The Avengers Spoiler Thread!

[Brian Cronin]

Discussion threads relating to newly-released issues may be posted at 12:00 AM on the day the issue is released in the United States. Before that, the discussion belongs here. So if you read an advance copy of an issue you may post here.

This thread is for people to spoil next week's comics. Do not come here unless you want to be spoiled. And do not spoil things in any other thread BUT this one (I'm talking advance copy stuff....not the four/five-page online previews that are available for everyone to see).

[RonnieThunderbolts]

OK, this thread will be full of spoilers, so stay away if you don't want to know...

Well, starting with where the online pages leave off...

After Iron Lad and Cassie kiss, they prepare to face off against Kang, and Iron Lad says he will return with Kang. He takes off his armor, and continues to plan. They fight Kang, and the team doeas a pretty amazing job. Cassie has both growing and shrinking powers and does well with the boys, as does Kate, trying their best to defeat Kang. Hulkling and Asgardian go full out, with Hulkling using his shapeshifting well, and Asgardian revealing he is a spell caster. Out of the blue the Iron Lad armor steps in during the middle of the fight, facing off against Kang, with the Vision's memories and CPU in full control. Kang apparently turns him off in order take his armor back, and appears victorius when it ends with Iron Lad, armorless, impaling older Kang with Kate Bishop's (or Swordsman's) sword... It was a pretty cool ending. Anyway, here is the Vision as he appears while possessing the Iron Lad armor.

The Vision inhabiting Iron Lad's armor while off of young Kang
http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/TheVision-IronLadArmor.jpg

I hope you like him.

-Jared

[Jared_Humpherys]

Doesn't this come out next Wednesday?

anywho...

Ok, here's the evidence:

Kang downloaded the Vision in entirety into his armor.

The Vision gave Kang the files to find the other members.

The solicitations have mentioned a casualty, and future Kang has made it clear that current Kang must return to his own time. Coincidence? I think not.

The figure on the cover for 7 looks like Iron Lad, but has a yellow cape.

If Kang is absent from the armor, and Vision is still in it, how hard would it honestly be for him to take over?

The current Avengers don't like the Young Avengers being heroes. But if one of their own(Vision) said he'd watch over them, I'm sure they'd be more willing to let it happen.

The figure on the cover of 7 is Vision. I guarantee it.
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I'll change my avatar to the Halle Berry catwoman avatar and then, in my sig in bold letters ,proclaim that catwoman was the best movie ever.






I really hope you're wrong


HAHA! Catwoman for ye, Super Samurai!


Great picture, btw. I can't wait to see him in a cape.

[twilight]

The Vision looking after 'The Young Avengers' seems a little to similar to Red Tornado watching over 'Young Justice' for my liking.

[Super Samurai]

Doesn't this come out next Wednesday?

anywho...






HAHA! Catwoman for ye, Super Samurai!


Great picture, btw. I can't wait to see him in a cape.
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a few minutes

[protege]

OK, this thread will be full of spoilers, so stay away if you don't want to know...

Well, starting with where the online pages leave off...

After Iron Lad and Cassie kiss, they prepare to face off against Kang, and Iron Lad says he will return with Kang. He takes off his armor, and continues to plan. They fight Kang, and the team doeas a pretty amazing job. Cassie has both growing and shrinking powers and does well with the boys, as does Kate, trying their best to defeat Kang. Hulkling and Asgardian go full out, with Hulkling using his shapeshifting well, and Asgardian revealing he is a spell caster. Out of the blue the Iron Lad armor steps in during the middle of the fight, facing off against Kang, with the Vision's memories and CPU in full control. Kang apparently turns him off in order take his armor back, and appears victorius when it ends with Iron Lad, armorless, impaling older Kang with Kate Bishop's (or Swordsman's) sword... It was a pretty cool ending. Anyway, here is the Vision as he appears while possessing the Iron Lad armor.

The Vision inhabiting Iron Lad's armor while off of young Kang
http://jjinbeat.com/Cap/StarSpangledSite/TheVision-IronLadArmor.jpg

I hope you like him.

-Jared
You know, I find this whole "Iron lad" thing confusing; but the idea of Hulkling having shape shifting powers seems kind of pointless. If he was a skrull, that would be different.

[Super Samurai]

i missed out on issue#4, so can the hulkling shapeshift into other things too?

[TCJohnson]

i missed out on issue#4, so can the hulkling shapeshift into other things too?

As of #4, we don't know. We just know that when Kang took him out he reverted to his true form: skinny blonde haired kid.

[TheOnlyXTremeFan]

I'm still really really curious as to what Hulkling and Asgardian's Avenger connections are. Patriot made a lot of sense to me, as did Iron Lad. I have no clue what the other two have to do with old Avengers history.

Real glad to see the Vision is back too. If Wanda survives House of M, there would be a ton of story potential with the two of them.

[Brian Cronin]

Forgot to open this one. :)

Sorry bout that.

-Brian

[Beast]

Since people keep asking here about 'The House of M', here's my post from the X-Books Foum. This is the official pre-release spoiler thread, so remember to please keep discussion of the secret contained here until the issue actually hits the stands for others to read. It's only fair for everyone. :)
House of M #3:
I was going to save this, since it seemed wrong to spoil. But some people wanted to know and I thought I'd deliver. Let's just say, it doesn't really 'Crack the Internet in Half'. Unless they're talking about the division of the people who care and those who don't give a crap. The reveal is going in spoiler text, please respect that for those who may look.
Hawkeye comes flying out of Cloak's body/cloak, which connects to a pocket dimension. Apperantly this is where Hawkeye was stored after supposedly dying flying into the fake Kree ship.

Spoilers for the full issue:
Aight, beyond Hawkeye returning, here is the main plot. Wolverine thinks back over his life from fighting alongside Cap, to meeting the Hulk, Dark Phoenix, etc and even remembers Emma leading the way in Genosha so they can grab Xavier and leave. Back to the "present" where he says "let's get xavier and get out of here" and Mystique questions him. He says he remembers his whole life and she is confused. He asks what happened in Genosha and she says she doesn't know she just hopes Lord Magnus is okay. Wolvie flashes back to the church in Genosha and sees Xavier flanked by three shadowy, cloaked figures. Wolvie jumps off the helicarrier and grabs a copy of the Pulse (very interesting articles contained in here such as She-Hulk and Daredevil's sexual encounters, splinter groups threatening to act out against Magneto as the leaders celebrate the thirty year that mutants have been free of sapien reign, etc.)

Wolvie steals a motorcycle and rides to Graymalkin Lane only to find a family in the mansion who have lived their for fifteen years and have no idea who this Xavier is of which Wolverine speaks. He leaves and attempts to contact Xavier or Peter Parker via operator, but sees some mutants attacking a sapien and goes to help. He returns to the city to Stark Tower only to learn that Tony doesn't live in the city and is found by Jessica Drew, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Toad, and Rogue, who claim to be members of his Red Guard team. Jess says that the bosses want him brought in, but wolvie punches her and runs. Nightcrawler teleports after him and ends up being shot as Wolvie speeds away on the bike. As he pops a jump through traffic Cloak appears and WOlvie lands in Cloak and is taken to the location of Luke Cage and his entourage as seen in issue two. Cage tells him to crush the tracker that Drew used to find him and Wolvie looks confused as Hawkeye emerges from Cloak and tells him to do what Cage said.

[Jake V]

Since people keep asking here about 'The House of M', here's my post from the X-Books Foum. This is the official pre-release spoiler thread, so remember to please keep discussion of the secret contained here until the issue actually hits the stands for others to read. It's only fair for everyone. :)
I'm not gonna read spoilers I'm not gonna read spoilers I'm not gonna read spoilers i'm not gonna read spoilers.....

[Huzzah!]

I wouldnt read it. Maybe it will work better in the confines of the comic.

