Marvel's Satan

[surferfan23]

Which Satan-like character in the Marvel U. do you dig the most?

[Jake V]

I'd like to vote for the creator of this poll, but it isn't an option you can vote for.

[1HELLBOY]

You forgot about Black Heart. But I like Mephisto AND Black Heart.

The little Rob Leifield thing was cute, but then you carried it too far with all the other little devil things in the poll. Should have just stuck with the Rob Leifield and added REAL Satan-like characters other than Mephisto and Dormmamu. Just suggestions.

[surferfan23]

I'd like to vote for the creator of this poll, but it isn't an option you can vote for.

LOL. :D :D :D

[surferfan23]

You forgot about Black Heart. But I like Mephisto AND Black Heart.

The little Rob Leifield thing was cute, but then you carried it too far with all the other little devil things in the poll. Should have just stuck with the Rob Leifield and added REAL Satan-like characters other than Mephisto and Dormmamu. Just suggestions.
I couldn't think of any others...and I made too many options for the poll...so I just wrote what came into my pea-sized brain.

[Ant-Man]

Edit your post from Ang Lee, to Pat Lee, because Pat Lee is the artist on X/F4. Ang Lee directed the horrible Hulk movie, so he could remain on the list for this as well.

[Nick MB]

I'm guessing he's referring to Jae Lee's art in Ultimate FF in the two issue Mike Carey fill-in. But I quite liked that, so I hope not.

[Nightcrawler]

Mephisto. That is the devil.

[SuperJ]

Dan Slott and his Ally McShe-Hulk.

Actually, let's just put Satan in charge of the writing of SH and see whether or not he can do more damage. Might be a refreshing change of pace, at any rate. :-P

[Uncensored]

Edit your post from Ang Lee, to Pat Lee, because Pat Lee is the artist on X/F4. Ang Lee directed the horrible Hulk movie, so he could remain on the list for this as well.

Pat Lee is awesome!

[jonahhex]

I voted for Dr. Strange's other villian Satanish, probably little used due to his actually being the real Satan. I can't seem to remember Son of Satan and/or Satana very well. Would not dear old dad of both Damien Hellstrom and Satana be Marvel's real Satan? Or was there some storyline later that placed him as a complete poser, or as an alternate identity of Mephisto or somebody else?

[DDM]

Marvel does not have one particular Satan. All of Marvel's demons are in different ranks & power. For instance, Chthon & Set, Elder Gods, are more powerful than Mephisto, Satannish, Zarathos, etc al. However, all demons are formed by the inherent mystical concentrated evil that dispersed at the beginning of time. Elder Gods are more powerful than second, third, fourth, fifth generation demons. But what separates a demon from gods is that demons are parasitic in nature, usually feeding on different variations of the human soul.

[comic_lover]

Which Satan-like character in the Marvel U. do you dig the most?
Brian Michael Bendis for killing Hawkeye,Ant-Man,The White Tiger,Destroying The Avengers with a lame storyline,creating the New Avengers,and destroying Aunt May's house....but who's worse,Satan,or the one who gave him the power to do these evil things ? :D ;)

[Gaz]

Brian Michael Bendis for killing Hawkeye,Ant-Man,The White Tiger,Destroying The Avengers with a lame storyline,creating the New Avengers,and destroying Aunt May's house....but who's worse,Satan,or the one who gave him the power to do these evil things ? :D ;)
Um, didn't JMS do the Spidey part?

[comic_lover]

Um, didn't JMS do the Spidey part?I've heard it was a collaboration in order to get Aunt May and Mary Jane into the Avengers book.

[Dan_Slott]

Dan Slott and his Ally McShe-Hulk.

Actually, let's just put Satan in charge of the writing of SH and see whether or not he can do more damage. Might be a refreshing change of pace, at any rate. :-P

Dan Slott (a.k.a. "The Great Satan") here-- just sayin' "Hi."

Well, Ma (Mrs. Satan) always said, "No publicity is bad publicity."

So? What's all the fuss about this SHE-HULK book? (I mean, we've heard the buzz even all the way down here in the fiery depths of Hades.)

Well, from what we devil-spawn understand, it's a book about a second-tier character...

...that both Aint It Cool News and Wizard have called "The Best Book Marvel is Putting Out."...

...that creators around the web (from Gail Simone here at CBR, Brian K. Vaughan over at BKTV, to Brian Michael Bendis over at Jinxworld) profess to "LOVE"...

...that earned "Best of 2004" nods from over 20 sites and blogs in their year end wrap ups...

...that had BOTH of its TPBs (still on sale-- both on your surface world, and down here in the eternal pits of d*mnation) place in TOP 20 spots-- AND even earned a recommendation by the New York Times!

;)

Thumping my chest a little too much? H*ll yeah! I'm VERY proud of this title and the work that the entire creative team has put into it!
So, if you've followed my writing over at DC, in ARKHAM ASYLUM: LIVING HELL or BATMAN ADVENTURES-- or recently discovered my stuff at Marvel in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH or GLA, let me just say this:

SHE-HULK is my favorite.

It's a labor a' love. And we're gearing up for a whole new series this OCTOBER. So nothing would please me more if you gave this book a fair shake!

So? If you want to see why the critics, top name pros, and a devout readership of over 23K love it...

...or why a comic fan like SuperJ is so incensed by it, he's willing to make the leap and push me BEYOND Hitler-status to full-blown-Satan-status...

...then why not try out TWO WHOLE ISSUES of SHE-HULK for FREE?

That's right! Without spendin' one red cent, you can read ALL of SHE-HULK #5 online, right here:

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/shehulk5/

AND you can read ALL of SHE-HULK #8 online, right here:

http://www.marvel.com/dotcomics/index.htm

And if you like 'em, you can check out BOTH of the SHE-HULK TPBs (SHE-HULK: SINGLE GREEN FEMALE and SHE-HULK: SUPERHUMAN LAW) which are still on sale at your local comic shop and bookstores everywhere. These will get you caught up on SHE-HULK #1 through #12.

But, have no fear. If you'd rather wait and check out the ALL NEW SHE-HULK #1 in October, that's cool too-- it promises to be a good jumping on point for new readers.

It's a FUN comic that-- in an age of constant 6-part stories-- tells LOTS of self-contained issues, with the ocassional 2-part and 3-part story thrown into the mix. Why, in our first dozen issues, we told over SEVEN stories!Pretty Satanic, huh?

Anyway... have to go back to work before my pitchfork gets too dull. :)
ttyl
Dan

p.s.
Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

[SuperJ]

So the only thing different about the SH rehash (or relaunch if you prefer) is that it will probably go on much longer due to some deal you have going with Marvel guaranteeing the book will be published regardless of sales figures then?

I kind of think Beelzebub could do better with Ultimate Stilt-Man with that kind of arrangement, but whatever floats your cauldron. If it's Ally McSheHulk until another Marvel writer can get a chance then patience will just have to be a virtue.

[comic_lover]

Dan Slott (a.k.a. "The Great Satan") here-- just sayin' "Hi."

Well, Ma (Mrs. Satan) always said, "No publicity is bad publicity."

So? What's all the fuss about this SHE-HULK book? (I mean, we've heard the buzz even all the way down here in the fiery depths of Hades.)

Well, from what we devil-spawn understand, it's a book about a second-tier character...

...that both Aint It Cool News and Wizard have called "The Best Book Marvel is Putting Out."...

...that creators around the web (from Gail Simone here at CBR, Brian K. Vaughan over at BKTV, to Brian Michael Bendis over at Jinxworld) profess to "LOVE"...

...that earned "Best of 2004" nods from over 20 sites and blogs in their year end wrap ups...

...that had BOTH of its TPBs (still on sale-- both on your surface world, and down here in the eternal pits of d*mnation) place in TOP 20 spots-- AND even earned a recommendation by the New York Times!

