Mihawk vs Samurai Jack

[CDTM]

Assume Mihawks sword won't break for the fight.

Who wins?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Jack.

Duh.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Impossible to tell, as the only feats we have for Mihawk are that he casually slices apart galleons, decimates the entire fleet of the second strongest pirate in the East Blue just cause he was bored, came a hair's breadth from slaughtering pre-Grand Line Zoro with a blade the size of his thumb, casually deflects bullets, doesn't think he can defeat Shanks and is the acknowledged strongest swordsman in One Piece.

OTOH, if current Zoro is considered a good match for Jack, then Mihawk is probably at least as fair a match.

[yeoman]

Impossible to tell, as the only feats we have for Mihawk are that he casually slices apart galleons, decimates the entire fleet of the second strongest pirate in the East Blue just cause he was bored, came a hair's breadth from slaughtering pre-Grand Line Zoro with a blade the size of his thumb, casually deflects bullets, doesn't think he can defeat Shanks and is the acknowledged strongest swordsman in One Piece.

OTOH, if current Zoro is considered a good match for Jack, then Mihawk is probably at least as fair a match.


Actually, I thought it was decided that current Zoro has enough high end stuff to take Jack.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Actually, I thought it was decided that current Zoro has enough high end stuff to take Jack.Well, my ability to get on the board is sporadic of late.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Jack.

Duh.
When has Jack casually sliced apart galleons and fought off a very experienced swordsman with just a knife? Chaos, although you don't like the series, I would expect you to do the research.

[CDTM]

When has Jack casually sliced apart galleons and fought off a very experienced swordsman with just a knife?


Well, he did beat robots with a stick. Never seen him cut apart something as large as a galleon though, as clean and neatly and instantly as Mihawk did.

[master of read]

i'm one of the biggest jack fans ever but mihawk is a little beyond his skill level.

[Xombie]

How fast is Mihawk?

[The Drunkard Kid]

How fast is Mihawk?Hard to say as he moved about 3 feet in his entire fight with Zoro. He was able to casually block pre-Grand Line Zoro's full out 3 sword barrage with just one tiny dagger and draw and deflect a sword as tall as he was with one arm after a bullet was fired at him with the barest amount of attention at it.

[The Real Nemo]

Assume Mihawks sword won't break for the fight.

Who wins?
Considering it's the finest sword in the One Piece world I think that's a fair assumption...

Jack.

Duh.
Based on what?

Hard to say as he moved about 3 feet in his entire fight with Zoro. He was able to casually block pre-Grand Line Zoro's full out 3 sword barrage with just one tiny dagger and draw and deflect a sword as tall as he was with one arm after a bullet was fired at him with the barest amount of attention at it.
The anime version had them moving more, and gave Mihawk the speed feat of seeming to teleport from his raft out in the sea a ways up onto the ship.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Zoro is considered to be a level or two above Jack.
IMO Mihawk is still beyond Zoro.
Mihawk beats down Jack easily.

[Lord Foul]

To be honest I have never heard of anyone claim Zoro was even anywhere close to Jack that early on in the series. So I straight up Zoro Jack comparison is not valid until Mihawk and Zoro meet again.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

To be honest I have never heard of anyone claim Zoro was even anywhere close to Jack that early on in the series. So I straight up Zoro Jack comparison is not valid until Mihawk and Zoro meet again.

To be honest, Zoro is very pathetic IMHO when compared to other anime swordsmen from what I've seen thus far.

He had to struggle to move a cannon for crissakes!

Not to mention the Captain Kuro fight was ridiculously different from what posters claimed it was.

MIhawk was however just ridiculous as a character from my point of view. And since Zoro wasnt' a match for Jack at the time MIhawk showed up(not even close IMHO), using this convoluted ABC logic doesn't work :)

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

To be honest, Zoro is very pathetic IMHO when compared to other anime swordsmen from what I've seen thus far.

He had to struggle to move a cannon for crissakes!

Not to mention the Captain Kuro fight was ridiculously different from what posters claimed it was.

MIhawk was however just ridiculous as a character from my point of view. And since Zoro wasnt' a match for Jack at the time MIhawk showed up(not even close IMHO), using this convoluted ABC logic doesn't work :)
Zoro is actually a match for Jack now, cutting down buildings makes him a better swordsman now. Also, Mihawk casually destroyed a fleet of Pirate Ships, using just his blade, cutting galleons in half.

[Lord Foul]

He does get better and I think Zoro is pretty badass, but the mihawk fight is only like 30 or so episodes into the series.

[Hiromi]

To be honest, Zoro is very pathetic IMHO when compared to other anime swordsmen from what I've seen thus far.

He had to struggle to move a cannon for crissakes!

Not to mention the Captain Kuro fight was ridiculously different from what posters claimed it was.