[hbkabdul]

Well since the subject says dont come here if you dont want to be spoiled im not going to use "invisotext". i havent read this issue yet but from reading over the spoiler crack in the net in half was just as i thought a whole of hype and nothing else. instead of marvel hyping this issue with such hyperbole they should have just stayed quiet and let the suprise catch people off gaurd. at least my expectations wouldnt have been so high. no need to hype it has cracking the net in half since they know house of m is going to sell huge already. this should make most everyone happy since everyone complained about hawkeye dying a poor death if anything it'll just cause fans to grump why kill him off in the first place but the thing is he actually never died on panel, they never found his body so really i think its kind of cool how they reintroduce him in the house of m. it's kinda like a segue between books.

[Kirk G]

Well since the subject says dont come here if you dont want to be spoiled im not going to use "invisotext". i havent read this issue yet but from reading over the spoiler crack in the net in half was just as i thought a whole of hype and nothing else. instead of marvel hyping this issue with such hyperbole they should have just stayed quiet and let the suprise catch people off gaurd. at least my expectations wouldnt have been so high. no need to hype it has cracking the net in half since they know house of m is going to sell huge already. this should make most everyone happy since everyone complained about hawkeye dying a poor death if anything it'll just cause fans to grump why kill him off in the first place but the thing is he actually never died on panel, they never found his body so really i think its kind of cool how they reintroduce him in the house of m. it's kinda like a segue between books.
"Crap, gotta remember, don't spoil the future issues." :mad:

[Kirk G]

I'm not gonna read spoilers I'm not gonna read spoilers I'm not gonna read spoilers i'm not gonna read spoilers.....


"Crap, gotta remember, don't spoil the future issues."
WARNING: DO NOT READ THE NEXT POSTING BELOW THIS ONE.....


HE POSTED IT IN THE CLEAR.... NO INVISIBLE TEXT....
WARNING....WARNING.... :rolleyes:


LAST WARNING, STOP READING THIS THREAD NOW, OR ELSE YOU'LL BE SPOILED........
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[Beast]

Well, you don't need spoiler text for this thread. It's a spoiler thread. I only did it for mine, so that people wouldn't read anything big on accident. Or could avoid it if they changed their mind. :)

[Brian M.]

Ok after reading the spoiler's I firmly believe the Bendis and Joe Q were exaggerating and just playing off on the reaction that came from the action they took a while back. But that is kinda a cool scene that is described.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Regarding the spoiler:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[comicfreak]

Regarding the spoiler:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
My words, exactly!

[Jared_Humpherys]

So, here's what "broke the internet in half" :

Hawkeye returns on the last page.

Overall, a so-so issue for me. Too much focus on Wolverine. I hope it starts to broaden the scope in further issues.

Discuss! :)

[Brian M.]

In an article on this website, I posted a link to it in the X-Boards, Bendis says that Wolverine is just a leaping board to other characters, that he is the start of it all, he realizes that it's wrong and he goes to other characters to try and get their help, it's not all Wolverine in this series.

On the fact that it was Hawkeye to return that will split the internet in half, you people have to understand that that was a play on the huge fan reaction he got when he killed Hawkeye. All the jokes they had been making in interviews prior to this issue about Hawkeye and Bendis commenting on the reaction it got it was an obvious exaggeration. The real fireworks should be in issue #7.

[Titan Slade]

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but my computer exploded after I read this issue.

[Mark Thorson]

Much ado about nothing........

[Bart Simpson]

YAWN

For some huge company event this is slow and boring compared to DC's events like Identity Crisis. Marvel = non-fulfilled hype. :rolleyes:

[SlightlyMad]

I think this says it all

[Steeven]

Though I did enjoy the issue, I got to the last page and said to myself:

"Oh, uh . . . OK. That's it?"

[Ryan K]

I liked the issue. More plot than the last one.

But the Hawkeye thing was HUGE dissapointmet. I kind of thought him being alive was just gonna be a given. Not even worth mentioning. It's an altered universe. Dead characters are alive. Alive characters are dead. No big deal. At all.

[Sion]

Well, I read it yesterday and the power went down... but I think it was due to the horrible storm (but who is to say the comic didn't cause the storm to start with? well.. fine... it didn't).

[Nightcrawler]

If Marvel REALLY wanted to make a stir, they shouldn't have hyped it at all. Let it catch the fans of guard.

[Huzzah!]

The only thing that split in half was Bendis asscheeks when birthed this turd




Okay. I havent actually read the book yet. And i may like it. I just wanted to say the above as i was thinking about it for a while

[fishtaco]

This issue sucked big time.

The hype about the last page of the issue was worthless.If Joe Quesada needs to mega-hype a book in order to get good sales, then thats pathetic. I can tell where there have been edits from Quesada, who seems to be a bit passionate about House of M. Why is a popular character revealed alive in a reality that has been warped like mad something so big that the internet will crack in half? My mind wasnt blown at all. After reading this, I mightve wanted to blow my own mind out, but a character revealed alive at the end does not crack the internet in hald and blow anyones minds. Who does these solits? They should be fired immediately.

Also, did we really need an issue spotlighting Wolverine? Do we need this guy to be the main focus in every book? Sure, he's a great character, but was this neccessary? How about giving the spotlight to Dazzler? this just sucks.

But the Uncanny X-men HoM stuff, thats a bit different.

4/10

[Dermie]

Of course, the return of Hawkeye wasn't the only surprise in the issue. The few pages of The Pulse newspaper had some interesting tidbits as well--such as revealing that Carol Danvers is CAPTAIN Marvel in this world! Now, given that the "captain marvel" title is currently unclaimed in the regular Marvel Universe, might Carol possibly be keeping this name once things go back to the way they're supposed to be??
And then there was the blurb about She-Hulk having sexual encounters with Matt Murdock in the courthouse! There go your legal briefs! :eek:

[scouse mouse]

There were some nice little bits here and there, over all an okay issue not a good one. The Hawkeye bit at the end was lame.

[Ivan Isaacs]

WTF?

http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na7_spoiler.jpg

[Expletive Deleted]

Ha!

Oh, that's nifty.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

And then there was the blurb about She-Hulk having sexual encounters with Matt Murdock in the courthouse! There go your legal briefs! :eek:

I really hate that. Even Forge has been seen on panel (breifly albeit). She-Hulk gets no respect.

[streator]

WTF?

http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na7_spoiler.jpg
is this real?

[EvilDangerRoom]

WTF?

http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na7_spoiler.jpg

where did you get that?

[Ivan Isaacs]

My copy of NA #7.

here is the whole page:
http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na_7.jpg

[Expletive Deleted]

I say again: Ha!

I'm really hoping Bendis will go full-on ANIMAL MAN, here.

[EvilDangerRoom]

My copy of NA #7.

here is the whole page:
http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na_7.jpg

wow, thats......interesting

[Keith_Martineau]

My copy of NA #7.

here is the whole page:
http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na_7.jpg


......
..........
.............
...say WHAT?!

[EvilDangerRoom]

My copy of NA #7.

here is the whole page:
http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na_7.jpg

do you have the whole comic, or just the last page?

[Keith_Martineau]

Until I see the copy in my hands and read it, I'm going to assume thats some cleverly changed text, and that he actually introduces Robert Reynolds, and then asks The Sentry "who are you?"
They look the same, those two.
Paul Jenkins, HAH! Good joke.

::looks around worried about his own sanity in light that this page is real::

[Ivan Isaacs]

do you have the whole comic, or just the last page?

The whole issue (but I haven't read it yet. I just skipped to the last page).

Until I see the copy in my hands and read it, I'm going to assume thats some cleverly changed text, and that he actually introduces Robert Reynolds, and then asks The Sentry "who are you?"
They look the same, those two.
Paul Jenkins, HAH! Good joke.

::looks around worried about his own sanity in light that this page is real::

I had this discussion on Newsarama, too. No the picture has not been altered, yes it's all true. I wouldn't pull such a stunt.