;)

Thumping my chest a little too much? H*ll yeah! I'm VERY proud of this title and the work that the entire creative team has put into it!
So, if you've followed my writing over at DC, in ARKHAM ASYLUM: LIVING HELL or BATMAN ADVENTURES-- or recently discovered my stuff at Marvel in SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH or GLA, let me just say this:

SHE-HULK is my favorite.

It's a labor a' love. And we're gearing up for a whole new series this OCTOBER. So nothing would please me more if you gave this book a fair shake!

So? If you want to see why the critics, top name pros, and a devout readership of over 23K love it...

...or why a comic fan like SuperJ is so incensed by it, he's willing to make the leap and push me BEYOND Hitler-status to full-blown-Satan-status...

...then why not try out TWO WHOLE ISSUES of SHE-HULK for FREE?

That's right! Without spendin' one red cent, you can read ALL of SHE-HULK #5 online, right here:

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/shehulk5/

AND you can read ALL of SHE-HULK #8 online, right here:

http://www.marvel.com/dotcomics/index.htm

And if you like 'em, you can check out BOTH of the SHE-HULK TPBs (SHE-HULK: SINGLE GREEN FEMALE and SHE-HULK: SUPERHUMAN LAW) which are still on sale at your local comic shop and bookstores everywhere. These will get you caught up on SHE-HULK #1 through #12.

But, have no fear. If you'd rather wait and check out the ALL NEW SHE-HULK #1 in October, that's cool too-- it promises to be a good jumping on point for new readers.

It's a FUN comic that-- in an age of constant 6-part stories-- tells LOTS of self-contained issues, with the ocassional 2-part and 3-part story thrown into the mix. Why, in our first dozen issues, we told over SEVEN stories!Pretty Satanic, huh?

Anyway... have to go back to work before my pitchfork gets too dull. :)
ttyl
Dan

p.s.
Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!Yeah,and you didn't have to wipe out the Avengers ! God,what a smart ass.I love this guy ! :D

[Dan_Slott]

Yeah,and you didn't have to wipe out the Avengers ! God,what a smart ass.I love this guy ! :D

Oh, if ONLY I could take credit for wiping out the Avengers! Then my Satanic powers would grow all the more! Sadly, though, that was some OTHER pointy-tailed fellow at Marvel. Curses!

So the only thing different about the SH rehash (or relaunch if you prefer) is that it will probably go on much longer due to some deal you have going with Marvel guaranteeing the book will be published regardless of sales figures then?

I kind of think Beelzebub could do better with Ultimate Stilt-Man with that kind of arrangement, but whatever floats your cauldron. If it's Ally McSheHulk until another Marvel writer can get a chance then patience will just have to be a virtue.

Ah! See the fiery passions this book raises in the one called "SuperJ"? Watch as he continues to fan the flames-- and spread the word of my demonic works! What a powerful tome this thrice-d*mned SHE-HULK book must be! Do ye dare TRY OUT TWO ISSUES FOR FREE to see what hath irked him so? Do ye dare enter the very PORTALS OF H*LL?

(Seriously. Check it out. TWO ISSUES FOR FREE. Won't cost you a single cent.)

Read ALL of SHE-HULK #5 online, right here:

http://www.milehighcomics.com/first...arvel/shehulk5/

Read ALL of SHE-HULK #8 online, right here:

http://www.marvel.com/dotcomics/index.htm

Will they cause you to froth, rave, and travel from message board-to-message board decrying SHE-HULK'S Satan-filled-eviltude?

Or will it cast you in its spell-- like the poor Ms. Gail Simone-- turning you into one of its loyal minions?

Click on yon links and BEWAAAAARE!
tttyl
Dan (SuperJ's Own Personal Satan) Slott

p.s.
Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA!

[Artemis1]

Mephisto by far. Then Dormammu.

[Fresco]

There are so many books out there-- at least a few have to be appealing on some level to everyone (if they are into comics... even just a little). Why not congregate where others of similar interests discuss their favorites all the live long day?

Seems it would be easier, and less insulting-- to simply ignore the titles one cares very little for. I just never understood why some people feel the burning desire vocalize so much negativity towards someone and/or their work.

True Dan Slott is SATAN... (just kidding Dan)

why not give the new book a chance, before condemning it outright
--before it even comes out? :confused:

[Gaz]

Yeah,and you didn't have to wipe out the Avengers ! God,what a smart ass.I love this guy ! :D
OK, him and McKeever are competing for "Most Shameless Self-Promoter That Lives Up To Hype!" :D
(And why not #4, Dan? Best issue so far!)

[PerfectBrak]

Dan Slott (a.k.a. "The Great Satan") here-- just sayin' "Hi."


Just saying hi? Sure Satan, like I believe that. Go back to the fires of h-e-double hockey sticks and write more She-Hulk that your deliciously evil humor makes me buy.

:D

[RabidWolfe]

If Dan Slott is wrong, I don't want to be right. :)

[Backblast]

It's a FUN comic that-- in an age of constant 6-part stories-- tells LOTS of self-contained issues, with the ocassional 2-part and 3-part story thrown into the mix. Why, in our first dozen issues, we told over SEVEN stories!Pretty Satanic, huh?

Thank God for that, Satan! :p

She-Hulk is dearly missed from my monthly fix of funnybooks. Can't wait for it to be back. GLA kicked ass in the meanwhile.

In addition to what the author said, and at the risk of alienating the trolls ... I'd like to add that the She-Hulk TPBs are really good gifts for females, if you know any. People who might like to read comics but don't know a place to start can do a lot worse than those two volumes.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Sorry, but She-hulk is the worst written, least funny "comedy" book I have ever seen.
It seems that not even Satan can conjure up good superhero stories.
Maybe he will have to make a pact with some even older Demonic entity in order to create a better She-hulk book.

[Dan_Slott]

Sorry, but She-hulk is the worst written, least funny "comedy" book I have ever seen.
It seems that not even Satan can conjure up good superhero stories.
Maybe he will have to make a pact with some even older Demonic entity in order to create a better She-hulk book.

Yes! ChildOfTheDarkholde is correct! 'Twas with powers most Satanic didst I summon up these baseless accolades! Through pacts most foul didst I coax and coerce BEST OF 2004 honors from THESE sites and over 20 blogs! For only the devil could sway these poor mortal minds to actually LIKE such an unsavory title...

http://www.paperbackreader.com/columns/rest-story/122004_restofthestory.htm

http://www.herorealm.com/features/comcul123004.htm

http://www.thefourthrail.com/features/0105/bestof2004partone.shtml

http://www.popcultureshock.com/features.php?id=883

http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/article.php?contentid=31247

http://www.thecomicfanatic.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=585&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

http://www.comixtreme.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14943

http://www.comicreaders.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1247

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/comics101/index.html

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/columnists/franklinharris/041223.shtml

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/kshb/entertainment/article/0,1925,KSHB_9403_3415113,00.html

http://www.ugo.com/channels/comics/features/hannibaltabu/smackdown2004/default.asp

Mwa-ha-ha-ha! The Satanic reign of SHE-HULK continues!

*ahem*

Sorry, whenever Burgos (ChildofTheDarkholde) does this, I like to respond with the team's list o' accolades. It's just a thing I do for him and his pal, SuperJ. Petty? Yeah. Prideful? You bet. But then again... I am SATAN! I mean WHY ELSE would I let you know that AINT IT COOL NEWS says that SHE-HULK is "The best comic Marvel publishes today"? Or that the 4TH RAIL has called it, "One of the best new series to come from Marvel in the past ten years." Or that WIZARD declared every SINGLE issue either a HOT PICK or PICK OF THE MONTH? Or... well... you get the picture.

Look, do Bendis or Millar do this when their trolls go around the net spreadin' the hate? No. Those guys are pros of the highest calibre... and me, I'm a bit of a carnival barker (a SATANIC carnival barker!). I freely admit it!

