Is Iceman immortal?

[Asian Knight]

According to something I read in a comic. It stated that after being blown apart, he could pull himself back together again. I think it was one of the AoA X-Men issues.

[jetter_cheeze]

this sounds like it could work. As long as there is moisture in the air...

[Beast]

Not immortal, just incredibly hard to kill. AOA doesn't count for the 616 current power levels. But Iceman has had his body shattered, leaving only his head before. So yes, he can rebuild himself as long as there is moisture in the air.

[Zeta]

Now that he's H2O 100% of the time, I really don't see how he could be killed . . .

[Beast]

Now that he's H2O 100% of the time, I really don't see how he could be killed . . .
Throw him into a blast furnace. :)

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Throw him into a blast furnace. :)


Hahaha evaporate him!!! I suppose he COULD eventually reform if all of his molecules floated back together.

[Titan Slade]

Hahaha evaporate him!!! I suppose he COULD eventually reform if all of his molecules floated back together.

Sadly, Bobby died on the day Chuck Austen got ahold of him :( . But on a positive note, Austen brought the Juggernaut back to vibrant life :) .

[streator]

for the most part (as long as there is any trace amounts of water around) iceman is immortal. if he is completely ice now, then in theory he could reform himself endlessly. it was explored in x-men forever and in uncanny semi-recently. in short, it would be near impossible to kill iceman on earth, a planet made of over 75% water, not even including water molecules in the air.

[Huzzah!]

no he isnt. He still eats so i suspect he still has organs of ice doing their icey function. He could have heart ice failure and an ice sculpeter would have to preform ice surgery.

[Atom_basher]

no he isnt. He still eats so i suspect he still has organs of ice doing their icey function. He could have heart ice failure and an ice sculpeter would have to preform ice surgery.


maybe he eats do to rote

[Sandy Hausler]

According to something I read in a comic. It stated that after being blown apart, he could pull himself back together again. I think it was one of the AoA X-Men issues.

Well, I guess it's better than asking if he is gay.<g> (He's not!)

Sandy Hausler

[jeangreydp]

no he isnt. He still eats so i suspect he still has organs of ice doing their icey function. He could have heart ice failure and an ice sculpeter would have to preform ice surgery.

HA HA HA AHAHA!! :D

An ice sculpter performing heart surgery on Bobby is probably the funniest visual I've had all week. lol

[The Fury]

I did once mention that Iceman could be immortal in a thread actually about which X-men were immortal, he was one of my main examples (Chamber being another).

What it comes down to is which type of immortality is taken into consideration. One is where a character will live forever unless something odd happens (destruction of the Earth maybe) but they still need food and water and the other is the person just doesn't age and cannot die.

Iceman was part of my arguement for the first choice, (Chamber potentially for the second) with his Ice-form, he does not age as he can easily replace his body over and over again. He has been shattered down to fine ice dust adn reformed. Whether removing all the water form the air and then heating him to beyond boiling point will actually kill him, I dunno. He has control over water vapour obviously to form his ice, it would be whether his mind remains intact duting the process.

[Shellhead]

Now that he's H2O 100% of the time, I really don't see how he could be killed . . .

Couldn't a powerful electric current separate the hydrogen out and vaporize him?

[Huzzah!]

Was he in a space suit in Golgotha? if he was in a space suit he still needs air.

Plus he still eats and sleeps and what not.

A clever villain could kill him.


I think if you scoop out his ice brain and make crushed ice he would die.

[moebius]

Bobby isn't exactly a paragon of willpower or psychic fortitude. Find a powerful telepath, and turn his mind off.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Could someone please explain this to me?
Iceman can't turn into a flesh and bone human anymore?
When did this happen first?
Which writer established this?

[streator]

Could someone please explain this to me?
Iceman can't turn into a flesh and bone human anymore?
When did this happen first?
Which writer established this?
after being injured by black tom cassidy (uncanny 410-413) iceman began changing into a completely ice form. when he was shattered during the draco arc (uncanny 429-434) he reformed himself from the water molecules of one of azazel's minions. chuck austen's idea for the character.