[Expletive Deleted]

That doesn't really look like Bob Reynolds (from the mini-series, at least). It does, however, kind of look like Paul Jenkins.

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2003-08-28/feature4-1.jpg

[Adem]

I'm going to pick up this issue now just to see whats what.

[Keith_Martineau]

O_O

Man Bendis is on MAJOR drugs for this one.

Whats worse is that like a retard, I looked at the spoiler page, and now I'll get the issue tomorrow, and I ain't even gonna CARE about the rest of the comic, just that last page, and it'll be a month at least before we get the next issue anyway, and now I wanna know what the F is going on!

[Crimson]

That sounds... odd. I really hope this doesn't take the Sentry mini series out of continuity or make it so this Sentry isn't the orignal.

I hope its that somehow Jenkins remember The Sentry in his sub-conscious and created the comic character The Sentry with it.

It makes the old Sentry stuff still in-continuity, it makes this Sentry the same guy and starts to bring him back into people’s memories.

[Doom Hammer]

Before you guys go exploding your own heads, consider the wonkiness of the first mini.

This could be some sort of failsafe to the world-wide memory-altering machine.

I'm guessing that this is a conspiracy, so that if the Sentry was ever remembered or somehow reemerged, he would be considered by the public to be a fictional character. So that the world-threatening events of the first mini could be avoided. Even if people remember him, he isn't "real." Get it?

Bendis can't be that lame. Right?

[Beast]

Before you guys go exploding your own heads, consider the wonkiness of the first mini.

This could be some sort of failsafe to the world-wide memory-altering machine.

I'm guessing that this is a conspiracy, so that if the Sentry was ever remembered or somehow reemerged, he would be considered by the public to be a fictional character. So that the world-threatening events of the first mini could be avoided. Even if people remember him, he isn't "real." Get it?

Bendis can't be that lame. Right?
Ding Ding Ding, give that man a No Prize. I think he nailed it on the head.

And Bendis has and can be lame, but he usually makes up for it. Usually. :)

[Neolucifer]

Lol that page was awesome !! I cant wait to get this issue and the next into my hands

[Dermie]

I really hate that. Even Forge has been seen on panel (breifly albeit). She-Hulk gets no respect.

She-Hulk was already on-panel in #1 (and again in #3 in a flashback). And we are only halfway through the series. Don't count Shulkie out yet.

[Dark Soul # 7]

My copy of NA #7.

here is the whole page:
http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/na_7.jpg
.................................................. ............................ :eek: :eek: :eek:
OK... anybody else confused?

[SabrinaMorrell]

Could anyone spoil the New Avengers/Wrecker battle for me?
What were the circumstances and how does it end?
Thanks!

[Jake V]

Could anyone spoil the New Avengers/Wrecker battle for me?
What were the circumstances and how does it end?
Thanks!
It was basically the 4 "new" avengers against him. Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cage, and Spider-Woman show up in a quinjet and a fight happens. First, Wolverine jumps at him and Wrecker knocks him away. Then Cage Spider-Man start in on him. Cage and Wrecker get locked up and SPidey hits him over the head with a tricycle. Cage gets a hit in but Wrecker knocks him into the Quinjet. The two spider-people start hitting him with webs and venom blasts, but Wrecker flings Spidey away. Wolverine comes back and slices him, and Cage comes at him again but gets knocked into a car. Wolverine and Wrecker start going at it, but wrecker grabs wolverines arm and flings him away. All that's left is Spider-Woman, but the scene cuts away before they begin to fight. To be continued next time, i guess.

[SabrinaMorrell]

It was basically the 4 "new" avengers against him. Spider-Man, Wolverine, Cage, and Spider-Woman show up in a quinjet and a fight happens. First, Wolverine jumps at him and Wrecker knocks him away. Then Cage Spider-Man start in on him. Cage and Wrecker get locked up and SPidey hits him over the head with a tricycle. Cage gets a hit in but Wrecker knocks him into the Quinjet. The two spider-people start hitting him with webs and venom blasts, but Wrecker flings Spidey away. Wolverine comes back and slices him, and Cage comes at him again but gets knocked into a car. Wolverine and Wrecker start going at it, but wrecker grabs wolverines arm and flings him away. All that's left is Spider-Woman, but the scene cuts away before they begin to fight. To be continued next time, i guess.

Thanks a lot.
I don't get my comics till next week, but I have seen in shock and disbelief that this issue has made even the Bendis non-fans say good things about it.
Can you believe that?

[Jake V]

Thanks a lot.
I don't get my comics till next week, but I have seen in shock and disbelief that this issue has made even the Bendis non-fans say good things about it.
Can you believe that?
There's still time. Some people will surely pop up just to be naysayers.

[StoneGold]

Before you guys go exploding your own heads, consider the wonkiness of the first mini.

This could be some sort of failsafe to the world-wide memory-altering machine.

I'm guessing that this is a conspiracy, so that if the Sentry was ever remembered or somehow reemerged, he would be considered by the public to be a fictional character. So that the world-threatening events of the first mini could be avoided. Even if people remember him, he isn't "real." Get it?

Bendis can't be that lame. Right?
The last trick in there being that this is probably the MU's version of Paul Jenkins. The MU's had a longstanding tradition of fictional versions of real writers, editors and artists existing in the MU, back to Stan and Jack talking with Doc Doom way back in issue I can't remember.

[Michael P]

The last trick in there being that this is probably the MU's version of Paul Jenkins. The MU's had a longstanding tradition of fictional versions of real writers, editors and artists existing in the MU, back to Stan and Jack talking with Doc Doom way back in issue I can't remember.
Issue ten. He made them lure Reed to the Marvel Comics offices so he could pull the Ovoid mind transfer.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Young Avengers poster that's kicking @$$!:
Kate's definite costume (holy s***!) and - surprise! - Vision is the new member:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/PatLoika/DSCF1420.jpg

http://www.comicforum.de/comicforum/images/smilies/sabber.gif http://www.comicforum.de/comicforum/images/smilies/sabber.gif http://www.comicforum.de/comicforum/images/smilies/sabber.gif

IT MUST BE MINE!

[Christopher O]

Great poster! Kate's uniform is bad ass.

[comicfreak]

Regarding the Vision:
Nice to have him back! At least in some mentor function.
Oh, and has anybody a full picture of this poster?

[Atom_basher]

I wouldnt be surprised if Vsion has found away to become Kangs new armor

[Jake V]

Young Avengers poster that's kicking @$$!:
Kate's definite costume (holy s***!) and - surprise! - Vision is the new member:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/PatLoika/DSCF1420.jpg

http://www.comicforum.de/comicforum/images/smilies/sabber.gif http://www.comicforum.de/comicforum/images/smilies/sabber.gif http://www.comicforum.de/comicforum/images/smilies/sabber.gif

IT MUST BE MINE!
Hey, where did you get that picture? I saw it when I at SDCC and I freaked out. Unfortunately I only had my crappy camera phone.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Someone posted the link on a German comic board.

I cross my fingers that Marvel will publish this as regular poster or that they at least put it as a promo into one of the Diamond deliveries. I have to get that!

[Jake V]

Someone posted the link on a German comic board.

I cross my fingers that Marvel will publish this as regular poster or that they at least put it as a promo into one of the Diamond deliveries. I have to get that!
I'm going back tomorrow. Maybe I can swipe it from the marvel booth.

I mean, the life-size Optimus Prime got his liscence plate stolen twice. I can snag a poster.

[Ivan Isaacs]

I mean, the life-size Optimus Prime got his liscence plate stolen twice. I can snag a poster.

