice for Uncanny's next writer would be Vaughan but like I said I like Claremont back on Uncanny.