[chicagokmc]

Was he in a space suit in Golgotha? if he was in a space suit he still needs air.

Plus he still eats and sleeps and what not.

A clever villain could kill him.


I think if you scoop out his ice brain and make crushed ice he would die.

don't forget that iceman doesn't regularly use the expanded power set shown in x-men forever. he has the cis "mental blocks/lack of confidence" crap used to hold down many other powerful characters.

i dont know if a person that could theoretically turn himself into water molecules would need to breath air molecules. however since he doesnt regularly do this, i can only assume that his normal power set hasn't been explored enough to determine if he can survive without air and sustenance.

[Huzzah!]

Well he's still breathing. I think regardless of if he needs to or not, he still is doing it. So maybe you could kill him that way.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

after being injured by black tom cassidy (uncanny 410-413) iceman began changing into a completely ice form. when he was shattered during the draco arc (uncanny 429-434) he reformed himself from the water molecules of one of azazel's minions. chuck austen's idea for the character.
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[Cayman]

I think his real body is still out there somewhere and his consciousness is just creating constructs to house it until it is reunited with his real body. Granted, it doesn't really make sense since he turned into ice over a period of time, but someone could probably create a satisfying explanation. Just my pet theory, for some reason I don't like him staying ice.

Cay

[Sandy Hausler]

I think his real body is still out there somewhere and his consciousness is just creating constructs to house it until it is reunited with his real body. Granted, it doesn't really make sense since he turned into ice over a period of time, but someone could probably create a satisfying explanation. Just my pet theory, for some reason I don't like him staying ice.

Cay

Yeah, it must be real cold.<g>

Sandy Hausler

[Koster]

I hope not since i hope he buys the farm this year.

He's so obnoxious ass of late.

[Asian Knight]

no he isnt. He still eats so i suspect he still has organs of ice doing their icey function. He could have heart ice failure and an ice sculpeter would have to preform ice surgery.

What i mean is could Ice Man possibly be an External? Selene after all didn't kill all the Externals.

[Asian Knight]

Bobby isn't exactly a paragon of willpower or psychic fortitude. Find a powerful telepath, and turn his mind off.

i think since he's one of the youngest X-Men. They wanted to keep him around to be comedy relief. He is still the prankster of the X-Men family after all right?

When i first read about this. I mean him reforming after being blown apart. I believed that he could be a unknown External. After all, it wasn't known that Cannonball was one till he died. Isn't that one of the reasons why Cable sought him out on X-Force's creation? When he read a book or something about Sam.

[Huzzah!]

Possibly. But whose to say he is actually all ice. He might have brain cells or other tissue. No ones really taken an icepick to him to find out

[Asian Knight]

Possibly. But whose to say he is actually all ice. He might have brain cells or other tissue. No ones really taken an icepick to him to find out

i think he actually could be a elemental like Storm. I think it was stated that in the future, she was something made of water.

[streator]

first, the externals no longer exist. marvel retconned the whole plot due to copyright infringement with the highlander franchise. selene herself (in x-force) confirmed this after killing the remaining members.
so, iceman cannot be an external.
the elemental bit is a possibility; in ages of apocalypse storm (as i think you're referring to) was portrayed as a water being. it hasnt been picked up on in current continuity, neither with her nor iceman.

[Huzzah!]

Elemental? Wtf is that. Marvel really needs to slow down sometimes.

[JValentine]

Now that he's H2O 100% of the time, I really don't see how he could be killed . . .

He's not 100% H20.

[Henry T.]

In X-Men Forever (2001), the mini series that established Iceman and Phoenix as Omega mutants, Bobby was able to reform himself after being obliterated by a sentinel.

He was also able to become mist and travel around that way when he was shown what he could do at his peak potential.

I thought the potential for immortality was an aspect of being an omega mutant.

I think Iceman has the potential to always be able to reform himself from mist, water, or ice.

Similar to how Jean has the potential to always be reborn.