But here's the thing: SHE-HULK ain't doing NEW AVENGERS or ULTIMATES numbers. This is a book about a third tier character which (no matter how much I love her-- or how much I pushed to get a chance to write about her adventures)... is NOT a big draw.

This is a book that got launched in a sea of over half a dozen other Marvel titles (IRON FIST, ALPHA FLIGHT, CAPTAIN AMERICA & THE FALCON, CABLE/DEADPOOL and others...). It really didn't get much of a push-- and had to EARN its buzz FROM critical praise and word of mouth.

And on top of THAT, this is a book that came out of the gate with a group of detractors primed to shoot it down. Among these was a Yahoo Group that (I kid you not) tried to start a letter writing campaign to get the book killed before it EVEN SAW PRINT. And, surprise, two of the members of that group were ChildofTheDarkholde & SuperJ. So, please excuse me if I take their criticism a little lightly and like to poke fun at it-- namely by throwing out looooooong lists of links like this.

Look, in the end, everyone working on SHE-HULK is deeply passionate about putting out the BEST comic we can. Many long nights, revisions, and jam sessions go into this. Issues are packed-to-the-gills with as MUCH story as we can fit in there. In an age of 6 part stories (some of which still end with huge "to be continued" threads), we're giving you one, two, and three part stories. We're exploring ALL of the Marvel Universe. We're honoring continuity. And we're trying to bring back a sense of FUN! In short, we're giving you our all!

Truth be told, I can only handle 2 or so books a month. And if SHE-HULK went away, it would free me up to work on "higher profile" projects. But that's NOT what I want. I LOVE working on this book! Seriously-- if you've been following ANY of my work-- whether its ARKHAM ASYLUM: LIVING HELL, BATMAN ADVENTURES, SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH, GLA-- please know THIS: SHE-HUK is my FAVORITE! Swear to God, I'll keep doing this book as long as Marvel will let me!

And, luckily for me, there are some BIG supporters of this book on staff!
In fact, Marvel has enough faith in this title that they're relaunching it in October with a new #1, a big push, and some lovely Greg Horn covers. We've got a "secret weapon" in our opening story that should (hopefully) make this title a MUST BUY. But in the end, it all comes down to YOUR personal taste.

And everybody's entitled to that. Even SuperJ and ChildofTheDarkholde. I just hope that you see that if I'm passionate enough to support SHE-HULK this fervently-- and THEY'RE passionate enough to slam it so fervently-- that MAYBE there's something there that you should check out...

So, here, why NOT try 2 whole issues of SHE-HULK for FREE? Right here, right now. (Please go down to my sig for the links). Check 'em out and see what's causin' all the fuss. :)

Hope you like 'em!

ttyl
Dan

[Huzzah!]

Dan Slott (a.k.a. "The Great Satan") here-- just sayin' "Hi."

Well, Ma (Mrs. Satan) always said, "No publicity is bad publicity."

So? What's all the fuss about this SHE-HULK book? (I mean, we've heard the buzz even all the way down here in the fiery depths of Hades.)

Well, from what we devil-spawn understand, it's a book about a second-tier character...

...that both Aint It Cool News and Wizard have called "The Best Book Marvel is Putting Out."...

Couple of things. FIrst GLA is friggin awesome and has convinced me to check out some of your other stuff...most probable those free pages you posted. Your response to critics is very class, not unlike say a Chris Claremont.

That being said, most of your such and such likes are fine and dandy.

But aint it cool news and wizard? Eww. ;)

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Yes! ChildOfTheDarkholde is correct! 'Twas with powers most Satanic didst I summon up these baseless accolades! Through pacts most foul didst I coax and coerce BEST OF 2004 honors from THESE sites and over 20 blogs! For only the devil could sway these poor mortal minds to actually LIKE such an unsavory title...

LOL!
Yeah, the devil is at work here...all kinds of demonic activity has got to be brewing, clowding the judgement of otherwise sensible mortals, why would they find hilarity in tired jokes and situations straight out of a long-forgotten Fox dramedy?
Why would they find thrills in a superhero comic devoid of superheroics or decent action scenes?

It's gotta be the Devil...Yes,that Duke Of Deceit, that Prince Of Darkness, that Father Of Lies...
:D
(cue the awesome incidental "devil" music from The Omen;cue more postings of the "accolades" the She-hulk has received from bloggers,online comic sites and even The New York Times ;)

[Dan_Slott]

(cue in the posting of She-Hulk's list of accolades again, Dan) ;)

I'd post more, but the last time Burgos (ChildOfTheDarkholde) responded to one of those lists-- a list of over 20 blogs that gave SHE-HULK "BEST OF 2004" honors-- Mr. Burgos accused me of "making up fake blogs."

Obviously, one of my Satanic "powers" includes going back in time and forcing blogs into existence BEFORE the SHE-HULK book was even announced. :) So, neilalien.com, postmodernbarney.com, tomthedog.blogspot.com, thelowroad.blogspot.com, veryunnecessary.com, spatulaforum.blogspot.com, and many many many others-- sorry but Tom Burgos believes you're all figments of my Satanic imagination. Sorry.

*sigh*

Sadly, even being in PRINT doesn't help-- when magazines like NewTypeUSA and 2000 AD-- and even local papers from Illinois to Texas-- have gone out of their way to praise the book-- Burgos has emphatically stated that he doesn't care! For him, it just doesn't matter HOW well the book is received. In fact one time on another message board, Burgos went on to say that if the SHE-HULK book was SO good, why wasn't it being written up in the New York Times?

And guess what? IT WAS! December 15th, 2004! (Do my Satanic powers know no bounds?!)

Thankfully, though, Burgos was able to stay the course-- and continue his Holy Crusade against this Satanic Tome. I mean, how dare SHE-HULK accomplish one of his ludicrous criteria? God bless him! Stay the course, valiant and virtuous smiter of false-comics! Keep up the good fight!

Look, even though I am Satan-- I appreciate that everyone's entitled to their opinions. Burgos is entitled to his. I'm entitled to mine...

...and YOU should be entitled to yours! So why not check out 2 issues of SHE-HULK for FREE and make up your own mind? See my sig for the links.

:)

ttyl
Dan

[Harold of the Rocks]

I think it is most cool that a writer would even think to subject themselves to the drivel that is these forums (and of course I contribute to the insanity)! I really disapprove of the bashing of creators that takes place here (just be thankful you ain't Liefield!). I think anyone who has to carry the mantle of beloved heroes and create new stories for them is sticking their neck out... and too many fanboys (no disrespect fangirls... it's just a name) have sharpened ther axes and are waiting for the slightest misstep. I say let creators create, that is their job. If everyone brought the same thing to the table, it would be one boring-ass picnic. That said, I am not a huge fan of yours. I just have different tastes, that's all. Keep doin' what you do, because it is the variety offered that makes the whole damn thing work. Something tells me you will be able to sleep tonight with the knowledge that Harold of the Rocks is not your biggest fan. And I will sleep (more like pass out) just fine knowing that you will go on creating comics that I may or may not read. No dis intended at all, on the contrary, don't be discouraged (you don't seem to be) by the naysayers. My take on the critics (of any writer or artist) is basically "Oh yeah, what have you done! Could you do it better? Could you even get a job at Marvel? Show me, don't tell me!". So with that I have to say, you've proven yourself to be a valued commodity in this industry. Don't worry about the naysayers. You're energies are better spent on the people who appreciate you.

Peace.

- Harold.

;)

[Harold of the Rocks]

Just for the record, I voted for Dormammu. Almost voted for Bendis, because the question was who is your favorite... but I didn't want people to think that I hate Bendis. I'm one of those sickos who happens to like the stuff he's doing. Anywho, Dormammu is pretty f'n kewl. Hell (pun definitely intended), I'd vote for him ahead of our current president. Mainly because I'm not sure if he is from Hell or not. But I know G.W. is...

