Nip/Tuck -- Season Three

[Deathstroke]

Figured I'd start this one for everyone who is a fan of the show with the news that Rhona Mitra will join the show in a recurring role. She'll reportedly play a New York detective who comes to Miami to investigate the attack on Christian.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'm just glad there will BE a season three! I loved last season's ending. It played me on my expectations of the slasher guy. I was waiting along with Sean for the nut to show up and they do the twist at the end. Just brilliant!

When does season 3 start?

[Steve]

Shooting for Season 3 just started yesterday. From what I'm getting around various message boards, it will debut this September.

[Forefinger]

I can't wait for this, but at least Rescue Me will be on in the meantime. FX has the best dramas on TV. I'm also looking forward to checking out the nex series, Over There.

[Steve]

I can't wait for this, but at least Rescue Me will be on in the meantime. FX has the best dramas on TV. I'm also looking forward to checking out the nex series, Over There.
I agree. FX kicks ass.

The Shield. Rescue Me. Nip/Tuck. And now a possible hit by Bochco in Over There. I want to see what Bochco can do without the restraints of network TV. Great lineup.

By the way, both Dylan Walsh and Julian McMahon reportedly received bonuses of $300,000. And Joely Richardson also, but no amount have been released. Well deserved.

[Deathstroke]

Famke Janssen will film a fantasy scene to be used in the second episode of the new season. The show is still trying to work around her film schedule for appearances later in the season.

[Indigo Al]

Famke Janssen will film a fantasy scene to be used in the second episode of the new season. The show is still trying to work around her film schedule for appearances later in the season.

Awww man - I'm gonna have to balance my love for Famke with ..... that fact that we know about her character on the show...

[Ed Cunard]

This is the premiere I'm most looking forward to. I'm going batty trying to guess what's going on with it...

September can't come soon en--

September's tomorrow?

Sweet.

[Predator]

I don't want Famke's character back. Don't get me wrong, it's not because of her past. I just feel like her story was ended with enough closure that to bring her back would be cheap. It's backpeddling.

And I'm assuming that Julian survived the Carver's attack?

[Captain Trips]

Figured I'd start this one for everyone who is a fan of the show with the news that Rhona Mitra will join the show in a recurring role. She'll reportedly play a New York detective who comes to Miami to investigate the attack on Christian.


Any bets on how long after she shows up she has sex with him? Before the end of the first episode?

[VCreed32]

Awww man - I'm gonna have to balance my love for Famke with ..... that fact that we know about her character on the show...
Eww, hah ha.

[KenK]

Any bets on how long after she shows up she has sex with him? Before the end of the first episode?

Apparently, Christian's gonna do the deed with her AND Kimber in some nice little three-way action!

[Captain Trips]

Apparently, Christian's gonna do the deed with her AND Kimber in some nice little three-way action!

I knew I watched this show for a reason.

[Captain Trips]

And I'm assuming that Julian survived the Carver's attack?

The thing about that is, we never see the Carver slice Julian. We see a close up of him as he makes a slicing motion. I have a feeling he doesn't slice Christian at all, but maybe slices the pillow next to him. Maybe the Carver is proving a point to Shawn that neither he or anyone close to him is safe.

[Deathstroke]

Any bets on how long after she shows up she has sex with him? Before the end of the first episode?

Ahem

Reportedly, she'll be involved in a kinky threesome relationship with Christian and Kimber.

If memory serves correctly.

[Steve]

Well, the premiere's tonight, and it's 92 minutes, not one hour.

[Deathstroke]

Well, the premiere's tonight, and it's 92 minutes, not one hour.

And I'm sure they'll be lots of sex.

[Captain Trips]

Pretty good episode. I was really surprised by what the Carver did to Christian (and I don't mean the slashing of his neck).

And damn is that detective chick hot!

[Steve]

And I'm sure they'll be lots of sex.
I can only hope.

[DMike]

I was really surprised by what the Carver did to Christian (and I don't mean the slashing of his neck).

Considering what he did to previous victims (including the male model), I'm not surprised at all. If anything, I'm surprised it didn't happen to Sean the first time.

[Captain Trips]

Considering what he did to previous victims (including the male model), I'm not surprised at all. If anything, I'm surprised it didn't happen to Sean the first time.

I think I missed the episode with the male model, so I am not sure what happened to him (although I bet I could make a good guess). I didn't know he sexually assaulted his male victims. In fact, I didn't know he had any male victims other than Shawn and now Christian.

[KenK]

Considering what he did to previous victims (including the male model), I'm not surprised at all. If anything, I'm surprised it didn't happen to Sean the first time.

I think it's more personal with Sean and the Carver. Sean publicly offers surgery to the Carver's victims and the Carver sees that as a personal attack. His retaliation can't just be physical, which is probably why his attack on Sean wasn't as severe as his other victims. Furthermore, rather than go after Sean again, figuring he's got him on edge from the first attack(which he was right, since Season Two ended with Sean lying awake in bed with a gun), and knowing it'll have a more emotional impact, he goes after Christian.

[Captain Trips]

Did anyone watch the preview of the upcoming season that was shown after the episode was over? Matt had his head shaved and had bruises on his face. Not the Carver's m.o. obviously, but I am curious to see what that is about.

[Deathstroke]

The show drew it's biggest ratings ever with 5.3 million people tuning in.

[Ontir]

I've not read the other posts, as I don't have cable, and haven't seen the episode yet. I did, however, attend the Nip/Tuck panel discussion with Ryan Murphy, Greer something, Julian MacMahon, Joely Richardson, and Dylan Walsh @ the Museum of Television & Radio, the other night. It was quite good, and they showed us a recap of 2/teaser of 3 video, which included the mislead follow-up to Christian and the Carver.

Murphy said we've seen the person beneath the china mask before, that all the writers have taken a blood oath of secrecy as to his/her identity, and that we'll see his/her face in the final frame of the final scene of the season finale. MacMahon then said that knowing Murphy, he's not really decided who it is, and that if people start to get close, he'll switch it before the big revelation. Of Course MacMahon also spent a great deal of time talking about the C***-Socks that he and Walsh wear, and the odd situations they've found themselves in, on account of them. During one of his responses, he stopped and said, "That's very funny, I've just noticed your t-shirt. She's wearing a t-shirt that says 'Mrs. MacMahon.' I'm looking for a new one, you might get more than you're counting on!" It was a very amusing evening. The discussion was hosted by a writer for TV Guide, who says that as good as season 2 was, season 3 is better, and that it's not a case of pushing the envelope, it's that she can't tell where the envelope is anymore.

One of the things I really found interesting, was that the network signed on for a pilot script commitment knowing only that Murphy wanted to do a show about two men transforming themselves. The idea of plastic surgery didnt' come up until later.

There was also a funny story about the final audition that MacMahon and Walsh did together. They, and all the others, had finished, and one by one, the people around them were being called back in. They were not, so eventually they decided to leave. They got back to the valet, who produced their cars. MacMahon's was a brand new, totally pimped-out Cadillac, while Walsh's was an older BMW with bird excrement on the hood, and two car seats in the back seat. At that point they thought they weren't getting the parts, but if TPTB could have seen them at that point, that alone would have told them that these guys really were Christian and Shawn!

[VCreed32]

Just saw the previews... Matt is f'ed up!!

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I don't want Famke's character back. Don't get me wrong, it's not because of her past. I just feel like her story was ended with enough closure that to bring her back would be cheap. It's backpeddling.

And I'm assuming that Julian survived the Carver's attack?

WHOA! Don't EVER repeat that statement ever again. That is one of pure treason!

But the premeire was very good. It seems that Christian isn't his usually arrogant and cocky self and is forced to be humble until their's two hot girls to service him by show's end. Some things never change.

[KenK]

Just saw the previews... Matt is f'ed up!!


When is Matt NOT f'ed up?!? That's my question! If he's not running over Jesus freaks with the power to convert Jews to Christianity, he's having threesomes with thee head cheerleader and her alternate. If not that, he's trying to circumsize himself. If not that, he's masturbating outside the home of his mother's life coach. If not that, he's banging said life coach and having to compete with her son for her affections, as she's screwing her son, who turns out to be adopted. Oh, and SHE turns out to be a HE! A shaved head and some cuts and bruises is NOWHERE NEAR f'ed up in the life of Matt mcNamara. How he came by that makeover will probably be f'ed up, but we don't know what it is yet.

[VCreed32]

Shoot, he stays being mentally f'ed up, it's in the series bible. ;)
But lookswise, this is new.

[Predator]

WHOA! Don't EVER repeat that statement ever again. That is one of pure treason!

I'm just offering my opinion. After the emotional way she left last season, having her back just feels like a step backwards for the show.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'm just offering my opinion. After the emotional way she left last season, having her back just feels like a step backwards for the show.

I agree. Her story has been told and having her back could come off as being cheap.

The premiere episode was intense,sad and heart/soul affirming. Though Christan's love life is starting to get a bit too unreal. I mean, it might be every guy's fantasy and all, but he just met the Lady Cop(who's name I forget) and then they are having hot sex, then limber Kimber walks in, pouts a bit and then joins in??? It is a bit much.

[VCreed32]

Heh, sounds like a routine thing for doctor Christian Troy.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Heh, sounds like a routine thing for doctor Christian Troy.

True, but for me, it is getting to be old hat. The routine could quickly turn into a rut.

[Amokitty]

Her story has been told and having her back could come off as being cheap.

It felt like Ava and her son's storyline was finito. I mean, didn't she/he leave hoping to start a brand new life? I always thought she left knowing that things would never move forward with Christian, because he knew she wasn't woman enough for him, as it were....

I love Famke Janssen, but I think the writers should leave things as they are.

[VCreed32]

So the bald thing is Matt's own doing.

[KenK]

So the bald thing is Matt's own doing.

It's cliched soul-cleansing/expression of defiance. Like That kid at the end of Better Luck Tomorrow, or Demi Moore in GI Jane. Wanna show how deep you are, shave your head! :rolleyes:

[Erik Lehnsherr]

It felt like Ava and her son's storyline was finito. I mean, didn't she/he leave hoping to start a brand new life? I always thought she left knowing that things would never move forward with Christian, because he knew she wasn't woman enough for him, as it were....

I love Famke Janssen, but I think the writers should leave things as they are.

It would be funny if she was the Carver, wouldn't it?

[Captain Trips]

It would be funny if she was the Carver, wouldn't it?

Even though she was once a man, she no longer has a penis. Although, it would be an interesting plot twist if Christian was raped by a man who used to have a penis and now uses the strap-on variety.

[xmanson]

Man.. that police lady is messed up and luckily for Christina she digs some chicks too... hehe... the whole cast of charcaters are messed up... love this show. I've only watched half of the second season so far, but read some spoilers and decided to check season 3. Momma Boone was "cute".. almost got a tear from me. And is it just me or there was some kind of homoerotic vibe in the air in the secen with Quentin and Christian?