[ManiacalWon]

Not immortal, just incredibly hard to kill..

Depends on the writer... lol.

As others suggested - telepathy... but that would be the answer for most everyone's weakness in the Marvel U... unless they have immunity to telepathy.

So... who/what else?

Forge could figure something out... to nullify his powers...
Scarlet Witch...
Leech...
Power Draining like Fitzroy
Maybe Pestilence?
Teleportation into the Sun...
Transportation into the Shadow/darkforce dimension... without sufficient moisture...
Magic?
Telekinetic blocking of moisture...
Forcefield blocking moisture...
How does he do in hell?



God... he IS hard to kill...

[Omega Alpha]

He's immortal in his ice form, though he can easily be killed as regular Bobby Drake.

[ZNOP]

Telekinetic Electrolysis will break him into his constituent elements, oxygen and hydrogen. With those molecules separated - they are no longer water -- Telepathic obliteration to keep his mind from reforming his body after the fact. Death of an immortal by TP and TK

[The Thunderbird]

Telekinetic Electrolysis will break it into it's constituent elements, oxygen and hydrogen. Those water molecules are gone - they are no longer water -- Telepathic obliteration to keep his mind from reforming his body after the fact. Death of an immortal by TP/TK
Could Magneto do the same with his powers over electromagnetism at full potential?

[Seres]

Lordy, I hope Iceman isn't immortal. He's still aging though, which would tend to suggest that he isn't.
And presumably... if he got shot while he was in fleshy form (a "meatling", if you will), he'd die.

Or if he got injected with Legacy Virus in X-Force and shattered.*

You have permission to write this storyline, Craig Kyle. I will not complain of plagarism.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Mystique 0897654

[Prodigy55]

He's not 100% H20.

Why did you reply to a 4 year old post?

[DiamondHart]

No he's not. He will die when they stop making X-Men comics.

[ZNOP]

Could Magneto do the same with his powers over electromagnetism at full potential?

Magneto might separate his base components but his mind would just reconstitute his body. You have to destroy his mind as well. You need a telepath to ace him for sure.

[Parch]

If somebody drank him would he get pissed?

[Raptor]

If somebody drank him would he get pissed?

Yes. He woul;d then likely reform and never live down passing though a human body in such a fashion.


He could be killed if his soul was destoyed, or eaten.

[Aguja]

Yes. He woul;d then likely reform and never live down passing though a human body in such a fashion.


He could be killed if his soul was destoyed, or eaten.

I don't think he would mind. Bobby is into watersports. Havok knows this for a fact.

[JValentine]

Why did you reply to a 4 year old post?

Why bother posting that in reply?

[swoom]

He's immortal in his ice form, though he can easily be killed as regular Bobby Drake.

He has been blown up in his human form. By Aurora and Northstar. He just reformed. He has even been absorbed by one of the Goths on the Conquistador. He eventually took the moisture back.

[swoom]

Depends on the writer... lol.

As others suggested - telepathy... but that would be the answer for most everyone's weakness in the Marvel U... unless they have immunity to telepathy.

So... who/what else?

Forge could figure something out... to nullify his powers...
Scarlet Witch...
Leech...
Power Draining like Fitzroy
Maybe Pestilence?
Teleportation into the Sun...
Transportation into the Shadow/darkforce dimension... without sufficient moisture...
Magic?
Telekinetic blocking of moisture...
Forcefield blocking moisture...
How does he do in hell?



A lot of this is assuming he isn't fighting back.

