Future Batman villains?

[HomerJay]

There's been alot of chatter about this topic in other threads, so I thought I'd devote a thread to it...

Ok, now that the tone of the series has been established with BATMAN BEGINS, who would you cast in future Batman films as villains?

JOKER - Crispin Glover
CATWOMAN - Angelina Jolie (Scarlett Johannson would be nice too)
TWO-FACE - Ray Liotta
KILLER CROC - Triple H

These are the ones that come to mind at moment...

[cactusmaac]

Joker - Adrien Brody

Two-Face - Guy Pearce

[Artemis1]

Two Face-John Travolta
Harly Quinn-Rebecca Romijn
Bane-Michael Chiklis
Joker-Willem Dafoe!

[Dark Monarch]

The Joker- Hire and unknown actor to do all the physical movements and mannerisms and then hire Mark Hamill to do all the voice work. With the technology today they would blend the two into a seemless perfect Joker.

[Jared]

I could see Scarlett Johanson as Poison Ivy. But I susupect the first sequel will stear clear of Catwoman or anyone from Batman & Robin.

What I'd like to see
2nd movie: Joker. IF, and only if, a really great casting choice can be found. I wouldnt' want to follow Jack Nicholson's shoes there. Also feature district attorney Harvey Dent, and more of Gotham's underworld, perhaps personified by Rupert Thorne.
3rd: Dent becomes Two-Face.
4th: Bane, done properly, in a Knightfall/Knightquest inspired story.

[The Mirrorball Man]

THE JOKER - Benicio Del Toro
CATWOMAN - Catherine Bell
TWO-FACE - Billy Zane
THE PENGUIN - Denis Franz
POISON IVY - Kate Beckinsale
HARLEY QUINN - Milla Jovovich
ANARKY - Elijah Wood

[Donald M.]

4th: Bane, done properly, in a Knightfall/Knightquest inspired story.

The only problem with that is, a mass release of Arkham inmates has already been done, and frankly to only reason Bane did so well against Batman that one time is because he was so exhausted from fighting pretty much his entire rogues gallery over several days and nights with no sleep at all.

Besides, Bane is lame. He was a gimmick, like Doomsday. He's never been interesting.

[Legato]

The Joker: Johnny Depp. He has shown that he could play the psycho character in Secret Window and he does kinda resemble him in Charlie and The Chocolate Factory.

Harley Quinn: Brittney Murphy

[StoneGold]

Christopher Walken as Bat-Mite.

[Artemis1]

Movie 2: Do the Joker. Then he is sent to an asylum. Then introduce Harly Quinn who breaks him out.

Movie 3: Two Face with Bane as an asassain.

Movie 4: Joker's back. Only now, he's got Scarecrow and Killer Croc with him. The Scarecrow now has a scythe that emits a fear gas far more powerful than before.

Movie 5: Riddler comes in with Killer Croc.

Movie 6: Hush seeks revenge on the Riddler for killing his father. The Joker dies by being shot by Hush. But before that, he unleashes his super creation called Man Bat.

[monkeysweat]

Is the general public really going to be interested in rehashes of villians they've already seen, though? As fans we might want to see it done "right" for our own satisfaction (I know I'm still mad at Forever's Two-Face), but why would Johnny Public want to see Bat-movies with the Joker, Catwoman, Riddler, Harvey Dent, etc.? They've been there and done it and it wasn't that long ago.

If they do start over, though, I'd rather see Two-Face next. Hold the Joker til part three.

[cactusmaac]

If Joker's in the next one, it'll have been about nineteen years since Nicholson's performance.

They probably won't touch Riddler, Bane, Catwoman, Poison Ivy or Mr Freeze for some time.

Two-Face could be done since the Goyer-Nolan take on the character will be much different from the barely memorable, one-note Tommy Lee Jones performance.

[Captain Sarcasm]

I heard a rumor that they were thinking of getting Bruce Spence to play the Joker. If you don't know him, he was the lines-on-face alien dude in Revenge of the Sith, the Mouth of Sauron in Return of the King, the gyrocopter pilot in the Mad Max movies and "Trainman" in The Matrix Reloaded

http://matrix.thescarymonkeyshow.com/images/trainman.jpg

Now, imagine that with white skin and green hair...

[cactusmaac]

I'd be sceptical about any of the casting rumours right now.

They're not even sure if Nolan's going to commit to the next one and until he does and gets the script done, it's all just speculation.

[Captain Sarcasm]

I'd be sceptical about any of the casting rumours right now.

Yeah, I'm just saying it'd be freaking awesome.

[Guts/Batman]

I'm hoping that Joker will be one sick mofo.

I would love to see a sick, sadistic Two-Face.

Knightfall Bane

Am I optimistic? No.

[mgs]

TWO-FACE - Ray Liotta
that's a GREAT choice! like it! :)

i don't know, but one time I just need to see a Batman v. Grendel Prime fight sequence in live action or animation once before i die!!!

[Stretch Dude]

I read on Comingsoon.net a couple weeks ago that they have the basic idea for the second and third movies. Joker shows up in the second one, and in third one, Joker goes to trial and tosses some acid in Harvey Dent's face...and you know the rest.

[sir_snikt'alot]

ben kingsley as mr freeze.

[DennyK]

It's pretty obvious who the villain in the next Batman movie will be, the question is, who to play him? Should it be somebody roughly the same age as Bale or someone older?

[Guts/Batman]

It's pretty obvious who the villain in the next Batman movie will be, the question is, who to play him? Should it be somebody roughly the same age as Bale or someone older?


Wouldn't they already have him chosen? Wouldn't they have begun shooting the next movie?

So I bet it is just that they haven't told us yet.

Thought they could be playing us like Spider-Man 3 is.

Who knows.

[ragnarok_2012]

Ray Liota would be fun as Two Face. But there are other possibilities.

For example, how about Dylan McDermott?

Mike Smash has convinced me that Crispin Glover would make a great Joker.

I think the Mad Hatter could make a decent Bat Villain. Mind control equipment hidden inside various weird hats. Have you take over various politicians, celebrities, etc. in order to pull off his crimes.

[tangentman]

Joker--I liked the Crispin Glover and Willem Defoe suggestions; as a third possibility, let me add Kevin Bacon.

Two-Face--Harvey Dent in the comics was a handsome man before being acid-scarred, so Dylan McDermott could work. Then again, so could Dermot Mulroney :D at the similar-sounding names.

Catwoman--If it's a reboot, there's no shame in bringing in Catwoman. I would play with a flashback of Bruce Wayne's pre-costume, streetside encounter with a certain high-kicking streetwalker named Selina :cool: Angelina Jolie all the way.