[Iron Maiden]

Quentin Costa, who is just about everyone's top Carver suspect, is definitely going to be the villain of this season in the same way Ava/Avery was for season two. In a recent Interview, Ryan Murphy says he is like Sean and Christian combined. He is as good, if not better surgeon than Sean and a better womanizer than Christian. But he definitely was creepy in the scene with Christian.

I really thought Christian got a pretty crappy welcome back from being gone a month. Liz wasn't exactly the welcome wagon, Sean was more worried about the appointment calendar and all Kimber seemed to be worried about was that she wasn't getting enough.

I also like characters from the past keep popping up, like Jude's head from under the covers at Julia's. I think she is finally getting a little more of a spine and won't depend on Sean so much anymore. She will be starting up a spa business in a partnership with Gina and Liz.

More spoilers for the future:

Quentin is bisexual and will supplant Sean in the partnership when Sean has another professional/personal crisis. Christian will become a Carver suspect himself, ironically enough, after certain incriminating items turn up in his apartment. Sean will have doubts about his innocence and won't help him get bailed out of jail.

[Indigo Al]

Alright, last night's ep has me seriously worried for the rest of the season. It seems like they're now trying to pile on every ridiculously outrageous thing they can think of, just for its own sake. That, and trying to see how much of a messed up freak they can make of Matt. And was the gorilla storyline even necessary?

It was nice to see Famke again tho....

My top 2 Carver suspects are presently Bruno Campos, and ole gas-huffing Merle (we never saw him die, did we?).

[KenK]

My top 2 Carver suspects are presently Bruno Campos, and ole gas-huffing Merle (we never saw him die, did we?).

I don't know what so many people were under the impression that Marle died. I think it was well established that the combination of huffing and blood loss was just enough to make him pass out and nothing more. Furthermore, that kind of mental state has too much vulnerability. The Carver is a much stronger personality than Merle. They writers put too much effort into defining him by his insecurities to do a 180 and make him the Carver. There's more method than madness when it comes to the Carver.

[Indigo Al]

I don't know what so many people were under the impression that Marle died. I think it was well established that the combination of huffing and blood loss was just enough to make him pass out and nothing more. Furthermore, that kind of mental state has too much vulnerability. The Carver is a much stronger personality than Merle. They writers put too much effort into defining him by his insecurities to do a 180 and make him the Carver. There's more method than madness when it comes to the Carver.

True...but it's the "Beauty is a curse upon the world" line that makes me think it's him. Merle always had a thing about his looks, and that was a big part of his jealousy towards christian.

[VCreed32]

No way it's Merle.
I hope the ex-gang banger comes back.
Now THAT was a hate crime.
I wonder what was more demoralizing to Matt, getting beat by "freaks" or the R Kelly treatment?
And see, Ava's arc has been resolved and we still get to see Famke. :)

[KenK]

Now THAT was a hate crime.
I wonder what was more demoralizing to Matt, getting beat by "freaks" or the R Kelly treatment?

The "R.Kelly". You have to figure, getting beat up, be it by freaks or not was merely a physical retaliation, speaking more to the emotional state of the aggressor. Peeing on someone is just cruel. The idea of expelling one's waste on another person is pretty damanging emotionally. It's a pretty strong message to send; "You're a toilet to me. You're a dark alley or a bush on the side of the road."

[VCreed32]

"speaking more to the emotional state of the aggressor."
I know, I'm talking about from Matt's POV.
There's a pretty clear distinction between "those guys whupped me" and "those freaks whupped me"

[Amokitty]

No doubt Matt's also traumatized by seeing Adrian's dead, maggott ridden body. That was just gross!

[Iron Maiden]

Alright, last night's ep has me seriously worried for the rest of the season. It seems like they're now trying to pile on every ridiculously outrageous thing they can think of, just for its own sake. That, and trying to see how much of a messed up freak they can make of Matt. And was the gorilla storyline even necessary?

It was nice to see Famke again tho....

My top 2 Carver suspects are presently Bruno Campos, and ole gas-huffing Merle (we never saw him die, did we?).

I suspect the gorilla storyline got trimmed in favor of Matt's freaky trip to the land of transgenders. From what I saw, Kiki was supposed to fall for Christian instead of her intended mate. The mate was going to reject her but not kill her as we heard Liz say. They were going to collect the male gorilla's sperm and artifically inseminate Kiki, with Christian somehow playing a part in that. I know because there was a quote from McMahon at a press conference for the show where he says in one episode he has to "make out with a monkey". Only on Nip/Tuck could they have pulled that one off. Maybe they decided it was too soon to go there after all he went through with the Carver.

Matt was never one of my favorite characters, mostly because of his ressemblance to Michael Jackson. I have no problem with the actor John Hensley himself but it is getting to be hard to accept him as Christian and Julia's son because he looks too old. They should ship Matt off to military school for a couple of years, like Sean threatened to do last year - I think they hinted at that in the previews.

Matt started out as kind of sweet but a bit dorky. His beating on the tranny was so vicious it was almost unwatchable. That is a pretty risky bit of writing there if you ask me. Christian and Sean have always had their little transgressions, sliding down that slippery slope of morality but Matt what did was criminal.

I just remembered though... his "real" Dad Christian did take a scalpel to the pedophile priest to get him to confess to the police so I suppose there is some precedent for it. What I would like to see is if Christian gets a chance to get a similar revenge when the Carver is revealed.

And just what is up with Sean that he is still giving Christian a hard time? That was so hypocritical of him to tell him he was wasting his time doing the pro bono case on the gorilla. Then he makes a crack about Christian only feeling comfortable around other victims. That's taking tough love a bit too far. And once again Quentin gets a little weird when he jokes about wanting to go through a blood brother ceremony with Sean and Christian. And I don't think he was just joking like he said - that was just him backpedaling when he was they weren't exactly amused by the idea. He wants some kind of creepy bond with them.

[KenK]

Yeah, Quentin's blood ritual thing was probably something he wanted to do, but lied and said it was a joke, realizing it wasn't gonna happen. Man, I still don't know what to make of him. Is he a red herring in the sense that he won't end up being the Carver, or are the writers writing him in a way that we assume he's a red herring?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I suspect the gorilla storyline got trimmed in favor of Matt's freaky trip to the land of transgenders. From what I saw, Kiki was supposed to fall for Christian instead of her intended mate. The mate was going to reject her but not kill her as we heard Liz say. They were going to collect the male gorilla's sperm and artifically inseminate Kiki, with Christian somehow playing a part in that. I know because there was a quote from McMahon at a press conference for the show where he says in one episode he has to "make out with a monkey". Only on Nip/Tuck could they have pulled that one off. Maybe they decided it was too soon to go there after all he went through with the Carver.

Matt was never one of my favorite characters, mostly because of his ressemblance to Michael Jackson. I have no problem with the actor John Hensley himself but it is getting to be hard to accept him as Christian and Julia's son because he looks too old. They should ship Matt off to military school for a couple of years, like Sean threatened to do last year - I think they hinted at that in the previews.

Matt started out as kind of sweet but a bit dorky. His beating on the tranny was so vicious it was almost unwatchable. That is a pretty risky bit of writing there if you ask me. Christian and Sean have always had their little transgressions, sliding down that slippery slope of morality but Matt what did was criminal.

I just remembered though... his "real" Dad Christian did take a scalpel to the pedophile priest to get him to confess to the police so I suppose there is some precedent for it. What I would like to see is if Christian gets a chance to get a similar revenge when the Carver is revealed.

And just what is up with Sean that he is still giving Christian a hard time? That was so hypocritical of him to tell him he was wasting his time doing the pro bono case on the gorilla. Then he makes a crack about Christian only feeling comfortable around other victims. That's taking tough love a bit too far. And once again Quentin gets a little weird when he jokes about wanting to go through a blood brother ceremony with Sean and Christian. And I don't think he was just joking like he said - that was just him backpedaling when he was they weren't exactly amused by the idea. He wants some kind of creepy bond with them.


Dude, after all the risky stuff this show has pulled off, you didn't like the trans guy getting beat down? WOW. :eek:

[Iron Maiden]

Dude, after all the risky stuff this show has pulled off, you didn't like the trans guy getting beat down? WOW. :eek:

Even though I really don't like Matt that much, it just seemed out of character for him to do that. I can see how that transexual was just a stand-in for Ava but I just don't see a precedent for Matt himself being prone to that level of rage. He's a brat but he's not psycho IMO. Plus how stupid can you be to feel like the transexual tricked him? If anything, he was the imposter going to the tranny bar.

[VCreed32]

Total agreement.

[IamtheRock3]

WOW! who knew Crossdresser Rolled so deep?

[Deathstroke]

Brittany Snow (American Dreams) will appear in a multi episode arc beginning November 22nd. She'll play a white supremacist who becomes involved with Matt.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Brittany Snow (American Dreams) will appear in a multi episode arc beginning November 22nd. She'll play a white supremacist who becomes involved with Matt.

Snow a racist to the highest degree? Will wonders never cease?

[blackwing]

i thought season 2 was the end, but then they advertise season 3 on SKY ONE, it has not started yet what happens to that guy, cannot remember his character name but he is julius mac something (koal from charmed)?

[Iron Maiden]

i thought season 2 was the end, but then they advertise season 3 on SKY ONE, it has not started yet what happens to that guy, cannot remember his character name but he is julius mac something (koal from charmed)?

You mean Christian Troy played by Julian McMahon. Well, he didn't die at the hands of the Carver. You should be getting season 3 by now in the UK.

[Karl J. Barnes]

Brittany Snow (American Dreams) will appear in a multi episode arc beginning November 22nd. She'll play a white supremacist who becomes involved with Matt.

Thus furthering Matt's decent into the darker part of humanity. I do hope that there will be some light at the end of Matt's journey.

[Iron Maiden]

I think after last night's show, Nip/Tuck has lost all chance of ever getting an Emmy nod - not that Ryan Murphy would care. Is there any show on TV right now that takes this many risks? No way will the old school voters ever give this show the nominations it deserves. I can't even describe a some of the action that happened last night without risking getting banned from here :D

Matt continues to act like a the south end of a north bound mule and finally Sean clocks him one. Yayyyy!!! I know it was so wrong to endorse that kind of behavior but Matt has been sooooo deserving of some kind of punishment for all his misdeeds. I think Sean really lost it because Matt's shoving Julia really was the last straw. (but what does that say about Sean grabbing her by the throat when he found out Matt wasn't his??). The McNamera kitchen is beginning to look like a Jerry Springer show.

I don't know if any of the solutions the 3 parents came up with for Matt are going to work. I don't really agree with the medication route Christian provided but shoving him off to strangers at a juvvie boot camp facility doesn't seem much better. I think Christian is right, he would bust out of the place and he would still have the anger issues to deal with.

That is what is so fantastic about this show. They are absolutely fearless in what directions they take the characters. Even if Sean is supposed to be the "good guy" of the pair, he has some serious flaws himself. I still can't help feeling for the guy, particulary when he felt so out of place at the frat house. And ick! the look on Quentin's face when he looked at Sean really creeped me out. No wonder Sean got the hell out of there.