Forge - Awesome character. Needs time and equipment to do this. Frozen circuits in hand and leg make it hard to move.
Scarlet Witch - Had her chance....lol. She didn't pick which ones would stay.
Leech - One on one? Even Emma took out Leech when he had help.
Fitzroy - Bobby's been absorbed before and came back.
Pestilence - How does disease affect ice? Same for legacy virus. Iceman was poisoned and kept remaking himself over and over til it was gone. Same deal. Legacy virus takes time. Recent XForce makes it faster for show.
Sun - Why couldn't he snuff a star? Storm can use it power up. Jean eats them. Why coundn't Bobby just combine the hydrogen and oxygen elements?
Other Dimensions - He has been in another dimension without moisture. He took it from one of the denizens there.
Magic - Not sure on this one. Still don't think he would just let it kill him.
Telekinesis and Force Fields - He can freeze molecules at a distance. Doesn't have to touch it. That means that tk and ff would need to block every molecule for a certain distance from him. Not sure how that works on a molecular level with so many molecules.
Hell - How does anyone do there?

[Beadle]

Hell - How does anyone do there?
Bobby's not escaping from there. I tell ya, Hell would freeze over before that happened. Oh........ wait.....

[swoom]

bwahahahaha!!!!!!!

[Gadget3440]

A lot of this is assuming he isn't fighting back.


Sun - Why couldn't he snuff a star? Storm can use it power up. Jean eats them. Why coundn't Bobby just combine the hydrogen and oxygen elements?


There's no oxygen in a star. Plus, I think because of the ways stars form and their evolution, there's no way he could snuff one due to temperature or abnything else at his disposal

[swoom]

There's no oxygen in a star. Plus, I think because of the ways stars form and their evolution, there's no way he could snuff one due to temperature or abnything else at his disposal



.97% of the sun is oxygen. In terms of the size of the sun, that is quite a bit. Combined with 1.84% of its hydrogen, this should give him a spot on the sun roughly the size of earth to freeze. At least enough to get him away from the sun, or freeze a sizable chunck of the sun. He slows down molecules for his freezing effect. Bishop in Ultimate Xmen even menioned that he could slow down other things. He just needs oxygen for himself. Then he can freeze more of the sun from his little part. Keep in mind, he would have to keep refreezing the molecules as the heated up.

2 things about this argument though:
1. He is omega. Just cause he doesn't have a huge fan base, doesn't mean this isn't possible.
2. I know this is far fetched. But so is Storm existing in space without being near a star. Or any number of events that take the "normal" limitation for powers out of bounds. How many times has Scott used his power like a lazer when it is a blast?

[adeathinthefamily]

He's not immortal, he's just awesome.

[Dafyr]

Taken from the wiki:
Because cold is the absence of heat, Iceman does not actually 'emanate' cold; rather, he decreases thermal energy. As mentioned by writer Mike Carey, Iceman is an "an Omega level mutant...[and] has powers that can influence the ecosystem of the entire world.

It seems as though Iceman has several powers in his power set. First is the thermal control, second his conversion of his own molecules, third his control over the existing molecules in his immediate area, and last his ability to exist as a disembodied presence.

Really unless he can not affect changes to his "normal" side he is immortal. Even with a powerful telepath, what is to stop Iceman from freezing that person's brains? Especially if he can continue using his powers, while disembodied. If someone was fighting him not knowing destorying his body was only half the fight, they would be toast

[Home made ectoplasm]

I am so sick of certain factions on this board always pushing the immortal agenda every time Iceman comes up.

[swoom]

I'm not sure I care if he is immortal. He is just one of the most awesome, if underused, characters ever. He is able to handle most problems however they arrive. He is finally being written that way as well.

And as for the freezing the brain of a telepath, YES!!!! All students at the Xavier institute are trained with at least basic mental shields. Any decent telepath can break them. In that time.....BRAIN FREEZE!!! lol

[Sean Walsh]

Now that he's H2O 100% of the time, I really don't see how he could be killed . . .

Warm pee.

I'll buy 10 copies of the issue where Iceman is finally killed by warm pee.

[AcesX1X]

Warm pee.
.

keep dreaming.

havok used that trick to save his life in azazel's dimension.

iceman is basically rockslide made out of ice.

[ProfeZZor X]

Throw him into a blast furnace. :)

Nice try, but that already happened when Fuego (Children of the Vault) absorbed him. Plus he walked through a diesel spill fire unharmed in Manifest Destiny #4.

