Would you read New Avengers if Spidey wasn't in it? [Archive]

nuclearman

06-27-2005, 08:17 PM

As an avid reader of both the New Avengers and Amazing SM, I feel that Spider-Man really doesn't belong in the New Avengers. I've never felt that Spidey can be truly classified as an Avenger he just doesn't seem to fit.

The only reason I feel he is there is to sell books. I would continue to buy the New Avengers if he wasn't there.

Would you buy the New Avengers if Spider-Man was not in it?

Another question. Would he be better suited in a team such as the Defenders?

I would prefer he is not apart of any team. Thoughts?

Mister Mets

06-27-2005, 08:24 PM

Since I buy the other books by Bendis, I'd buy New Avengers if Spider-Man wasn't in it.

But some kid who sees New Avengers at a grocery store may disagree.

And I do like Spider-Man in New Avengers.
Best comic relief ever. And I think he's well suited for the Avengers especially given his history as a loner which simply makes putting him on a team more interesting.

HartyPotter

06-27-2005, 08:28 PM

I wouldn't have picked up NA if Spidey wasn't in it. The only other character on the team I'm marginally interested in is Iron Man. And maybe Sentry.

The Shadow

06-27-2005, 08:30 PM

I would buy NA with or without Spidey

TheOnlyXTremeFan

06-27-2005, 08:34 PM

I'd still buy Avengers even if Spidey wasn't there. But I enjoy him being on the team, nonetheless.

Kid Kyoto

06-27-2005, 08:37 PM

I hear the fans who say he does not belong but I think that could lead to interesting stories. Spidey in the Avengers can either lead to him growing as a hero (power-wise he certainly belongs as much Hawkeye or Antman) or a spectacular failure and another cycle of angst for poor Peter.

So i say leave him, so long as writers achnowledge the Spidey the character is going to act and feel out of place, like a High School nerd suddenly realizing people are treating him as if he were cool.

Core

06-27-2005, 08:44 PM

I would buy NA with or without Spidey

Ditto.

Although I understand people's complaints about Spidey not really having a team persona...

The Shadow

06-27-2005, 10:01 PM

Although I understand people's complaints about Spidey not really having a team persona...
Wolverine doesn't have a team persona either yet he's on like 4 teams. He's always refered to as a loner... yet he's a team guy.

I like the new dynamic a non-team player brings to the book

cable guy

06-27-2005, 10:06 PM

One of the main reasons I am Going to start reading it is because of Spidey.

chicainery

06-27-2005, 10:11 PM

Would you buy the New Avengers if Spider-Man was not in it?

Another question. Would he be better suited in a team such as the Defenders?

I would prefer he is not apart of any team. Thoughts?

I probably would have picked up New Avengers without Spider-man being on the team. That said, I would probably not continue to get it past the first arc if Spider-man wasn't involved. It's good and interesting, but the Spidey parts are usually my favourites.

I don't really want to see Spider-man on many teams and I've never been a big fan of the Defenders. Solo or in team-ups is where I like Spider-man best.

Uncensored

06-27-2005, 10:44 PM

Yeah, I used to read Avengers years ago, so Spidey being part of the team wasn't one of the selling points for me. Though he does help add some comic relief.

milhouse123321

06-27-2005, 10:54 PM

He's my favourite on the team and the biggest reason I decided to pick up the series as I'd never read any Avengers before.

Charagon

06-27-2005, 11:04 PM

If that were the real Spider-Man I'd be all over it. Otherwise, probably not.

onizuka

06-27-2005, 11:12 PM

it's not that i mind himn being on the team, and he certainly brings in some fantastic comedy relief, but i'm not too sure if he really fits in the team yet. i suppose it might take a couple of arcs for the idea to sink in more.

We R. Venom

06-28-2005, 12:12 AM

there is no new avengers without him

Sixth_Winged

06-28-2005, 12:26 AM

I seriously dunno why people still think Spiderman doesn't fit in this group. I know most people think or regard of him as a loner but given Spiderman's history teaming up with people, it doesn't seem much of a stretch. Spiderman isn't that much of a loner at all if someone bothered to profile him and the elements in N.A. works better than it did before.

Personally, I wouldn't buy NA without him. I was a reader of the Avengers one time before and I felt the title didn't have much going for it except for the quality of the stories(which I can say isn't that much collectively).

jam1

06-28-2005, 01:56 AM

And I do like Spider-Man in New Avengers.
Best comic relief ever. And I think he's well suited for the Avengers especially given his history as a loner which simply makes putting him on a team more interesting.

I do like the idea, but I don't like how Bendis is using him there.

Imo JMS is doing much better work with Spidey as an Avenger in ASM, giving us a more mature and intelligent Spider-Man who can actually do something other than crack jokes.