*LOL* (err I mean - those guys should be ashamed ;) )
Good luck! :)

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I read the new preview issue of Captain America in a comic store today. It was excellent, and for anyone who wants to know, I thought I'd spoil some of the tidbits I am interested in

Crossbones goes ballistic on a military-run "re-education center" outside of Reno, Nevada and kidnaps a young woman. After this intro, it goes to Cap and Nick and Sharon talking about what is going on, eventually, Cap and Sharon have a one-on-one conversation about him wanting her off of the mission, and her being pretty upset. Steve ends up foaming at the mouth when he meets Lukin face to face and blows up at him, Nick Fury has to play damage control as it is all speculation and theory at this point, and Lukin has the appearance of a legitmate businessman and friends in high places. Lukin later ponders his limited, but careful use of the cosmic cube. The title ends with Crossbones and the girl on the run, revealing that though she'd been somewhat brainwashed by the re-education program, she was actually Sinthea Schmitt, the daughter of the Red Skull.

Another good issue by Brubaker, I am really into this book. It has been an amazing run to date, and there is no sign of its streak of excellent writing and art slowing down any time soon.

[Kid Kyoto]

Regarding the Vision:
Nice to have him back! At least in some mentor function.
Oh, and has anybody a full picture of this poster?

Young versions of popular heroes mentored by an android?

Wow.

Marvel really is the House of Ideas! :D

(I know, I know it's hardly the same comic but the link did make me laugh)

[Ivan Isaacs]

Spoilers for Young Avengers #6

After a heated discussion with Iron Lad (who doesn't want to become Kang) Asgardian opens a portal and is sucked into it. Asgardian goes berserk and attacks Lad but he alsp disappears and suddenly Avengers mansion is rebuild and looks like new. The bad side: All Avengers are dead. All except Scott Lang (at least Cassies doesn't see his gravestone on the graveyard).
So together they convince Iron Lad to restore the timestream by becoming Kang and after kissing Cassie (awwww...) he walks into the portal - disappearing... NOT DYING!!! (BTW: Vision is back - but we already knew that because of those spoiling covers).
The Young Avengers are thinking about breaking up (oh I definitely see something coming between Kate and Patriot :D ) but they don't. The get new costume and jump into action. Weeeee.

I just flipped through my copy but that's what's basically happening. Just don't ask me any details because I didn't have the time to read the actual dialogue.

[Ivan Isaacs]

http://www.marvelarchiv.de/bilder/new_swordman.jpg

[Beast]

Early Spoilers for Young Avengers #10 from Another Board:
Just got my issue of YA in the mail today, the issue introduces a new young avenger, a speedster named Thomas Shepherd, who can "use his speed to distabilize atomic matter." The book also notes that Thomas looks like he could be Billy's twin. Now Billy could be short for William, hmmm William and Thomas, now where have we heard those names before? Might just be a coincidence but you never know.
Hmm, William and Thomas. Looks like they are indeed Wanda's kids with Vision. And each one of them has variations of Wanda and Pietro's powers, Billy/William with the 'magic' and Thomas with the Speed. And then possibly toss in a touch of Vision's, if the note about atom distabilization is tied to him anyway. :)

[Holland]

Oooohh, that is... an unexpected development!
But I thought they would leave poor Wanda alone after recent storylines.

[Tennoarashi]

Oh that's SO awesome. Thanks for that, Beast. Made my day. <3333

[Capt Hunter]

Early Spoilers for Young Avengers #10 from Another Board:

Hmm, William and Thomas. Looks like they are indeed Wanda's kids with Vision. And each one of them has variations of Wanda and Pietro's powers, Billy/William with the 'magic' and Thomas with the Speed. And then possibly toss in a touch of Vision's, if the note about atom distabilization is tied to him anyway. :)

doh..... yup... the crap is gonna hit the fan... at mach 3...

[Beast]

At least Brevoort's comments about HoM playing into YA make sense now.
Asked how the Young Avengers will be affected by the House of M storyline, Brevoort said that issues #9-#12 of that series will deal with fallout from the summer’s uberstory.

[Capt Hunter]

hmmm maybe Marvel is trying to go back to old school and have things run in a continuity.... Joe Q might not like it, but with DC flying up the charts, he might not have a choice in the matter....

[Beast]

More info, and a teaser pic of 'Young Quicksilver'?:
A little, Super skrull tells Hulkling that the year he was born, he abducted Captain Marvel, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witchas a gift to the Skrull Emperor and the emperor's daughter, Anelle. Months later, Anelle gave birth to Hulkling. After this, the young avengers find and attack SS and just as SS is about to reveal Hulkling's father, SS is shot by a group of Kree. The Kree then claim that Teddy is one of them. Kinda adds a little more support to Cap Marvel being Hulkling's father.

[Capt Hunter]

"Getting better all the time"

[Keith_Martineau]

Snap. How the hell is that supposed to play itself out when it's been established that the children were halucinations and never existed? Damn, can't get this till Friday, there'd best be a good explanation. I trust Heinberg.

And um, Beast...is that new avatar...Beast in bondage leather?

[Beast]

Snap. How the hell is that supposed to play itself out when it's been established that the children were halucinations and never existed? Damn, can't get this till Friday, there'd best be a good explanation. I trust Heinberg.

And um, Beast...is that new avatar...Beast in bondage leather?
Well, we saw in Young Avengers Special that Billy supposedly existed before Wanda went loony tunes. And that she seemed to give him a piece of her power. If she did the same thing to another kid, aka Thomas, then it would be a means of wiggling out of that whole 'Not Real' aspect. :)

And yes, yes it is. :D

[xmanson]

Oh, man. YA is the best thing to come out of Disassembled.

yay.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

William and Thomas weren't ever hallucinations. They were never imaginary, and never not real. They were, however, souless, and the fact that the children's souls were fragments of the evil demon Lord Mephisto's led to both Thomas and William becoming the arms of Master Pandemonium, and never returning to reality. Wanda had so desired children that her improbability powers stole shards of Mephisto's soul, perhaps in part due to being manipulated by Immortus, as explained in Avengers Forever, dooming the twins' fates before they started. Firstly, its improbability powers. Secondly, its magic, its hell dimensions and demon souls. I see no stretching of my imagination involved in picturing a creative writer making William and Thomas into teens. When there is this much reality warping involved, the suspension of disbelief isn't difficult.

[Dermie]

William and Thomas weren't ever hallucinations. They were never imaginary, and never not real.

That is not correct. They were "not real"--they ceased to exist when Wanda wasn't thinking about them. This was established in an ongoing subplot in WCA (where Wanda fired a string of nannies who reported that the children kept disappearing).
Wanda constructed the kids out of the fragments of Mephisto's soul; they were never real kids. They were magical constructs.

I see no stretching of my imagination involved in picturing a creative writer making William and Thomas into teens. When there is this much reality warping involved, the suspension of disbelief isn't difficult.

Exactly.

[Keith_Martineau]

You know, I was not an Avengers guy until Dissassembled/New Avengers, but now I love both New and Young Avengers as much as I've ever loved any comics...
So now I'm REALLY interested in reading those issues and getting the back story on this. Any trades people can recommend?

[Ivan Isaacs]

I flipped through my copy and one WOW-scene after the next. So good. I love, love, LOVE that book. :)

[Kirk G]

You know, I was not an Avengers guy until Dissassembled/New Avengers, but now I love both New and Young Avengers as much as I've ever loved any comics...
So now I'm REALLY interested in reading those issues and getting the back story on this. Any trades people can recommend?
Yes, you can find the story in John Byrne's run on Avengers: West Coast from #42 through 57. I don't think it's been reprinted anywhere yet, but there has recently been rumors of a tradepaperback called "The Vision Quest" which I think will cover it. As I recall, Wanda's kids are revealed in the two part story that pre-cedes Acts of Vengence... so that would make them about issue #51 and 52, right? The subplot of the nannies and the vanishing kids ran in the background of virtually every issue from #42 onward, so it's clear that Byrne was working toward the Darker Than Scarlet storyline right from the first! :eek:

[zinderel]

So, question is, if Thomas is gonna be the Quicksilver guy to Billy's Scarlet Witch, will there be wierd incestuous subtext to all of THEIR dialogue too?