..Though I'm curious to know what would happen if he was blown up with thermite explosives, like when Mystique did that to Sangre. It essentially separated and dissapated his hydrogen & oxogen molecules on a molecular level.

[ProfeZZor X]

Possibly. But whose to say he is actually all ice. He might have brain cells or other tissue. No ones really taken an icepick to him to find out

Actually, he was completely dissintegrated during that arc that introduced Pandemic. It was during Rogue's rescue that he and his team mates used an unknown teleporter machine that beamed them directly to Pandemic's location. Something went horribly wrong because Iceman wound up being teleported inside a solid wall. The result caused a massive explosion, since two solid objects can't occupy the same space at the same time, and it shattered him into a find crystaline dust. Mike Carey explained (in that issue) that because ice is a crystal, it can store a vast amount of information - much like the technology we use in real life crystals. Therefore, no matter how many times Iceman is blown up, just a miniscule fragment of ice crystal has enough information in it to recreate his last known embodiment/self.

[ProfeZZor X]

There's no oxygen in a star. Plus, I think because of the ways stars form and their evolution, there's no way he could snuff one due to temperature or abnything else at his disposal

You forget that in space, there exists absolute coldness, AND water. Maybe not in liquid form, but ice does exist in various forms - just like various densities of water. If I'm correct, it's -286 degrees - which is more than enough to coldness for him to survive, and/or use to snuff out any heat source. I would guess that it all depends on the size of the celestial body mass. If the sun is the size of 1 million earths combined, then it would take him thousands of years to achieve such a goal of putting out the sun.

[SayOcean]

um leech wasnt even trying when emma frost kicked him...all you would need is leech and someone who was moderately good with a gun

[mgs]

"Is Iceman immortal?"

Yes. He's a Marvel superhero, they're ALL 'immortal'! i.e., will never be dead forever. :wink:

[ProfeZZor X]

As far as him needing to breathe, I guess it's not that far fetched that he absolutely needs to. After all, Colossus, Rockslide and Magma are made of an organic material and they don't need to breathe... My guess is that the same thing would happen to Iceman as it did with the neural toxins. His body would adapt to accordingly and would find a new way to sustain him. Though it is a bit contradictory to what happened the first time he was blown up by the twins, he needed Mystique to revive him.

[Sandy Hausler]

I am so sick of certain factions on this board always pushing the immortal agenda every time Iceman comes up.


Well, it's better than the faction that insists that he's gay (which he's not).

Sandy Hausler

[swoom]

um leech wasnt even trying when emma frost kicked him...all you would need is leech and someone who was moderately good with a gun

Leech's power is alway active. Hemingway, Marrow and Sack were all right there. Leech got too close, and WHAM! She kicked him. Her power came back immediately and she fried some synapses.

But now you are changing the arguement. 2 on 1. Does Iceman know it is coming? Does he have back up? Against the Marauders, Iceman and Cannonball didn't do to bad. I thought him losing an arm was portrayed as more dramatic than necessary. It would have taken less than an instant to fix. Yet, for quite a few panels, he was holding it like a serious wound. Really?

We need more Iceman fans. Seems to me that the bigger the fan base, the more powerful characters become. Just look at.......hehe that might start something...lol

[Shyft]

Mike Carey has done great things for Iceman, and from his recent interview he intends to do more. Which is awesome.

[swoom]

Where is the interview? I'm stoked. Finally he will be shown in the way they have hinted for him since AOA. Even a little before that I think. I, of course, think it is time he had a team or joined XForce. Woudn't we want an omega powerhouse out there protecting mutants? LeperQueen-cicle anyone? hehe

[swoom]

Ugh! Double post.

[Shyft]

Where is the interview? I'm stoked. Finally he will be shown in the way they have hinted for him since AOA. Even a little before that I think. I, of course, think it is time he had a team or joined XForce. Woudn't we want an omega powerhouse out there protecting mutants? LeperQueen-cicle anyone? hehe

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20735

there you go, its the first question!

[swoom]

thanks for the link