New Petition to get Brett Ratner off X3

[Frank]

Let`s Get a Better Director! (http://www.petitiononline.com/LbX3/)

Let`s do our duties as X-Men diehards! :)

[Beast]

Why? He isn't any worse a choice than Bryan Singer or Matthew Vaughan was.

[StarsAndGarters]

I don't have a problem with the guy. I liked the Rush Hour movies.

[Beast]

I don't have a problem with the guy. I liked the Rush Hour movies.
And Red Dragon was great. Sheesh. Give the guy a chance. He was one of the original guys who was up for X-Men anyway. And remember how many people bitched when Bryan Singer got the job, before even seeing the movies. Plus Ratner was originally set to do Superman, as well.

[Dr. Killbydeath]

Internet petitions may be the worst part of the internet...

[StarsAndGarters]

And Red Dragon was great. Sheesh. Give the guy a chance. He was one of the original guys who was up for X-Men anyway. And remember how many people bitched when Bryan Singer got the job, before even seeing the movies. Plus Ratner was originally set to do Superman, as well.So Ratner and Singer switched jobs? Cool!

[Grant]

Has an internet petition have had any effect on these things?

He's directing the movie. Deal with it. If you want to send a message to Fox don't see the movie.

[Shadow Crawler]

I don't have a problem with the guy. I liked the Rush Hour movies.
I agree with this. And Red Dragon was a great movie too. So I've got absolutly no problem.

[Atom_basher]

Im glad Ratner os doing it. it looks like your petition just backfired :p :o

[HarrisonJohn]

No excellent director is going to come in and work on something someone else set up. The large and busy cast are all in place and ready to go.
X-Men films do not require ground-breaking direction. They require a good script and makers who respect the comic books.
Singer did not do any exceptional direction with his X-Men movies. He did good in picking the right script(s) and ideas.
Look at Hulk for an example of great direction with a bad (or just too long and boring, really) script.


X3 needs a good script and someone in some position of authority who knows what's right and wrong for the X-Men. That's what will make or break it.

[Frank]

Im glad Ratner os doing it. it looks like your petition just backfired :p :o

Yea, it`s cool that X3 will blow! Yahoo!!! Let`s celebrate! :rolleyes:

Rush Hour Movies=Gold

Can you say Oscars?

[Frank]

Internet petitions may be the worst part of the internet...

Naa it`s far worst to find somebody that reads every X-Men-related comics. :p

[StarsAndGarters]

Yea, it`s cool that X3 will blow! Yahoo!!! Let`s celebrate! :rolleyes:

Rush Hour Movies=Gold

Can you say Oscars?But they don't have to be Oscar worthy. :D I mean, yeah, maybe for the effects, but it's got to be good comic book fun. I think he could do it.

[Beast]

Yea, it`s cool that X3 will blow! Yahoo!!! Let`s celebrate! :rolleyes:

Rush Hour Movies=Gold

Can you say Oscars?
Let me guess.... you have a 'Jump to Conclusions' mat? :)

[Frank]

But they don't have to be Oscar worthy. :D I mean, yeah, maybe for the effects, but it's got to be good comic book fun. I think he could do it.

what can I say, I expect a lot for my X-Men. :rolleyes:


Seriously Rat is the Hack of all Hacks, and was handed Red Dragon on a silver plater. He didn`t chose the cinematographer, the actors, didn`t do anything with the script, he went there like a robot and sit in his director chair because he`s obsessed with fame.

[StarsAndGarters]

Let me guess.... you have a 'Jump to Conclusions' mat? :)Well, it's been shown that they make people happier. The guy in Office Space felt so much better once he had his made up.

Seriously, do you have any real reason why you think he's not going to be the right guy? Or is this a campaign to get Singer back?

[Beast]

what can I say, I expect a lot for my X-Men. :rolleyes:


Seriously Rat is the Hack of all Hacks, and was handed Red Dragon on a silver plater. He didn`t chose the cinematographer, the actors, didn`t do anything with the script, he went there like a robot and sit in his director chair because he`s obsessed with fame.
Hey now, 'Hack' is a pretty harsh word. And who cares if he didn't choose all those things for Red Dragon? Whoever they get for X-3 won't get to do much either. Since everything has already been locked in. :p

[Frank]

Hey now, 'Hack' is a pretty harsh word. And who cares if he didn't choose all those things for Red Dragon? Whoever they get for X-3 won't get to do much either. Since everything has already been locked in. :p

They haven`t tried hard enough. Because Arad=Douche.

[Beast]

They haven`t tried hard enough. Because Arad=Douche.
Since Arad's keeping the films from degenerating into a mess like Catwoman, I don't think he's doing a bad job. He respects the various characters, and has kept tight quality control reigns over the films so far. :)

[DrDoomX]

They haven`t tried hard enough. Because Arad=Douche.