I really thought that this episode really brought back a lot more of the feel of the season one. One thing I liked the best was the scene with Christian and Quentin at the frat house. He looked like he was the Christian of season one...he had that certain swagger back. He was in charge of the entire situation and Quentin took a back seat to him. I love how even the next generation of frat boys knew of his reputation.

I really thought Christian was going to get completely shut out by the girls and Quentin when they had their foursome. I loved the WTF look on Christian's face when Quentin and Kit invaded his territory in the bedroom. I think Kit knew that Christian was going to freak out when Quentin's hand went exploring. I think she wanted to see how he would react to confirm her suspicions about Christian being raped. I look for a tag team to form with Kit and Quentin with the express purpose of getting back at him for throwing them out of the arrangement.

Another highlight was seeing Sean and Christian getting back together again. Nothing seems to keep them apart for very long. The surprising part was seeing Quentin - the 'wolf in sheep's clothing' - baring his fangs this early in the game and issuing the thinly veiled threats to put them out of business.

And next week, the Carver returns (just in time for Halloween)

[VCreed32]

Jeez, am I going to have to set an alarm to remind me that something IS on on Tuesdays.
Forgot again.:evilangry

[KenK]

Brittany Snow (American Dreams) will appear in a multi episode arc beginning November 22nd. She'll play a white supremacist who becomes involved with Matt.

Most likely suckered in by the bald head, army jacket, and that slight scent of someone who's committed a hate crime. . . .although, that could just be the urine!

But wow, it was nice to see Sean take off the kid gloves when it came to handling Matt. Carrying on the way he did was inexcusable, and Sean shouldn't have put up with it that long. The season has really ramped things up with this episode. Between this, Kimber and Christian giving Kit the boot, and Quentin turning out to be bisexual, things are really picking up. Speaking of Quentin, does anyone feel this big reveal about him excludes him from the Carver suspect list, or is this just a red herring? Yeah, the Carver rapes women AND men, but that's more of a power/humiliation thing. I don't think there's any sexual overtones.

[Avalanche]

Last night's episode was excellent. I really like this current angle with Quentin threatening Sean and Christian. I thought that maybe Sean and Julia were going to get back together, but after Sean punched Matt, I don't think that's going to happen, at least not for a long time.

[xmanson]

Can't wait to watch this... need a faster internet connection dammit. And yesterday aired here the thressome with a hooker from the secon season.. oh my, that was hot.

[DMike]

After seeing the latest episode I'm now convinced that Liz is the Carver. The fact that the anesthesia happens to not work on the one patient who fakes being a Carver victim (and it would be pretty obvious to anyone that she wasn't one of the real victims since the victims were singled out for their beauty and she wasn't even remotely attractive) can't be a coincidence; at first I thought Christian messed with the anesthesia since he said he wanted to feel the woman's pain. Plus there's the fact that Liz can't locate the anesthesia that was used in the operation and the fact that the woman gets killed by the Carver after she puts Christian under the anesthesia she was "testing" and the fact that the Carver has access to muscle relaxants (which Liz could obviously get as an anesthesiologist) and her attitude towards vanity and plastic surgery. They haven't hammered the clues into us the way they have with Quentin, so it could theoretically be her. All she needs is the right padding to make the Carver look big, yet androgynous.

[Error_2.0]

and a strap-on, don't forget that DMike

[Iron Maiden]

Now as to the Carver, man the signs are really pointing heavily to Quentin and not Liz if you ask me. I also suspect now that The Carver, whoever they are, switched the anesthetics because he also knows that Rhea was lying and he wanted to give her the same drug as his previous male victims. And from what the Carver said to her at the end, that he was giving her the pain she wanted, he would have to be privy to her confession in the recovery room. And Liz wasn't there when she talked about how special it made her feel to be a victim of the Carver.

This show is just really hitting all cylinders right now. I guess quite simply put the episode was all about pain in its various forms. Mrs. Harkness suffered the pain of loss of a loved one to Alzheimers. She went to great lengths by having the surgery in order to get him back again and she, like Sean appears to be doomed to disappointment. Christian is still in pain over the Carver's attack on him and it manifests itself in the phantom pains in *ahem* his bottom. You wouldn't think that Sean and Christian couldn't get any more intimate than the 3 way last year.... the exam scene was just soooo darkly comic in a way that only this show can do and get away with. Sean is the only guy Christian would trust his toucas (sp?) with, albeit reluctantly.

Sean's pain was really the toughest to watch, both the cutting he inflicted upon himself and all the fallout from Matt turning him in to the authorities, the little rat. And here's a little Matt ranting. I really hated that the little **&% tried to be such a martyr and a hypocrite. Sure, I think what Sean did wasn't right but Matt sure provoked it by roughing up his own mother. And did you notice how he embellishes the story all the time about Sean and Julia's confrontation about Christian being his real father? The guy from Child protective services says Matt told him Sean almost killed her. And hey Matt, what you did was a bigger crime, beating and kicking the transgender. I wish he/she would have filed charges and then Matt would be crying to Daddy.

I really like it when they have little scenes just between Julian and Roma since they were on Profiler together on NBC around 10 years ago. I like Liz as a character and was glad she was in the show more this week. Not to rag on Sean but I think Christian was so kind to her that I wonder if Sean would have reacted the same under similar circumstances. Christian has never questioned Liz on her professionalism but there has been a couple of times Sean has tried to shift blame to her. I also loved how Liz gently held Christian's hand while he was under.

And did I see Kimber bitchslap Kit in the previews for next week? And Christian in the slammer? Can't wait to see what happens but the TV Guide does have a small spoiler about that. The Carver attacks someone close to Christian at the end of the show. I saw a picture on the FX N/T website a couple of weeks ago that showed Rhona Mitra with the mark of the Carver but they quickly yanked it. Of course, it could have been a red herring to throw us off.

[KenK]

I really like it when they have little scenes just between Julian and Roma since they were on Profiler together on NBC around 10 years ago.

I COMPLETELY forgot they were on Profiler together!

[Mac Danny]

Even though I really don't like Matt that much, it just seemed out of character for him to do that. I can see how that transexual was just a stand-in for Ava but I just don't see a precedent for Matt himself being prone to that level of rage. He's a brat but he's not psycho IMO. Plus how stupid can you be to feel like the transexual tricked him? If anything, he was the imposter going to the tranny bar.


Well, One thing to remeber. He did Hit a girl with a car and then lied convincingly about it to police.

He already had a warped moral compass.

I hate his character. he wants to be out on his own so much. I say let him go. Enjoy the workd and see how it treats you.

-Dan

[Iron Maiden]

Well, One thing to remeber. He did Hit a girl with a car and then lied convincingly about it to police.

He already had a warped moral compass.

I hate his character. he wants to be out on his own so much. I say let him go. Enjoy the workd and see how it treats you.

-Dan

Yeah, I am now leaning towards the option of sending him off to the boot camp/military school. Let's hope it has some rigorous hazing going on there too. He's living a life of relative luxury and he is an ungrateful idiot. He wants Sean to pay for hitting him but he hasn't owned up to any of his own screw ups. At least Sean did that much with Matt.

And he ragged on Christian about not being a good friend. Yeah, like you treated Henry (who is probably somebody's "wife" in prison by now) as a true friend Matt.

[VCreed32]

Matt reminds me of my sister, teetering on the edge of wanting to be given passes like a child, yet wanting the seriousness of age.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

This episode has further solifided Nip/Tuck as the best show on television. This show comes through week after week. It always entertains me. The writing, the actors, the twists, and the Carver all are intriguing to watch. I LOVE this show. With the Chappelle Show gone, this has become must see television part II.

[Steve]

Yes, let's send Jacko to bootcamp already!

[Avalanche]

For some reason I had this feeling that Christian was the carver, until the season 2 finale... But now he's being blamed for it, so that's kind of interesting. I know he's not the carver, because well, he's just not. I think this will be really interesting though. I hope it carries through a few episodes. Then the ending to last night's episode was pure gold. Wonderful, absolutely brilliant. This show has amazed me from the beginning and it only gets better each episode.

[Deathstroke]

Kathy Baker (Picket Fences) will guest star on the October 18th and November 8th episodes as Christian's biological mother Gail Pollack.

[Avalanche]

Very good episode tonight. They totally had me with that "it was all a dream" routine. Christian meeting his mother was really interesting as well. At first I thought she was just planted to try and get a confession, but I guess she was the real deal. Good to see Kit get what she deserved.

[Iron Maiden]

I really think Kit planted the condom with his DNA on it and she is mad that Christian threw her out of the condo and his bedroom. The rest of her "evidence" wasn't very solid with the nature vs nurture slant and she way too conveniently found the condom before the rest of the crime scene team did. Wasn't Christian experimenting with the anesthesia with Liz on that night? Christian should be able to sue the city for big bucks for false arrest. That patient they had was soooo creepy I thought he could be the Carver too.

I am not a big fan of Psycho/Porn Barbie aka Kimber but I was so glad to see her b*tch slap Kit. She should have used heavy rings like Ava. But what can I say about Sean and Liz? Very disappointed in both, especially Sean. Julia seemed to be very lukewarm in her support too. That really tore up Christian that Sean actually couldn't outright deny thinking that Christian was capable of cutting up Sean's face. How much can one character take in one episode? He gets booked and strip searched, his friend deserts him when he needs to post bail, he finds out his birth mother was raped and thinks he is evil by nature, his father is a rapist and possibly at large, his dreadful childhood with an abusive foster parent is dredged up again, and his lawyer starts ringing up a multi-million dollar fee. Any more visits like that and it's a wonder he didn't try to hang himself with his shirt.

I have no doubt that eventually Sean and Christian will find their way back to each other but the writers are sure throwing up a lot of roadblocks along the way. You also have to marvel at the ways the writers try to work in a way to showcase Julian's *ss on the show.... last week, we glimpsed it during Sean's exam and now the jailhouse stripping. This is just seems so wrong.... :D I also have to laugh at the dream sequence.... they got me with that one. It reminded me of a skit on Monty Python with the bicycling tour through Russia.

[VCreed32]

That tears it!
I'm setting a weekly alarm right now to remind myself that Nip/Tuck is on.

[sgt.candy]

last nights episode was amazin

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Last night was another example as to why it's the best show on television today. The twists, the rhetoric, the friendships tested, and the Carver playing everyone for fools. Great writing.

[Karl J. Barnes]

I'm surprised that Christain didn't just break out into a manical laugh at the end.

[IamtheRock3]

Yea kind of seem smug

when he found out Liz was carve

"Tell me what you dont like about yourself"


"Take a wild guess"

[KenK]

Did I, like, miss the penultimate episode of the season or something? I had class and it ran late 'cause of a test.

[Iron Maiden]

Did I, like, miss the penultimate episode of the season or something? I had class and it ran late 'cause of a test.

Oh wow, just watch the rerun either on Friday or Sunday night. The show constantly amazes me with how fearless they are.

