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jewdaddy
06-13-2005, 04:58 PM
anyone care to clue me in on what wizard thinks the seven possibilitys for permenant change is.

Uncensored
06-13-2005, 05:33 PM
Yes, clue me in as well. I forgot to buy Wizard last month.

pesmerga316
06-13-2005, 07:45 PM
Ill post the ones I remember

THe number of mutants will drastacilly decrease, and will set the Xmen back big time

Doc Strange will die saving wanda and she will become Sorcerres Supreme

Peter and MJ breakup (won't happen JMS even said its bs thank god)

cosmicspidey
06-13-2005, 11:54 PM
In addition to what pesmerga mentioned:

DD's ID becomes secret again.

Thor shows up and saves the day.

616 and Ultimate Universes merge.



There were only 6, BTW.

Uncensored
06-14-2005, 12:06 AM
616 and Ultimate Universes merge.

How the hell would something like that even be possible?

cosmicspidey
06-14-2005, 12:07 AM
How the hell would something like that even be possible?

Magic. :D

Dark Soul # 7
06-14-2005, 12:41 AM
THe number of mutants will drastacilly decrease, and will set the Xmen back big time
This could be very intressting: Iīve heard that it would set back to like 300.
Doc Strange will die saving wanda and she will become Sorcerres Supreme
Could happen, but Iīd miss Dr.Strange.
Peter and MJ breakup (won't happen JMS even said its bs thank god)
Thank god indeed!
DD's ID becomes secret again.
Donīt read DD, donīt care.
Thor shows up and saves the day.
I hope not, itīs too soon for Thor to return.
616 and Ultimate Universes merge.
That would be really stupid.

Rich L
06-14-2005, 12:55 AM
Let's see; apparently only one of these is actually going to happen:

DD's ID becomes secret again.

Not likely. You have a big Avengers/X-Men crossover and the end result is people forget Matt Murdock is DD? Riiiight....

Thor shows up and saves the day.

Again, not likely. Thor will be back when his new series launches. Not before.

616 and Ultimate Universes merge.

No. Marvel wouldn't kill the cash cow that is the Ultimate U by bringing it into the mainstream.

Peter and MJ breakup.

No. Seriously, they spend ages getting them back together and settiug up a new dynamic and this is how they handle it? No.

Doc Strange will die saving wanda and she will become Sorcerres Supreme.

Doubtful. Strange is an intergral if little-seen part of the MU; I can't see them offing him, and I can't see Wanda surviving the mini-series.

The number of mutants will drastacilly decrease, and will set the Xmen back big time

There you go! Everyone's got a mutant friend in the MU these days and its time they went back to being a persecuted minority! The only problem is once you add up most of the existing characters, you've probably got your 300 mutants right there. I think we can expect some mutant deaths over the course of the mini....but this is the one my money's on.

1HELLBOY
06-14-2005, 02:48 AM
It's said that the number of mutants would drop down to FIVE hundred, not three hundred.

Dark Soul # 7
06-14-2005, 02:55 AM
It's said that the number of mutants would drop down to FIVE hundred, not three hundred.
How many mutants is there anyway?

Huzzah!
06-14-2005, 04:07 AM
16 million or so. But most seem to be of the grant morrison school of mutant in that they either have something arbitrary attached, say an ear to a forehead, or have the mutant power to possess something. Good news is, chances are thing can find himself a girlfriend now and hang out with the rest of the fraggle rock gang

Uncensored
06-14-2005, 12:04 PM
Does it have to be one of those? Because I don't really see any of them as being something that will shake the entire MU. The mutant one might slightly, but not on the grand scale that Marvel is hyping it up to be.

Alan2099
06-14-2005, 12:15 PM
Thor shows up as the new identity of Daredevil, after emrging with his Ultimate counterpart, killing a whole lot of mutants, hooking up with MJ, and umm...something with Dr. Strange and Wanda. I dunno on that last one.

jewdaddy
06-14-2005, 05:25 PM
Dude we need alan to write comics.

Nightcrawler
06-14-2005, 05:40 PM
If MU and Ultimate Universe merge...I can't even think about that...I gotta go...

Gaz
06-14-2005, 05:58 PM
The Wanda thing would work precisely FOR the reasons against it given. Strange is integrel, so killing him is big. And Wanda NOT dying would shock a lot of people. And it will likely be a small number of changes to various areas, so DD's ID being forgot may well be a side-effect.