I also want to see a costumed hero or two inspired by Batman. If not Barbara Gordon as Batgirl, at least that moment when she eavesdrops on Batman's late-night conversation with Jim. Huntress might actually work more consistently with the tone set by "Batman Begins", and we could see the effect on Bruce watching wannabes take his act to an even darker place. A convincingly tough actress like Michelle Rodriguez.

[Grant]

Forget the Joker can we get KGBeast in the next movie?

http://www.darkknight.ca/images/villains/kgbeast.gif

[The Mirrorball Man]

Forget the Joker can we get KGBeast in the next movie?
KGBeast? He's somehow linked to the whole venom drug / Bane thing, right?

[discostu]

God damn it, billy dee williams is supposed to be two face!

[1HELLBOY]

Joker-Crispin Glover
Harely Quinn-Brittany Murphey
Two-Face-Johnny Depp
Catwoman-Angelina Jolie
Bane-Benicio Del Toro
Mr. Freeze-Bill Nghy
The Riddler-Hugo Weaving
Mad Hatter-Steve Buscemi
Poison Ivy-Scarlett Johansson

[Neil]

Wouldn't they already have him chosen? Wouldn't they have begun shooting the next movie?
He may be chosen, but they haven't started shooting the next one. At this point, Christopher Nolan is still playing coy about whether he'll direct a sequel.

And I'm betting without being in pre-production, they don't have anything but a short list.

I'm just hoping they find a way to include more Year One stuff in there again. They've got Falcone, Loeb and Flass in place. They could tell Year One straight out at this point. And with the balance they carried in this one so perfectly, I think they could tell it while still telling a solid Joker story... just lose all the Catwoman stuff.

[Dreadstar]

Honestly, with the choices that were made in this film, I'm happy to let the casting people make the choices. But some of the choices prffered here were inspired. Kudos.


However, I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any supers or characters with extraordinary powers in this go round. Hence, no Poison Ivy with plant powers, no genetically half-croc Killer Croc, no Mr. Freeze. Bane could be done properly, I suppose.

I just think it would be a far better vision this time around.

[DennyK]

Wouldn't they already have him chosen? Wouldn't they have begun shooting the next movie?

So I bet it is just that they haven't told us yet.

Thought they could be playing us like Spider-Man 3 is.

Who knows.


No, I don't think they would have already have the next one chosen. Batman Begins was hardly considered a sure thing going in. This franchise was dead and buried, and it was hoped that Batman Begins would revive it. Judging by the overwhelmingly positive reviews, I'm guessing the take at the box office for opening weekend is going to be huge, thereby guaranteeing at least one sequel, and more likely, two. I hope they keep the same director and the same philosophy of having talented actors in supporting roles. Based on this then, I'd like to see either Kevin Spacey or, in a complete change of character, Harrison Ford play the Joker.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Talking about offbeat choices, how about Erik Todd Dellums (http://www.reelimagesmagazine.com/black_reels_2003/erik-todd-dellums.gif) as the Joker? Do we really need a white actor?

[DennyK]

Talking about offbeat choices, how about Erik Todd Dellums (http://www.reelimagesmagazine.com/black_reels_2003/erik-todd-dellums.gif) as the Joker? Do we really need a white actor?


Wow, I can definitely see that! Tell me more about Mr. Dellums, I'm not at all familiar with him.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Wow, I can definitely see that! Tell me more about Mr. Dellums, I'm not at all familiar with him.
Erik Todd Dellums is mostly a stage and television actor. I guess his most well-known role was drug baron Luther Mahoney (http://waterfront_bar.tripod.com/Luther.jpg) on "Homicide: Life on the Street".

[Mr. Croup]

According to IMDB, Tim Burton wanted Ray Liotta to be the Joker in the first movie.

Tim Curry would be good as the Joker.

[ragnarok_2012]

Weird coincidence. I was thinking about offbeat casting choices for the Joker, and I thought that Harrison Ford would be great. I think he'd make for a great villain.

[Grant]

Weird coincidence. I was thinking about offbeat casting choices for the Joker, and I thought that Harrison Ford would be great. I think he'd make for a great villain.

That's definately out there.

[The Joker]

The Joker - Crispin Glover
The Penguin - Joe Pesci
Two-Face - Guy Pearce
Catwoman - Angelina Jolie/Jennifer Connelly
Harley Quinn - Brittany Murphy/Angelina Jolie
The Riddler - Ed Norton/Hugo Weaving
Mr. Freeze - Ben Kingsley
Poison Ivy - Charlize Theron
The Mad Hatter - James Spader

[Error_2.0]

The best Joker possible is David Bowie. You know it to be true.
The next movie needs to start off with Batman fighting the Scarecrow who is in complete costume.

[hugh45]

Who would be a good choice for:
Anarchy
Black Spider
The Calculater

[DennyK]

The best Joker possible is David Bowie. You know it to be true.
The next movie needs to start off with Batman fighting the Scarecrow who is in complete costume.


David Bowie? Bah. Horrible choice.

[Guts/Batman]

The next movie needs to start off with Batman fighting the Scarecrow who is in complete costume.


It should be Zsasz.

[Gaz]

Why ae so many people high on Jolie as Catwoman? Selina's supposed to be tough, complex, sexy and have class. Angelina lacks 3 of those 4. She's at least tough...
Someone a little younger than Bale and with the same indie sensibility... Maggie Gyllenhaal?

[Gaz]

God damn it, billy dee williams is supposed to be two face!
Stupid Schumaccer, Burton went to all the trouble of setting up Dent and Joel recast... :mad:

[lonewolf23k]

Honestly, with the choices that were made in this film, I'm happy to let the casting people make the choices. But some of the choices prffered here were inspired. Kudos.


However, I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any supers or characters with extraordinary powers in this go round. Hence, no Poison Ivy with plant powers, no genetically half-croc Killer Croc, no Mr. Freeze. Bane could be done properly, I suppose.

I just think it would be a far better vision this time around.

Well, Poison Ivy can be done well, if focused on using plant-based poisons and weapons, and you can just make Killer Croc a huge, muscled guy with a disfiguring skin condition like during the first seasons of the Timmiverse Batman series.

As for Mr Freeze, the Batman Begins movie has already established a pretty high tech-base, what with that Microwave Emitter system. Going from there to Victor Fries' cryo-weapons won't be that big a step. If they can just avoid the campiness of Arnold's version, and make Victor a tragically dark character, it'll be fine.

[The Mirrorball Man]

David Bowie? Bah. Horrible choice.
David Bowie would actually be perfect for at least one version of the Joker, the Dark Knight Returns Joker.

[Captain Sarcasm]

Stupid Schumaccer, Burton went to all the trouble of setting up Dent and Joel recast... :mad:

Well, if they'd have gone ahead with their original Batman Returns plans, they wouldn't have had to. Max Schreck was originally gonna be Harvey Dent, and, instead of dying at the end, he'd only get horribly, horribly scarred.