[Sean Whitmore]

I really think Kit planted the condom with his DNA on it and she is mad that Christian threw her out of the condo and his bedroom.


It seems that the ending proved Kit had to've planted it. It couldn't have been the Carver framing Christian, since the Carver didn't even know he was arrested until the press found out.


SEAN

[DMike]

Not to mention the fact that the Carver wouldn't want Christian getting credit for his work or lying about it, since that's what he just killed that woman for doing.

[xmanson]

Great episode.... I already knew about the ending, but you can really see some kind of "I messed up" expression in her face.

[Elias Bogan]

I am completely and utterfly convinced that Kimber is the carver...

[Iron Maiden]

Geez, trust this show to come up with a bizarrely appropriate Halloween episode this week.

After last week's nightmarish episode of the legal system gone awry, we get a more ghoulish nighmare appropriate for Halloween. A month back, creator Ryan Murphy described the show as "... a modern-day horror story with plastic surgeons as dueling Frankensteins." That perfectly describes the scene with Christian and Sean working with the corpses in the dreary mortuary setting - - it was almost like one of the Hammer series of Frankenstein movies. I have always thougth this show has one of the most clever uses of music tracks and it was a perfect match to this scene. I am not up on current music so I don't know the title of the piece but it had such an otherworldly sound.

After last week's return visit by the Carver, the guys encounter yet another monster at work in their backyard. A seriously deranged mortuary attendant has created his perfect love - crudely piecing together the body parts of 4 deceased young women. But that is not shocking enough... only on this show will you see necrophlia and incest tossed in the same horrific mix.

As if Christian didn't have enough problems last week, Gina is back to bedevil him again with her witchy ways. I thought Christian got screwed over by his "friends" last week but trust Gina to almost top that. After finding out from him that the business is in serious trouble,she reams him out in public because she was going to hit him up for a big loan. This is after we find out that not only has he been buying her HIV meds but paying her rent and a car lease!! Trust Gina to try and make Christian feel guilty about his cash flow problem. Don't get me wrong, I like her as a character though. She is comically vengeful -- or as Christian calls her a herpes infection that he can't get quite get rid of.

I have to say that this episode was at once surreal, depressing and darkly comical. There was Sean's disastrous presentation at the retirement home where you couldn't decide if you should laugh or cry at the poor, dear souls in the audience. Just what was Sean thinking anyway? It was his idea to go there in the first place and then he gets all conscience striken when Christian starts to put on the old charm on the lady to get the facelift booked.

Then you had the busy port-a-potty I have ever seen at a job site. I think I even saw a female worker exiting from it at one point. I guess Gina believes in upholding the EOC rules at the workplace. So far, I am kind of liking the Julia/Gina partnership but I am not sure about Liz. I am still kind of ticked off about Liz just about ready to put Christian in the chair last week.

One thing that does frustrate me sometimes about the show is how important subplots goes dormant for a while. What happened with Kit? Who planted the condom? Or was she lying about the DNA match? I was hoping there would be more follow up on that and a bit more fallout on Sean's lack of faith in Christian. I found this break up more depressing that the one over Matt's paternity because I blame it mostly on Kit for causing it all with her dubious arrest. But once again, Christian is seen as the cause of it because his reputation is now (unjustly) in the toilet.

[Avalanche]

What an awesome angle they played with last night. It reminded me so much of "Bride of Re-Animator" (hilarious movie by the way). I find it odd that this episode didn't pick up where it left off. Kit was in the office, a victim of the carver, yet that wasn't even mentioned in this episode, unless the first minute or so that I missed explained that.

Julia is being a total bitch. She's really beginning to piss me off. here little investment is going to blow up in her face, and I hope Sean punches her in the eye if she comes crawling back looking for support.

Anyway, very good episode. I'm really in debate, but I think this is ending up to be the best season yet.

[Steve]

It was an okay episode, but yeah, no followup on Kit at all.

[VCreed32]

It's almost heartwarming to see that Julia was so naive.

[Elias Bogan]

I actually thought it was one of the worst episodes of the entire show. It was definitely too creepy during some parts and no followup with Kit and her carver run-in cheapened it.

[VCreed32]

I actually thought it was one of the worst episodes of the entire show. It was definitely too creepy during some parts and no followup with Kit and her carver run-in cheapened it.
No argument on the quality from me.

[Indigo Al]

Gotta say, my suspicions about this season are playing out. Everyone is seriously effffed up to ridiculous degrees, the operations are becoming more and more improbable, and I have zero interest in Sean's new pseudofamily and the Mafia angle.

[KenK]

Gotta say, my suspicions about this season are playing out. Everyone is seriously effffed up to ridiculous degrees, the operations are becoming more and more improbable, and I have zero interest in Sean's new pseudofamily and the Mafia angle.

Well, it's been resolved, so I don't think it'll be an issue.If anything, it looks like Sean's comin' around to rejoining McNamara/Troy. Christian is having trouble trusting Quentin professionally(on account of him operating on a patient while high on cocaine!), and he's realizing that he can't cut himself off emotionally from this life.

[Iron Maiden]

Finally got a chance to see this week's episode and once again Matt proves what an undeserving little ****head he is. Bring back the tranny gang for another ass whupping.

If anything, this episode bears out that Sean and Christian will never stay away from each other for very long...how fitting that at the episode's final shot, it is Sean that ends up saying "I do" to Christian at the church altar after all the guests have gone home. BTW, just who were all those guests? The Nip/Tuck world is so insular you never really see the guys hang out with anyone else.

The cake testing scene was the highlight of the show and you could tell the actors were enjoying the hell out of it while they were doing it, a sort of performance within a performance. Finally, we find out how Matt got conceived. In a foreshadowing of the marriage, Sean went out of town and didn't want to join Julia in one of those silly, romantic little things that couples to be do before getting married (although truth to tell I have to confess ignorance on this tradition) Sean comes to the realization that Christian pinch-hit for him in more ways then one on that occassion.

Sean should just let Christian and Julia get it all out of their systems and look the other way so they can have a hot, brief fling. Or maybe this should just turn into another threesome. I don't know just how Julia thought she was helping Christian get over the last minute heebie jeebies by giving him such a passionate kiss. I think she is in serious denial about being over him.

And if anyone is wondering what happened to Kimber (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/NipTuck3_11.jpg)

[VCreed32]

And if anyone is wondering what happened to Kimber (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/NipTuck3_11.jpg)
Could be a dream sequence.

Seems like Matt has selective beliefs, instead of mere selective memory.

[PrimalScream]

the title of the last episode is quinten (the other doctor) and its the episode where u find out the identity of the carver. i really believe he is the carver!

[Iron Maiden]

Could be a dream sequence..

All I can say is that it isn't. Still not sure exactly where she is though.

Seems like Matt has selective beliefs, instead of mere selective memory.

Yeah, for someone who whines "this is me, this is who I am" he sure latches on to whatever his bed buddy du jour tells him.

And the last episode will be called "Quentin Costa".... maybe Christian or Sean have to rebuild his nasal cavity like when Kimber was into the nose candy. I wonder what Sean will do once he finds out Julia ends up sleeping with this guy. He is like Christian but with even less of a conscience.

They are throwing out so many hints that Quentin is the Carver that I am starting to discount him as a red herring. What I can't figure out is how the Carver was out and about during the daylight in order to kidnap Kimber. Which could mean whoever it is may have an accomplice now.

[Steve]

I really liked Brittany Snow as the bad gal.

She played her part well.

[PrimalScream]

All I can say is that it isn't. Still not sure exactly where she is though.



Yeah, for someone who whines "this is me, this is who I am" he sure latches on to whatever his bed buddy du jour tells him.

And the last episode will be called "Quentin Costa".... maybe Christian or Sean have to rebuild his nasal cavity like when Kimber was into the nose candy. I wonder what Sean will do once he finds out Julia ends up sleeping with this guy. He is like Christian but with even less of a conscience.

They are throwing out so many hints that Quentin is the Carver that I am starting to discount him as a red herring. What I can't figure out is how the Carver was out and about during the daylight in order to kidnap Kimber. Which could mean whoever it is may have an accomplice now.

sean goes abit mad i think and tries to get him fired.read the episode guide

[Amokitty]

I'm kinda disappointed in this season. I already knew who was at Kimber's dressing room door at the wedding, and I knew Quentin would sleep with Julia before it happened. I guess I've become so used to the 'shock' factor in this show, that things are starting to get a little predictable.

Matt unintentionally looking like a skinhead is one thing..... but now he's going to become one for real? It's looking like he can be just as gullible as Sean.

I miss Liz!! We hardly ever see her! :mad: Happy that we got to at least see more of Gina (wouldn't want a bikini wax from her, however).

I LOVED the cake tasting though! Damned funny. Sean and Christian are portrayed as the brothers in spirit that they truly are.

[xmanson]

Great episode.

The waxing scene was very good too.

[Chip Whitley]

Ok, so opinions on the Kimber sequence?

Are they showing us through flashback what happened, or was that just in Christian's head?

She also appears in next week's preview, so it seems one must be a dream sequence.

[IamtheRock3]

man Christan was real Jerky tonight.


Quesnteon seem like the Carver..but it almost TO obvious now

Julia very gulible. I mean if Sean going to lie..he wouldnt make a lie as bizar as that. think she..see that matt's girl a racist

[DMike]

Given the fact that we've had at least two fakeouts so far this season (Christian's dream about being cleared while he was still in jail and the "Celestia getting killed in Sean's house" paranoia) the "Kimber in the clutches of the Carver" thing could very well be a fake too.

[VCreed32]

So I guess Juila thinks that the soldier is lying for no reason. :rolleyes:

[Iron Maiden]

Whoa….. I thought Matt’s smack down by trannies was a grim episode but this week has to be the darkest ever. Almost every scene in the episode seemed to be dripping with concealed if not outright hostility and loathing. Where to begin?? Please forgive me but this is going to run verrrryyy long...


I guess I will start with Quentin. The more we learn about Quentin, the more dangerous he appears, especially the way he took down the soldier with obvious skill. There is clearly more to this guy then he’s telling anyone. Now Julia is unwittingly going to be the means to get payback against Sean. Ironically, it was Sean who brought him into their lives by hiring against Christian’s initial wishes to the contrary. I don’t think he has any genuine feelings for Julia if he is deliberately concealing his bisexuality to her after Sean ratted him out. The guy is definitely a sociopath, knowing when to turn his “normal” face on and off when needed but quick to go psycho. But is he the Carver??? I am still wavering on that because it is so obvious.

And poor, naïve, clueless Julia….please start eating some fish because you need to grow some brain cells. In the past, I have sympathized with Julia as her marriage to Sean disintegrated but she is really blind to some pretty obvious red flags. Sean gave her two important warnings and she just wrote it off to jealousy. I guess with Sean’s track record, she does have just the slimmest of excuses. But Didn’t she notice the neo-Nazi earring Matt is sporting??? And Ariel is so blatantly racist she is bound to have dropped some obvious verbal hints by now. Julia really does Sean a disservice by not believing him when he says he saw Quentin getting ****ed by a patient. Honestly, does she think Sean would lie about that???