And am I the only one who thinks he doesn't look like a very nice guy...?

[Beast]

So, question is, if Thomas is gonna be the Quicksilver guy to Billy's Scarlet Witch, will there be wierd incestuous subtext to all of THEIR dialogue too?

And am I the only one who thinks he doesn't look like a very nice guy...?
Only if it's Ultimate Young Avengers, which this thankfully isn't. ;)

And Thomas is sorta a jerk, I agree. Which means he's got Pietro's personality. :)

[zinderel]

Only if it's Ultimate Young Avengers, which this thankfully isn't. ;)

Heh, well, that's good at least. Although....who doesn't occasionally entertain a few less than pure thoughts about identical twins? LOL


Sorry, I know, I'm wrong...


Anyhow, seriously, though, are they actually supposed to be brothers in YA? I mean, if they ARE Wanda's kids, we know they are, but in their current guise, are they related?

[Ivan Isaacs]

HEAVY SPOILER!!!

New Avengers #16

4 pages. 4 PAGES! 4 pages is what Bendis needs to slaughter Alpha Flight. The Preview pages included.

I'll post pictures when I come home in about an hour.

[Ivan Isaacs]

You can find the pictures here:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59432

(not that anybody seems to care :D )

[BlackKnight]

You can find the pictures here:
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59432

(not that anybody seems to care :D )

Four pages to kill a whole team of moderatly popular charaters. Well Bendis has found a new low of flash in the pan shock... Next he will have to kill off a whole planet to make it interesting.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Four pages to kill a whole team of moderatly popular charaters. Well Bendis has found a new low of flash in the pan shock... Next he will have to kill off a whole planet to make it interesting.


Can't wait to get this issue!!!!!
You plan to get it, bk?

[BlackKnight]

Can't wait to get this issue!!!!!
You plan to get it, bk?

Yup, I love the art, one of the main reasons that I still am getting NA.. Also, the promice of some supposed action later on.
Does not make killing AF in four pages and better or any more then some more cheap flash in the pan gimmick. Look buy this issue cause we killed AF.. *sigh* same old same old.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Yup, I love the art, one of the main reasons that I still am getting NA.. Also, the promice of some supposed action later on.
Does not make killing AF in four pages and better or any more then some more cheap flash in the pan gimmick. Look buy this issue cause we killed AF.. *sigh* same old same old.

See?
U can't resist the Bendis! :)

[Expletive Deleted]

Four pages to kill a whole team of moderatly popular charaters.Moderately popular: Sasquatch and Puck, sure. Gladiator, Vindicator, and Shaman, maybe. Radius and Puckette . . . no.

Kill: I see a bunch of folks lying on the ground, but I don't see much in the way of evidence that they're dead. Gladiator and Shaman might be, what with the eyes being open and staring off into nothing, but the rest . . . to be determined. They could very well all be dead, sure. But let's not jump to conclusions.

[BlackKnight]

See?
U can't resist the Bendis! :)

Ummm has nothing to do with Bendis... In point of fact I resist him very well, don't read Pulse, DD, SW, USM or Spider-woman... Loved Alias though...

His writing on NA is on a par with Austen's.. That is just my opinion, however the art is amazing and keeps me coming back...

[BlackKnight]

Moderately popular: Sasquatch and Puck, sure. Gladiator, Vindicator, and Shaman, maybe. Radius and Puckette . . . no.

Kill: I see a bunch of folks lying on the ground, but I don't see much in the way of evidence that they're dead. Gladiator and Shaman might be, what with the eyes being open and staring off into nothing, but the rest . . . to be determined. They could very well all be dead, sure. But let's not jump to conclusions.

Do you mean Guardian and Shaman... These charaters supported a 100 plus issue run, I think they can be called moderatly popular.

[Capt USA]

Moderately popular: Sasquatch and Puck, sure. Gladiator, Vindicator, and Shaman, maybe. Radius and Puckette . . . no.

Kill: I see a bunch of folks lying on the ground, but I don't see much in the way of evidence that they're dead. Gladiator and Shaman might be, what with the eyes being open and staring off into nothing, but the rest . . . to be determined. They could very well all be dead, sure. But let's not jump to conclusions.

agreed, from the looks of it, I don't think any of them are dead, just stomped.

of course anything that could wipe out the sasquatch that fast would literally destroy the avengers(other than sentry) even faster.

[Expletive Deleted]

Do you mean Guardian and Shaman.Yeah, them. My bad. I'm having one of those days. I even meant to include Vindicator in the first group.These charaters supported a 100 plus issue run, I think they can be called moderatly popular.Guardian was dead for almost all of that run. And Shaman was in and out, and never left much of an impression on me.

Vindicator, Puck, Snowbird, Talisman, Aurora, Northstar, and Sasquatch are (to my mind) the definitve team. They'd be the ones I'd think of as moderately popular.

[BlackKnight]

Yeah, them. My bad. I'm having one of those days. I even meant to include Vindicator in the first group.Guardian was dead for almost all of that run. And Shaman was in and out, and never left much of an impression on me.

Vindicator, Puck, Snowbird, Talisman, Aurora, Northstar, and Sasquatch are (to my mind) the definitve team. They'd be the ones I'd think of as moderately popular.

I can mostly agree with that..

[Ivan Isaacs]

What about Box? :D

But yeah, that's what I would call "Alpha Flight", too.

[Mo S.]

So, "Ivan" - you've read the issue in question - is that all the Alpha Flight does? Show up for one double splash page? What the "outcome" for the characters? It certainly doesn't look good.

[Expletive Deleted]

What about Box? :DWhich one?

I wouldn't call him part of the classic team, simply because there were two (plus a villain and Sasquatch at various times). And neither really did much for me.

[Ivan Isaacs]

So, "Ivan" - you've read the issue in question - is that all the Alpha Flight does? Show up for one double splash page? What the "outcome" for the characters? It certainly doesn't look good.

I posted all four pages on which the team does appear - so yeah. That's it.
And that chick from SHIELD said to the president that they "just lost them".

Which one?

I know only of one - the chubby disabled guy.
It's been years I read that and I was merely making a joke but I thought that he belonged to the cast for quite a time when Byrne was writing the series.
Too bad the German edition was discontinued around the time when Hudson returned from the dead (as some sort of cyber being?).

[riotgear]

I know only of one - the chubby disabled guy.
It's been years I read that and I was merely making a joke but I thought that he belonged to the cast for quite a time when Byrne was writing the series.
Too bad the German edition was discontinued around the time when Hudson returned from the dead (as some sort of cyber being?).

BOX I (Roger Bochs) Deceased

BOX II (Jerry Jaxon) Deceased

BOX III (Walter Langkowski)

BOX IV (Madison Jeffries)

[Expletive Deleted]

I know only of one - the chubby disabled guy.
It's been years I read that and I was merely making a joke but I thought that he belonged to the cast for quite a time when Byrne was writing the series.He did, while Byrne was writing it.

A little later on, though, he went insane, merged with a supervillain, turned into a giant monster, and had to be killed. The supervillain's brother (who had a sort of tech telekinesis power) became Box IV.

II was a villain and III was Sasquatch in his disembodied phase, by the way.

[Ivan Isaacs]

BOX I (Roger Bochs) Deceased

That one. Thanks.
Too bad that he's dead. :(

He did, while Byrne was writing it.

A little later on, though, he went insane, merged with a supervillain, turned into a giant monster, and had to be killed. The supervillain's brother (who had a sort of tech telekinesis power) became Box IV.

II was a villain and III was Sasquatch in his disembodied phase, by the way.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[20yrslater]

So kicked their butts so thoroughly? The mysterious Collective?