Jake V

06-28-2005, 02:03 AM

I do like the idea, but I don't like how Bendis is using him there.

Imo JMS is doing much better work with Spidey as an Avenger in ASM, giving us a more mature and intelligent Spider-Man who can actually do something other than crack jokes.
Were you reading the same New Avengers that I was? In addition to cracking jokes, Spidey is a constant source of information about villains and locations. He's constantly filling in the less experienced members of the team with info because Spidey has basically done it all. Bendis is writing Spidey like the veteran he is, but all people seem to be doing is paying attention to his sense of humor.

Elevation

06-28-2005, 02:11 AM

Were you reading the same New Avengers that I was? In addition to cracking jokes, Spidey is a constant source of information about villains and locations. He's constantly filling in the less experienced members of the team with info because Spidey has basically done it all. Bendis is writing Spidey like the veteran he is, but all people seem to be doing is paying attention to his sense of humor.

True but making him a veteran next to who? Captain America? Iron Man? Wolverine? My real problem is the level of bravado Spidey brings... there is none the writers are making him look like a real wimp. We need fighting sequances to showcase Spideys true abilities!

When the big villians come I want Spidey to not take the back seat but to be a driving force on htis team, to be used for more than comic relief!

pennywisdom

06-28-2005, 02:22 AM

For me, it's not the character, it's what the writer is doing with him/her that counts.

Spider-Man is hardly the most important character in New Avengers, but I gotta say I enjoy him in NA a lot more than I enjoy the Avengers in ASM. Straczynski (sorry if I spelled his name incorrectly) hasn't impressed me since he brought MJ, May, and Pete into Avengers HQ. It just seems like an awkward fit.

Jake V

06-28-2005, 02:31 AM

True but making him a veteran next to who? Captain America? Iron Man? Wolverine? My real problem is the level of bravado Spidey brings... there is none the writers are making him look like a real wimp. We need fighting sequances to showcase Spideys true abilities!

When the big villians come I want Spidey to not take the back seat but to be a driving force on htis team, to be used for more than comic relief!
A wimp? Did you miss the part when Spidey said "screw waiting for SHIELD" and jumped right into a busted open supervillain prison?

Or the part where Spidey continued to kick the crap out of dozens of supervillains after he got his arm broken?

Did you also miss the part where he went on a mission into a dinosaur infested jungle with the same broken arm?

As for being the driving force, Spider-Man is a MEMBER of the team, he isn't the leader, and the team isn't designed to be simply Spidey's supporting characters. He certainly knows the most about the villains, but on a team called the Avengers, Captain America will ALWAYS lead the charge.

jam1

06-28-2005, 02:44 AM

Jake V

06-28-2005, 02:56 AM

Only Bendis is portraying Spidey as a wimp who is constantly losing his mask and getting his ass kicked. Obviously he can't tell the difference between 15 year old Ultimate Spidey and 30 year old "Amazing" Spidey.

For good Spidey as an Avenger stories I'll have to read ASM.
"constantly" implies that it happened more than once. Where in New Avengers did he lose his mask more than once?

Second, when did he get his ass kicked? yeah, he got jumped by a dozen supervillains, but he got back up and kicked all their asses.

Third, where in Ultimate Spider-Man does Ultimate Spidey have an intimate knowledge of obscure supervillains? Where in Ultimate Spider-Man do the other superheros treat him as an equal or as a source of information?

This "bendis writes regular spidey like Ultimate spidey" idea is beyond weak. If anyone read both series, you would IMMEDIATELY see MANY MANY differences in their behavior. Unfortunately, angry fanboys look at a sense of humor and cracking jokes in the heat of battle (which are INTEGRAL characteristics of Spider-Man) as immaturity, and use this extremely uninformed idea as a way to bash the writer.

Easily, the weakest Bendis bash I've ever read. I mean, if you want to get pissed at him, just say that he ignores continuity. At least you won't come off like a complete idiot then.

Uncensored

06-28-2005, 09:39 AM

there is no new avengers without him

You've got to be joking.

BlackKnight

06-28-2005, 09:50 AM

"constantly" implies that it happened more than once. Where in New Avengers did he lose his mask more than once?

Second, when did he get his ass kicked? yeah, he got jumped by a dozen supervillains, but he got back up and kicked all their asses.

Third, where in Ultimate Spider-Man does Ultimate Spidey have an intimate knowledge of obscure supervillains? Where in Ultimate Spider-Man do the other superheros treat him as an equal or as a source of information?

This "bendis writes regular spidey like Ultimate spidey" idea is beyond weak. If anyone read both series, you would IMMEDIATELY see MANY MANY differences in their behavior. Unfortunately, angry fanboys look at a sense of humor and cracking jokes in the heat of battle (which are INTEGRAL characteristics of Spider-Man) as immaturity, and use this extremely uninformed idea as a way to bash the writer.