Not much to update on Matt except that he continues to act like the south end of a northbound mule. He either helped Ariel with the hate attacks or has to know that she and her family are behind them. I really want to see him get clocked again.

Now I have purposely saved Christian and Abby, his latest “conquest“, for last. Oh my, this is destined to be one of the most controversial episodes when it comes the portraying the darkness that threatens to overtake his very soul. From the very first episode, Christian has been shown to be more than a bit predatory in his sexual activities but now he has really gone off the deep end. The cause of this deepy disturbed behaviour is his full scale denial of the pain and humiliation of being (seemly) ditched by Kimber. He keeps telling everyone who asks that his is “fine”… to Sean especially. But he really needs help.

It seemed like the more the wedding fiasco was brought up to him, the more twisted he became. Being humiliated in front of a church full of people is pretty bad and it certainly doesn't help to be reminded it of it. But he clearly has gone over the line...he almost was attacking Abby’s body during the surgery with such violence that it bordered on the criminal. The scene in his bedroom when he has sex with her was just a continuation of this anger. He really went out of his way to humiliate her at every turn, trying to purge his own. Props to the writers for going back to Christian's assessment of Kimber in his consult with Abby.

When Abby comes back to his office after their depressing "date", he seems to be wishing she would get angry with him and confirm his feelings of self-loathing. But to make matters worse, she tells him that she enjoyed the humiliation. He accepts her offer to meet again but ultimately it just adds to his despair. Will he finally realize that he can no longer be so ridiculously self-reliant and seek help? Hard to say on this show since they dropped the thing about Sean cutting himself.

As if things weren't bad enough, the Carver has reared his creepy masked face again. I don't even want to know what is happening to Kimber as we see him closing in on her. The "Watching with Kristen" on the TV Guide website has said something about her going through something really horrible. That's got to be saying a lot for this show.

P.S. This line from Christian to Quentin had me laughing:

"Why don’t you go down to the docks, I hear a whole bunch of sailors arrived with three day passes"

Also: I was surprised to hear Christian say “bugger”... isn’t that more of an English or Aussie euphemism??

P.P.S. I wish the FF movie would have let the Victor Von Doom character go as dark as Julian McMahon takes Christian in this episode. He would have put Darth Vader to shame. He just oozed malevolence when he whipped back the curtain to Abby's room at the Spa. For some reason, he almost seemed like a vampire of sorts, swooping in on his victim.

[Steve]

Ok, so opinions on the Kimber sequence?

Are they showing us through flashback what happened, or was that just in Christian's head?

She also appears in next week's preview, so it seems one must be a dream sequence.
My take is that the Kimber sequence with the Carver is real but the scene where she says "Miss me?" next week is probably Christian imagining, like he saw her face while examining Abby at the beginning of the episode.

And I agree that this was probably the darkest episodes of Nip/Tuck I've seen so far.

I laughed out loud when Matt said he loved Ariel, due to the WAY he said it and the expression on his face.

And yeah, Quenton taking down that Corporal with ease pretty much got my attention.

[KenK]

Thankfully, things are starting to feel a little more focused this season. I've enjoyed it, don't get me wrong, but things had been a bit sporadic lately. Everything seems to really be coming to a head, now, and I couldn't be happier. You really have to feel sorry for Christian, because a little bit each season, he's tried to better himself, and something always happens to push him back in the muck. This season just really saw things dogpile on him, and I think we've yet to see him truly crack.

It's official: JULIA IS A PILLOWCASE!! There's just no getting around it anymore. You'd like to think she'd be on the road to self-reliance with the new business and everything, but she's still as clueless as an Amish woman in Victoria's Secret. Who lies about seeing a man butt-reaming another man!! More appropriately, what straight man would lie about seeing a man butt-reaming another man!! We don't want to put those images in our heads, let alone see it live and in living color! And while it's one thing to be okay with the idea of your teenage son having sex, it's a totally different thing to be at home, KNOWING your teenage son is having sex in the next room. "GREAT" parenting skills, Julia!

Quentin's a nutcase. He may not be the Carver, but he's definitely a sociopath. And yeah, he took down that corporal like it was nothing. That throat chop was vicious.

[Jared]

Assuming the Carver sequence was real (and it very well could be, since we saw the door to Kimber's dressing room opening, but never saw who entered), I am seriously wondering just how the hell the guy could have made off with Kimber in broad daylight.

Matt's Little Miss Nazi looks familiar, but I can't quite place her. Matt himself has become such dueche that I hope he mouths off to Quentin again and gets his ass kicked.

[VCreed32]

Quentin's a nutcase. He may not be the Carver, but he's definitely a sociopath. And yeah, he took down that corporal like it was nothing. That throat chop was vicious.Yeah, when that happened I was wondering if maybe the soldier just hand to hand or if Quentin was using some anatomy lesson learned kung fu.

[KenK]

Matt's Little Miss Nazi looks familiar, but I can't quite place her.

She's Brittany Snow from the NBC show, American Dreams.

[Indigo Al]

And the descent into gratuitous sexual ridiculousness continues!

Paper bag - it's sad, it's shocking, but in the end i feel like they added this storyline only to say "yes, we went there"

And the soldier on Bruno Campos sex - i can't imagine anyone finding that scene sexy whatsoever - his face as he was getting reamed was just.....laughable

[Elias Bogan]

Okay so Kimber ISNT the Carver...that blows every theory I have about the show and the storyline right out of the water. I really hope its not just Kat or Quentin because it needs to be a character we knew and saw before we first saw the carver.

I need to re-watch the wedding episode, but could it still be Julia?

[Elevation]

The carver.... is everyone ready for this.... its Bobollit and for all of you non-true NipTuck fams that was the doctor competing against Christian and ean in the first two seasons.

yes it is the same man Christian once traded his Kimber for a car.

Its obviously him the last time we saw him he fainted after trying to cut his own face off to replace it with Christians. Remember he is completely obsessed with Christians life. Bobollit wanted to be Christian and have everything he had.

Other than that up until the recent kidnapping Kimber was the only person really close to Christian that wasn't carved other than Julia but Bobolitt wouldnt know about Julia yet. And why would Kimber be the only victim kidnapped because Bobollit was so depressed after losing her in the first place he took her in her wedding dress to play his twisted game with her.

And the mask would obviously hide any marks that may remain from trying to cut his own face off. And we all know that the carver has to have some medical backround and Bobollit was a plastic surgeon for a long time before he lost his damn mind.

[Forefinger]

The carver.... is everyone ready for this.... its Bobollit and for all of you non-true NipTuck fams that was the doctor competing against Christian and ean in the first two seasons.

yes it is the same man Christian once traded his Kimber for a car.

Its obviously him the last time we saw him he fainted after trying to cut his own face off to replace it with Christians. Remember he is completely obsessed with Christians life. Bobollit wanted to be Christian and have everything he had.

Other than that up until the recent kidnapping Kimber was the only person really close to Christian that wasn't carved other than Julia but Bobolitt wouldnt know about Julia yet. And why would Kimber be the only victim kidnapped because Bobollit was so depressed after losing her in the first place he took her in her wedding dress to play his twisted game with her.

And the mask would obviously hide any marks that may remain from trying to cut his own face off. And we all know that the carver has to have some medical backround and Bobollit was a plastic surgeon for a long time before he lost his damn mind.
Wow. You bastard. Now it's all ruined for me. But now I can spout off like I know what I'm talking about with Carver theories. Thanks.

[Elias Bogan]

That would/will be very very stupid. I was truly and utterly convinced that it was Kimber but now I think its Julia. Everyone is expecting a man and thats exactly why its going to be a woman...or maybe Liz...but its gonna be a woman...

[Elevation]

That would/will be very very stupid. I was truly and utterly convinced that it was Kimber but now I think its Julia. Everyone is expecting a man and thats exactly why its going to be a woman...or maybe Liz...but its gonna be a woman...

if you really think for one moment you will realize that as shocking as your theories are they are still just stupid. wHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THE WRITERS MAKE ONE OF THEIR MAIN CHARCTERS the carver? it has to be a charcter that is vital to the show, that we've seen before and are familiar with, that has a stake with the charcters, has some medical knowledge, is a man because of the use of a condom, and who obviously has it in for Christian

Julia and Liz are just lazy guesses

[sgt.candy]

how come people think the carver got kimber? she appears in promos for next weeks episodes. im saying he imagined the carver getting her for leaving him. he was pissed off

[Steve]

how come people think the carver got kimber? she appears in promos for next weeks episodes. im saying he imagined the carver getting her for leaving him. he was pissed off
For all we know, that could be Christain seeing Kimber's face again, like he did during his examination of Abby.

[Sean Whitmore]

For all we know, that could be Christain seeing Kimber's face again, like he did during his examination of Abby.


Which is a polite way of saying "OF COURSE" it's Christian seeing Kimber's face again.

What, she's gonna pop up from under a sheet in the middle of a disaster with a snappy "I'm back" tagline? :)


SEAN

[sgt.candy]

she should get something horrible for leaving

dammit im letting this show get ot me

[Apathy Boy]

I think it's obvious now that the Carver is actually a time-travelling Christian from the future. The guy is becoming that tragically evil.

Now that we know the Carver took Kimber, that eliminates most of the people at the wedding as suspects. That would be the present-day Christian, Gina and Julia. (Too bad on that last one; each week, I think, "Julia can't be that stupid, can she? She's playing everyone." And each week, I'm wrong.) I guess Sean could conceivably have done it when he went to get Kimber, or Kimber could have a split personality, but I kind of doubt it.

[xmanson]

From eonline!, being carved is not the only thing that happened to Kimber.

[Chip Whitley]

Wow, intense episode.

So it wasn't Kimber after all, just Christian's imagination (that was my gut feeling).

A big episode for Julia. Her scene with Quentin near the end had me cheering.

I was expecting someone would be in her place at the end, but not who it turned out to be.

And in case anyone missed the promo at the end:

The Carver's MySpace page (http://www.myspace.com/thecarver)

He likes Jim Belushi. Who knew?

Also:
Orientation - Not SureIndeed.

[Patman]

It's still possible that Kimber could be the Carver (a la a Fight Club twist). I am still thinking the Carver is Liz.

[Amokitty]

I am still thinking the Carver is Liz.

Unfortunately, we've barely even seen Liz all season. No interesting or mysterious dialogue from her at all ( unless you count her opinion on gorilla facelifts, that is).

The lack of Liz screen time stinks. I miss her witty one-liners.

[Elias Bogan]

I think it is down to either Liz or Kimber and Kimber would be so much cooler and because everyone would be going "what the ####" until the show returned waiting for it to be explained...it could give the character so much depth and Kelly Carlson could finally show off those acting chops!

[Jared]

Well I"m confused. Was that really Julia's mother at the end or was she just imagining it, ala Christian's earlier hallucination? This season has had a alot of "what it real or not" moments.

[Patman]

I think it was Julia's mom, who luckily wasn't able to get on the earlier flight.