;)

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

I think it is most cool that a writer would even think to subject themselves to the drivel that is these forums (and of course I contribute to the insanity)! I really disapprove of the bashing of creators that takes place here (just be thankful you ain't Liefield!). I think anyone who has to carry the mantle of beloved heroes and create new stories for them is sticking their neck out... and too many fanboys (no disrespect fangirls... it's just a name) have sharpened ther axes and are waiting for the slightest misstep.


I agree.
Just take a look at this thread...two Marvel creators are being equated with Satan, and nobody seems to bat an eye, but then other Marvel names get mentioned in that same joking manner, and all hell breaks loose (no pun intended)



...and YOU should be entitled to yours! So why not check out 2 issues of SHE-HULK for FREE and make up your own mind? See my sig for the links.

:)

ttyl
Dan


:D
You never disappoint, "Satan"...
(Well, except when it comes to actually writing good comics...or making them become top sellers, but that's another matter... ;) )

[Dan_Slott]

I think it is most cool that a writer would even think to subject themselves to the drivel that is these forums (and of course I contribute to the insanity)! I really disapprove of the bashing of creators that takes place here (just be thankful you ain't Liefield!). I think anyone who has to carry the mantle of beloved heroes and create new stories for them is sticking their neck out... and too many fanboys (no disrespect fangirls... it's just a name) have sharpened ther axes and are waiting for the slightest misstep. I say let creators create, that is their job.

Thank you, sir. I think most people get that. That this is my job-- and like most people I take great pride in my work. I'm invested-- and I like to come on the boards, interact with readers, and actually seek out fan involvement-- what kinds of guest stars or bad guys people would want to see in the book and whatnot. I think it makes it more fun.

The only problem is that there seems to be too many trolls out there with nothing better to do with their time then to spoil the party and slam books-- even ones that they're NOT reading. It's bizarre.

There's this ONE guy, for example, who in a thread for GLA #1 said that he wasn't going to buy the book-- something he said AGAIN in threads for GLA #2 and #3. And yet he STILL continues to show up for EVERY GLA thread and makes FREQUENT posts knocking the book-- a book he's NOT reading. Instead he guesses about what happens by reading OTHER peoples' posts and slams the book for those reasons. I guess after that he goes to other sites and reviews movies he hasn't seen...

Maybe it's an attention thing? Maybe he just needs a hug? I dunno. It's just weird is all.

Anyway, thanks for chiming in Harold. Sorry my books don't do it for ya. But, I'm glad you see that a market place with LOTS of diverse books is good for everybody. Very open minded of you, sir! Outside of Y:THE LAST MAN, I really can't get into the Vertigo line. But I know lots of people who read ONLY Vertigo books. And that's cool! Won't see me knocking them. To each his own, right? I mean, it's not like there ARE "Satanic" books out there-- leaping off of the racks and inflicting harm and paper cuts to people? Or are there.... (cue the spooky Slasher-film music...)

:D
You never disappoint, "Satan"...
(Well, except when it comes to actually writing good comics...but that's another matter... ;) )

How odd. Because YOUR favorite writer, Brian Michael Bendis, has said over the internet radio (FanboyRadio) that he enjoys the SHE-HULK book, in print (in Wizard) that he thinks the SHE-HULK book was one of the great surprises to come out of Marvel, and online at his site (Jinxworld) that he "LOVES" the SHE-HULK book.

Bizarre. He must be under my Satanic powers too...

Odd, because I was aiming my magical zap at Mark Millar at the time...

Anyhoo, you have to figure that if Burgos (ChildofTheDarkholde) is SO driven to hate the book, that it's gotta be striking SOME kinda chord-- after all as Pa (Satan Sr.) was fond of saying-- "If you're not offending SOMEBODY, you're doing something wrong."

So? Why not make up your own mind and check out 2 entire issues of SHE-HULK for free? (See my sig for the links)

ttyl
Dan

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

How odd. Because YOUR favorite writer, Brian Michael Bendis, has said over the internet radio (FanboyRadio) that he enjoys the SHE-HULK book, in print (in Wizard) that he thinks the SHE-HULK book was one of the great surprises to come out of Marvel, and online at his site (Jinxworld) that he "LOVES" the SHE-HULK book.

I know...poor Bendis...he has been controlled by your powers.... :)
At least you haven't corrupted his ability to write good comics that actually thrill and give fans pulse-pounding action and superheroics...you know, the kind of stuff She-hulk doesn't have.
(and I wonder if his books selling so well had to do with him selling his soul to ole Satan, Sr...?
Nah...otherwise, GLA, She-hulk and especially Spider-Man/Human Torch, would sell that well also... ;)

[Jared_Humpherys]

How odd. Because YOUR favorite writer, Brian Michael Bendis, has said over the internet radio (FanboyRadio) that he enjoys the SHE-HULK book, in print (in Wizard) that he thinks the SHE-HULK book was one of the great surprises to come out of Marvel, and online at his site (Jinxworld) that he "LOVES" the SHE-HULK book.

Bizarre. He must be under my Satanic powers too...

Odd, because I was aiming my magical zap at Jeph Loeb at the time...

Anyhoo, you have to figure that if Burgos (ChildofTheDarkholde) is SO driven to hate the book, that it's gotta be striking SOME kinda chord-- after all as Pa (Satan Sr.) was fond of saying-- "If you're not offending SOMEBODY, you're doing something wrong."

So? Why not make up your own mind and check out 2 entire issues of SHE-HULK for free? (See my sig for the links)

ttyl
Dan

Hi Dan! Loving GLA(though if anything is evident of your satanic mind, it's killing Monkey Joe. EVIL, I say!)

After reading the two free comics, I have to say: okay, I'll buy the tpbs, and give the next volume a go. The escape in #5 was one of the best breakouts I've ever seen in comics. Very well thought out. And I love the puns.

So congrats, your satanic prowess seems to have won you another dark disciple.

[Huzzah!]

Outside of Y:THE LAST MAN, I really can't get into the Vertigo line. But I know lots of people who read ONLY Vertigo books. And that's cool! Won't see me knocking them.


Y is mostly the only vertigo i like. All the other sandman type stuff doesnt do anything for me. Have you tried Fables though? Its quite solid. I havent read it in a while, cant get every comic, but the first 25 or so issues i got are very good.


And if you do have hex powers over Bendis make him step down so you can write new avengers. Nothing against him, but GLA is the best avengers book
out there right now.

[Dan_Slott]

(and I wonder if his books selling so well had to do with him selling his soul to ole Satan, Sr...?
Nah...otherwise, GLA, She-hulk and especially Spider-Man/Human Torch, would sell that well also...

Odd... Is this the SAME Burgos (ChildofTheDarkholde) that goes onto threads about DC's MANHUNTER and claims that low sales SHOULDN'T take away from a book? (BTW, Andreyko's MANHUNTER is an EXCELLENT book and everyone should pick up. Here, let me try one a' my magic whammies... *Satan commands you!* Here, I'll punctuate it with a spooky ghost sound: Oooooooohhhhh! There, now pick up MANHUNTER already. :) ).

Oh, and BTW, does it matter that the SHE-HULK TPBS kick serious @$$ in sales? Both placing in the Top 20! (And beating out TPBS for JLA, PUNISHER, DAREDEVIL, and other top tier properties! Not bad for She-Hulk, huh?). Guess the ol' whammy was working on THOSE days, right?

Hi Dan! Loving GLA(though if anything is evident of your satanic mind, it's killing Monkey Joe. EVIL, I say!)

The evil continues and CONCLUDES next month! (Seriously though, just read a complete copy yesterday-- and I have to say this is some of the best penciling, inking, and coloring I have EVER seen coming from Paul, Rick, and Wil! I swear, they are REALLY firing on all cylanders on this book! And, MAN, do I envy Tony Bedard when the entire GLA art team moves over to his EXILES book! That book is going to ROCK! Tony called me up last week and told me some of the future storylines... DAMN! I'm telling you, kids-- you heard it here first-- THIS is going to be THE X-BOOK to read!)

After reading the two free comics, I have to say: okay, I'll buy the tpbs, and give the next volume a go. The escape in #5 was one of the best breakouts I've ever seen in comics. Very well thought out. And I love the puns.

Thank you VERY much, sir!

So congrats, your satanic prowess seems to have won you another dark disciple.

Mwa ha ha ha HA HA!

My plan is working! Quick Burgos, help me! POST! We have to keep the buzz going! More and more innocent pawns are being drawn into my Satanic grasp! We must continue to keep this thread ALIVE! ALIVE!! ALIIIIIIVE!!!

*ahem*
ttyl
Dan

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Odd... Is this the SAME Burgos (ChildofTheDarkholde) that goes onto threads about DC's MANHUNTER and claims that low sales SHOULDN'T take away from a book?

It shouldn't...when it's a well-written book, as opposed to a warmed-over Ally McBeal...
"She-hulk" doesn't even come close to MANHUNTER...Andreyko is weaving a fantastic tale of suspense, action and thrills...not to mention that he created a female protagonist that is absolutely kickass...flawed, smart, sometimes confident sometimes insecure, powerful, and the book has actual action and humor that doesn't assume or imply his readers are fratboys(and his book doesn't take potshots at its readers either ;) ...
His book's sales are so undeserving; She-hulk tanking was the only natural thing to happen to a book as bad as that.

But if you can do anything with your powers to make MANHUNTER become a hit (I guess your powers don't work on your own books), I would really appreciate it.
The book, the writer and his readers all deserve Manhunter to become a smash hit of New Avengers (yes, that Bendis ROCKS) proportions. :D

[Dan_Slott]

It shouldn't...when it's a well-written book, as opposed to a warmed-over Ally McBeal...
"She-hulk" doesn't even come close to MANHUNTER...

His book's sales are so undeserving; She-hulk tanking was the only natural thing to happen to a book as bad as that.

But if you can do anything with your powers to make MANHUNTER become a hit (I guess your powers don't work on your own books), I would really appreciate it.
The book, the writer and his readers all deserve Manhunter to become a smash hit of New Avengers (yes, that Bendis ROCKS) proportions. :D

And, hey, did you know that Andreyko is ALSO a fan of the SHE-HULK book? Never met the man myself. But he wrote a message to me-- out of the blue-- to say how much he was digging the book! Heck, he even suggested we join forces and do a SHE-HULK/MANHUNTER crossover! Nice guy.

How odd... Your favorite writers, Bendis and Andreyko both hype up the book. Small world, huh? Or maybe it's just more of my SATANIC POWERS! Oooooohhhhh!

Seriously, now. I'm a guy who does this for a living-- who has a vested interest in putting out the BEST comic possible. So... Yeah, I'm gonna be on the web promoting my book.

But JUST imagine, if a FAN is SO incensed by a Marvel Comic-- a book that as far as the bulk of his posts go-- he only ever cites things from the 1st issue-- from a YEAR ago last March-- well... Maybe THAT'S a book you've got to check out!

Why not read 2 entire issues for FREE? Just click on the links in my sig.
ttyl
Dan

[The Mirrorball Man]

I voted for Dormammu. An objectivist's version of Satan? That's pure evil. :D

[Jared_Humpherys]

I voted for Doom. After all, Reed himself said that if Doom spent much time in Hell, he'd soon be running it. :)

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

And, hey, did you know that Andreyko is ALSO a fan of the SHE-HULK book? Never met the man myself. But he wrote a message to me-- out of the blue-- to say how much he was digging the book! Heck, he even suggested we join forces and do a SHE-HULK/MANHUNTER crossover! Nice guy.

How odd... Your favorite writers, Bendis and Andreyko both hype up the book. Small world, huh? Or maybe it's just more of my SATANIC POWERS! Oooooohhhhh!



Or maybe it's professional courtesy? ;)
(as long as Andreyko and Bendis don't take "writing" tips from you, I'll be ok with their amazing work... :D

[Dan_Slott]

Or maybe it's professional courtesy? ;)
(as long as Andreyko and Bendis don't take "writing" tips from you, I'll be ok with their amazing work... :D

I think you're grasping there, Burgos. After all, Mr. Andreyko went out of his way to message me. The guy didn't know me from Adam-- so he musta' really dug the stuff to go that extra mile. And Mr. Bendis has been nice enough to plug the book multiple time-- w/o ANY provocation. Heck, he was the one who brought it up in a Wizard round table about what Marvel was doing right.

And seriously, what does a guy who posts on and on and on-- slamming a book he doesn't even read-- know about courtesy? (Wait... let me do one of your cute emoticons... 'cause that'll make this cute instead of obnoxious... How' bout green-grinning-guy... Yeah, that seems right)... :D

And, HEY! Look at those time stamps! You've been slamming this book online for 2 hours straight! And on a beautiful Saturday morning to boot!

I mean, this's my work. I do it for a living-- it pays my rent and provides me with healthcare and whatnot. But just think, if a fan like Burgos (ChildoftheDarkholde) is willing to eat up 2 prime hours of Summer Sun to decry the Satanic Evils of this SHE-HULK book...

...if one LONE book can get him worked up to make SUCH a sacrifice...

...don't you even want to take a peek at it? Jus' a li'l tiny peek? Well? Why not read TWO ENTIRE ISSUES for FREE? You game? Just click on the links in my sig.

ttyl
Dan

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Wow! Look at those time stamps! You've been slamming this book online for 2 hours straight! And on a beautiful Saturday morning to boot!


Trust me, I read enough issues of the series (six in total, ugh...) to know how crappy the book is.

And as for the "two hours spent online slamming the book" comment:
LMAO!!!
double LMAO!!!
you have been right here with me every step of the way(look at your timestamps)...I guess we are both wasting a beautiful Saturday morning in front of a computer... and what's worst,talking about a book that's not really worth it,don'tcha tink? :D

See ya later, and have a wonderful day.... :)

[Dan_Slott]

LMAO!!!
And you have been right here with me every step of the way(look at your timestamps)... I guess we are both wasting a beautiful Saturday morning in front of a computer... talking about a book that's not really worth it,don'tcha tink?

Well... One of us writes the book for a living and is going around the web promoting it, e-mailing back and forth w/ an editor, and PM'ing back and forth with fans-- answering their questions about the book.

And... one of us has been trolling about the book... which, according to the examples they've brought up in the posts, they haven't actually READ past the 1st issue...

Trust me, I read enough issues of the series (six in total, ugh...) to know how crappy the book is.

(Edit: Really? Because in your posts-- here and on other boards-- you only cite examples from #1? But, hey-- all the power to you. Guess the book was good enough for you to follow it for half of a year though, right? :) I mean, if you took a sip of milk that had gone bad-- you wouldn't KEEP drinking it, right? And what kind of sadist would go back and drink from that carton FIVE more times? Ah well, to each their own...)

As for MY day? Not wasting it at all, sir. Really. Satanic jokes aside, there've been no blood pacts or soul-selling to get me here. I've worked VERY hard to become a writer for Marvel. And this was the FIRST monthly book that I pitched-- coming off of the hype from ARKHAM ASYLUM LIVING HELL. Out of EVERYTHING I could have done for Marvel or DC-- THIS SHE-HULK book was my first choice! And I've put a LOT of time and a LOT of LOVE into it.

So spending such a nice day in front of this computer-- working on and promoting a book I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT? That's not a waste at all, sir. It's something positive and constructive. And, hey, thanks to our little online back and forth-- (according to this thread AND some PMs)-- I got some people to check out the book-- they LIKED what they saw-- and they're going to pick up at LEAST the first TPB-- and in SOME cases BOTH of 'em.

So...

Thanks, Tom! We GOTTA do this again some time! Really!
;)

ttyl
Dan

BTW... Why NOT try out 2 issues of SHE-HULK for FREE? All of SHE-HULK #5 and #8 are online! Just click on the links in my sig!
CU!