1HELLBOY
06-14-2005, 06:41 PM
If MU and Ultimate Universe merge...I can't even think about that...I gotta go...


That's already happening in the Ultimate FF and Regular FF Universes. I know, it's a horrible idea. It shouldn't happen at all.

All of the ones that actually DO make sense, should all happen as sidenotes in the main story. The ones that I can see happening are Thor returns, but as a sidenote leading up to his new Series. DD's identity becoming a secrete again, again as a sidenote. Dr. Strange dieing is a very bad idea, and shouldn't(and probably won't) happen. Peter will STILL be married to MJ even if I have to go to Marvel, break down the door and demand it of Joey Q. And I'm sure the one thing that WILL happen is that the mutant number will be dropped down considerably. Too 300, I made a mistake in my last post. It is 300, not 500. Sorry.

Alan2099
06-14-2005, 07:08 PM
Dude we need alan to write comics.
If anybody at Marvel is reading this, I'll work really cheap.

pesmerga316
06-14-2005, 07:36 PM
Guys one of these will happen but its not the only big thing that will happen to marvel, the rest of the aftermath is secret still

Rich L
06-15-2005, 01:10 AM
That's already happening in the Ultimate FF and Regular FF Universes. I know, it's a horrible idea. It shouldn't happen at all.


I thought the alternate universe that UltFF were travelling to was one that was similar to the regular MU, not the actual regular MU - meaning that the alternate FF in UltFF can get killed.

1HELLBOY
06-15-2005, 01:15 AM
I thought the alternate universe that UltFF were travelling to was one that was similar to the regular MU, not the actual regular MU - meaning that the alternate FF in UltFF can get killed.


Nope the Ult. FF are actually going to the Regular FF in the Regular Marvel Universe. Straight from Miller's mouth(not in so many words, but that's definately what he meant) There's a drawing by Land in Wizard #165 that is split down the middle by a machine. On the left side, is Ult. Reed, on the right side is 616 Reed. And they're both facing each other with a VERY stunned look on their faces. And Miller said, and I quote, "I'm going to hobble the bastard that leaked this picture."

jackalope
06-15-2005, 07:32 AM
DD's ID becomes secret again.

The Jean Loring (Who?) Ending. This would be a collasal let-down.

Thor shows up and saves the day.

This seems most likely to me. It could provide an easy vehicle to relaunch Thor.

616 and Ultimate Universes merge.

This is the "Cause Needless Anxiety In Slow Witted Fanboys" option. Somewhere some guy is really freaking out that this is what's going to happen, and he's starting at the preview art for UFF#20ish (with Magneto om the cover), and he's sweating bullets. Relax little buddy, not going to happen. Merging the universes would reduce the number of comics they sell, and kill some of their best lines.

Peter and MJ breakup.

Yeah, right. JMS says no, my gut says no, this is a fake-out.

Doc Strange will die saving wanda and she will become Sorcerres Supreme.

I doubt it, especially since Bendis has decided her "magic" is just an effect of her powers. But still, this would rock my socks.

The number of mutants will drastacilly decrease, and will set the Xmen back big time

This would ruin District X, which is sad cause I love DX, but it could set the stage for an X-Men reboot, which would do something many people thought impossible: it'd get me reading X-titles again! (Well, not counting AXM and UltXM, which I already read).

Rich L
06-15-2005, 09:22 AM
Nope the Ult. FF are actually going to the Regular FF in the Regular Marvel Universe. Straight from Miller's mouth(not in so many words, but that's definately what he meant) There's a drawing by Land in Wizard #165 that is split down the middle by a machine. On the left side, is Ult. Reed, on the right side is 616 Reed. And they're both facing each other with a VERY stunned look on their faces. And Miller said, and I quote, "I'm going to hobble the bastard that leaked this picture."

I'd heard all that, and seen the cover. Personally I think this is just Millar's hype machine as usual ("A major X-Man will die! No, really, one of the stars of the '90s and a huge character!" :rolleyes: ) The man can self-promote like no-one else.

Want to bet its not the MU proper when all's said and done?

Gaz
06-15-2005, 09:23 AM
I'd heard all that, and seen the cover. Personally I think this is just Millar's hype machine as usual ("A major X-Man will die! No, really, one of the stars of the '90s and a huge character!" :rolleyes: ) The man can self-promote like no-one else.