MIhawk was however just ridiculous as a character from my point of view. And since Zoro wasnt' a match for Jack at the time MIhawk showed up(not even close IMHO), using this convoluted ABC logic doesn't work :)


thing is Zoro is far far beyond where he was before the Grend Line, he adopted an insane training schedual in response to losing to Mihawk. Which is why now he's able to lift entire buildings and stuff. And Mihawk's almost normal compared to some of the more outlandish one Piece characters.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Ah, so the series became extremely dull as it adopted the DBZ style of storytelling.

"I can move a building" "I can move TWO buildings, HAHA!" "HAH! I can move THREE buildings!"

"Oh on! I need to learn how to move buildings!"

*Yawwwns*

And people wonder why I say Shonen Jump has lost its charm.

[G_Man]

Ah, so the series became extremely dull as it adopted the DBZ style of storytelling.

"I can move a building" "I can move TWO buildings, HAHA!" "HAH! I can move THREE buildings!"

"Oh on! I need to learn how to move buildings!"

*Yawwwns*

And people wonder why I say Shonen Jump has lost its charm.

No, CBF, people don't wonder, because very few of us actually care. Sorry for the snideness but we are not here to argue the merits of OP as entertainment (which seems to inevitably become an issue when you are in a debate featuring a series you don't like) but to argue Mihawk's chances against Samurai Jack.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

G, my point is more like this massive powerscale building is much like "How Pre Crisis Superman went from leaping quarter miles and lifting cars to flying to the ends of the universe and juggling planets".

Just because your guy's visually stronger doesn't make it a better story, but all these new series it seems like "Stronger! Stronger!" is the emphasis.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

G, my point is more like this massive powerscale building is much like "How Pre Crisis Superman went from leaping quarter miles and lifting cars to flying to the ends of the universe and juggling planets".

Just because your guy's visually stronger doesn't make it a better story, but all these new series it seems like "Stronger! Stronger!" is the emphasis.
Isn't that what we are trying to argue here though?

[literally exaggerated]

I agree with CBF, its why I've long since stopped caring about Naruto, Bleach, etc. and why I got utterly fed up with DBZ.

[CDTM]

Ah, so the series became extremely dull as it adopted the DBZ style of storytelling.

"I can move a building" "I can move TWO buildings, HAHA!" "HAH! I can move THREE buildings!"

"Oh on! I need to learn how to move buildings!"

*Yawwwns*

And people wonder why I say Shonen Jump has lost its charm.

Yeah, that is pretty boring.

For me, the charm of DBZ wasn't it's constant rising power levels anyways, but it's really good choreography, laced around a simple yet effective story.

I mean, I've looked at Naruto fight scenes, Ranma fights, and even the occasional Kenshin fight, and scratched my head trying to figure out exactly what's going on. Toriyama had a knack for keeping it really simple, so a kid could figure out what the score was, but kept it varied enough so as not to be boring...

[G_Man]

Isn't that what we are trying to argue here though?

No, we are trying to argue who would win in a fight between Mihawk and Jack. CBf tends to take these oppurtunities to complain about series he can't stand in they are involved in said fight. You hate OP? Fine. We are aware of this fact.

[The Real Nemo]

To be honest, Zoro is very pathetic IMHO when compared to other anime swordsmen from what I've seen thus far.

He had to struggle to move a cannon for crissakes!

Not to mention the Captain Kuro fight was ridiculously different from what posters claimed it was.

MIhawk was however just ridiculous as a character from my point of view. And since Zoro wasnt' a match for Jack at the time MIhawk showed up(not even close IMHO), using this convoluted ABC logic doesn't work :)
This still doesn't explain *your* logic for saying Jack would win against Mihawk though...

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Jack most likely could beat Zoro with a piece of wood.

So using "Mihawk owned Zoro with a butter knife" doesn't mean much. Because from what I saw, Jack could do the same thing with a piece of wood.

In fact, I dare say Sa-Mor-Ai was more impressive than Zoro, and the dude had a plastic body suit and a beer gut.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Jack most likely could beat Zoro with a piece of wood.

So using "Mihawk owned Zoro with a butter knife" doesn't mean much. Because from what I saw, Jack could do the same thing with a piece of wood.

In fact, I dare say Sa-Mor-Ai was more impressive than Zoro, and the dude had a plastic body suit and a beer gut.
When has Jack cut a galleon in half? I think that puts Mihawk above Jack.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Jack's fought people able to cause wide arcs of damage(Blind archers, Cronos, Mondobot).

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Jack's fought people able to cause wide arcs of damage(Blind archers, Cronos, Mondobot).
Mihawk owned a pre-retrained Zoro with a freaken knife, blocked the three swords style and etc with ease. We learned from that Pirate captain, who owned that huge fleet of ships, that Mihawk destroyed them all casually with his blade, and he even blocked a bullet without looking at the guy who shot him.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Pre-retrained Zoro's a wimp that had to exhert all his strength to rotate a cannon.