[DennyK]

Despite how he looks, I think the Joker should be played as a stone cold killer who gets off on murder instead of just a homicidal clown. I know he's a little long in the tooth now, but Scott Glenn wouldn't be bad, or maybe someone a little younger who can bring that same kind of quiet menace that Glenn brings to a role.

[ouiyahtsiouiyah]

I would like it if they stayed away from the mainstream villians, Joker is good but he's the only one, (Rai's is also good of course)

but I would like to see villains like Deathstroke or Zeiss, didn't someone say KGbeast earlier? that would be awesome

[Guts/Batman]

Personally I want to see Bane the most. A good competent Bane (of course written in a Knightfall plot)

Plus I wanna see Two-Face done right.

[kmeyers]

Personally I want to see Bane the most. A good competent Bane (of course written in a Knightfall plot)

Plus I wanna see Two-Face done right.

A Bane who is more like Ra's in his origin. a leader of assassins or something, only juiced up and super strong. That could be really cool fightwise, and at the same time could mimic the Mutant storyline from Dark Knight Returns, especially the mud fight.

THAT would rock.

[dougputhoff]

I want to see Dennis Franz as King Tut and Billy Bob Thornton as Shame.

[The Joker]

Why ae so many people high on Jolie as Catwoman? Selina's supposed to be tough, complex, sexy and have class. Angelina lacks 3 of those 4. She's at least tough...
Someone a little younger than Bale and with the same indie sensibility... Maggie Gyllenhaal?

Maggie Gyllenhaal as Catwoman?

Thanks. But no thanks.


David Bowie would actually be perfect for at least one version of the Joker, the Dark Knight Returns Joker.

I agree. He would be perfect for that version.

[Gaz]

Maggie Gyllenhaal as Catwoman?

Thanks. But no thanks.

Why not? :confused:

[cactusmaac]

Why not? :confused:


How good would she look like in skin-tight leather compared to Angelina Jolie?

[DrewTheXenocide]

I don't think Jolie would fit the Catwoman role as well. But then again, I also thought Pheifer (sp?) in Batman Returns was freaking awesome as Catwoman.

And Jolie's boobs are too big.

..for Catwoman at least.

[Guts/Batman]

And Jolie's boobs are too big.


Blasphemy, no boobs are too big. Besides, a comp get "resize" them.

[Gaz]

How good would she look like in skin-tight leather compared to Angelina Jolie?
Let's see: Maggie=stunning, Angie=skanky. I go for the former.

[cactusmaac]

I'd be against Jolie for the role since she's not a very good actress.

It is hard to think of an actress under 30 who'd bring the raw sex appeal and charisma the role demands.

Most actresses these days are pushed as being safe and desirable.

I guess my pick would be Asia Argento.

[Gaz]

To be fair, I'm thinking of the Miller/Brubaker anti-hero Selina.

[The Joker]

Why not? :confused:

Let's see, well as you say, Selina's supposed to be tough, complex, sexy and have class. Maggie lacks 3 out of that 4.

Maggie = Pretty girl. But thats about it. Nothing special.
Angelina = International sex symbol.

Personally, I would choose the latter.

Angelina in leather vs. Maggie in leather is pretty laughable. No contest.

[Guts/Batman]

Which costume should Catwoman use? The current one with the goggles and stuff or the old Michelle Pheiffer one from BR?

[dougputhoff]

Which costume should Catwoman use? The current one with the goggles and stuff or the old Michelle Pheiffer one from BR?

Neither.

She should wear the one Julie Newmar wore on the TV series.

[tangentman]

...or we could have Gyllenhall as Barbara Gordon?

[kmeyers]

Which costume should Catwoman use? The current one with the goggles and stuff or the old Michelle Pheiffer one from BR?
current, goggles look is definitely my favorite. but I like nerdy girls with "glasses."

I didn't really like the Phfifer suit much.

[The Joker]

Which costume should Catwoman use? The current one with the goggles and stuff or the old Michelle Pheiffer one from BR?

Maybe an interesting mix between the two costumes. Or something along the lines of Catwoman's purple 90's costume. Although I would nix the purple. But something similiar.

Regardless, something more like Pheiffer's. And less like Berry's. :D

[Guts/Batman]

Maybe an interesting mix between the two costumes. Or something along the lines of Catwoman's purple 90's costume. Although I would nix the purple. But something similiar.

Regardless, something more like Pheiffer's. And less like Berry's. :D


You mean the bikini top?

I didn't even think of it. Didn't see the movie. As far as I am concerned it doesn't exist. :D

Btw, was that movie set in Gotham City?

[The Joker]

You mean the bikini top?

I didn't even think of it. Didn't see the movie. As far as I am concerned it doesn't exist. :D

Btw, was that movie set in Gotham City?

Well, you're not missing anything. And you're probably better off ignoring it as you have. :)

As for the Gotham question, as far as I can remember it's not set in Gotham.
But I've only seen it once, and even then I wasnt paying much attention. :D

[Guts/Batman]

Well, you're not missing anything. And you're probably better off ignoring it as you have. :)

As for the Gotham question, as far as I can remember it's not set in Gotham.
But I've only seen it once, and even then I wasnt paying much attention. :D

LOL Didja get through the whole movie?

[Wonder Bebs]

Honestly? I'd love to see Harvey Dent acted as he was written in Long Halloween and Two Face should be written as such as well. Because, honestly, Long Halloween and Dark Victory were the best treatments a misused character like Two Face got.

If things are going as rumoured, I'll let having the Joker throwing the acid in his face slide, so long as Two Face is done the way I like him. So much as one deviation from his origin in Long Halloween and I'll pull my money away from it faster than Batman screaming "raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelll" did for Batman Begins.

That and Two Face had better be played by a good looking guy this time around. Giving me Tommy Lee Jones and saying he's Two Face won't do it.

Two Face is my DC comics crush, goddammit, I demand that he be drop dead sexy with and without the disfiguration!

[kmeyers]

Well, you're not missing anything. And you're probably better off ignoring it as you have. :)

As for the Gotham question, as far as I can remember it's not set in Gotham.
But I've only seen it once, and even then I wasnt paying much attention. :D
not set in Gotham???

Bruce specifically tells Ra's that he will stand on the way of Ra's and Gotham, after Ra's says Gotham must be destroyed.

edit...oops you are talking about a different Batman movie, arent you? But I'm sure all the Batfilms take place in Gotham.

[Guts/Batman]

Two Face is my DC comics crush, goddammit, I demand that he be drop dead sexy with and without the disfiguration!


Who would you suggest for the part?

[Guts/Batman]

not set in Gotham???