Apparently you have not seen any ratner films....He makes movie for what they are. Rush Hour 1 and 2, and Money Talks were buddy comedies, and for buddy comedies they were not bad in the least. The Family Guy was a family romantic comedy and it succeeded in what it is. Red Dragon, was not bad for what it was either...

If you expect an academy award winning movie you are in the wrong genre. Second of all we are nearly a year from release of X-Men 3. You have seen no trailers, infact the movie has not even been shot yet.....So I think you are taking this really far with your silly petition.

Do you remember when Anne Rice kept knocking on Tom Cruise when he was cast to play Lestat and then when she saw the movie she ate every word she says....Just chill out before you make any judgements...for godsakes the movie is not even filmed yet!

[Michael P]

Internet petitions may be the worst part of the internet...
Tubgirl* would argue that point, but they certainly are the most useless.

*If you value your sanity, let this one pass without investigation.

[James 'Logan' Howlett]

Internet Petitions = Talking to a wall.

Nothing happens.

Even though I hate the Rush Hour films, Red Dragon was okay. I'll give this guy a chance. And if he ****s up the movie, then FOX is the stupid one here. They should of waited for Singer to have the time for the third movie instead of rushing this one out.

[HarrisonJohn]

Please name for me a scene in the X-Men movies where Bryan Singer showed 'visual flair' that this new director should have, according to the petition. Maybe the scene where Jean Grey died and the whole audience laughed at James Marsden's horrible acting? Or how about letting Halle Berry mess up the "same thing that happens to everything else" line (which should have been said nonchalantly). Or the fact that neither actors are right for those roles. I see no difference between the two directors except that Singer has worked with a couple of better scripts.

[Nightcrawler]

I don't havea problem with Ratner.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hey...lets all start a petition so we can actually delay this movie and that way...No One gets to see anything. Yeah fight the power and lets screw things up !




Ratnor Isn't a bad choice..Red Dragon was freakin awesome I thought.

[Kirayoshi]

Hey, at this point, as long as it ain't Joel Schumacher, I'm all for giving Ratner the benefit of the doubt.

As long as he doesn't cast Christ Tucker as Bishop. :D

Believe it or not, this is only the second-most asinine movie-based internet petition I've ever read. A few years back, I remember a petition some nabob set up to request that George Lucas hand the director's chair to the second and third Star Wars prequels to Peter Jackson. Oy and double oy!

[Patient Boy]

A few years back, I remember a petition some nabob set up to request that George Lucas hand the director's chair to the second and third Star Wars prequels to Peter Jackson. Oy and double oy!

I might actually have considered signing that one.


...he went there like a robot and sit in his director chair because he`s obsessed with fame.

Yes, and the big star of the X-Men movies was Bryan Singer after all.

After reading both your petition and two pages of this thread, I'm still not sure why you're so opposed to this other than some irrational rabid dog hatred of Brett Ratner.

[marshal99]

Uwe Boll should be linked with the job , people would be clambering for Ratner to get the job rather than Boll after that. :p

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Hey, at this point, as long as it ain't Joel Schumacher, I'm all for giving Ratner the benefit of the doubt.

As long as he doesn't cast Christ Tucker as Bishop. :D

Believe it or not, this is only the second-most asinine movie-based internet petition I've ever read. A few years back, I remember a petition some nabob set up to request that George Lucas hand the director's chair to the second and third Star Wars prequels to Peter Jackson. Oy and double oy!


Peter Jackson do you say ? Hell I would have signed and put my name on It. That 2nd movie got on my nerves.

[Greg Hatcher]

The day someone actually gets something CHANGED on the strength of an internet petition, I might consider it. But really, Star Trek people circulated actual PAPER petitions for years and staged live rallies at studios and got a whole lot of nothing. Why would a studio or network or whoever care if a bunch of fans click on a link?

[CHEYENNE-BLACKBIRD]

peter jackson probably would have turned out a better starwars movie,but i digress..........rattner isn't a bad director per se.he's just there,he has no real vision.he just goes through the motions.thats not to say he can't turn out a great x-film.maybe this is what he really need to shine.my main concern is the script people keep rre writing.

[monkeysweat]

Tubgirl* would argue that point
These people just don't know.

[Grant]

peter jackson probably would have turned out a better starwars movie,but i digress..........rattner isn't a bad director per se.he's just there,he has no real vision.he just goes through the motions.thats not to say he can't turn out a great x-film.maybe this is what he really need to shine.my main concern is the script people keep rre writing.

Scripts are rewritten all the time. The last X-Men had rewrites done on set. Like Jean dying at the end was written on set. Lord of the Rings had rewrites done every day up even through post production.

Apparently the script AICN is up in arms about about isn't the shooting script but an early draft written eight months ago before Vaughn came on board. They seem to be using the draft Vaughn came up with.

[Copper]

What I don't understand is why people think that the downloaded scripts are going to be the actual ones used during filming.

[The Mirrorball Man]

But really, Star Trek people circulated actual PAPER petitions for years and staged live rallies at studios and got a whole lot of nothing. Why would a studio or network or whoever care if a bunch of fans click on a link?
That's a very bad example, actually. Star Trek fans managed to renew their favorite series for a third season in 1968. It's pretty much the only fanboy petition in history that had any real results.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

What I don't understand is why people think that the downloaded scripts are going to be the actual ones used during filming.


Yeah I know. Did anyone read that godawful Batman script from 4 years ago ? It featured a 70's style Batman and where Alfred was a young black guy ? It totally sucked and everyone pretty much knew It would never make It to a movie.

[Grant]

I'm not a Brett Ratner fan but he makes sense at this stage. He's not going to rock the boat. He's going to finish the film on schedule, within budget and it's going to be watchable.

I'll wait for the trailer and stills before I make any judgements. At least the cast is coming back.

-Grant

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Scripts are rewritten all the time. The last X-Men had rewrites done on set. Like Jean dying at the end was written on set. Lord of the Rings had rewrites done every day up even through post production.

.of course they go through rewrites but is to the good.i think thats whats bothering some people.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I'm not a Brett Ratner fan but he makes sense at this stage. He's not going to rock the boat. He's going to finish the film on schedule, within budget and it's going to be watchable.

I'll wait for the trailer and stills before I make any judgements. At least the cast is coming back.

-Grant
thats basicly what i said in the X3 speculation thread

[Grant]

of course they go through rewrites but is to the good.i think thats whats bothering some people.

I have no idea what that means.

[Greg Hatcher]

That's a very bad example, actually. Star Trek fans managed to renew their favorite series for a third season in 1968. It's pretty much the only fanboy petition in history that had any real results.

Fair point, but let's not forget that was with the active cooperation and inside knowledge of the show's producer. The legend that has grown about that particular example over the decades has really overshadowed the reality of it, as well as giving fans an inflated sense of involvement and self-importance that I haven't really seen anything good coming from. And to be honest I was thinking more along the lines of the "Don't Kill Spock!" rallies preceding the release of Wrath of Khan, or the "It'll suck without the original cast!" outcry preceding The Next Generation, and so on.

Anyway, the original question stands. Has an internet petition anout TV or movies ever managed to accomplish what it set out to do?

[Grant]

Anyway, the original question stands. Has an internet petition anout TV or movies ever managed to accomplish what it set out to do?

Especially if the letter is littered with typos.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I have no idea what that means.the directiomn the script is going.

[Grant]

the directiomn the script is going.

Who knows what the direction the scrpt is going in? AICN apparently reviewed an old draft. Changes were made when Matthew Vaughn came on board and it apparently they were good enough changes to got some of the actors interested. Again this is a wait and see kind of thing.

People freaked out about X2's script when rumours of human Sentinels was being tossed around.

[kmeyers]

Who knows what the direction the scrpt is going in? AICN apparently reviewed an old draft. Changes were made when Matthew Vaughn came on board and it apparently they were good enough changes to got some of the actors interested. Again this is a wait and see kind of thing.

People freaked out about X2's script when rumours of human Sentinels was being tossed around.

unfortunately people are going to freak out no matter what the script is.

[Spiff]

I have yet to see anyone actually make a good argument as to why Ratner is a bad director, other than seeing the words "hack" thrown around like it has any real meaning. On a somewhat related note, I don't get why people hate on Michael Bay as much as they do, either, but that's a discussion for another topic.

So please, show us, the ignorant masses, why exactly Ratner is a hack director. What directorial fubars has he done that ruined your movie experience, or do people just like reiterating what AICN has said?

And if you think any of the X-Men movies are Oscar-worthy, your bar is set too low. Enjoyable, yes; paragons of cinema, no.

[Sheldon]

Just wanted to chime in that internet petition's are pathetic. I'm sure it's been said before, but studio execs aren't going to take them seriously....they will only see them as a joke.

[Ontir]

That was quick!

I'm not signing, because I really liked what Singer did with the previous films, the second, especially, and I think it's a really good move, to get an incredibly generic director with absolutely no style of his own, who won't have any problem coming in, and producing a very Singeresque film.

[sir_snikt'alot]

Just wanted to chime in that internet petition's are pathetic. I'm sure it's been said before, but studio execs aren't going to take them seriously....they will only see them as a joke.

actually a internet pertition was what got closure for farscape,otherwise it would of ended with chriton and the love of his live dead on a boat!

i wouldnt underestimate the power of the petition,merely underestimate the shear apathy certain tv corparations have towards theyre viewers.