Jack could've beaten Zoro around with a piece of wood going by their feats.

Also, Blind Archers, Cronos fight, etc etc etc.

Jack beat up 3 archers that destroyed entire armies in minutes.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Pre-retrained Zoro's a wimp that had to exhert all his strength to rotate a cannon.

Jack could've beaten Zoro around with a piece of wood going by their feats.

Also, Blind Archers, Cronos fight, etc etc etc.

Jack beat up 3 archers that destroyed entire armies in minutes.
Mihawk defeated an entire armada with just a swing of his sword. I wouldn't doubt that he is fast enough to block Jack's attacks either.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

if this is really true(which I doubt because the scene wasn't as you described) then how can you not see how the entire purpose of the OP series to go say "Stronger=cooler"?

[CDTM]

if this is really true(which I doubt because the scene wasn't as you described) then how can you not see how the entire purpose of the OP series to go say "Stronger=cooler"?

It wasn't a single stroke to take out a fleet, but more a single stroke per ship.

Still petty impressive as an early feat, considering how big those things are and how nearly they cleaved in two, top to bottom.

[The Real Nemo]

It wasn't a single stroke to take out a fleet, but more a single stroke per ship.

Still petty impressive as an early feat, considering how big those things are and how nearly they cleaved in two, top to bottom.
Not to mention casually deflecting bullets with just a gentle sword rotation...

[The Drunkard Kid]

Pre-retrained Zoro's a wimp that had to exhert all his strength to rotate a cannon.Actually, that (like Kenshin vs. the Gatling Gun) is both Spider-Man vs. Firelord and mitigated by the circumstance. He and Luffy were always depicted as nearly equal in terms of physical stats and pre-Grand Line Luffy basically laughed off being smacked by people that one shot houses AND, IIRC, Zoro was still recovering from being stabbed by Buggy's sneak attack.

Heck, despite their ludicrous amounts of strength, Zoro couldn't cut metal until he learned how to sense the breath of metal (and, except for when Luffy crushed Arlong's blade with his bare hand, neither could he as evidenced by his inability to break out of the cage – although oddly enough, it was broken apart by a lion that was depicted as being a lot weaker than Luffy was). In the Arlong Arc (which took place about a few days after the fight against Mihawk and in which Zoro was still barely starting to heal from his nearly fatal wound) Luffy was able to trade even blows with someone who flipped all the houses in a village, chuck sea monsters that dwarfed his ship and shatter a giant palace with his Gum Gum Ax move. Sanji was able to casually kick around said sea monster as well and Zoro was trashing an Octopus Merman who used six swords which weighed multiple hundred kilograms each and who ripped out ship sized boulders with relative ease.

As for durability, in the Kuro arc, Zoro took direct hits from a strongman that was hypnotized into even more ludicrous levels of strength (ala Jin-E) being that shattered cliff faces with ease. Other feats are hard to find for that period as, other than against Kuro's crew and Mihawk, it wasn't until Whiskey Island and Alabasta that Zoro went into a real fight without a major wound already inflicted on his person.

[Hiromi]

Of course what CBF is so conviently leaving out about the the canon hoisting feet is that it came after Zoro had been stabbed through the flank, through as in it left a decent sized exit wound. He was also able to lift the Iron Cage on his shoudler, the cage that had taken three men to bring out before Luffy's weight was added to it. All this happened while his guts were squirting out on the ground. And he was fighting again within hours. Real wimpish right there.

And we never saw Zoro try and cut through steel before the Alabaster Arc, it may have been he was worried about the damage and strain it'd cause the swords. And I fail to see how someone's dislike over a paticular universe's power structure has any bearing whatsoeveron the outcome of a rumbles match, so why its being brought up here instead of the big ol One Piece thread in the anime section is a ponderable to me.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Here's the deal: I'll keep off the threads about One Piece from now on, alright? I just stated why I think Mihawk's no match for Jack. I really didn't try to memorize the fights in One Piece because they weren't very memorable.

Alright?

Bye.

[Hiromi]

As for durability, in the Kuro arc, Zoro took direct hits from a strongman that was hypnotized into even more ludicrous levels of strength (ala Jin-E) being that shattered cliff faces with ease. Other feats are hard to find for that period as, other than against Kuro's crew and Mihawk, it wasn't until Whiskey Island and Alabasta that Zoro went into a real fight without a major wound already inflicted on his person.

/nitpick, Zoro never took a hit from Buchie, the only damage he took during that fight was a result of stepping in front of an attack by Ussop while fighting both the Nyban(I just know I'm misspelling things left and right here :/) Brothers and only had one sword.