Bruce specifically tells Ra's that he will stand on the way of Ra's and Gotham, after Ra's says Gotham must be destroyed.

I know that...I was talkin about Halle Berry "Catwoman"

[kmeyers]

I know that...I was talkin about Halle Berry "Catwoman"
my bad.

I doubt that movie was...I remember hearing that the only thing The Catwoman movie had to do with the comic book character, was the name...Catwoman, and that's it.

[Guts/Batman]

my bad.

I doubt that movie was...I remember hearing that the only thing The Catwoman movie had to do with the comic book character, was the name...Catwoman, and that's it.


That's what I heard as well. And have no desire to check up on my facts by watching it.

[kmeyers]

That's what I heard as well. And have no desire to check up on my facts by watching it.
heh. I'm the same way. I have no interest in torturing myself by sitting through that movie.

[Gaz]

Let's see, well as you say, Selina's supposed to be tough, complex, sexy and have class. Maggie lacks 3 out of that 4.

Maggie = Pretty girl. But thats about it. Nothing special.
Angelina = International sex symbol.

Personally, I would choose the latter.

Angelina in leather vs. Maggie in leather is pretty laughable. No contest.
She's hot, classy and a really good actress. The toughness can be LEARNED, fight training and whatnot, and acted.

[cactusmaac]

I've never really thought of Catwoman as being classy.

She's sharp, feline and dangerous.

[Gaz]

If things are going as rumoured, I'll let having the Joker throwing the acid in his face slide, so long as Two Face is done the way I like him. So much as one deviation from his origin in Long Halloween and I'll pull my money away from it faster than Batman screaming "raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelll" did for Batman Begins.

Honestly, that yell isn't as corny as the trailers make it look. She's dying in the Batmobile when he does it so he's trying to keep her conscious and he's trying to get to the antidote in the cave.

[Gaz]

I've never really thought of Catwoman as being classy.

She's sharp, feline and dangerous.
Catwoman isn't, just like Batman isn't suave. Selina and Bruce, however, have those qualities in public.

[cactusmaac]

Naaah, even in public she plays the rebellious outsider not the high-society dame.

Class is Talia's bag.

[Guts/Batman]

Naaah, even in public she plays the rebellious outsider not the high-society dame.

Class is Talia's bag.

Talia should be in the next film.

Anyone wish to cast an actress for the character?

[Gaz]

Naaah, even in public she plays the rebellious outsider not the high-society dame.

Class is Talia's bag.
I think we're defining "class" differently.

[cactusmaac]

I think we're defining "class" differently.

# Informal. Elegance of style, taste, and manner: an actor with class.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=class

[Gaz]

# Informal. Elegance of style, taste, and manner: an actor with class.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=class
Yes, but I take complex schemes to rule/destroy the world as bad manners. And Talia comes of as a little frumpy, depending on the artist.

[Wonder Bebs]

Who would you suggest for the part?
Well, I obviously can't suggest my Nik because he's not an actor. (would look soooooo damn hot as Two Face, though)

I'll let you know when I come across a guy who looks close to a Tim Sale style Two Face.

[cactusmaac]

Yes, but I take complex schemes to rule/destroy the world as bad manners. And Talia comes of as a little frumpy, depending on the artist.

No that's something different.

The Emperor took over the galaxy and killed all the Jedi.

But he liked opera.

Hence, he had class.

[The Joker]

LOL Didja get through the whole movie?

Barely. Felt kinda like I was in "A Clockwork Orange". :D
The only thing that really warrants a look at the DVD, is the documentary on the history of Catwoman. Which was fairly decent.


not set in Gotham???

Bruce specifically tells Ra's that he will stand on the way of Ra's and Gotham, after Ra's says Gotham must be destroyed.

edit...oops you are talking about a different Batman movie, arent you? But I'm sure all the Batfilms take place in Gotham.

Yeah man. I was referring to "Catwoman" with Halle Berry. Actually, it's good that "Catwoman" didnt take place in Gotham. I mean, WB was already desecrating Catwoman. Luckily Gotham was left alone.


She's hot, classy and a really good actress. The toughness can be LEARNED, fight training and whatnot, and acted.

I just have a hard time thinking Maggie could evoke a sense of being a physical threat when put up against Bale in a batsuit. With Angelina, not so much. Maggie's a good actress, but so is Angelina IMHO.

[Guts/Batman]

Barely. Felt kinda like I was in "A Clockwork Orange". :D
The only thing that really warrants a look at the DVD, is the documentary on the history of Catwoman. Which was fairly decent.

I just have a hard time thinking Maggie could evoke a sense of being a physical threat when put up against Bale in a batsuit. With Angelina, not so much. Maggie's a good actress, but so is Angelina IMHO.


Heh. Hollywood.

Who is this Melissa character? What other movies has she been in?

[The Joker]

Heh. Hollywood.

Who is this Melissa character? What other movies has she been in?

I'm not quite sure I follow. Who's Melissa? :confused:

[Apathy Boy]

My wish list:

Clive Owen as Two-Face
Vince Vaughn as the Riddler
Steve Buscemi as Ratcatcher
Joan Cusack as Jane Doe

[TheFan]

Given the more realistic and gritty tone this movie is going for, I can certainly see a (vastly simplified) Knightfall movie. Bane would pretty much stay as is, a highly trained, intelligent, and powerful man who for some reason wants to take down Batman. He should be hired to take down Batman, though even the crime lord that hires him will get upset when he quite literally unleashes bedlam on the city in the process, leading to Bane assuming control of the late crime lord's empire.

Bane's henchmen can likewise pretty much be kept as is. Possibly emphasize Trogg's military aspect and skill with heavy firearms more, since as a grappler he's kinda redundant with Bane around. Bird should have an entire flock of trained birds, one was just kinda silly. Zombie is good as is.

Azbats isn't necessary for this. Good in the comics, but this should be about Bruce and him bouncing back from failing his mission as protector of Gotham.

In this version Bruce would claim to have had his back broken in a motorcycle accident. There are techniques now that can save a severed spine if administered within 8 hours, so no need for the Russian psychic healer or whatever the heck that was arc.

He'll then embark on a second world tour, knowing that his injury and lengthy hospital stay has cost him much of his skill. He will find that someone new has taken over the League of Assassins, a mysterious woman calling herself Lady Shiva. Bruce would seek her out, and she would train him again, claiming that she has cleaned up the League and is not as bad as Ra's was. A relationship would start to develop between the two, but then she would turn on him. She's actually Talia al'Ghul, and it was on her suggestion that the crime lord hired Bane. She's seeking revenge for her father's death, and when she found out that Batman had survived she lured him here to try to finish it. She retrained him because she did not want to kill an unworthy opponent.