Want to bet its not the MU proper when all's said and done?
Even our very own Sean McKeever? :p

Rich L
06-15-2005, 10:15 AM
Even our very own Sean McKeever? :p

Heh, true.

But at least Sean's hype is 87% accurate. ;)

jam1
06-15-2005, 10:45 AM
Heh, it's true, Millar is usually full of s**t. :) He's a shameless self-promoter.

1HELLBOY
06-16-2005, 09:28 PM
I'd heard all that, and seen the cover. Personally I think this is just Millar's hype machine as usual ("A major X-Man will die! No, really, one of the stars of the '90s and a huge character!" :rolleyes: ) The man can self-promote like no-one else.

Want to bet its not the MU proper when all's said and done?


Meh, either way, i hope it doesn't happen.

Sixth_Winged
06-17-2005, 02:45 AM
Ultimate U and Mainstream U merging..................That's really dumb. If they do that Marvel will go down bigtime.

So the mutants decreasing would probably happen? It's a bit daunting IMO. and here I was believing that humans were supposed to be extinguished and turne into mutants in the near future. It's not a bad concept but I guess if that happens it would be kinda like Paradise X where heroes are almost useless as the next joe.

Huzzah!
06-17-2005, 04:06 AM
i never like the mutants will replace in 5 generations as it seemed far to infessible with the time of evolution and what not.

Plus i sort of see the mutants now as a testing of the replacement. Not just mutants as a whole being the replacement but rather one strand sort of domination (the mind mutants)

Ultimate merge doubt it. The only good that could come from that is ultimate thor coming to normal universe. And it wouldnt be that big of a change quite frankly as ultimate should, in most cases, just be called Classic as its just a retelling of old stories, save Ultimates i suppose, which is the best.

Thor coming back and kicking magnetos ass. I doubt it simply because i dont think thor could do it. Magneto is more and more uber powered every day. Thor used to get his arse kicked by the pre gen 13 grundge guy who swung that metal ball...absorbing man? He could come back but i doubt he will in this context.

Daredevils identity a secret again? Doubt that simply because who cares quite frankly. they made such a fuss over it it seems foolish to backtrack.

Peter and MJ breaking up. Well house of m could show peter how married life to gwen was and that might make him reconsider marriage to mj...but again marvel has already put to much in this to retcon it.Also relosing ben and gwen (rhyme) might make him more protect and more wanting to perserve the relationships with may and MJ (another rhyme). And although i dislike MJ i would never want to see peter break it off with her because thats just not very parker.

Dr. Strange dying? Could be. People have been suspecting he would kick the bucket for years. He's a gimmick now anyway.

MrBiggs7
06-17-2005, 05:50 AM
Regarding Ultimate/Mainstream merger-I wouldn't mind Spiderman with organic webshooters. That is all.

Dr Strange dying to save Wanda-Big deal to those of us who grew up with Strange being the supreme magician and sorcerer of the Marvel U but we can definately go on without him. I like this idea and the Thor idea as well.

Jeremyreed
07-05-2005, 10:18 PM
Hey guys not to be a nitpick but webhead does have organics now it was a side effect of the good story/very badly drawn spec spiderman with Captain America. He turned into the spider and busted out and had natural webshooters.

Darksbane
07-06-2005, 12:27 PM
Right and considering the ultimate spidy doesn't have organic web shooters ...

Huzzah!
07-06-2005, 02:37 PM
The problem i have with organic webshooters is the whole idea of him having to make something to complete his spider powers was brilliant.

And im pretty sure an organic web shooter would come out his ass.

Charagon
07-06-2005, 02:55 PM
I will literally jump for joy if Spidey ends House of M minus the wrist penises.

Elevation
07-07-2005, 01:39 PM
i would love the mutants to be reduced. in the Spidey Troch series no one was impressed with the torch because he had superpowers. Marvel has gravely overpopulated their universe with people with special abilities. Anyone whos anyone can become a hero in MArvel universe now. take htis gravity charcter now.

RabidWolfe
07-07-2005, 07:07 PM
Thor shows up as the new identity of Daredevil, after emrging with his Ultimate counterpart, killing a whole lot of mutants, hooking up with MJ, and umm...something with Dr. Strange and Wanda. I dunno on that last one.

Thor, MJ, Dr. Strange and Wanda enter an "alternative marriage arrangement" in a free love commune they start somewhere in upstate New York.