[Steve]

I'm pretty sure that's Jules' mom.

My take is the charcoaled lady at the airport where Jules put a pillow over didn't even look that much like her mom anyways, regardless what Christian described.

Good episode though.

[sgt.candy]

WARINING: POTENTIAL SPOILER

i found this (http://thecarver.ytmnd.com/) while reading on the carver

[Elias Bogan]

If Quetin or Bobolit or Gina is the carver than I am never watching the show again....in fact, if its not Julia or Kimber, im done with Nip/Tuck!

[Iron Maiden]

Only Nip/Tuck could come up with such a bizarre Christmas episode. I loved most of it but I have to say that I could have done without some of the dialogue between Matt and Annie while they were decorating the tree. Somehow, I can see the PTC loading that clip as I write this since even I found the dialogue about Mary and the Christ child's conception a bit disrespectful even though I am not deeply religious. That's all I have to say about that because it is always dangerous to discuss religion and politics in open forums. So on with the good stuff

I think one of the highlights of the show was that we finally get a scene where Christian and Matt have a long overdue talk about the fact that Christian is his bio dad. It is about time they repaired the bond between them that we all remember from season one. I like that it seems like Christian is playing a large part in getting Matt back into the fold without making the mistake that Sean did in punching him out -- even though I have to confess I let out a big "Yes!" when Matt got clocked. John and Julian played off so well against each other in all their scenes together. They didn't have a big touchy feely Kodak moment but you could see that Matt and Christian are starting to like each other again after a difficult transition phase.

I was also surprised to see Christian actually act a bit threatening towards the Nazi Dad. He never has been as aggressive as Sean can be at times but he sure looked like he meant it when he told the guy he was going to have trouble with him if he kept up his nonsense about his little Aryan angel. Ain't life a ****, now that it is out in the open that there is an African ancestor on Mom's side. Which makes it all the more weird since "Mrs. Hitler" had those Aunt Jemima style cookie jars.

BTW, I wonder if it is a holiday tradition around Christian's place that he ends up eating Chinese for the holiday like Ralphie's family in my favorite holiday movie, "Christmas Story". In fact, I think that was one touch in the show I liked...plus it echoed Ariel's remark about Jewish people eating Chinese foond on the holidays. Like Matt said, just because they were celebrating Christmas without all the Martha Stewart excess is just as "American" as anything else. It was kind of sad to see that once again, as with his 40th birthday, Christian would have spent the holiday alone. For once I was happy to see Matt show up somewhere uninvited.

Also nice to see is that Liz has forgiven Christian for his outburst a couple of weeks back. They didn't really explain why Liz was back working at M/T but maybe she needed a few extra bucks for the holidays. The person I felt sorry for was Joy. I was also touched by Christian's softening the blow for her by wrapping the child that never was in a blanket for her. She will never have a child of her own and this was the only way she got to hold her child in her arms, if briefly. Then her jerk of a husband hooks up with a bimbo in record time. Sean's expression at the end of that consultation for her implants pretty much summed it all up.

I was so glad that Julia changed her mind about how to handle the pregnancy but I still wonder if Sean is really the father. The timeline just seems off again. She should have known by now without having the test if this is the result of the night she spent with Sean on Matt's bed. I also find Quentin's confession suspicious but then I am suspicious of just about everything he says.

The preview clips for next week look absolutely terrifying. It takes me back to the Richard Speck case in Chicago when he attacked all those nurses. As a child, I remember how people were living in fear until he was caught. And speaking of Quentin, I freeze-framed some of those clips and that just has to be him tied up as a victim with the words "I Can't Stop" over his bed.

Plus...

Kit is back

Liz arrested???

Julia wielding a knife!!

A SWAT team storming McNamara/Troy's surgical suite???

And I don't even want to think about what has apparently happened to Kimber.

Next week's finale looks insane!!


But most shocking of all..... Patrick Dempsey gets a Golden Globe nod over either Julian McMahon or Dylan Walsh????!!! Bah, humbug indeed.

[Chip Whitley]

I'm glad they ended the show on a lighter note, after going through some dark episodes.
It really caught me off guard when Matt told Ariel she needed some help. Didn't see that coming.
Not that I'm complaining, I just thought something terrible would have to happen before he woke up to her B.S.
And he stood up to her dad! Damn, Matt's got a pair on him after all!

Can't wait til Tuesday and the 2-hour finale! :D

[CaptainAwesome]

This episode was one good note in an otherwise abismal season. Even last season wasnt this bad, and that had Eva and that B.S. Every thing seems to be about the big shock, and it didnt used to be like that. But this episode was good.

[sgt.candy]

make your bets now. who is the carver

[Erik Lehnsherr]

This episode was one good note in an otherwise abismal season. Even last season wasnt this bad, and that had Eva and that B.S. Every thing seems to be about the big shock, and it didnt used to be like that. But this episode was good.

Yeah right..this season has been great. Nip/Tuck has been the best show on television and the season finale seems packed with huge surprises.

And wouldn't it be great if Eva was the Carver? HAHAHAHA!

[bfrank]

. Then her jerk of a husband hooks up with a bimbo in record time. Sean's expression at the end of that consultation for her implants pretty much summed it all up.


hey, if she can be a slut whore bag, why can't he?

[Chip Whitley]

make your bets now. who is the carver
Merril Bobolit

[borateen]

Merril Bobolit

He's been my choice for quite a while.

[Elias Bogan]

Kimber Henry.

[Steve]

I was thinking of Jude, Jule's former lover who was fired by MacNamara/Troy, but Bobolit is the best choice I've heard so far. He definitely fits the motive.

[West Mantooth]

My brother says its Eva's ex-husband. I think Alex Baldwin played him.
I, myself, have no idea but can't wait!

[Haunt]

i'm going with the evil twin theory. The Carver is Quentin's evil twin. ok, so they're both sociopaths.


I think one of the highlights of the show was that we finally get a scene where Christian and Matt have a long overdue talk about the fact that Christian is his bio dad. It is about time they repaired the bond between them that we all remember from season one. I like that it seems like Christian is playing a large part in getting Matt back into the fold without making the mistake that Sean did in punching him out

yeah, this was nice to see. so different from Christian's original relationship with John as the snake in the garden of eden. a lot of Matt's earlier reckless behavior was stuff that he felt Christian would approve of.

I was also surprised to see Christian actually act a bit threatening towards the Nazi Dad. He never has been as aggressive as Sean can be at times

i don't know. he seemed quite aggressive when he was sucking the fat out of grocery bag girl a few episodes back. ;)

but he sure looked like he meant it when he told the guy he was going to have trouble with him if he kept up his nonsense about his little Aryan angel. Ain't life a ****, now that it is out in the open that there is an African ancestor on Mom's side. Which makes it all the more weird since "Mrs. Hitler" had those Aunt Jemima style cookie jars.

her story isn't over with. i was hoping for worse to happen to the little princess but she got off with a chemical burn. how could Matt have even been attracted to so ugly a person?


BTW, I wonder if it is a holiday tradition around Christian's place that he ends up eating Chinese for the holiday like Ralphie's family in my favorite holiday movie, "Christmas Story".


i love that movie. can't even count the number of times i've seen it due to repeats. and now i feel really old because the bully in that movie is all grown up.


I was so glad that Julia changed her mind about how to handle the pregnancy but I still wonder if Sean is really the father. The timeline just seems off again. She should have known by now without having the test if this is the result of the night she spent with Sean on Matt's bed. I also find Quentin's confession suspicious but then I am suspicious of just about everything he says.

guy makes my skin crawl. something about him looked 'off' this episode. maybe it was the dark colors he was wearing. i'm really beginning to buy into this evil twin theory. i think the more-evil twin was the guy who Christian cut the check to. his brother, Quentin, is probably strung up somewhere; waiting to be found by the police.


Plus...

Kit is back

yay! i thought she was a witch but the show could use another one, since Gina isn't doing much.


A SWAT team storming McNamara/Troy's surgical suite???

that'll be interesting.

[Iron Maiden]

What is hard to fathom about the Carver is the fact that he made a radical shift in focus this season. When we first heard about the Carver, he was mentioned as having attacked several women before McN/T took on the model Naomi Gaines as a pro bono case. Ever since Sean went public on TV about it, he went after first Sean, a cheerleader at Matt's school and then Christian at the end of season 2.

This season, just about everything the Carver does has centered around Christian. He did Christian a favor of sorts by killing the false Carver victim (she was threatening him with a lawsuit) and turned it into a twofer by attacking his accuser, Kit. Now he/she has got Kimber and forced her to write a kiss-off letter.

There can't be that many people that knew about the prenup that Kimber had drawn up prior to the wedding and the Carver seems to be aware of it since it is mentioned in the letter he probably dictated to Kimber. Also, there was only Quentin, Christina and a lawyer in the room when Rhea, the false victim, confessed she cut her face. Liz found out about it later, too. And we have yet to know how the condom with Christian's DNA ended up at the murder scene or how the test of the anesthesia Liz was doing on Christian came out.

I favor the evil Quentin twin theory myself (something like in the Jeremy Irons movie "Dead Ringer") but I can't come up with a good reason why he even began cutting up the first group of victims who had no connection to Sean and Christian. I really can't get on the Merrill bandwagon either because the guy is too strung out on laughing gas to plot out all this. Remember too that when the Carver attacked Sean, he/she gained entry through Matt's bedroom so he must have known something about the comings and goings chez McNamara. I would also have to think that Christian's condo buildling has to have some kind of security so how did that break-in happen? There are not too many female criminals that could do all this plus the Carver looked so much larger than Rhea when he stood over her. I will be ticked off if the Carver turns out to be somebody like Gina because that sure didn't look like a woman's body.

I am not letting Gina off the hook though because she is someone I can see working with the Carver to get back at Christian for dumping her. She sure looked jealous when Kimber came to the Spa. Could it be that she saw the Carver leaving Christian's place the night of the attack and is blackmailing him to do as she says??? That place where Kimber is being held might be some hidden part of the Spa, since it was at one time an old hotel.

I think this season has shown that the Carver has some kind of love/hate attraction to Christian and that fits both Quentin and Gina. So maybe they are working secretly together.

[Donald M.]

It's totally coincedental that MacNamara/Troy even got involved in the Carver case in the first place, so the fact that the Carver is definately going to be a familiar face once the mask comes off has me wondering how they're going to make it all fit. Honestly, the only possible suspect who makes sense to me at this point is Quentin, though I don't know about this evil twin theory. Sounds iffy to me.

It's true that we see Quentin tied up with his face cut in the previews of the final episode, but then Christian was accused of cutting himself when he was a Carver suspect, so that doesn't necessarily rule Quentin out.

It's possible that someone we know from the show figured out who the Carver is, killed him and took over for him. Perhaps Quentin became obsessed with Sean after working on his face in season two and knew that the Carver represented a way into the practice. My guess is that the attack on Christian was Quentin's first attack on the Carver. That would explain the radical change in the Carver's focus this season.