Bruce would escape, and return to Gotham to reclaim his city from both Bane and the League's minions (an attempt to work in the Armless Master's students). Last scene would be Lady Shiva apologizing to someone for failing. Guess who?

Wow, that was longer than I meant it to be. What do you think?

[Donald M.]

Not a bad idea, Fan. A Knightfall movie could potentially work, though I'm no fan of Bane.

My own basic idea for the Batman Begins sequel: Rupert Thorne (corrupt Gotham City Councilman hoping to ride a wave of anti-Batman sentiment that he in part created into the Gotham City mayor's office and beyond) has Dr. Hugo Strange (Jonathan Crane's replacement as head of Arkham Asylum, a position he got with Thorne's help) "create" the Joker by giving a surgical makeover to a crook Batman has faced before, the one mentioned at the end of Batman Begins.

He was a failed stand-up comedian who turned to crime to support his wife and young daughter. After they're killed in an accident he loses his mind and his crimes become increasingly violent as he takes to leaving a calling card - a Joker playing card, naturally - at the scenes of his crimes. Batman tracked him to his hideout, the abandoned Ace Chemical Factory, and in the fight that followed a bullet fired by the man pierces a drum of industrial waste and he's doused with burning chemicals. Batman rushes him to the hospital and he miraculously survives, but since there's only so much the hospital can or will do for such a person, the still terribly scarred criminal is packed off to Arkham to rot.

There, Hugo Strange takes a personal interest in the killer and his darkly cynical outlook on life: life is a twisted joke that only the insane genuinely get, as madness is the only sane response to such a brutal and senseless world. Since life is brutal, might as well be even more brutal. Since lifes a joke, might as well laugh. He hates Batman though. Batman's obviously insane - who in their right mind dresses like a giant bat? - but he fights on the side of law and justice, making Batman the antithesis of his own twisted philosophy.

Strange, an accomplished surgeon as well as a psychologist, turns the scarred killer into the likeness of his own chosen icon, the Joker, and stages an escape for him.

As the Joker's body count piles up, Thorne and Strange leak the story of how Batman "created" the Joker by dousing a previously minor criminal in toxic chemicals and leaving him to die. This has the intended effect, with the public turning against Batman and Thorne taking the Gotham mayoral election in a landslide. Meanwhile, the Joker somehow learns or figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman.

With the Joker having served his purpose, Hugo Strange attempts to lure him into a trap to do away with him, but the Joker overcomes the trap, kills strange and takes over Arkham Asylum. He then kidnaps newly-elected Mayor Thorne and Bruce Wayne's current girlfriend, Thorne's personal assisstant Silver St. Cloud.

As part of a twisted plan to prove that Batman is just like him, just as capable of violence, the Joker forces him to make a terrible choice: kill Thorne or Silver dies.

Naturally, Batman wins in the end, the Joker snuffs it and Thorne's political career is ruined.

During the ordeal Silver realizes Batman is her boyfriend Bruce Wayne and confronts him on the issue. Bruce, who has found himself being drawn out his shell by his romance with Silver, offers to give up being Batman for her sake, but knowing that his nightly crusade is necessary, both for Gotham and for himself, she turns him down and leaves Gotham.

[The Joker]

Pretty good stuff there, Donald.

[Gaz]

I'm not quite sure I follow. Who's Melissa? :confused:
I think he means Maggie.
And, Bale didn't look like he could threaten ANYONE in The Machinist, neither did Maguire in Pleasantville, or Jackman in Oklahoma (what was that other stage show he did, he was DEFINITELY not Logan in that), or Garner in 13 Going On 30.
That kind of thing can be trained for.

[Guts/Batman]

I'm not quite sure I follow. Who's Melissa? :confused:



Oops had the wrong name.

Maggie Gyllenhaal

[The Joker]

Oops had the wrong name.

Maggie Gyllenhaal

Ok. Just wanted to make sure I understood you.


I think he means Maggie.
And, Bale didn't look like he could threaten ANYONE in The Machinist, neither did Maguire in Pleasantville, or Jackman in Oklahoma (what was that other stage show he did, he was DEFINITELY not Logan in that), or Garner in 13 Going On 30.
That kind of thing can be trained for.

Bale no doubt got the attention from WB execs, not from The Machinist. But from "American Psycho" more than anything else.
Maguire is good, very good infact, at playing the outsider nerd. And that no doubt played a factor in his getting the job for Spidey. Actually, Maguire had his fair share of fans lobbying for him to get the role of Spider-Man before it eventually happened. Wes Bentley was another who had his fair share of supporters as well. It was obvious that WB was going for a more unassuming type for Spider-Man. Sure, Bale could have done it. He obviously could have TRAINED for it. Doesnt mean he would have been RIGHT for the role though.

Jackman is the exception. But wasnt the FIRST choice.
Actually, it's something of a miracle that X-Men was any good at all. Given the circumstances in the making of it.

Garner has been on ALIAS for awhile now. Years even. Which probably had a hand in her landing Elektra as well. 13 going on 30 has no merit here.

If we are going by the rationale of a good actress training for the role, then I would pick Reese Witherspoon. Problem is, I dont think she's right for this role. Same goes for Maggie. For the mass audience, it's simply more plausible to imagine a Angelina Jolie/Jessica Biel/Eliza Dushku type than a Gyllenhaal/Witherspoon/Birch type.

And for good reason.

[Guts/Batman]

Count me as one that didn't like X-Men too well. (Given I'm not an X-Men enthusiast).

I agree with the last point as well, Joker.

[The Joker]

I'm with you on that one Guts/Batman. Although I thought X-Men was good at parts, it definately wasnt anything to brag about. Good to decent at best. Nothing great or spectacular. Thats for sure.
Although I find myself being appreciative towards the film, simply because it brought comic book based movies back into the mainstream.

Not a big X-Men fan either, so maybe I'm biased. But I knew a few guys who were co-workers of mine who actually were huge X-Men fans, and they werent too pleased with it either. Way back in 2000.

[Guts/Batman]

There's just some fans you can't please. No matter what you do.

Tell ya the truth I don't remember a ton of the first X-Men so I would probably have to watch it again to see if it has worn on me for any positives.

What I am hoping for in the next 1 or 2 X-Men films is...Jean Grey returning as Phoenix. I like the idea of sentinels in X-3.

However, I want to see Jean Grey start to lose it by the end of X-3 then by the time X-4 rolls around, she has completely lost it and turns into Dark Phoenix.

Also, I want them to show how truly powerful Prof X is.

But I also wanna see the Juggurnaut. So many things I don't think I will get to see. :(

[The Joker]

Oh man, you should check out the recent (supposedly legit) script review of X3.

I'll see if I can dig it up for you.
It definately doesnt sound good though.