[The Drunkard Kid]

/nitpick, Zoro never took a hit from Buchie, the only damage he took during that fight was a result of stepping in front of an attack by Ussop while fighting both the Nyban(I just know I'm misspelling things left and right here :/) Brothers and only had one sword.I must have misremembered that scene. OTOH, I did just recall that the cliff busting was done by a random pirate that had been hypnotized. Presumably, Buchie was much stronger than that.

[Dynamo]

Actually, that (like Kenshin vs. the Gatling Gun) is both Spider-Man vs. Firelord and mitigated by the circumstance. He and Luffy were always depicted as nearly equal in terms of physical stats and pre-Grand Line Luffy basically laughed off being smacked by people that one shot houses AND, IIRC, Zoro was still recovering from being stabbed by Buggy's sneak attack.

Heck, despite their ludicrous amounts of strength, Zoro couldn't cut metal until he learned how to sense the breath of metal (and, except for when Luffy crushed Arlong's blade with his bare hand, neither could he as evidenced by his inability to break out of the cage – although oddly enough, it was broken apart by a lion that was depicted as being a lot weaker than Luffy was). In the Arlong Arc (which took place about a few days after the fight against Mihawk and in which Zoro was still barely starting to heal from his nearly fatal wound) Luffy was able to trade even blows with someone who flipped all the houses in a village, chuck sea monsters that dwarfed his ship and shatter a giant palace with his Gum Gum Ax move. Sanji was able to casually kick around said sea monster as well and Zoro was trashing an Octopus Merman who used six swords which weighed multiple hundred kilograms each and who ripped out ship sized boulders with relative ease.

As for durability, in the Kuro arc, Zoro took direct hits from a strongman that was hypnotized into even more ludicrous levels of strength (ala Jin-E) being that shattered cliff faces with ease. Other feats are hard to find for that period as, other than against Kuro's crew and Mihawk, it wasn't until Whiskey Island and Alabasta that Zoro went into a real fight without a major wound already inflicted on his person.

I'd think the fact that he took a full-on, unblocked hit from Mihawk and lived says enough for his durability.

[The Drunkard Kid]

I'd think the fact that he took a full-on, unblocked hit from Mihawk and lived says enough for his durability.I'm pretty sure that Mihawk said that he held back because he was intrigued by Zoro's unfaltering dream and wanted to see what his full potential was. Heck, the guy almost killed the pirate hunter with that tiny blade.

[Dynamo]

I'm pretty sure that Mihawk said that he held back because he was intrigued by Zoro's unfaltering dream and wanted to see what his full potential was. Heck, the guy almost killed the pirate hunter with that tiny blade.

That's true, though the wounds would've killed a regular man according to one of the other pirate hunters. Though it's still impressive, at least for the recovery.

[burninganimefan357]

In the current One Piece chapter, Mihawk has shown that he can cut a humongous iceberg with a casual slash and can easily keep up with Gear 2 Luffy (who is quite a bit above bullet-timing level).

http://media.*************/mangas/00000002/000239102/06-07.jpg

Is that enough of a feat for Mihawk to be able to take down Jack? Cause I don't recall Jack ever cutting anything nearly that big

[Aubergine~!]

Odd bump.

Mihawk schooled Jack then, and he still does now.

[Nik Hasta]

Yeah, the most recent chapter has kicked Mihawk well beyond Jack's range.

Jack will make a good go of it, he's still absurdly fast and skillful. But against Mihawk's frankly peanut-butter sandwich level mad skills he's toast.

[Guy1]

In the current One Piece chapter, Mihawk has shown that he can cut a humongous iceberg with a casual slash and can easily keep up with Gear 2 Luffy (who is quite a bit above bullet-timing level).

http://media.*************/mangas/00000002/000239102/06-07.jpg

Is that enough of a feat for Mihawk to be able to take down Jack? Cause I don't recall Jack ever cutting anything nearly that big

Why the hell did Don Krieg ever think he could take Mihawk?

[master of read]

jack is hella good but mihawk, after the recent chapter, showed why he is the greatest swordsman in the world.

[Holy Spirit]

Why the hell did Don Krieg ever think he could take Mihawk?

I think that Mihawk destroyed his fleet simply because Krieg woke him up.

[master of read]

I think that Mihawk destroyed his fleet simply because Krieg woke him up.

naw. mihawk did it cause he wanted to blow some time. he was just bored.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Why the hell did Don Krieg ever think he could take Mihawk?Krieg was an idiot.

But he wasn't alone. Zoro tried the same thing when he was at a much lower level than he is now. And even present-day Zoro is shit when put up against Mihawk.

[Aubergine~!]

Why the hell did Don Krieg ever think he could take Mihawk?

Cocaine's a helluva drug.