It just doesn't make sense to me that the Carver was attacking people and then MacNamara/Troy just happens to decide to help the latest victim and it was someone Sean and Christian knew all along. That's just too much of a coincedence for me.

[Corey Dreher]

Damn... Kimber got cut up.. Badly.

She had a horizontal cut across her face. Damn, for once, I really feel bad for her.

Then they showed Quienten getting his pictures taken. Kit made him drop his pants so they can take a picture of his man-hood, but looking at their reactions, I don't think he has a "man-hood". But I think I need to stop thinking and just watch the damn episode.

[IamtheRock3]

PRETTY DARN TWISTED...AND FUN

requires a bit of suspension of belief on some parts

1) I dont care how crooked a cop is..if a body of one of the biggest Serial Killer just up and disapear along with the lead detective Questions would be ask

2) Pretty sure the Trainnie would be to weak of blood lost to jump out the grave and knock the guy upside the head with a shovel

3) The dead Father..pretty sure the daughter would check up on that. Cops wouild be involve..seem like it was just forgotten

OTHER THEN THAT

Pretty darn good. Love the Climax with the music and Quenton about to carve them. Kind of guess the Carver was 2 people unless he someone how could teleport.

[KenK]

PRETTY DARN TWISTED...AND FUN

requires a bit of suspension of belief on some parts

1) I dont care how crooked a cop is..if a body of one of the biggest Serial Killer just up and disapear along with the lead detective Questions would be ask

Look at it this way; Kit could have ordered the autopsy be delayed, therefore Quentin's body could be left unattended for days, had he actually been dead.

2) Pretty sure the Trainnie would be to weak of blood lost to jump out the grave and knock the guy upside the head with a shovel

I'll give you that one. I still remember the first season when Matt tried to circumsize himself. That fucker looked at the blood and fainted!

3) The dead Father..pretty sure the daughter would check up on that. Cops wouild be involve..seem like it was just forgotten

This is probably the most glaring plothole. Then again, maybe Ariel ran away from home that night and hasn't heard anything about her father going missing; assuming Matt and Cherry buried him where he was gonna bury Cherry.

[lazykarateguy]

Is it possible to get a synopsis?

I was planning on watching, but for some reason my dish won't let me turn to FX (its basically saying I don't have the channel, however I was watching it earlier today).

I was excited for the finale, but couldn't watch it for some ungodly reason. I imagine I'll catch the replay once my dish is fixed, but can someone please throw down some spoilers?

[DrewTheXenocide]

This is probably the most glaring plothole. Then again, maybe Ariel ran away from home that night and hasn't heard anything about her father going missing; assuming Matt and Cherry buried him where he was gonna bury Cherry.

Well, you don't know that Ariel didn't find out. It didn't seem like a lot of time passed between when them killing him and Matt coming home. And who's to say he didn't already call 'em?

[IamtheRock3]

Look at it this way; Kit could have ordered the autopsy be delayed, therefore Quentin's body could be left unattended for days, had he actually been dead.



I'll give you that one. I still remember the first season when Matt tried to circumsize himself. That fucker looked at the blood and fainted!



This is probably the most glaring plothole. Then again, maybe Ariel ran away from home that night and hasn't heard anything about her father going missing; assuming Matt and Cherry buried him where he was gonna bury Cherry.


Again dont meant to nit pick..I learn to have suspension of disbleif

but the first Plot hole is pretty big. Other people still would be in and out of an Autopsy room, Lot of people die in LA, murder or natural causes. Even then SOMEONE would eventully go into that room. Or they say

"WAIT KIT LEAVING..wasnt she suspose to Autopsy the body..guess got to get someone else to do it"

namely sense it would be a big news story

Buy hey the story still RULED just saying

Also a good amount of time had pass sense the carver tripped to that beach resort was in day time and that was before the final dinner at the end at night

so least a full day had pass.

[Mister Mets]

Comments of mine from another forum...


This was the best TV episode I've seen since....
The Angel finale?
Fun Time With Weapons? (South Park)
I don't know. It rocked.

And this season was a bit meh for me (still this 2-parter & the episode where Christian was arrested are my favorite episodes of the series.)
The most tension I've ever seen on a TV show.
And great reveal with the Carver. Managed to defy expectations/ give that story a creepy end. Even if things were predictable moments before they happened. It'll be interesting to watch the eventual Season 3 DVD/ encore to see if there were any clues.
I was worried that the tension would end when Christian's reunited with Kimber/ Sean & Julia get back together, but the show keeps the drama coming. Damn damn damn.

I thought this was a good end to the Carver plot, just as Season 2's finale was a good end to the Ava plot, and Season 1's finale ended the mobster plot.
I wonder who Season 4's "Big Bad" (to borrow a Buffy term will be.)



Since Julia didn't tell Sean about whatever problems the baby has, and she decided to get back together with him, and the lack on her face shows that something's wrong, I'm guessing that's an intentional cliffhanger.

It would be groundbreaking to show them having to take care of a deformed child, but I hope it's something easily fixable.
Or twins.
Although it'll probably end up being a hermaphrodite with down syndrome.

[Nick Kal]

I just got FX and watched this... fucking twisted, a little campy. Me likes.

[DrewTheXenocide]

I just got FX and watched this... fucking twisted, a little campy. Me likes.
Hey, same here!

[Corey Dreher]

This ending was pretty good. There was some few obvious clues. Ava didn't seem surprised when she saw Quiten dickless. Also, how did she get all of that infomation on him and why haven't she tried to look him up before? "Oh, it is taking awhile." If he is a surgeon, then she'll be able to find his origins quick because for that profession, they need a background check. Also, when she asked what she rememebered, she seemed forceful. And when she look up after the girls tells what happens, it is more of a "Oh man, we might've screwed up."


Eh, I'll stop now. Overall, it was a great ending and I can't wait for the second season because I know they left the dead dad out and the baby out for a reason.

[KenK]

This ending was pretty good. There was some few obvious clues. Ava didn't seem surprised when she saw Quiten dickless.

You mean Kit. Ava was a character from last season.

Overall, it was a great ending and I can't wait for the second season because I know they left the dead dad out and the baby out for a reason.

This was the show's third season, so the next one's the fourth. Did you just start watching the show this season?

[Captain Trips]

We don't know if Ariel's dad is dead. We just saw Cherry shoot at the camera. Maybe she just wounded him or shot beside him to scare him. It's up in the air as to what happened. So that's why I don't consider that to be a plot hole. It hasn't been resolved.

[Indigo Al]

I thought it was pathetic - so over the top ridiculous that it failed to command any respect from me whatsoever. The writers need to come up with better stuff for next season.

[Corey Dreher]

You mean Kit. Ava was a character from last season.



This was the show's third season, so the next one's the fourth. Did you just start watching the show this season?


I'm sorry, I messed up.

I started watching it during the first season, but I stopped, then I watched some of season 2, I remember Christian getting drugged by the Carver. I forgot to catch this season, but I did see re-runs. Like Kimber getting kidnapped, The Mrs.Cluse (sp?) going in for Lipo. But for the most part, my friend had to fill me in.

[DrewTheXenocide]

so over the top ridiculous.

I thought that was the point of the show.

[xmanson]

Dammit

The Download Is So Slow... 40%...

Won't Read Spoilers.... Must Be Strong...

[Deathstroke]

Any time you have expository statements meant to fill in someone on the whole story, if you have the level of detail that Kit gave to the docs, you'd have to be a complete frickin' idiot not to know she was in on it.

I watched the last 20 minutes and that was 20 minutes of wasted time.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I figured Quentin had to be the Carver after the no penis thing was revealed but I figured Catherine being too knowledgable during all the interviews and oversights was leading to something too. Never thought they would get away with it though. I loved how Catherine played them all for fools. It was beautiful. Another great season finale and with Matt committing murder, it leads more things open for further consequences next year.

[Indigo Al]

I thought that was the point of the show.


I guess, but it got too slap-happy even for the level of the show.

[xmanson]

When I thought Matt was getting back on track...

Fantastic episode. The tango or whatever during the tortures scenes was a nice touch.

[Magneto_X]

Kit was my primary suspect for the Carver.

What bothered me was that wouldn't she immediately know it was him that raped her after discovering he was had no penis?

You'd think she'd know the different between the feeling of the real thing and a dildo.

[KameTen]

The season finale was really over the top, from start to end. Multiple swerves, though it was interesting that the writers and the creator of the show managed to not make the identity of the Carver as obvious as it would have been (at least to me, I was voting for Kimber). But by some miracle, somehow the season finale and the episode before it got me to like Matt again. Boy finally stopped his bitch-fest and became decent.

But I still don't like Sean.

[AceOfSpades]

I finally got to watching the last episode tonight (recorded) but the last 5 minutes (the scene with Julia handing something to Sean) conked out.... WHAT HAPPENED??? :confused:

[Chip Whitley]

I finally got to watching the last episode tonight (recorded) but the last 5 minutes (the scene with Julia handing something to Sean) conked out.... WHAT HAPPENED??? :confused:
It's the deed, with BOTH of their names on it. They're going to try getting back together.

Kit recounts the story of Quentin (and his sister's) childhood. His parents were cousins, and his defect was a result of their incest.

Turns out Gina was at the office during the Carver's last stand, got cut, but didn't call the cops like Kit claimed.

Kit goes to the morgue, where Quentin lies awaiting autopsy. She unzips the body bag, Quentin pops up and says "What took you so long?"

Christian and Shawn go to the orphanage/convent to find out the truth of Quentin's past, and find out Kit was his sister.

The 2 carvers escape to Spain, with Quentin's eyes already on the next target.

Matt refuses to bury Cherry (the trans-sexual), and tells psycho-Dad to shoot.

Matt says "You don't have the guts to do it yourself." Cherry gets up and clobbers him with the shovel.

Cherry picks up the gun. "Shoot," Matt says. She does.

Matt goes home and arrives in time for "just a boring old family dinner." "I think I could use boring right about now."

Might've left some out, but I think I hit all the main points.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

A little off topic but what was the name of that song on the Season Finale of Season 2? I always rewinded that segment when I had it.

[Steve]

A little off topic but what was the name of that song on the Season Finale of Season 2? I always rewinded that segment when I had it.
Which scene?

[Rollerblader]

It's Season 6.

is anyone still watching?

this show is getting ridiculous. its like sean & christian are supermagnets for the criminally insane.

[Iron Maiden]

Really. This used to be my favorite show but it might as well turn into another CSI or something. It's obvious that "Glee" is Ryan Murphy's and Brad Falchuk's golden goose now so everything's just being thrown out there just for the hell of it.

Rose McGowan doesn't make a good Teddy either. She must have had her eyes done since "Charmed" went off the air. She looks like she is in the beginning phase of a bad plastic surgery history. And Christian being shown up by Mini Me Mario Lopez is enough to make your hurl.

[Jared]

The show pretty much lost me when Sean was stabbed by his crazy fake agent. How many times can two men who are not even in a dangerous profession end up get knifed?! I did catch a few episodes last season but not enough to really follow it. Did the writers ever remember Sean and Julia's third child?