[Guts/Batman]

lol Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement to me.

I am leery of most Superhero movies, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[The Joker]

Heres the script review for X3.

SPOILERS:

If it’s an X3 bonanza you wanted, let’s get it going all the way, ay…

(Warning: Spoilers! And also a side note: I’ve only read the first two acts as the third act was locked down tighter than a Sharon Stone Basic Instinct vice grip on Michael Douglas’ groin.)

“A large silver BLADE slices through the black screen. Wolverine’s claw?

No. It is a STRAIGHT RAZOR, gleaming on a white counter in—

INT. UPSCALE BATHROOM – DAY

More MACRO SHOTS of: a rope, rubbing alcohol, steel brush, other strange instruments. Suddenly, we hear KNOCKING.

INT. PENTHOUSE HALLWAY – DAY

WARREN WORTHINGTON SENIOR, a patrician father in an expensive suit, knocks on the door. Concerned.

WARREN SENIOR

Warren, son, what are you doing in there?”

Yeah, so it gets bloody. Junior is trying to cut himself. But unlike the normal teenager who does it to alleviate pain by causing pain, he’s actually trying to cut something right out of himself. He’s trying to cut the mutant right out of his body; he’s trying to cut off his wings. But the blonde boy is unsuccessful, and we’re given Warren Jr. (not officially Angel just yet) as our first new X-Men character.

The very next scene shows a young Xavier and a young Erik Lensherr (Magneto) in the back seat of a car driven by a furry blue Beast of a man. The two have a conversation that is essentially a prequel of their confrontations to come. They are friends now, but combative and, in Erik’s case, somewhat competitive.

As their car slows down, the name on the mailbox outside the car is revealed – GREY. Both Xavier and Erik walk in confidently. Erik makes mention of not wanting to meet “every one of them in person,” and Xavier responds that “this one is special.” This interior scene parallels the Iceman/parents scene from X2, except Jean is only 13 and pretty obviously powerful beyond her years. She’s already reading Xavier’s thoughts and she manages to lift the entire neighborhood street’s worth of cars into the air. This isn’t the same Jean Grey we’ve known and loved in the first two films. This is something different.

Finally, the last introduction scene gives us a revisiting of the White House scene from the opening of X2.

“INT. WHITE HOUSE – HALLWAYS – DAY

A large, blue figure passes the PRESIDENTIAL SEAL on the wall. Something is moving, fast, through the corridors of the White House. It is eerily reminiscent of another blue creature at the start of another movie.

We see more glimpses of this thing: his big blue furry feet move deeper and deeper into the core of the building. Finally, he swoops past two MARINE GUARDS with machine-guns.

By the time they look up, he is already gliding through an imposing, high-tech door with the Presidential Seal over the words SITUATION ROOM. An alarm BEEPS, as we…

CUT TO:

INT. WHITE HOUSE – SITUATION ROOM – DAY

PRESIDENT

You’re late, Hank.

On the monitors, scanners have identified his genetic signature: HENRY MCCOY. SECRETARY OF MUTANT AFFAIRS. The alarms go silent.

HANK

Sorry, Mr. President. Traffic on the beltway.”

It seems the new presidency is much more accepting of mutantkind. But here we see what is both one of the strengths and one of the weaknesses of this script as a whole. The parallels to the first two films don’t go away. In fact, we see more of the exact same. In both the first two films, we had interesting and hearty character interactions and rapports, a well-developed villain in Magneto who is more greyly shaded than many realize, and some fun intros and boisterous second acts. Again, we have some interesting character introductions (heck, with such a plethora of good characters to choose from, it’d be hard not to get most of these right), and I’ll get into both Beast’s and Angel’s effective scenes in just a bit. But the villainous sidekicks always seem to get reduced to near Bane-like levels of idiocy (Sabretooth in X1, Lady Deathstrike in X2, and in X3 we have a listless Juggernaut, who is nothing more than a henchman among Magneto’s Brotherhood.) Also, the second act in X3 doesn’t cook nearly as much as the Military vs. the School of Mutants in X2, and it’s more discombobulated, like some of the scenes out of X1. We need one X-Men member to shine in the second act and basically take over the show (like Wolvie did in the school), but we’re not given that here.

Also, the main arching plot in these films is always some lame attempt by someone to change mutants to humans, humans to mutants, or kill one or the other. It’s no different in this script, too, as the plot consists mainly of Worthington Sr.’s plan to de-mutant the collective homo sapien superiors of the world by injecting them with a de-mutant serum. That’s right. A frikkin’ de-mutant serum that glows blue. What is it with the writers for this series and their fascination with serums and machines that alter genetic make-ups? So no, there is no Apocalypse. There are no Sentinels. What we have here is a good ol’ fashioned serum of death as our enemy of choice. And to prove it works, we get a firsthand glimpse of our favorite pseudo-naked blue mutant, Mystique, as she is injected with the serum and she becomes a no-longer-blue version of herself – I just hope she’s still naked when the transformation occurs.

Ok ok, it’s not all bad. There’s a prison break sequence involving a bunch of bad muties on Alcatraz Island. Magneto, amidst all the hubbub of the deadly serum, has once again decided to fight the homo sapiens with his homo superior force. Amongst those that he breaks out are Avalanche, Cannonball, and…

“That Cajun-looking fellow with a thick mop of hair: GAMBIT”

Also among those broken out of the prison is one Cain Marko, otherwise known as Juggernaut. But as mentioned above, he serves no other purpose than to be a lowly henchman for Magneto for the first two acts. What a complete and utter letdown. Gambit, too, doesn’t have anything interesting to do in the first two acts. His appearance is nothing more than a cameo, although he could play a role in the deciding fight at the end of the film, no doubt. Lastly, there is one prisoner who defies all laws of mutantcy and actually masks other mutants’ abilities whenever they near him. His name is Leech, and he is the focal point of the serum. Much like in X2, we have a pretty lame mutant who provides some sort of bodily secretion for a crazed man wanting to get rid of mutantkind – lame and vapid writing if you ask me. The scene ends with Magneto destroying the Golden Gate Bridge in order to build a new bridge for he and the escaped muties to flee on. His powers are on awesome display, and I again wonder why it is that he doesn’t just kill anyone in his path if his powers are so unbelievably strong. And if you say it’s because of Xavier, well, just keep reading.