Easily, the weakest Bendis bash I've ever read. I mean, if you want to get pissed at him, just say that he ignores continuity. At least you won't come off like a complete idiot then.

Jake,
Point out the panels he kicked ass in.. I bet you can't find more then 5 in 6 issues.

Sorry man, but in my opinion Spidey is being protrayed as the Ultimate version in NA.. It becomes even more apparent when you read JMS's Amazing books, that including NA stuff.

TheOnlyXTremeFan

06-28-2005, 10:47 AM

I disagree with the NA Spidey/Ultimate Spidey comparisons. I think they are definitely two different beasts. I don't think Ultimate Spidey would ever have the bravado to hop onto the Raft without backup. Ultimate Spiderman is still a kid learning how to be a hero, and therefore unable to trust his fellow heroes at times. Look how he reacted to Nick Fury in a recent arc. NA Spiderman is the veteran, which is why he respects and is respected by his fellow heroes.

Sam T.

06-28-2005, 06:06 PM

I would like them even if Spider-Man wasn't on the team. He probably won't stick around beyond a year or 2 anyway.... :D

onizuka

06-28-2005, 11:43 PM

Spidey team-ups and Spidey being on a team full-time are completely different things.

just look at the differences between NA and Kirkman's Marvel Team-up. there's a big difference there. i think being in a team might actually cramp his style more than anything else.

however, given time i might warm up to the idea. i think especially if over the next few arcs DD turns out to be the new member. even though i really think he shouldn't be on the team at all, any excuse for Spidey and DD to get together is reason enough for me. why the hell don't they have their own book anyways?

BuccaneerBruce

06-30-2005, 07:45 AM

My initial reaction when I heard Spider-Man would be in New Avengers was something along the lines of "eewwww". That being said, I've been surprised and pleased with his role so far. Like CYBERMAN said, he's been the perfect comic relief for NEW AVENGERS so far. It's interesting to see him interact with the team off duty in his own titles, and the Aunt May-Logan bit at breakfast was hilarious.

Would I have bought Avengers without Spidey? Yes, and I'll probably buy it if he leaves the title.

Patriot07

06-30-2005, 08:53 AM

I wouldn't buy it with or with out Spider-Man. I like the classic Avengers.

Rahul

07-01-2005, 11:09 AM

Jake,
Point out the panels he kicked ass in.. I bet you can't find more then 5 in 6 issues.

Sorry man, but in my opinion Spidey is being protrayed as the Ultimate version in NA.. It becomes even more apparent when you read JMS's Amazing books, that including NA stuff.

Maybe not kicked much ass, but he does warn them of danger everytime with his Spider-Sense (in NA 4, 5 and 6). It may not be shown explicitly(He says 'Uh, guys?' all the time; gets irritating sometimes.), but he does warn them of danger.

Crimson

07-01-2005, 11:21 AM

I would... probally cause of the hype and Wolverine (Yes I like him and even though I don't like how overused he is but I want to see how one of my favorite writers use him). I would of then stayed for the great 1st arc so far.

I wanted to get into Avengers for a while and this was a great jump on point. Spider-Man on the team was an added bonus.

Mister Mets

07-01-2005, 05:29 PM

I wouldn't buy it with or with out Spider-Man. I like the classic Avengers.

Are you aware that New Avengers has more founding Avengers on it's team than Avengers VOlume 1 #17-24?

"constantly" implies that it happened more than once. Where in New Avengers did he lose his mask more than once?

Second, when did he get his ass kicked? yeah, he got jumped by a dozen supervillains, but he got back up and kicked all their asses.

Third, where in Ultimate Spider-Man does Ultimate Spidey have an intimate knowledge of obscure supervillains? Where in Ultimate Spider-Man do the other superheros treat him as an equal or as a source of information?

This "bendis writes regular spidey like Ultimate spidey" idea is beyond weak. If anyone read both series, you would IMMEDIATELY see MANY MANY differences in their behavior. Unfortunately, angry fanboys look at a sense of humor and cracking jokes in the heat of battle (which are INTEGRAL characteristics of Spider-Man) as immaturity, and use this extremely uninformed idea as a way to bash the writer.

Easily, the weakest Bendis bash I've ever read. I mean, if you want to get pissed at him, just say that he ignores continuity. At least you won't come off like a complete idiot then.

Actually Spidey was unmasked in the prison fight, and stipped naked in Issue 5, so he was unmasked twice. (Still enjoyed the story, but the criticism's valid.)

Babylon23

07-01-2005, 07:35 PM

Spider-Man joining the Avengers is the only thing I actually like about NA. I thought this was long overdue. I think Spidey should have joined the team back in the 80's, when Roger Stern was writing both Amazing and Avengers.

Having said that, the rest of the book doesn't appeal to me at all. I've just dropped it from my reading list.