[Ivan Isaacs]

So, I took the time to actually READ that issue and I (who is not a strong supporter of NA) have to say that it was really good.
I'm getting pretty excited as this enemy is something I want the Avengers to battle - an enemy on the same level as Korvac.
Yeah, I miss AF 'cause I liked them and it's annoying that there was no fight scene (but a 9-page slide show opener...) but well THIS enemy is badass.
They only problem are the New Avengers. No way they could beat this guy (hello? they couldn't beat a bunch of ninjas!).
Still I'm looking forward for the things to come. NA stays on my pull list.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

So, I took the time to actually READ that issue and I (who is not a strong supporter of NA) have to say that it was really good.
I'm getting pretty excited as this enemy is something I want the Avengers to battle - an enemy on the same level as Korvac.
Yeah, I miss AF 'cause I liked them and it's annoying that there was no fight scene (but a 9-page slide show opener...) but well THIS enemy is badass.
They only problem are the New Avengers. No way they could beat this guy (hello? they couldn't beat a bunch of ninjas!).
Still I'm looking forward for the things to come. NA stays on my pull list.


So it was the Collective who killed AF? Damn...that is one tough MF...

[Ivan Isaacs]

Well, some flaming dude looking like the Human Torch flatted AF. He's not named. Were did this "The Collective" originate? Was it mentioned in the solicitations? Can't remember hearing it before. :confused:

[Jake V]

Well, some flaming dude looking like the Human Torch flatted AF. He's not named. Were did this "The Collective" originate? Was it mentioned in the solicitations? Can't remember hearing it before. :confused:
He's apparently the manifestation of all that mutant energy that was last seen circling the earth at the end of House of M and the begining of Deadly Genesis.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Ah, thanks.

[Maximum_Carnage]

How far in the future do you think Bendis has plans for?

Either he had from Disassembled to date written down, or this is one huge stroke of luck plot.

In other words, when they were doing Disassembled, do you think they had something further down the checklist: "Scarlet Witch's actions of sending the abilities into space form into one super powerful mutant called "The Collective" ? And was Civil War thoroughly planned out at the same time as Disassembled?

This whole plot that he's created is falling together like some sort of "end times" chain reaction.

aka: I love what he's done to the place. :cool:

Furthermore: C'mon! How can a world of super heros and super villains exist without people dying? We're living in a new age. Comics don't have to be cutesy, they fight and the bad guy is thrown in prison without too much harm, so let's be realistic here. In real life (heh) if Alpha Flight was put up against this Collective guy, which they would be because I don't know of any other Canadian super hero line of defense, they would most definately die.


My only dislike: Hawkeye. When is he going to work his way back into the plot? You know he's not dead because of the last issue of House of M. He's out there watching the Avengers. When will it be his time to come back and save the day? When?

Edit: Furthermore upon my furthermore (George Carlin: "Spooky Language!"): We need to see some new talent. And that doesn't mean teenager knock offs of already existing heros (new x-men / young avengers)! I can't remember the last time a brand new hero was introduced and was remembered. (Villains, sure. Heros, no) Haha...I can't remember one that was remembered...guess that cancels it out that none exist. But anyway, we need new talent out there to balance out the deaths. Stop digging through archives and be creative.

[Ivan Isaacs]

So, since I can't open a new thread until tomorrow I'm posting a pre-review of New Avengers #17 here:

Maybe you know I'm far from being a huge fan of NA but this issue... yeah... THAT issue rocked!

The Avengers are in Detroit's slum area, doing some PR work and scaring the s*** out of drug dealers et al (Luke Cage gives a great speech about them being Impact Superheroes)

Then there is an emergency call from SHIELD. We see them in the Quinjet were Agent Hill is showing them a record of Alpha Flight's slaughter.

Wolverine: Damn... is that Alpha Flight?
Agent Hill: It was.

Meanwhile The Collective reaches Cleveland's coast, while Tony is requesting assistence from Ms. Marvel and Cap wants Daisy Johnson as back-up. After that he phones Lindy because he wants to know if Clark Looneybin is ready. He's not. Then Cap yells that they need him and he should get up!

The team is breaking up in two parts - Tony... and the rest.
While Holo-Tony is crosschecking the data banks for any indication of who the attacker may be the real Tony is confronting him.
He intruduces himself, says that he's an Avenger and asks if he has heard of them. The creature stops.
Tony asks him who he is and he says... "Mik... al..."
Tony wants confirmation and asks if his name is "Michael". The creature says "Ys". Holo-Tony asks if his name is Korvac, why he's hurting people and where he's going.
But before "Michael" can answer Carol crashes into him. But "Michael" is overloading her with too much energy and she goes all Binary mode (sort of).

To be continued...

Please Bendis, please don't disappoint me here. Please let it be Michael Korvac! If it is Michael then all is forgotten. ;)
Yeah, a lot of Avengers action and a good portion of humor in the first part.

Also: Deodato's art looks so much better then his Spidey stuff. Hell of an improvment.

[Absalom]

Well, from what you said, it could either possibly be Micheal Korvac or Mikhail Rasputin.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Well, from what you said, it could either possibly be Micheal Korvac or Mikhail Rasputin.

Mikhail Rasputin is not an option IF Bendis doesn't ignore the current Colossus miniseries.
And I also don't think he ever met or knows the Avengers.

[Ivan Isaacs]

Young Avengers #11 Pre-Review

So, same game as always - first posting here, then tomorrow there will be a "regular" review thread. Therefore: Spoiler tags:

The Kree Captain tells Teddy that he's indeed the son of Mar-Vell and a Skrull princess and he wants him to join the Kree army. Teddy declines and is immidiately attacked. The Super-Skrull who's NOT dead safe's his life and allows the Young Avengers to escape. But Teddy is not leaving the Skrull behind. While he saves him the YA are taking counter-measures and knock-out the Skrulls. Then Vision gets control over the Kree ship and they go on their way. Eli wants to go to the Avengers Tower, but the rest wound, 'cause they think Cap will arrest Thomas and hand Teddy over to the Kree to avoid a new Kree-Skrull-War. Eli wins and they are on course to the Tower.
The Super-Skrull tells Billy and Thomas that they really are the Scarlet Witch's sons. Then they are attacked by a Skrull warship because of their own spaceship.
Teddy and Billy try to stop the Skrulls, when the Skrulls are attacked by Kree. A battle starts but is ended by the New Avengers.
Cap decides that Teddy has to stay on earth - under the protection of the Avengers.
Then the Kree Captain raises his laser gun and Eli is (maybe) mortally wounded when he attempted to save Cap. To be concluded...

Again, one fine b@ad@$$ issue. :)

[General Grievous]

pm me for captain america spoilers for issue 25.

i won't post the news here cus i'll get into trouble.

pm me

[jackolover]

As with all these posts, don't read any further or you will get spoiled.









http://www.sequart.com/database/?act=issue&issue=22608

I just saw a few pencilled images of this book, and I am definately excited. Seeing Iron Man and Carol looking over the dead bodies, (I assume heros after the CW #7 fight), was enough to make me look forward to getting this book. It fits right into Initiative, and definately has a tie-in to the main CW.

[Haunt]

that's not much of a spoiler.

[Mo S.]

I just saw a few pencilled images of this book, and I am definately excited. Seeing Iron Man and Carol looking over the dead bodies, (I assume heros after the CW #7 fight), was enough to make me look forward to getting this book. It fits right into Initiative, and definately has a tie-in to the main CW.

Carol seems to be wearing a decontamination suit - I doubt the bodies are CW casualties.

[jackolover]

I don't know what Tony was thinking. Either he's an idiot, or, he's forgotten what a god is.

This is the best CW related book that JMS has written. Why JMS waited till this issue to unleash the power in his characters, I don't know. The way Thor reacted to Tony's ultimatum to register, or, we board Asgard, was too awesome.

And, you'd think Thor wouldn't be up with all the CW stuff? No, No. As soon as Tony stopped talking, (And Thor stopped riddling his armor with lightening bolts, to utterly depower Tony), Thor took him by the throat and addressed Clor. This is what we missed in CW. The actual big hitters reaction to the SHRA. Hulk and Thor were missing, and you can see why. It wouldn't have mattered what kind of plan Shield had, if Thor and Hulk were on the planet, then it would all have gone ape ****.

Iron Man gave it his best shot with full repulsor power beam at THor, and he never flinched. Thor just started to boil up solid bolts of lighting all around himself, until he let loose with the question " IS IT"!!. Then Thor gave Tony 'the lecture'. Then Thor made his point in DC (Washington), by sending lightening bolts there, to reiterate the point. Then Thor said he wasn't from this time, so Tony asked who he was. Thor said, 'I'm one who doesn't hold back'.

It ends with Thor telling Tony that they still have to discuss Clor personally, later. Then Tony has to "WALK' away because his armor is fried. I don't know why people think Wolvy is the wiping boy of the MU. Tony gets his arse handed to him in every second issue he appears in.

Fabulous CW tie-in from JMS. After the first pedestrian issue, this makes up for all the slow buildup.

Finishes with Thor discovering and exposing Heimdall and bringing him back from the dead. Nothing that comes after, is going to come near this, for what we have been waiting to happen to Tony, since he went along with all this CW. I can't see this book climbing to these heights again unless Thor visits Tony on the Helicarrier.

10/10

[Frodo-X]

I got an early copy of Captain America #34 and put up a summary at LWW.

Here's a link: Captain America #34 (http://www.forum.livewireworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=3165)

[XPac]

I got an early copy of Captain America #34 and put up a summary at LWW.

Here's a link: Captain America #34 (http://www.forum.livewireworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=3165)

Wow... that sounds amazing.

As much as I dislike the notion of there being another Captain America, even I can't deny that it's the best written comicbook on the market today.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I got an early copy of Captain America #34 and put up a summary at LWW.

Here's a link: Captain America #34 (http://www.forum.livewireworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=3165)

... are you @!%$ing kidding me?

I... I...

BUCKY IS UNREGISTERED?!?! WHAT THE HOLY HELL!!! I CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE OF THIS! WHAT THE HECK WAS CIVIL WAR FOR ANYWAY?! ARAGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is all wonderful. Just bloody fantastic! Government agents shooting into crowds, tony ignoring his OWN DAMN IDEAS, implied corruption everywhere... this is just swell...

If this wasn't so well writen, I'd be much more angry... but I still have to read it for myself.

[TheUncannyJim]

hey folks!
here's Wizard's early review of the issue. It's spoiler-free so nothing will be ruined by taking a gander...
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/007496511.cfm

What'cha'll think?

[Push You Down]

Shoot to maim!

I like it.

[Frodo-X]

I got an early copy of Captain America #35 and put up a summary at LWW.

Here's a link: Captain America #35 (http://forum.livewireworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=3231)

[jackolover]

Wow! What a fightback!

Norman Osborn gets on the big stage as a big ass freedom fighter, up there with the big guns.

Captain Marvel, convinced by Norman Osborn he’s Kree, now, begins to demolish the Skrull armada to destruction.

Abigail Brand goes apeshit on all the Skrulls arses. She knows Skrullese!!. She rescues Reed Richards, who has a rather sick-on for all Skrulls, now.

The YA wake up in Nick Furys secret Lair, and they all listen to this cheesy Skrull takeover Speech, to all the earth, made in various recognizable human guises.

Maria Hill, also goes batshit on the Skrulls on the Helicarrier, and destroys Jarvis and all the other Skrulls, after her LMD buys it, then she escapes with a jet pack. (Not convinced by Hills T-Shirt she plans to make – ‘Nick Fury was right’. This was supposed to be a YE-HAR moment, but really, who else beside Hill did Fury tell?)

Back to the Savage Land and it’s a face off, Skrulls and super humans. Enter Reed Richards (just fresh from Bland detouring to SL), and his super duper Skrull converter, and all Skrulls are Skrullified and killed en-masse, causing Hawkeye to rant (after his green Mockingbird is killed by him), ‘Kill them all. Every last one of those ***ks’.

This is such a great 3-cheers-for-Independence, moment. One of the best from Bendis, Yu and co, if not the. A big YA HOO!

We’re left with Stark virused out of his brain and Veranke lurking in the Savage Land. But for all intents and purposes, the Skrull Invasion is ***ked, but good.

And I think Clint Barton will be the Captain America of this story.

[Seikun21]

Sounds much better, and about damn time they finished off the Savage Land skrulls.

I am so not surprised that Mockingbird is a skrull. And now Captain Marvel is convinced he's a Kree, cool.

And did all of the Young Avengers appear? Anything new with the Vision after he got his head shot through and blown up? I assume the Initiative cadets were there as well.

[jackolover]

Sounds much better, and about damn time they finished off the Savage Land skrulls.

I am so not surprised that Mockingbird is a skrull. And now Captain Marvel is convinced he's a Kree, cool.

And did all of the Young Avengers appear? Anything new with the Vision after he got his head shot through and blown up? I assume the Initiative cadets were there as well.

Vision was there, whole and hearty. Sadly, no Initiatives, Hood, Thor, or Cap. They didn't show where Hulking was either, so we don't know where they put him, or why. Also, Veranke said last issue it doesn't matter what kind of fight back the heroes do, because they can't trust whose fighting next to them. But now that Reed has his Skrull converter, I think the fight is a little more balanced again. I wonder when Thor and Cap get involved? And will Hood turn out to be a good guy, in all this?

[HopeLantern]

Wow! What a fightback!

Norman Osborn gets on the big stage as a big ass freedom fighter, up there with the big guns.

Captain Marvel, convinced by Norman Osborn he’s Kree, now, begins to demolish the Skrull armada to destruction.

Abigail Brand goes apeshit on all the Skrulls arses. She knows Skrullese!!. She rescues Reed Richards, who has a rather sick-on for all Skrulls, now.

The YA wake up in Nick Furys secret Lair, and they all listen to this cheesy Skrull takeover Speech, to all the earth, made in various recognizable human guises.

Maria Hill, also goes batshit on the Skrulls on the Helicarrier, and destroys Jarvis and all the other Skrulls, after her LMD buys it, then she escapes with a jet pack. (Not convinced by Hills T-Shirt she plans to make – ‘Nick Fury was right’. This was supposed to be a YE-HAR moment, but really, who else beside Hill did Fury tell?)

Back to the Savage Land and it’s a face off, Skrulls and super humans. Enter Reed Richards (just fresh from Bland detouring to SL), and his super duper Skrull converter, and all Skrulls are Skrullified and killed en-masse, causing Hawkeye to rant (after his green Mockingbird is killed by him), ‘Kill them all. Every last one of those ***ks’.

This is such a great 3-cheers-for-Independence, moment. One of the best from Bendis, Yu and co, if not the. A big YA HOO!

We’re left with Stark virused out of his brain and Veranke lurking in the Savage Land. But for all intents and purposes, the Skrull Invasion is ***ked, but good.

And I think Clint Barton will be the Captain America of this story.
Thank you for the review! I can't get to my LCBS this week due to work. I new Mockingbird was a skrull. I bet we're going to see Clint go Ape@#$%on the rest of the skrulls for the last three issues. I am GLAD they are finally out of the savage land!

[CMBMOOL]

Wow! What a fightback!

Norman Osborn gets on the big stage as a big ass freedom fighter, up there with the big guns.

Captain Marvel, convinced by Norman Osborn he’s Kree, now, begins to demolish the Skrull armada to destruction.

Abigail Brand goes apeshit on all the Skrulls arses. She knows Skrullese!!. She rescues Reed Richards, who has a rather sick-on for all Skrulls, now.

The YA wake up in Nick Furys secret Lair, and they all listen to this cheesy Skrull takeover Speech, to all the earth, made in various recognizable human guises.