[7thangel]

well sean got stabbed again among other things.

rose mcgown's face hasn't moved in years and it' not like she was a good actor before so her inability to show any emotion, except possible constipation, is comical.

[Monty_Cristo]

does anyone know why there's a new Teddy? i prefered the other actress. just curious.

The show pretty much lost me when Sean was stabbed by his crazy fake agent. How many times can two men who are not even in a dangerous profession end up get knifed?! I did catch a few episodes last season but not enough to really follow it. Did the writers ever remember Sean and Julia's third child?

i wish they had forgotten the third child. those future episodes were boring as hell. the kid dominated the show for a while. that's why i couldn't get behind them bringing Wilbur back. and why would you think it wouldn't be a dangerous profession? you're dealing with people who want to change their features. you're going to come across your fair share of nuts.

[Monty_Cristo]

Really. This used to be my favorite show but it might as well turn into another CSI or something. It's obvious that "Glee" is Ryan Murphy's and Brad Falchuk's golden goose now so everything's just being thrown out there just for the hell of it.

Rose McGowan doesn't make a good Teddy either. She must have had her eyes done since "Charmed" went off the air. She looks like she is in the beginning phase of a bad plastic surgery history. And Christian being shown up by Mini Me Mario Lopez is enough to make your hurl.

Sean had to play second fiddle to Peter Dinklage. fair's fair. hadn't noticed how much he resembles Matt until now. maybe he's the real father.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1767676672/nm0227759
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm866294016/nm0378161

[Iron Maiden]

Sean had to play second fiddle to Peter Dinklage. fair's fair. hadn't noticed how much he resembles Matt until now. maybe he's the real father.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1767676672/nm0227759
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm866294016/nm0378161

Now that you mention it, Matt doesn't look like either Sean, Julia or Christian. How many crimes is he going to get away with anyway? He ran over the girl in high school, let his friend get raped in prison, became a crystal meth addict, he slammed the kid surgeon's hand in a car door (admittedly they were drunk and he wanted Matt to do it) and now he's a mime knocking over a store with a prop gun. Now his little sister is eating her hair. Frisky was lucky he died in season one.

[Monty_Cristo]

Now that you mention it, Matt doesn't look like either Sean, Julia or Christian. How many crimes is he going to get away with anyway? He ran over the girl in high school, let his friend get raped in prison, became a crystal meth addict, he slammed the kid surgeon's hand in a car door (admittedly they were drunk and he wanted Matt to do it) and now he's a mime knocking over a store with a prop gun. Now his little sister is eating her hair. Frisky was lucky he died in season one.

i'd be for them brazenly writing the kids out of the show; as if they never existed. i would forgive them for this and just hope for better storylines. i don't think anyone ever expected Annie to become interesting. recasting her probably won't work either. or maybe they could do a special zombie episode where that girl matt ran over comes back for revenge. she could eat Matt and he'd continue the mime act throughout.

[the_coldest_sun]

Now that you mention it, Matt doesn't look like either Sean, Julia or Christian. How many crimes is he going to get away with anyway? He ran over the girl in high school, let his friend get raped in prison, became a crystal meth addict, he slammed the kid surgeon's hand in a car door (admittedly they were drunk and he wanted Matt to do it) and now he's a mime knocking over a store with a prop gun. Now his little sister is eating her hair. Frisky was lucky he died in season one.

Don't forget he beat up a tranny and assisted said tranny in the murder of another person. True, that guy was trying to cut off their junk but there's only so far the "self-defense" defense could go.

[Jared]

The girl Matt ran over lived, IIRC. He met with her in a prayer group. Later his buddy who was in the car went nuts with the guilt and sexually assaulted her. I don't think she ever appeared again.

Is Rose McGowan playing Katee Sackoff's character?

[Monty_Cristo]

The girl Matt ran over lived, IIRC. He met with her in a prayer group. Later his buddy who was in the car went nuts with the guilt and sexually assaulted her. I don't think she ever appeared again.

Is Rose McGowan playing Katee Sackoff's character?

indeed she is playing the character. no sir, i don't like it.

[Iron Maiden]

Don't forget he beat up a tranny and assisted said tranny in the murder of another person. True, that guy was trying to cut off their junk but there's only so far the "self-defense" defense could go.

I knew I was forgetting something! Thanks. I didn't like that storyline either. But didn't they say the Nazi dad was arrested. I think it was just brushed away with a line or two the next season. One thing I think they do that can be annoying is to just drop a plot line abruptly. In some cases though it's probably a good idea never to revisit them again. I am looking forward to Ava (Famke Janssen) returning though. She was a tranny with style. They also have Melanie Griffith coming on as Kimber's mom.

indeed she is playing the character. no sir, i don't like it.

Neither did I but I assume after last night we won't have her around any more. What are the chances that Sean parks the camper next to a serial killer? Julia needs to get the kids away from him... he's a magnet for wack jobs. I think Teddi deserved it since she was pretty cold about even killing little Conor.

And then Christian got curbstomped by a pair of ginormous boobs...what karma. All though Jenny Juggs was too psycho to have much sympathy for. I think that the writers have just decided that no one is very likable on this show. Nurse Linda is the only one that hasn't been involved in any criminal activity... at least I don't think so. You can never be sure.

[Monty_Cristo]

I knew I was forgetting something! Thanks. I didn't like that storyline either. But didn't they say the Nazi dad was arrested. I think it was just brushed away with a line or two the next season. One thing I think they do that can be annoying is to just drop a plot line abruptly. In some cases though it's probably a good idea never to revisit them again. I am looking forward to Ava (Famke Janssen) returning though. She was a tranny with style. They also have Melanie Griffith coming on as Kimber's mom.



Neither did I but I assume after last night we won't have her around any more. What are the chances that Sean parks the camper next to a serial killer? Julia needs to get the kids away from him... he's a magnet for wack jobs. I think Teddi deserved it since she was pretty cold about even killing little Conor.

And then Christian got curbstomped by a pair of ginormous boobs...what karma. All though Jenny Juggs was too psycho to have much sympathy for. I think that the writers have just decided that no one is very likable on this show. Nurse Linda is the only one that hasn't been involved in any criminal activity... at least I don't think so. You can never be sure.


i haven't seen the latest episode yet. can't wait. that commercial/preview was ridiculous.

[Rollerblader]

this show is just getting beyond ridiculous.

it's still entertaining in the way i wonder what kind of crazy stuff they'll come up w/. but i've passed the point where i can even try to suspend my disbelief.

[Monty_Cristo]

this show is just getting beyond ridiculous.

it's still entertaining in the way i wonder what kind of crazy stuff they'll come up w/. but i've passed the point where i can even try to suspend my disbelief.

they need to take that final step in embracing the crazy. i'm talking about a Legion of Doom-style reunion with all of their past enemies. Ava, a cyborg Escobar, the ghost of faceless Bobolitt, Eden (now fully venomous), Surgically-conjoined Quentin & Kit, Sean's crazy agent but w/ buttons for eyes, James (now a talking pair of harvested organs), etc.

[tangentman]

they need to take that final step in embracing the crazy. i'm talking about a Legion of Doom-style reunion with all of their past enemies. Ava, a cyborg Escobar, the ghost of faceless Bobolitt, Eden (now fully venomous), Surgically-conjoined Quentin & Kit, Sean's crazy agent but w/ buttons for eyes, James (now a talking pair of harvested organs), etc.

Julia's mother = Luthor
Ava = Giganta
Escobar = Brainiac
Bobolitt = Scarecrow
Eden = Cheetah
Quentin & Kit = Sinestro & Bizarra as Siamese twins
James = Solomon Grundy
Crazy Agent = Toywoman

[Rollerblader]

they need to take that final step in embracing the crazy. i'm talking about a Legion of Doom-style reunion with all of their past enemies. Ava, a cyborg Escobar, the ghost of faceless Bobolitt, Eden (now fully venomous), Surgically-conjoined Quentin & Kit, Sean's crazy agent but w/ buttons for eyes, James (now a talking pair of harvested organs), etc.

i about fell out of my chair laughing LOL

[Pixie_Solanas]

I knew I was forgetting something! Thanks. I didn't like that storyline either. But didn't they say the Nazi dad was arrested. I think it was just brushed away with a line or two the next season. One thing I think they do that can be annoying is to just drop a plot line abruptly. In some cases though it's probably a good idea never to revisit them again. I am looking forward to Ava (Famke Janssen) returning though. She was a tranny with style. They also have Melanie Griffith coming on as Kimber's mom.



Neither did I but I assume after last night we won't have her around any more. What are the chances that Sean parks the camper next to a serial killer? Julia needs to get the kids away from him... he's a magnet for wack jobs. I think Teddi deserved it since she was pretty cold about even killing little Conor.

And then Christian got curbstomped by a pair of ginormous boobs...what karma. All though Jenny Juggs was too psycho to have much sympathy for. I think that the writers have just decided that no one is very likable on this show. Nurse Linda is the only one that hasn't been involved in any criminal activity... at least I don't think so. You can never be sure.


Jenny Juggs, the Barbie teat girl, and the large landwhale with skin cancer? All great.

How about Matt taking it up the pooper from his new husband? lol.

[Monty_Cristo]

Jenny Juggs, the Barbie teat girl, and the large landwhale with skin cancer? All great.

How about Matt taking it up the pooper from his new husband? lol.

it's too bad that Quentin and Barbie teat girl never met up. he might have retired from serial killing.

[Trey]

Its still a great show, IMO.

Anything could happen I would still believe it!

I don't mind the kids. More wackiness for me.

But has Sean's brother appeared or been mentioned before?

[Monty_Cristo]

Its still a great show, IMO.

Anything could happen I would still believe it!

I don't mind the kids. More wackiness for me.

But has Sean's brother appeared or been mentioned before?

not that i remember.

all of the characters have progressively become more and more immoral. Julia puts cocaine in her mother's purse. just how hardcore is that? and Christian frames Sean's brother. these folk have gone full-psycho.

[Thadeus Thunderwinkle]

This new season is pretty damn terrible. Stories are repetitive, characters are becoming more loathsome, and the surgeries are starting to get a little ridiculous ("Give me fake tits, Christian! I need them in prison!"). In my opinion, the show began to dive after the fantastic third season, but I found a lot to like in season five. However, I've almost turned the TV off during several of these episodes because they just aren't entertaining.

[Monty_Cristo]

This new season is pretty damn terrible. Stories are repetitive, characters are becoming more loathsome, and the surgeries are starting to get a little ridiculous ("Give me fake tits, Christian! I need them in prison!"). In my opinion, the show began to dive after the fantastic third season, but I found a lot to like in season five. However, I've almost turned the TV off during several of these episodes because they just aren't entertaining.

it's as ridiculous as it's ever been, imo. don't you remember how the first season ended? the concept of a show about plastic surgeons is silly.

[Rollerblader]

i finally got around to watching the series finale. wow that sucked. what a waste of time, now i feel stupid for ever even watching the show. :evilangry: