Mangog vs

[En Sabah Nur]

Pit anyone you can think of that's not a cosmic entity in a slugfest brawl against Mangog.

[raoulduke]

Please...Mangog can only throw nuke level blasts. He's pathetic.

[Illidania]

Mangog wasn't pathetic when he could go Toe-to-toe with Thor on numerous ocasions, with Mangog gaining the upperhand most of the time.

[En Sabah Nur]

The physical brute that Thor fights not the Superman villian.

[Shellhead]

Vision could give Mangog (Thor's) a tough fight. He can turn intangible and fly to avoid major attacks, he can turn diamond hard and throw punchs that hurt the Silver Surfer, and he can do that nasty dematerialize-rematerialize his hand inside Mangog's chest.

[En Sabah Nur]

Vision could give Mangog (Thor's) a tough fight. He can turn intangible and fly to avoid major attacks, he can turn diamond hard and throw punchs that hurt the Silver Surfer, and he can do that nasty dematerialize-rematerialize his hand inside Mangog's chest.

It is often forgotten that Mangog can manipulate matter.

[Shellhead]

It is often forgotten that Mangog can manipulate matter.

Ouch.

In that case, Vision gets shredded, because he's the easiest Avenger to bring back from "death", and the shredding can be really gruesome without actually being offensive to young readers.

[Illidania]

Mangog also survived getting a full blast from Mjolnir down his throat by Thor. He was down for a while, but still survived it.

[Eyeswithoutaface]

Any particular reason why J'onn J'onzz couldn't do well against this guy?

He can do anything Vision can do and more.

[Mr. X]

Any particular reason why J'onn J'onzz couldn't do well against this guy?

He can do anything Vision can do and more.

Meh, Vision woulden't do too great against Mangog.

A scene comes to mind... The Living Monolith, who was flat out stated to be like Mangog from Thor, casually backhanded a diamond hard vision into outer space. And this was when The Vision was falling at maximum density if I remember correctly.

[Mr. X]

Oh, and I personally believe Validus is one of the few that could take this. Then again, Mangog feeds off of hate. The Silver Surfer beat him once by not fighting back, among other things, depriving him of his hate which made him then shrink. Marvel Fanfare. :confused:

Validus is a creature with Hulk level rage, so who knows. He's definitely got the physical stats, and his brain bolts are extremely nasty. Comes down to how the writer would view the hate thing I guess.

[Mr. X]

Mangog also survived getting a full blast from Mjolnir down his throat by Thor. He was down for a while, but still survived it.

Anti-Matter blast. You know, something Silver Age Spectre flat out admitted "Anti-Matter! It affects me to even some extent!".

[Cain of Dreaming]

Anti-Matter blast. You know, something Silver Age Spectre flat out admitted "Anti-Matter! It affects me to even some extent!".

Anti-Force. That was Thor's 'ultimate attack' back during that period of Jurgens' run, which usually did absolutely nothing to the people he used it at.

[Mr. X]

And out of curiousity, who else did he use it against?

And, uh, this anti-force... Sounds awfully like, you know, the antithesis of matter... Anti-Matter? Mayhap? Be I wrong?

[Cain of Dreaming]

And out of curiousity, who else did he use it against?

Perrikus, Enrakt, Thanos and propably some others that I don't remember offhand.


And, uh, this anti-force... Sounds awfully like, you know, the antithesis of matter... Anti-Matter? Mayhap? Be I wrong?

Eh, that statement would propably make several dead physicists roll around in their graves at mach speeds. Force and matter are two very distinct things.

[DevilHulk]

Hulk at full rage would rape Mangog.

Mangog killed Betty.Mangog is dead.

[Illidania]

So, Mangog kills betty, hates Mangog for doing it which fuels his rage, which in turn feeds Mangog and makes him stronger as he feeds off those emotions.

[Mr. X]

Hulk at full rage would rape Mangog.

Mangog killed Betty.Mangog is dead.

Ah, the old "The character that can beat the shit out of The Hulk suddenly takes an interest in The Hulk's loved ones, kills them, for no obvious reason, giving The Hulk an unfair advantage" crap. Nah, Mangog was wading through all of Asgard and had the power to kill Odin. Hulk isn't doing squat. We (Hehehe) all know you, you're just too stubborn to admit it.


Perrikus, Enrakt, Thanos and propably some others that I don't remember offhand.



Eh, that statement would propably make several dead physicists roll around in their graves at mach speeds. Force and matter are two very distinct things.

Meh, what else is new. Guess I'm wrong.

[Illidania]

I don't know about Mangog being able to kill Odin. Mangog was taking orders from Thanos at one point, so who knows. :D

[Ramz]

Thors blows, on most occasions, were described as bee stings to Mangog. He would beat most anyone.

[Mr. X]

I don't know about Mangog being able to kill Odin. Mangog was taking orders from Thanos at one point, so who knows. :D

Well, the potential was there, or at least that's what I got from the Silver Age stories.

Meh, and that was a powered down Mangog. Even then he was capable of laying into Thor and putting him down in a few blows.

[Illidania]

Thor has managed to knock Mangog out for a time before, once was right before Firelord arived to give Thor the Odin-force belt to stop Thanos with. Mangog and Thor were going back and forth in combat throughout that whole part.

[Mr. X]

Thor has managed to knock Mangog out for a time before, once was right before Firelord arived to give Thor the Odin-force belt to stop Thanos with. Mangog and Thor were going back and forth in combat throughout that whole part.

Er, wasn't he relying on outside forces? Like volcanoes and lots of water and shit? He managed to hold Mangog back for a bit, no damage though. Kind of like The Juggernaut's original appearance...

[Illidania]

Not sure. Originaly Mangog tooled Thor and knocked him out. Later Thor wakes up, very pissed, and launches a massive assault against Mangog which puts Mangog down for a bit. It pretty much goes back and forth a few times, but generaly mangog is stronger than Thor. Took a shot from Mjolnir down his throat and survived.

[Ramz]

Jurgens Mangog, though powerful, wasnt as formidable as Silver age mangog.

[GrowLLLTigeRRR]

Hulk at full rage would rape Mangog.

Mangog killed Betty.Mangog is dead.


Not so fast Greeny!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/GrowLLLTigeRRR/TheMangogKillsTheHulk2-1-1.jpg

[Radical]

So, Mangog kills betty, hates Mangog for doing it which fuels his rage, which in turn feeds Mangog and makes him stronger as he feeds off those emotions.

Sort of an "unstoppable force/immovable object" situation. We're looking at pretty much the end of the world here. :eek:

[Lochdale]

Anti-Force. That was Thor's 'ultimate attack' back during that period of Jurgens' run, which usually did absolutely nothing to the people he used it at.

Thor has prodcued anti-matter blasts before but you are right that Jurgens had him using anti-force.

Silver Age Mangog is an utter brute who cubrstomped all of Asgard.

[GrowLLLTigeRRR]

Thor has prodcued anti-matter blasts before but you are right that Jurgens had him using anti-force.

Silver Age Mangog is an utter brute who cubrstomped all of Asgard.

Yep, and Mangog has nearly killed Thor several times and the only reason he didn't kill him the last time is because, just as he was about to bite Thor in half, Thanos called him away to attend to more important matters. I have no idea why he obeyed Thanos though that sort of disappointed me.

Many people can't imagine Mangog's strength. VERY basically as he tells us over and over again with every other breath, he has the combined strength (but I doubt intellectual power LOL) of one billion billion beings from a war-like race destroyed by Odin.

Now think about a billion. If you began to count right now and continued 24 hours a day, 7 days a week without a break and averaged counting one numeral per second, it would take about 32 years for you to count to a billion and 32,000 years to count to a trillion. BIG NUMBERS! I really doubt the authors of Mangog’s description took them into account. Too late now though; it’s out there..

A billion billion is 1 X 10^18, that's 1,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!

Now let us assume that each member of this war-like race (every man, woman, and child) could lift an average of 50 lbs over his/her head (a conservative figure for a war-like race I think), that's 1 X 10^18 X 50 = 5 X 10^19 pounds! Now multiply that by 2000 lbs/ton and you get 2.5 X 10^16 tons!!!

So Mangog could lift at least 2.5 X 10^16 tons = 25,000,000,000,000,000 Tons over his head!

NOW how does that compare with Odin's and Thor's 100 Tons?

Welllllllllllllll 2.5 X 10^16 divided by 100 X 102 =2.5 X 10^14 times stronger!!!

That means that Mangog is 250,000,000,000,000 (thats 250 trillion - it would take you 32,000 years to count to a trillion) times stronger than Thor or his daddy and hella stronger than Hulk!

Basically, there would be NOTHING left of the HULK if they danced.

Personally I think Stan Lee and Jack Kirby made a big mistake by not doing their math and thereby giving Mangog so much strength because NOTHING less than a Skyfather can touch him.

More: http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-mangog.html