On the X-Men front, Rogue is having trouble with Ice Man because they can’t touch each other. He begins flirting with Kitty Pride (aka Maggie Grace from “Lost”), and Rogue decides the mutant “cure” might be her best and only option to be with Bobby long-term. She also attends Brotherhood meetings, although the script is unclear if it’s because she’s spying on them or if she actually is contemplating joining. Rogue is again given one of the roundest and most dynamic roles in the film, and it’s too bad the script can’t find a way to make her more of a centerpiece instead of the occasional side moment. On the cool side of things (both literally and figuratively), Bobby and Kitty both share time in none other than the Danger Room. It’s a relatively short sequence, and it’s not all that well-written (of all the things you could do in something as neat as the Danger Room, why have a bunch of bullets flying at two mutants during a World War II setting?!?), but at least it’s given a nod in this film instead of completely forgotten about in the others. It’s easy to feel Bobby’s teenage desires kick in here over his loyalty and relationship with the untouchable Rogue. The X-Men scripts nail the interpersonal relationships of the X-Men and the Brotherhood (well, at least as far as Magneto and Mystique are concerned), and this film is no exception.

Beast has an interesting scene with Iceman and Kitty Pride when they infiltrate the Worthington company to decipher if the advertised mutant “cure” is for real or not. If done right, it could be one of the best sequences in the first two acts. The key will be getting Beast’s super dexterity to a realistically believable level. The script describes his movements as:

“breathtaking to behold. He is beyond agile, a blur of acrobatic blue fur. He works his way through the final gauntlet of security, and enters the main lab, where he snatches a sample of the cure.”

I just don’t want to end up with a big CGI-fest of movements like those that Yoda or the Emperor perform in Episode III. Talk about jarring and pulling you out of any semblance of reality… ugh. And the Kelsey Grammer casting isn’t exactly awe-inspiring either. Beast could end up being a cluster-fuck of a character if they don’t nail his CGI appearance and movements down.


To be continued ....

[The Joker]

Continued X3 script review...

SPOILERS:

Finally, in terms of the X-Men, my favorite scene in the script involves Warren Jr.’s decision to not undergo the “cure” to his mutant birth. With his wings held under his trench coat by a complex harness, the scene unfolds…

“WARREN

Wait, I don’t want to do this.

WORTHINGTON SR.

Warren, just calm down.

WARREN

No. Stop!

Worthington joins the orderlies in trying to hold him still.

WORTHINGTON SR.

Do it. Quickly!

Warren’s thrashing starts loosening the straps. He strains against his harness and suddenly…

SNAP!

The harness breaks into pieces and…

HIS WINGS UNFURL!

It is a magnificent sight, truly inspiring to behold. Everyone in the room freezes.

Even his father is speechless. For a moment.

WORTHINGTON SR.

Warren… we discussed this. This is what you want.

WARREN

No. It’s what you want.

Seeing the guards blocking the door, Angel spins to the glass windows –

WORTHINGTON SR.

Warren, NO!

And dives through them!

EXT. WORTHINGTON INDUSTRIES

The line of mutants look up as glass fragments explode out from the façade of the building. They watch in awe as…

AN ANGEL SOARS OVER THEM.

Some cross themselves, others merely stare, but none of them will forget this moment. They shield their eyes as ANGEL disappears into the sky.”

I have no idea what they plan on using Angel for in the future (Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, anyone?), but he ends up at the X-Mansion at the end of Act II. It’s where he belongs. For what little he is in the script that I have read, he’s given plenty of room to shine. It will be interesting to see what actor they get for the role and also what part the character will play in the finale.

Big surprise – Jean Grey does come back, except she’s not that shy, selfless girl learning to find and use her powers anymore. She’s something else entirely, and it’s a doozy. They don’t call her Phoenix, but it’s obvious she is no longer Doctor Grey. She has very little control of her powers at first, too. And when I say very little control, I mean it. Take this first encounter with her when our washed up Cyclops, with full-on scruffy look, decides to risk a trip back to Alkali Lake…

“The water parts.

Something emerges from the center of the lake.

A flicker gets brighter, lighting the lake.

A creature of PURE ENERGY rises from the depths.

It glows like a living star, emanating wave after wave of telekinetic energy.

Scott watches, awestruck, as the star slowly descends, and the maelstrom of gravity passes. As the glow flutters, Scott takes his first step forward.

He is shocked by what he sees in the epicenter:

SCOTT

Jean…?

She is alive. Jean Grey is reborn.

She looks at her limbs, her skin. Stunned, disoriented.

SCOTT (CONT’D)

(muttering)

A dream… Has to be a dream…

But she looks up. She seems real. She blinks, slowly recognizing him, memories flooding back now.

JEAN

(a whisper)

Scott?

Her voice makes him believe. His tears of pain turn to tears of joy. He steps toward her.

SCOTT

How… how could you come back?

Jean looks at her limbs again, feeling her power.

JEAN

(still dazed)

I don’t know.

Scott doesn’t care. He takes her in his arms, and holds her close, hugging tight. He pulls back, looks at her.

JEAN (CONT’D)

Take these off.

She reaches toward his glasses. He reels back, protecting her. She shakes her head, feeling her strength.

JEAN (CONT’D)

Trust me. I can control it.”

Except she can’t. The script describes Scott’s skin as “shivering” until he is simply de-molecularized. No more Cyclops. Poof, he up and vanishes like a fart in the wind. Now, I don’t have a particular fondness for the character of Cyke, and if he were the only X-Men character that she decimates, it might actually work for the better. James Marsden was never a particularly strong actor, and his only legitimate place in the first two films has been as the thorn in Wolverine’s side in acquiring the love of Jean Grey. But even Wolvie can smell something fishy about this particular version of Jean. And he finds out from the Professor that Xavier himself put mental blocks in Jean’s mind when she was young (remember the 13-year-old visit?) so that she couldn’t harm anyone with her extraordinary powers.

Unfortunately for Xavier, not only are those mental blocks now gone, but she also finds out from Magneto that the Professor put those blocks in without asking her. Big mistake. In a trip back to a setting from the beginning of the film, both Magneto and his Brotherhood (including henchman-like Juggernaut) meet Xavier and his X-Men at Jean’s old home. Jean, or what’s left of her, is inside and the Professor and Magneto go in alone to see her. This is when Magneto reveals to her that the Professor was the one who blocked her mind. She seems none too pleased with this, and the two mental powerhouses lock minds. [OKAY... HERE’S WHERE I HAD TO REMOVE A CHUNK OF THE MOST SPOILERY STUFF, SIMPLY BECAUSE I CAN’T RUIN IT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE THIS FAR AWAY FROM RELEASE - Moriarty]

I guess that’s one way to go about writing the Dark Phoenix Saga…

:rolls eyes and makes wretching motions toward the script:

So Cyclops is dead, and an annoying but sexually active Storm has taken his place as field leader. Magneto is ready to seize his opportunity of freedom to destroy mankind, although without his most helpful of mutants, Mystique, who is no longer a member of homo sapien superior-kind. And Phoenix is flying all crazy-like somewhere, just waiting to de-molecularize the next person who tries to kiss her or screw with her mind. Act III probably won’t be able to top the first two acts, both in effective character-building rapport (probably the best thing about the X-Men films, really) as well as sheer lunacy. The deaths or de-mutantinizations of four important characters from the first two films absolutely screams of problems with contract renewals. Oh well. I just hope they get Angela Bassett to lead the X-Men, because I sure as hell ain’t gonna buy into weak-assed Halle Berry leading the charge.