[Jared_Humpherys]

Well... One of us writes the book for a living and is going around the web promoting it, e-mailing back and forth w/ an editor, and PM'ing back and forth with fans-- answering their questions about the book.

And... one of us has been trolling about the book... which, according to the examples they've brought up in the posts, they haven't actually READ past the 1st issue...



(Edit: Really? Because in your posts-- here and on other boards-- you only cite examples from #1? But, hey? All the power to you. Guess the book was good enough for you to follow it for half of a year though, right? :) I mean, if you took a sip of milk that had gone bad-- you wouldn't KEEP drinking it, right? And what kind of sadist would go back and drink from that carton FIVE more times? Ah well, to each their own...)

As for MY day? Not wasting it at all, sir. Really. Satanic jokes aside, there've been no blood pacts or soul-selling to get me here. I've worked VERY hard to become a writer for Marvel. And this was the FIRST monthly book that I pitched-- coming off of the hype from ARKHAM ASYLUM LIVING HELL. Out of EVERYTHING I could have done for Marvel or DC-- THIS SHE-HULK book was my first choice! And I've put a LOT of time and a LOT of LOVE into it.

So spending such a nice day in front of this computer-- working on and promoting a book I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT? That's not a waste at all, sir. It's something positive and constructive. And, hey, thanks to our little online back and forth-- (according to this thread AND some PMs)-- I've got some people to check out the book-- they LIKED what they saw-- and they're going to pick up at LEAST the first TPB, and in SOME cases TWO.

So...

Thanks, Tom! We GOTTA do this again some time! Really!
;)

ttyl
Dan

BTW... Why NOT try out 2 issues of SHE-HULK for FREE? All of SHE-HULK #5 and #8 are online! Just click on the links in my sig!
CU!


The fact that you're willing to do GLA and She-Hulk as a labor of love when you could be doing books with more easily sellable characters says a lot to me. That fact that you're willing to defend yourself and your work so politely from those who seem to be putting a lot of effort into putting you down(and anwering PMs from fans too? Cool!) also says a lot.

Oh, hey, any reccomendations on where to buy the two tpbs? So far, my best option seems to be ebay or amazon...

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

So spending such a nice day in front of this computer-- working on and promoting a book I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT? That's not a waste at all, sir. It's something positive and constructive. And, hey, thanks to our little online back and forth-- (according to this thread AND some PMs)-- I got some people to check out the book-- they LIKED what they saw-- and they're going to pick up at LEAST the first TPB-- and in SOME cases BOTH of 'em.
So...
Thanks, Tom! We GOTTA do this again some time! Really!
;)

ttyl
Dan

I don't begrudge you for promoting a book you MAKE A LIVING WITH.
That's cool. But thank God She-Hulk is your favoritEST, MOSTEST, BESTEST character ever...I would hate to see what you'd do to it if you disliked her.
And let us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys ;) express our distaste for your She-Who.
It's what us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys do, right, "Grasshopper"? :D

[Dan_Slott]

I don't begrudge you for promoting a book you MAKE A LIVING WITH.
That's cool. But thank God She-Hulk is your favoritEST, MOSTEST, BESTEST character ever...I would hate to see what you'd do to it if you disliked her.
And let us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys ;) express our distaste for your She-Who.
It's what us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys do, right, "Grasshopper"? :D

Aaaaaand we've crossed the 2 hour mark. Ta da! Wow... can really feel the hate burning offa THAT one! Which is weeeeeeird. Because you're striking the same kinda tone that ticks you off when YOU'RE defending Bendis from Bendis-Bashers on Bendis threads. Spooky.

As for the "Grasshopper" bit... Geez... Bang a new drum already. For those of you who don't know what Mr. Burgos is on about-- In GLA #1, a character makes disparaging remarks about comic book fanboys. The things he says are very predictable-- and play to that kind of Simpson's-Comic-Book-Guy/Eltingville-Club stereotype we've ALL heard and seen before. But THEN in GLA #3, there's a role-reversal where Big Bertha (another GLA'er) gives practically the SAME speech about comic book WRITERS. It's basically a pot-calling-the-kettle-black bit. And, yes, the description Big Bertha gives in GLA #3 fits me to a proverbial "T".

When we were working on the book (which is ALL done now-- and BOY, does the last issue look GREAT!), Paul read the opening scene for GLA #1 and told me that we were going to take SOOOO much cr@p for the Grasshopper dialogue. And I told him, hey-- it'll pay off in GLA #3 with the Big Bertha bit. To which Paul (very wisely) reminded me-- that there'd be a 2 month gap for people to get offended and stew. And to THIS I replied-- yeah, but all of the people who'll get bent outta shape over it are the kinda' thin-skinned whiners who can't take a joke in the first place-- so who cares?

*ahem*

Okay... Now on to something nice, that makes all of this worth it...

The fact that you're willing to do GLA and She-Hulk as a labor of love when you could be doing books with more easily sellable characters says a lot to me. That fact that you're willing to defend yourself and your work so politely from those who seem to be putting a lot of effort into putting you down(and anwering PMs from fans too? Cool!) also says a lot.

Oh, hey, any reccomendations on where to buy the two tpbs? So far, my best option seems to be ebay or amazon...

Thanks, sir! As for where you can find the book?

Amazon's a good bet. I've also seen it at Local Comic Shops, Borders, Barnes & Nobles, and Virgin Mega Stores. (Though I'd call ahead to see if they have them in stock! The sell-through on these books have been pretty darn good!).

Their titles are:

SHE-HULK: SINGLE GREEN FEMALE (This is the 1st TPB, collecting #1 through #6)

and

SHE-HULK: SUPERHUMAN LAW (The 2nd TPB, collecting #7 through #12).

Again, thanks for the kind words!
ttyl
Dan

[The Mirrorball Man]

And let us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys ;) express our distaste for your She-Who.
It's what us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys do, right, "Grasshopper"?
Oh my. Aren't we the King of Hyperbole? :p

[Jared_Humpherys]

I don't begrudge you for promoting a book you MAKE A LIVING WITH.
That's cool. But thank God She-Hulk is your favoritEST, MOSTEST, BESTEST character ever...I would hate to see what you'd do to it if you disliked her.
And let us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys ;) express our distaste for your She-Who.
It's what us poor, miserable, smelly fanboys do, right, "Grasshopper"? :D

Admittedly, I haven't spoken much to Mr. Slott, nor have I met him in person. However, I 've heard him express that the opinions of Grasshopper in GLA did not reflect his personal feelings on fanboys. Additionally, I have a difficult time reconciling the view you seem to have about Slott's negativity with "poor, miserable, smelly fanboys" with the gentleman who has been nothing but polite to myself, other posters on this board, and even yourself.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Admittedly, I haven't spoken much to Mr. Slott, nor have I met him in person. However, I 've heard him express that the opinions of Grasshopper in GLA did not reflect his personal feelings on fanboys. Additionally, I have a difficult time reconciling the view you seem to have about Slott's negativity with "poor, miserable, smelly fanboys" with the gentleman who has been nothing but polite to myself, other posters on this board, and even yourself.

Wait a sec: I have never called Dan Slott "negative" or whatnot.
And I have never even implied he is NOT polite.
And he knows for a fact, (YOU KNOW IT DAN, DON'T DENY IT :D ) that these silly "fights" we engage once in a while never EVER become personal attacks.
Sure, we both get a little riled up, with or without reason, but we both remain as far as I have seen, polite and we have never insulted each other, right Dan?
(at least never personally...)
I hate his writing sure , BUT I have nothing bad or negative to say about Dan, the person...
And in the same way I would defend Bendis or Andreyko if I read people getting personal (especially with Bendis...he has been called everything, from ASS**** to bastard by people who don't like his writing), Dan knows that I have actually expressed my dislike for some people calling him names.

[Jared_Humpherys]

Wait a sec: I have never called Dan Slott "negative" or whatnot.
And I have never even implied he is NOT polite.
And he knows for a fact, (YOU KNOW IT DAN, DON'T DENY IT :D ) that these silly "fights" we engage once in a while never EVER become personal attacks.
Sure, we both get a little riled up, with or without reason, but we both remain as far as I have seen, polite and we have never insulted each other, right Dan?
(at least never personally...)
I hate his writing sure , BUT I have nothing bad or negative to say about Dan, the person...

Then why the fixation? Do you feel an obligation to inform or save the rest of us fanboys about/from what you perceive as horrible writing? That seems a bit...condescending to me. I figured it had to be personal, with your devotion and the comments concerning the "fanboy" GLA remarks. As an outsider looking in, I figured that perhaps those remarks made had offended you and raised your ire. Or is it something else even more personal? Did he slander you in a PM or somesuch(however unlikely that seems to me at the moment)?

So if it isn't because of a personal insult, what is it? Or was my first assertion correct?

If that's the case, and you are trying to warn us, I think that people should be allowed to read the free issues Slott's posted, without paying any money, and make the decision for themselves. So in a way, if you are trying to warn us, Mr. Slott seems to be doing your job for you, in a fashion.

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Then why the fixation? Do you feel an obligation to inform or save the rest of us fanboys about/from what you perceive as horrible writing?
Save you, yes...that's it. :D

I figured it had to be personal, with your devotion and the comments concerning the "fanboy" GLA remarks. As an outsider looking in, I figured that perhaps those remarks made had offended you and raised your ire. Or is it something else even more personal? Did he slander you in a PM or somesuch(however unlikely that seems to me at the moment)?
Absolutely not.
The guy has been nothing but cool and collected about it.
And I give him props for not getting personal...then again, I haven't done that either, so it's a mutual thing, I guess.
But the Grasshopper thing was offensive.
Not that it matters, to Dan, if we are offended, we are nothing but thin-skinned whiners-("To which Paul (very wisely) reminded me-- that there'd be a 2 month gap for people to get offended and stew. And to THIS I replied-- yeah, but all of the people who'll get bent outta shape over it are the kinda' thin-skinned whiners who can't take a joke in the first place-- so who cares:?) (and yet he gets wildly offended at people "bashing the book"...)



If that's the case, and you are trying to warn us, I think that people should be allowed to read the free issues Slott's posted, without paying any money, and make the decision for themselves. So in a way, if you are trying to warn us, Mr. Slott seems to be doing your job for you, in a fashion.

Absolutely.
be my guest and read them, hopefully, you will be allowed to express your dislike for it if youi happen to dislike it. ;)

[Dan_Slott]

...these silly "fights" we engage once in a while never EVER become personal attacks.

Totally true! Tom only goes after my work. NEVER me as a person. Conversely, I have NEVER said a bad thing about Tom's fan art. I think Tom is one of the kings of fan art. Really nice stuff! I especially like his Peanuts versions of Marvel Characters. Someone should animate those darn it! Especially as Sally as Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers).

Sure, we both get a little riled up, with or without reason, but we both remain as far as I have seen, polite and we have never insulted each other, right Dan?

NEVER on the boards. (Though the PM you sent me where you implied I did "something" was totally unfair-- because I didn't, not my intent, never, never, never, never. But that's neither here nor there...)

And in the same way I would defend Bendis or Andreyko if I read people getting personal (especially with Bendis...he has been called everything, from ASS**** to bastard by people who don't like his writing), Dan knows that I have actually expressed my dislike for some people calling him names.

Ahhh... Seems like so long ago... A yahoo group with Tom, SuperJ, and various other colorful characters... People asking me about my plans for She-Hulk... I'd reply telling them about upcoming stuff... And, suddenly I'm being compared to everything from a sexist, to a TF fetishist (don't even ask), to Hitler, to a Borg drone. (I kid you not!) The internet can be a scaaaaaary place!

Much safer here on THIS thread, where I'm just being compared to... oh... I dunno... SATAN!

:)

ttyl
Dan

BTW, check out TWO FREE ISSUES of SHE-HULK online! Click on the links in my sig and see if YOU can find anything to back up the claims that I'm a sextist, perverted, borgified Nazi.... (Sheesh)!

[ChildOfTheDarkholde]

Totally true! Tom only goes after my work. NEVER me as a person. Conversely, I have NEVER said a bad thing about Tom's fan art. I think Tom is one of the kings of fan art. Really nice stuff! I especially like his Peanuts versions of Marvel Characters. Someone should animate those darn it! Especially as Sally as Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers).

But you can go ahead and bash my fan art if you want.
I don't know how you really feel about it, but trust me, I would be ok with it, because I know that not everyone will like my stuff.
Maybe you need to understand that too.
And even if you did love my art, I don't feel obligated to not speak my mind about what I feel regarding your work...which is dislike and "hatred"


Ahhh... Seems like so long ago... A yahoo group with Tom, SuperJ, and various other colorful characters... People asking me about my plans for She-Hulk... I'd reply telling them about upcoming stuff... And, suddenly I'm being compared to everything from a sexist, to a TF fetishist (don't even ask), to Hitler, to a Borg drone. (I kid you not!) The internet can be a scaaaaaary place!

Much safer here on THIS thread, where I'm just being compared to... oh... I dunno... SATAN!

:)

ttyl
Dan

!

Dude, once again...I belonged to that group but I never called you a Borg, Hitler, a Nazi or whatever.
I never called you sexist (IN FACT...what is one of the actual pieces of PRAISE I give your She-Hulk?
That it's an actual female solo book that doesn't objectify women as bimbos, etc)
And the whole Satan thing was not me...I just started playing along with the concept of you having demonic powers and such.
And u played along too.
After someone had already started a thread that compared bendis and Quesada to the Devil.
(Not to mention that I don't believe in Satan, She- Hulk, yes ;) , Satan? Nah...)

[Dan_Slott]

But you can go ahead and bash my fan art if you want.
I don't know how you really feel about it...

I say what I mean, sir. It's fun! (Not a fan of the "blue"/adult stuff-- but that's just me. I'm a prude.) But I get a kick out of your She-Hulk pin ups-- and anything you do that shows off some of your funny side. (And ESPECIALLY the Peanuts series! Peppermint Patty as Titania? Priceless!.

but trust me, I would be ok with it, because I know that not everyone will like my stuff.
Maybe you need to understand that too.

I TOTALLY get that. I COMPLETELY understand that my work isn't for everybody. That everyone has different likes and dislikes. What I DON'T get is the people who spend HOURS and HOURS of their day SLAMMING something. I don't get the haters who expend SO much energy spreading their hate of something-- because they DON'T find it entertaining. To me, that's CRAZY. If someone wants to HATE something that much, where it moves them to such CONSTANT action-- why not focus that HATE on a social injustice? Or to eradicating something in this world that is truly hurtful, harmful, or evil? Really?! I know you can't stand the Bendis-bashers. Wouldn't YOU rather see them use their time this way?

And even if you did love my art, I don't feel obligated to not speak my mind about what I feel regarding your work...which is dislike and "hatred"

Tom, there's "speaking your mind" and then there's slam-spamming. I think EVERYONE on this thread got you the FIRST half-dozen times. Really.

Imagine if you didn't like one of Baskin Robins 31 flavors. Let's say, for argument's sake, it's "Chunky Monkey." You see someone about to order "Chunky Monkey" and you say--

"Excuse me, sir. But I have tried Chunky Monkey. And, in my opinion, it sucks."

That's totally cool. It's America. Freedom of Speech! All the power to you.

Maybe the guy orders Chunky Monkey. Maybe he doesn't.

Now imagine you KEEP walking into the store and saying "Chunky Monkey sucks!" Sometimes 6 times a day. Sometimes half a dozen times in 2 hours. Kinda crazy, right? Sure, it's free speech-- and, yes, you're entitled to make it-- but, still... Don't you think the people in the store have heard you already? And to the regulars in that store, you're no longer an enjoyer of ice cream... Nope, you're now the "Chunky Monkey Sucks" Guy. And do you REALLY want to be THAT guy?

It gets even stranger when you start walking into COMPLETELY different threads and continue to "speak your mind". That's like walking into a store and saying "Chunky Monkey Sucks." And the guy behind the counter says-- "Excuse me, sir, but this is a drycleaners. Baskin Robins is on the next block." Sure, you can TRY to make your conversation on topic by saying, "Yes, and when you get a Chunky Monkey stain on your shirt-- its hard to dry clean it out." But soon enough-- even in THAT store you get known as the "Chunky Monkey Sucks" Guy. And that gets REALLY sad.

Anyway...

To hammer the analogy even further...

Want to try 2 FREE ISSUES of SHE-HULK? Just click on the links in my sig! They're just like free Baskin Robins pink spoons-- but with comics! Try a taste!

Dude, once again...I belonged to that group but I never called you a Borg, Hitler, a Nazi or whatever.

Totally true. Tom never took part in that kinda stuff. But, man, what a scaaaary board! It was like I was totally alone in there-- defending a book that HADN'T COME OUT YET-- from a group of people that were ALREADY working on a letter writing campaign to CANCEL it. Verrrrry hostile waters.

And things ONLY got weeeeirder when I started defending myself and answering back in kind! 'Cause one of the truisms about internet snarkers, trolls, and bullies-- is they can dish it, but BOY, can they NOT take it back. And BOY do they have time on their hands! And BOY will they EVER dedicate their internet-lives to bashing you around the net! It's just not worth it.

The ENTIRE experience has made me realize that when you're a (man, I hate using this term) "pro", you really DO have to be like one of those guards at Buckingham Palace. You really DO have to just sit there and take it as they throw the most outrageous $hit, lies, and misinformation your way. In the end, with these people-- facts don't matter, figures don't matter, and HEAVEN HELP YOU if you answer them in kind or PROVE them wrong. That just riles 'em up.

So yeah, I've developed a better hands on/polite approach to putting up w/ abusive and trolling posters (Even gotten some nice compliments about it from posters on the Avengers, FF, and Spidey boards). But I will always keep a special place in my heart-- and a looser leash on my sass-- for six-to-eight posters from THAT yahoo group. (What a bunch of complete and total... Well... You get the picture).

I never called you sexist (IN FACT...what is one of the actual pieces of PRAISE I give your She-Hulk?
That it's an actual female solo book that doesn't objectify women as bimbos, etc)

HOLY CR@P! I can't believe you posted that! I'm marking the date! I'm cutting and pasting this! I'm never deleting this from my hard drive! Dang! Tom, please expect to see yourself quoted-- a lot-- whenever you use the phrase "She-Bimbo" to decribe my book again. :)

And the whole Satan thing was not me...I just started playing along with the concept of you having demonic powers and such.
And u played along too.

Totally! And it's been fun. I especially like doing my evil laugh. Wait... Here's another one (follow along at home!):

Mwa-ha-ha-ha-HA!

ttyl
Dan
:)

[The Mirrorball Man]

Oh... and try out 2 issues of SHE-HULK for FREE! Just click on the links in my sig! (Never get tired of typing that!) :)
:) Mhwell, you're better at this typing thing than at getting your links to work. The first link is dead. At least, it doesn't work for me.

[Ivan Isaacs]

http://www.vail.k12.az.us/cwehome/base_files/images/coyotecall/popcorn.png

[Dan_Slott]

:) Mhwell, you're better at this typing thing than at getting your links to work. The first link is dead. At least, it doesn't work for me.

You're right. I tried it. Didn't work.
How about now?
Reposting the link in my sig. Tried it. Works for me.
Thanks for the head's up!
ttyl
Dan

[Jared_Humpherys]

Absolutely not.
The guy has been nothing but cool and collected about it.
And I give him props for not getting personal...
But the Grasshopper thing was offensive.
Not that it matters, to Dan, if we are offended, we are nothing but thin-skinned whiners- (and yet he gets wildly offended at people "bashing the book"...)


So it is personal. But again, I must ask, why the effort? Why continue to follow(and perhaps troll may also be an appropriate word here) a writer and continually spout negativity? I may have some issue with some choices Bendis made in Dissassembled, but that doesn't mean I hate all his writing(or would follow him around and bash, either), and that's even considering comments he's made about internet fanboys. Actually, I rather like New Avengers so far.

If someone insults your intelligence, post intelligently to prove them wrong. If they call you a fanboy, defend your arguments politely. Instead of just a "I hate all his work" blanket statement, perhaps a bullet-point outline of what you find flawed would be more appropriate, and better support your thesis?

I also take issue with insisting that other writer's compliments of Mr. Slott's work were only done out of professional courtesy: that seems to be presumptuous and somewhat offensive. Why claim you know what another person thinks, especially when that contradicts previously published statements?



Absolutely.
be my guest and read them, hopefully, you will be allowed to express your dislike for it if youi happen to dislike it. ;)

Okay, so you've expressed your dislike multiple times, without anything new. What's left? What other point do you have to make?

Btw, if I'm overly contributing to thread drift here, I apologize. Perhaps these posts should be put in a seperate thread. What do you say, Stony? We could call it "Dan Slott is the Devil!" or somesuch.:)

[Core]

What I DON'T get is the people who spend HOURS and HOURS of their day SLAMMING something. I don't get the haters who expend SO much energy spreading their hate of something-- because they DON'T find it entertaining. To me, that's CRAZY. If someone wants to HATE something that much, where it moves them to such CONSTANT action-- why not focus that HATE on a social injustice? Or to eradicating something in this world that is truly hurtful, harmful, or evil? Really?!

These kinds of posters baffle me as well. One would think that, if the products they're bashing were really that worthless, they wouldn't even be worth mentioning, much less obsessing over.

In any case, as long as you keep churning out quality books, Dan, I'll be there to buy them. I can't wait to see your take on the THING, and the re-launch of SHE-HULK this October makes the entire autumn seem more enjoyable.

[GreenLantern2008]

DD in hell

[tangentman]

In Tom's defense, he actually runs a civil yahoo group and works to stop artist-bashing on it. I've even seen him try to cut down Slott-bashing there. SJ, on the other hand...WHOA, that's some serious Dan Slott Hate going on there! Still, "troll" is the last word which describes Tom in my mind.

Regarding Dan Slott's She-Hulk, I wasn't grabbed by the first few issues. Not the total assassination of Jennifer Walters described by the Slott Haters' Club, just didn't feel the magic. However, issue #8 grabbed my attention. I also thought that the Titania arc effectively addressed Shulkie's tribulations in the Avengers and provided one of the best origins of a super-villain that I've read in recent years. Dan, you sold me with those issues and I also thought you pegged the qualities which made Jennifer special--her determination, her courage, strength, inventiveness, and, I'll just say coolness!

Despite the comic tone of the series, I really didn't see that much in common with ALLY MCBEAL. Hell, John Byrne took more liberties with humor and self-referentialism than Slott could EVER hope to take! I doubt that we'll see Slott's anti-fans complaining about THE SENSATIONAL SHE-HULK, though ;)
Believe me, Dan, if I thought that Jennifer resembled an Hulked-up Ally McBeal, I would terrorize you with scores of "hatin'". However, I'm not seeing it. For which I feel intensely grateful :)

Also, I'm loving GLA and hope that you can offer us another mini in the near future!

[Stony]

Btw, if I'm overly contributing to thread drift here, I apologize. Perhaps these posts should be put in a seperate thread. What do you say, Stony? We could call it "Dan Slott is the Devil!" or somesuch.:)
I'm more partial to "Dan Slott 616: The Number of the Beast"