Maria Hill, also goes batshit on the Skrulls on the Helicarrier, and destroys Jarvis and all the other Skrulls, after her LMD buys it, then she escapes with a jet pack. (Not convinced by Hills T-Shirt she plans to make – ‘Nick Fury was right’. This was supposed to be a YE-HAR moment, but really, who else beside Hill did Fury tell?)

Back to the Savage Land and it’s a face off, Skrulls and super humans. Enter Reed Richards (just fresh from Bland detouring to SL), and his super duper Skrull converter, and all Skrulls are Skrullified and killed en-masse, causing Hawkeye to rant (after his green Mockingbird is killed by him), ‘Kill them all. Every last one of those ***ks’.

This is such a great 3-cheers-for-Independence, moment. One of the best from Bendis, Yu and co, if not the. A big YA HOO!

We’re left with Stark virused out of his brain and Veranke lurking in the Savage Land. But for all intents and purposes, the Skrull Invasion is ***ked, but good.

And I think Clint Barton will be the Captain America of this story.

Damn, the Skrulls are screwed now and poor Clint. :eek:

However one thing still bugs me: Was Reed able to reverse every Skrull disguise so now that every hero and villain are revealed as Skrulls Now ? :confused:

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Damn, the Skrulls are screwed now and poor Clint. :eek:

However one thing still bugs me: Was Reed able to reverse every Skrull disguise so now that every hero and villain are revealed as Skrulls Now ? :confused:

Yeah, that sounds like a Deus ex Machina to me. (though this is Reed we're talking about... He does that quite often)

[XPac]

Yeah, that sounds like a Deus ex Machina to me. (though this is Reed we're talking about... He does that quite often)

It seems a bit early in the event for Reed to be pulling out deus ex machinas to save the day though.

Hopefully the skrulls have a good plan B up their sleeves.

[CyberHubbs]

I hope things turn out differently. I was hoping for a serious occupation of Earth, and not what amounts to an afternoon of fighting.

[celticguy]

It seems a bit early in the event for Reed to be pulling out deus ex machinas to save the day though.

Hopefully the skrulls have a good plan B up their sleeves.


Like maybe launch their attack in Miami where no superheros live and establish a beach head.

[Jmacq1]

I'm suspecting the spoilers are incomplete, inaccurate or deliberately withholding some stuff. Between the end of the last issue and the solicit, it makes absolutely no sense for Thor or Captain America to not show up in this issue.

Or was it next issue that had the solicits about "One has a hammer, the other has a shield?"

[XPac]

Like maybe launch their attack in Miami where no superheros live and establish a beach head.

Florida didn't get any Initiative team love yet?

You would think that would be one of the prime spots heroes would go for.

[Jmacq1]

Florida didn't get any Initiative team love yet?

You would think that would be one of the prime spots heroes would go for.

Florida has an Initiative team, but I don't think it's going to survive Marvel Zombies 3.

What with that whole Nexus of All Realities thing, I'd figure Florida should be REALLY IMPORTANT to the Initiative.

[celticguy]

Florida didn't get any Initiative team love yet?

You would think that would be one of the prime spots heroes would go for.


they might have I picked that out of my behind but any where but the north east where they seem to be in droves would be smart.

Then again they are skrulls.

[Frodo-X]

I got an early copy of Captain America #42.

Wrote up a very detailed summary of it, which you can read at LWW.

Early Captain America #42 Summary & Discussion (http://forum.livewireworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=3695)

[jackolover]

I got an early copy of Captain America #42.

Wrote up a very detailed summary of it, which you can read at LWW.

Early Captain America #42 Summary & Discussion (http://forum.livewireworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=3695)

Wow. That was powerful.

I don't see how you could dismantle the Red Skulls plans in such a short time, but here it is. All this (42 issues), comes down to Cap bursting through a window, stopping a bullet; Skull and Zola being defeated by a short-circuit in Sharons transferral machine, and crazy Cap stabbing Skull, so he has to jump into Zola.

Somehow in all this Cap gets cheering from a crowd, as if the crowd understands that Bucky took over as Cap and saved the Presidential election from the Red Skull. How did they know?

We learn Sharon had a miscarriage, so all those theories on the Skull jumping into a baby Steve Rogers didn't come true.

And what happened with that faulty Doom Time Machine? Sharon saw her baby grow before her eyes and freaked out?

There were a few sudden jumps, like a tied up crazy Cap in a building crumbling around him, to, stabbing Skull, all of a sudden. And how does Cap survive an RPG explosion even with protective armor?

It seems SHIELD did a behind the scenes cleanup of the Kronos organisation and security forces, so that wasn't elaborated upon.

With all the Prologues, this book must have been double sized and priced at $3.99?

[Frodo-X]

The RPG does hit the shield, so that'll absorb the brunt of it. I expect the armor Tony made would be able to handle what the shield didn't.

I pre-order, so I didn't really notice, but I think it's only regular size/price. I had reservations that he could wrap up all that was left in just this one issue, but he managed.

[jackolover]

The RPG does hit the shield, so that'll absorb the brunt of it. I expect the armor Tony made would be able to handle what the shield didn't.

I pre-order, so I didn't really notice, but I think it's only regular size/price. I had reservations that he could wrap up all that was left in just this one issue, but he managed.

Yes, it was incredible how he wrapped it up in that one issue. Was it as spectacular an event, the conclusion, for the ending of such a long run? In CW, we got that cataclysmic fight with Cap and Tony, but we aren't getting a Cap and Red Skull fight to end all fights, from your summary.

[Frodo-X]

Yes, it was incredible how he wrapped it up in that one issue. Was it as spectacular an event, the conclusion, for the ending of such a long run? In CW, we got that cataclysmic fight with Cap and Tony, but we aren't getting a Cap and Red Skull fight to end all fights, from your summary.
No, we don't get that fight.

In truth, I expect Brubaker doesn't want to do that fight until he's leaving the title. That'll probably be like his grand finale. (Which hopefully isn't coming for a long time.)

I hope they plan to release the entire 18-part Death of Captain America arc as a hardcover to compliment the Omnibus.

[jackolover]

No, we don't get that fight.

In truth, I expect Brubaker doesn't want to do that fight until he's leaving the title. That'll probably be like his grand finale. (Which hopefully isn't coming for a long time.)

I hope they plan to release the entire 18-part Death of Captain America arc as a hardcover to compliment the Omnibus.

Yes, that would be awesome. The lead book being Cap #25, and then the emergence of the ideal replacement. It reads good, too. The Red Skull begins with his greatest triumph, and that really is what this story is all about. The Red Skulls ultimate win. That he falls over on the home stretch of taking down the US is not all that surprising.

[jackolover]

It's funny how in Cap #42 this arc ends 'the Man who bought America', and at the self same time, forces in America now own half the mortgages in the US, and it's biggest insurance group, once $700 billion dollars was pumped into the mortgage investment companies. I wonder how long it will take before the US is run by the shadow men of politics, and not the electorate? I wonder when the killings will start?

[Frodo-X]

I wonder how long it will take before the US is run by the shadow men of politics, and not the electorate?

Who says it isn't?

[jackolover]

Who says it isn't?

I know. It's always been assumed the men behind the President runs the country, but now it looks like they are making their move. I see a monopoly coming, and then out and out oligarchy.

[Jmacq1]

Truth be told, I'm kinda glad we didn't get a Cap/Skull fight. Sharon deserved that fight far more than Bucky did. That's not to say anything about Bucky's worthiness, just that of all the characters in this arc, she needed that semi-closure more than anyone else. Bucky's "closure" is more the public beginning to embrace him, and coming to the realization that he's genuinely capable of carrying the mantle of Captain America.

I'll be very, very interested to see how things develop now. Bucky should get a bit of his own rogues' gallery (in addition to having to deal with Steve's from time to time). Looks like Crazy 50's Cap will be a recurring problem, which isn't a bad thing, IMHO. Either way, this was, for my money, a fitting end to this long storyline. An ending that's definitely just as much a "beginning" as anything else.