To be continued ....

[The Joker]

And the last of it.

Continued X3 script review.

Spoilers:

What works? The character interactions, especially the X-Men, are top-notch. I’m very wary about the Storm/Wolverine relationship, mostly because the two don’t do anything in the first two acts except screw each other, but besides that, the interplays between the characters are well done. The threesome of Bobby, Kitty, and Rogue are developed in a cogent and convincing manner. As mentioned above, Rogue is given some fleshy material for her character, and Paquin could run with it. Beast has an honest chance to stand out, too, although that could be for either good or bad reasons. The character is given a decent work-up as one of the original X-Men of Xavier’s school, and his interactions with the current X-Men and his physical feats are both well-written. Is it too much to ask that an actual artist be given the reins of animating his dexterous moments and blue furry self as opposed to some vacuous CGI wannabe? I think having a true artist in charge of these CGI moments is going to be paramount to whether or not Beast actually works on-screen or not. Also working in the script is Phoenix’s electric bursts – I may not agree with how and why the script makes her do what she does, but her power is undeniable. Let’s just hope that the effects look a little more interesting and real than the cartoonish fire Jean was emitting at the end of X2. Magneto, too, is given an interesting moment with Mystique as he recognizes she has been devolved into a human being. Whereas the X-Men band together, we see the divisive nature of the Brotherhood in action here, and it works. Lastly, the character intro for Angel as he flies out the window is nailed.

What’s not so hot? Well, the plot sucks, and that’s never a good sign. When the driving point of the plot is a blue serum derived from a useless mutant (read: Plot Device), I’d have to say the studio probably got its money’s worth out of the monkey assembly line in the basement. Ouch. If the Sentinels show up in the third act, it’s redeemed. Otherwise, this feels like a cop-out of sorts. Meanwhile, Wolverine feels like he’s been neutered (or is it just pussy-whipped by Storm?), and really doesn’t do much except hang out with Storm the whole time – not the best use of the most well-known X-Man around. And Storm’s annoying as usual. If they really want to hand the face of the X-Men over to Halle Berry, woe to the unsuspecting fan who walks into that theatre. Cyke dying wasn’t so horrible (he may’ve been the glue for the X-Men team, but he was just anal enough for me not to really care – plus, as I said above, Marsden was pretty mediocre), but [THE SECOND CHARACTER TO DIE] went out with almost nothing but a whimper. His character in this film is severely underdeveloped, and what’s worse is that they add Cain Marko just as [SOMEONE] is killed off? Weirdsville. The Mystique devolution really blows, too, as she’s the only character who could hold a candle to Magneto on the Brotherhood side of things. Say what you want about how they’ve overused the character in the first two films, but Romijin has actually grown into a decent actress in the last few years. Losing her feels like a punch in the gut to the credibility of the Brotherhood. Oh, and did I forget to mention the lack of decent action pieces? The Beast infiltration of the Worthington Industries lab isn’t bad, but it’s written as if it’s a 60-second montage, not a driving scene. Magneto’s break-in of the prison could be interesting, too, but it’s certainly not written as such on the page. The director is going to have to have vision to pull off both of these sequences, which leads to…

Good luck to the director who takes on this project. Vaughn probably knew this one was about to blow up in his face, and that’s why he ran. Maybe a strong writer can come in and still make this an effective script, but the main plot, and the utter oblivion of [ONE OF THE CHARACTERS] especially, are currently a death knell in this project. And now that Ratner’s aboard, well, good luck X-Fans is more like it.

Hope this message finds you and finds you well…

Like I said, definately doesnt sound good. By any stretch of the imagination.

[GreenHornet]

Chances are you folks know WHO I want to see in a Batman cross over movie.

But ( sigh) who could honestly write a story were Kato and Robin would fight to a " God I hate this term and am not from Mexico" a "Mexican Stand-off"


Man to write a story using those two, wished I had the money to pay what ever legal fees I had too

[samuraizero]

Movie 2: Do the Joker. Then he is sent to an asylum. Then introduce Harly Quinn who breaks him out.

Movie 3: Two Face with Bane as an asassain.

Movie 4: Joker's back. Only now, he's got Scarecrow and Killer Croc with him. The Scarecrow now has a scythe that emits a fear gas far more powerful than before.

Movie 5: Riddler comes in with Killer Croc.

Movie 6: Hush seeks revenge on the Riddler for killing his father. The Joker dies by being shot by Hush. But before that, he unleashes his super creation called Man Bat.
To be honest batman begins is based on Frank Millers Year One so i would think they would do the nxt batman on year two....

[Guts/Batman]

To be honest batman begins is based on Frank Millers Year One so i would think they would do the nxt batman on year two....

Is Miller's Batman the only dark Batman? They just don't have to do asshole Batman, that's all. They can stray from continuity a bit.

They don't need to go strictly by continuity. (For some characters yes, Venom before Carnage being an example).

[Twistedreject]

Poison Ivy - Emily Blunt

She's a great, sexy actress who looks amazing with red hair.

I'd love to see a darker Poison Ivy in the new Batman Movies.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9366/emily_blunt.jpg

[mr.brighteyes]

Blunt would work well as Poison Ivy

I like http://stiboo.com/pics/jim_parsons.jpg as the Riddler but he may be better as the toy man in that picture. I like the idea of Mad Hatter being in the movie but I doubt they will use him

Philip Seymour Hoffman would make a decent Penguin and I'd like to see him in the Iceberg Lounge trafficking capacity but I doubt we will.

http://www.oracleheaven.com/ian_ab3.jpg Ian Abercrombie or John Lithgow http://broadwayworld.com/upload/31926/john.jpg would either make a really good Arnold Wesker

[Ninth Hispana]

......King Tut, played by a possessed John Lithgow. Hmm...stomping through Gotham in a giant robot Sphinx.....:smile:

[mr.brighteyes]

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/10/06/previews/John%20Malkovich-JTM-029996.jpg

Victor Freeze I don't know why I never thought of this before.

[mr.brighteyes]

......King Tut, played by a possessed John Lithgow. Hmm...stomping through Gotham in a giant robot Sphinx.....:smile:

Arnold Wesker was the Ventriloquist. Not King Tut

[Ninth Hispana]

....Yes indeed, but seeing John Lithgow's photo reminded me of a King Tut idea I had:smile: