Who do you want in the Justice League after Infinite Crisis?

[smoothjokes]

I think they should take the Big 7 Morrison type team.

Aquaman
Batman
The Flash
Green Arrow
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Superman
Wonder Woman

It's simple and it's basically true to the name of THE BIG 7 :eek: Maybe add Black Canary, Booster Gold or Captain Atom for kick-ass cult fan base character.

P.S. I think Martian Manhunter might bite the bullet in Infinite Crisis.

[TommyV]

P.S. I think Martian Manhunter might bite the bullet in Infinite Crisis.[/QUOTE]

Why would you say such an awful thing?!?

Can't......

breathe....

[PanzerMega]

Nothing personal to J'onn, but it's just his turn to die.

And hey...at least he'll get his own mini-series when he comes back the next year.

[Zero Hunter]

I would like a book where things can actully happen which means not just the Big 7. Mix it up a little with no more the 3 or 4 of the big 7 at any one time unless it is a world threatening emergency.

Make the Martian Manhunter the only real full time member. Honselty make it more like the cartoon but with stonger ties to the DCU. The JLU cartoon is the best the Justice League has ever been with a great mix of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd sting charaters all interacting.

The big 7 was fun for a while but with all the characters in other books it just got boring since nothing could ever really happen besides just a big fight here and there with no real fallout in other books.

[Lightbend]

I saw a fanfic which put it best-J'onn's family is the Justice League. The others use it for whatever they have to, but for J'onn, it's the replacement for his people-he was there from the beginning, and past short breaks down the line, he's always been there.

Other than him, there should be a rotating lineup-not every superhero like JLU, but a rotating lineup depending on the situation.

[Lex]

While Morrison's idea of the Big 7 was cool and a good idea to have most of DC's most popular characters in one comic (like Joe Quesada's idea for having Spider-Man and Wolverine in New Avengers).

But, as cool as all the big characters are, I don't think they are that interesting by themselves. I prefer a JLA that has many of the Big 7 plus some 2nd, 3rd or lower tier characters. Like, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain Atom, Vixen, Skyrocket (from Power Company) and Adam Strange. That's kinda what I like. A mix.

I can't tell where DC is headed. After Morrison left the book, it's been hard to break away from the Big 7 model, though Joe Kelly had some good luck with this (not counting the characters he created). But, since Identity Crisis, it seems like the Satelite Era has been making a comback. It would be fun if we get some characters from the Satalite Era mixed in with the Big 7. IDC kinda pissed on the chances of Elongated Man and Atom rejoining, but maybe Zatanna or Red Tornado will rejoin.

I, personally, would love it if Captain Marvel joined the League. Sure, he was fun in JSA, but he's iconic enough to be in JLA with DC's other stars.

[jetfire85]

Here's the reasoning behind my potential line-up:

*Superman should be what I call an "Ultimate Reserve". Uninvolved with the League day-to-day, but on call as back-up.

*Batman is definitely on the outs. Nightwing will probably take his place; he's a JLA reservist and the Outsiders are either going to reformat themselves or collapse during One-Year Gap.

*Wonder Woman should probably go as well, to be replaced by Troia. I'd love WW to join the Birds of Prey, and maybe go on "Ultimate Reserve" status like Superman.

*With Hal back, we have four of the original JLA founders--GL, Aquaman, Black Canary and Martian Manhunter. These four should form the backbone of a new League.

*The new JLA should include members of its past incarnations. Booster Gold is pretty much a shoe-in at this point. Add in Elongated Man (getting back to crime-fighting would probably be some good therapy) and Fire (where the hell has she been for the last three years or so, aside from the Super-Buddies?).

So the final tally is Martian Manhunter, GL (Hal), Black Canary, Aquaman, Troia, Nightwing, Booster Gold, Fire and Elongated Man. It represents all of the old League incarnations (hey, Ralph, Arthur and J'onn were in JL Detroit!) and spreads out the balance of power.

[Lex]

Let me all just blow your minds for a second.

What if, because of Infinite Crisis, the normal Big 7 JLA breaks up? Then for one years, the League is made up of just secondary characters. So, when the "One Year Later..." event happens, we see that all these 2nd/3rd tier or lower characters are in the JLA (maybe even some new characters). And, then we see how the Big 7 start to take up the reigns of the League again.

It was just a thought hat occured to me.

[Taskmaster]

Let me all just blow your minds for a second.

What if, because of Infinite Crisis, the normal Big 7 JLA breaks up? Then for one years, the League is made up of just secondary characters. So, when the "One Year Later..." event happens, we see that all these 2nd/3rd tier or lower characters are in the JLA (maybe even some new characters). And, then we see how the Big 7 start to take up the reigns of the League again.

It was just a thought hat occured to me.

Sounds too much like when Morrison took over

Here's the reasoning behind my potential line-up:

*Superman should be what I call an "Ultimate Reserve". Uninvolved with the League day-to-day, but on call as back-up.

*Batman is definitely on the outs. Nightwing will probably take his place; he's a JLA reservist and the Outsiders are either going to reformat themselves or collapse during One-Year Gap.

*Wonder Woman should probably go as well, to be replaced by Troia. I'd love WW to join the Birds of Prey, and maybe go on "Ultimate Reserve" status like Superman.

*With Hal back, we have four of the original JLA founders--GL, Aquaman, Black Canary and Martian Manhunter. These four should form the backbone of a new League.

*The new JLA should include members of its past incarnations. Booster Gold is pretty much a shoe-in at this point. Add in Elongated Man (getting back to crime-fighting would probably be some good therapy) and Fire (where the hell has she been for the last three years or so, aside from the Super-Buddies?).

So the final tally is Martian Manhunter, GL (Hal), Black Canary, Aquaman, Troia, Nightwing, Booster Gold, Fire and Elongated Man. It represents all of the old League incarnations (hey, Ralph, Arthur and J'onn were in JL Detroit!) and spreads out the balance of power.

Love the ideas about Batman being replaced by Nightwing (I've always thought Dick was a better fit for the team, plus i'd like to see him become the leader considering he's the best team leader the DCU has) and Superman as the ultimate reservist is just how I think it ought to be too.

I'd love to see the League consist of:

-Nightwing - leader
-Martian Manhunter
-Flash (Wally)
-Black Canary
-Green Arrow (Ollie)
-Green Lantern (John) at least until Hal straightens out his life, probably longer because John would accept Dick's leadership better
-Plastic Man
-Atom
-Red Tornado
-Booster Gold
-Steel (John)
-Cyborg - new blood for the team in a hero that deserves respect
-Manitou Raven (despite where he was left in JLE)
Immediate On Call Reserves
-Superman
-Green Lantern (Hal)
-Wonder Woman
-Aquaman

[jetfire85]

While I love the idea of Cyborg joining the League, I like him too much as the leader of the Teen Titans.

[Adem]

Superman
Martian Manhunter
The Flash
Black Canary
Plastic Man
Green Lantern (John)
Zatanna

I think Batman will leave the Justice League and Wonder Woman is going to get into a fight with Superman so maybe she will leave.

[Patriot07]

Superman
Black Canary
Martain Manhunter
Aquaman
The Flash
Green Lantern (Hal)
The Atom

[Patriot07]

Sounds too much like when Morrison took over



Love the ideas about Batman being replaced by Nightwing (I've always thought Dick was a better fit for the team, plus i'd like to see him become the leader considering he's the best team leader the DCU has) and Superman as the ultimate reservist is just how I think it ought to be too.

I'd love to see the League consist of:

-Nightwing - leader
-Martian Manhunter
-Flash (Wally)
-Black Canary
-Green Arrow (Ollie)
-Green Lantern (John) at least until Hal straightens out his life, probably longer because John would accept Dick's leadership better
-Plastic Man
-Atom
-Red Tornado
-Booster Gold
-Steel (John)
-Cyborg - new blood for the team in a hero that deserves respect
-Manitou Raven (despite where he was left in JLE)
Immediate On Call Reserves
-Superman
-Green Lantern (Hal)
-Wonder Woman
-Aquaman

Why would Nightwing (a JLA newbie) lead when Atom, John, J'onn, Black Canary, and Flash are on the team. I'd love to see him in place of Bats on the tream, but leader is pushing it.

[The Shadow]

I'm all for the big 7 as well... only Kyle and not Hal (Kyle's earned it... Hal tried to kill everyone)

The JLA is suppose to be DC's BIG TITLE... why have marginal characters like Red Tornado or Steel or Booster Gold in it?

This book should be the "BIG GUNS"... not the "This is all we have at the moment guns"

[Lex]

The JLA is suppose to be DC's BIG TITLE... why have marginal characters like Red Tornado or Steel or Booster Gold in it?

Because they are awesome! :p

I agree that the JLA book should feature DC's most popular heroes. It works great for readers who want to read about Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc. without having to pick up 40 solo books. That was the theory for putting Spider-Man and Wolverine on New Avengers (and it has turned out to be a successful idea for Marvel).

But, I think it's boring to have just the Big 7. I think it's more fun to have the Big 7 plus additional characters. Why have extra characters in the JLA? I say, "Why not?"

[The Shadow]

But, I think it's boring to have just the Big 7. I think it's more fun to have the Big 7 plus additional characters. Why have extra characters in the JLA? I say, "Why not?"
... Why not have a new team?

If the JLA are the BIG GUNS and everyone knows it, why not have a team called "Boosters Butt Kickers" :p :D and feature some of the less featured characters?

Adding weaker characters diminishes the JLA. I know lots of people like the Geffin JLA but I HATED it... it was cartoonish with a band of misfits running around (the odd BIG GUN excepted) and it really knocked the hell out of the JLA in terms of respectability. Why do you think when Morrison started the book they went to the Big 7? Money (of course) but also because people didn't want to read about DC's premiere super team with Booster Gold and Blue Beetle or Guy Gardner... WARRIOR (?) on it.

[Justin Davis]

I think it's funny that there's a thread of people talking about what they want the League to look like after Infinite Crisis, but yet, we have no idea what Infinite Crisis is at this point.

[slayer2005]

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Hawkgirl


...oh wait. Sorry. I was thinking of the cartoon roster.

Honestly, they should increase their membership. I think Green Arrow, Zatanna, Black Canary and Hawkman will be removed from the roster after their involvement with the mindwipes (and Batman no longer trusts them). Hal Jordan, not for a while since he may have to fix his life. How about a Teen Titan joining the JLA? My vote is Starfire, Donna Troy or Nightwing. Booster Gold may also join but he has to prove his worth in the upcoming months. Also, Aquaman will be a reserve member.

[The Mirrorball Man]

We'll probably have a cool new roster full of cool new characters with cool names like Apogeon, Karmanaut, Apocalypse Bob, Babelburst, etc. And after six months, the big seven will come back... :D

[Forefinger]

I'd like to see the classic Big 7 with Kyle as GL. But with a few extra members, like when Morrison's JLA grew to 15 members with Barda, Orion, Steel, and the Angel (I'm having a brain fart, it's been too long since I've seen him, can't remember his name). The big 7 could come in for the big cases and everything, but the series could focus in on the others that don't have their own titles, so there could actually be some character development in JLA. This is where JSA kicks JLA's ass, and also having the same writing team/writer for such a long run, gives JSA such great continuity. That in mind, I'd like to see either Morrison or Kelly return to the title.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I hope you guys know that by Infinite Crisis, the big 3, if not the big 7, are going to hate each other's guts!

In other words, multiple superhero groups! :cool:

[SHOOT1SAM]

The JLA will not be complete without the return of.........................







Snapper Carr! :D

[tangentman]

Here's a non-Big 7 roster:

Nightwing (leader)
Troia
Skyrocket
Captain Comet
The Ray
Blue Devil
Enchantress

[Chaos_Sentry]

Could someone gimme a reason why Nightwing should be leader? Because I just don't see someone of his weakness in the entire collection of DC comics become a leader of the freakin' [B]JUSTICE LEAGUE


EDIT: Yes I know hes my avatar, but he looks pretty cool. :D

[hotrodimus]

use the contingency league again

[Boomstick King]

The Atom
Nightwing
Elongated Man
GL (Jon)
Martian Manhunter
Green Arrow
The Flash
Aquaman
Steel

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I think any JLA without the Holy Trinity of Supes, Bats & WW + Flash & Green Lantern is false advertising. Those are the Big Guns. The World's Greatest Heroes. Without them, you might as well rename the book Avengers, Outsiders, Ultimates, Maximums or Super Friends, because it certainly isn't the Justice League.

That said, all of those characters shouldn't have to appear in every issue or dominate every story, the second string is where the soap opera/characer development stuff happens. But the Big Guns are the spine of the book and the reason the book exists in the first place.

The key is choosing the good second stringers who interact well together and avoiding third and fourth string characters at all costs. How do we know who's third and fourth string you say? Welp, all writers need to do is follow these simple rules:

1) Did you create the character specifically to put them into the JLA? Don't. Past examples of these include such lame-assed characters as Faith, Triumph and the entire craptacular roster of JLDetroit.

2) When you really think honestly about it, do you think the character is be better suited to the JSA or Teen Titans? If so, don't put them in the JLA. Past examples of these include Firestorm, Nuklon, Obsidian and, unfortunately, Power Girl.

3) Were they created between 1990 and 1996? With a few notable exceptions, there were no good characters created during this time. Avoid all Bloodlines characters in particular.

[hangmanjury]

Justice League Unlimited proves that you can pull in the entire DCU and stick them under one banner, and with enough skill, make it work. You can have a couple of the Big Seven in each issue, and then a team of side characters to showcase. Yes, JLA is the BIG book, and they have a spitload of reserve members that shouldn't go unused.

The biggest differences between the second stringers and the first stringers are exposure and marketing, and appearances in the JLA can rectify that.

[hangmanjury]

Could someone gimme a reason why Nightwing should be leader? Because I just don't see someone of his weakness in the entire collection of DC comics become a leader of the freakin' [B]JUSTICE LEAGUE


EDIT: Yes I know hes my avatar, but he looks pretty cool. :D

Whatever of Batman's tricks Dick never picked up, he compensates by having actual people skills.

[jeanpaulB.]

Here's the reasoning behind my potential line-up:

*Superman should be what I call an "Ultimate Reserve". Uninvolved with the League day-to-day, but on call as back-up.

*Batman is definitely on the outs. Nightwing will probably take his place; he's a JLA reservist and the Outsiders are either going to reformat themselves or collapse during One-Year Gap.

*Wonder Woman should probably go as well, to be replaced by Troia. I'd love WW to join the Birds of Prey, and maybe go on "Ultimate Reserve" status like Superman.

*With Hal back, we have four of the original JLA founders--GL, Aquaman, Black Canary and Martian Manhunter. These four should form the backbone of a new League.

*The new JLA should include members of its past incarnations. Booster Gold is pretty much a shoe-in at this point. Add in Elongated Man (getting back to crime-fighting would probably be some good therapy) and Fire (where the hell has she been for the last three years or so, aside from the Super-Buddies?).

So the final tally is Martian Manhunter, GL (Hal), Black Canary, Aquaman, Troia, Nightwing, Booster Gold, Fire and Elongated Man. It represents all of the old League incarnations (hey, Ralph, Arthur and J'onn were in JL Detroit!) and spreads out the balance of power.



I think that the lineup should stay the same. I want to see how these heroes deal with the new insights they have from identity crisis and all of the other stuff happening. I want to know how they deal with the resulting tensions, differences of philosophies, how they now view eachother, and still have to work together. that is very interesting. I want to see how they treat zantanna and the other leaguers who did the unthinkable, and the manifesations of not trusting them completely. dealing with that in light of having to work with these same individuals in the field. that is an interesting thing.

[pureclint]

Could someone gimme a reason why Nightwing should be leader? Because I just don't see someone of his weakness in the entire collection of DC comics become a leader of the freakin' [B]JUSTICE LEAGUE


EDIT: Yes I know hes my avatar, but he looks pretty cool. :D


How about the fact he has already led the team?

[SpiritDragon]

I'm all for the big 7 as well... only Kyle and not Hal (Kyle's earned it... Hal tried to kill everyone)

The JLA is suppose to be DC's BIG TITLE... why have marginal characters like Red Tornado or Steel or Booster Gold in it?

This book should be the "BIG GUNS"... not the "This is all we have at the moment guns"

I agree. The JLA isn't the same without the Kyle/Wally chemistry. Having John Stewart on the team just screams "Mediocrity" to the audience. The only way I would support Hal on the team if he's paired up with Barry. It's either Kyle/Wally, or Hal/Barry, or nothing at all.

Clark
Diana
Bruce
Kyle
Wally
Arthur
J'onn

That's the JLA people will pay to see month after month.

[EZMOHR]

I would like to see

1. Aquaman
2. Capt. Marvel
3. Wonder Woman
4. The Flash
5. John Stewart
6. Zatanna
7. Conner Hawke

[The Shadow]

Here's a non-Big 7 roster:

Nightwing (leader)
Troia
Skyrocket
Captain Comet
The Ray
Blue Devil
Enchantress
And not to target you... but with this lineup the sales would fall faster than a Winick written Green Lantern!

There's a reason why DC will always have the big 7 (does Jonn REALLY belong among the others?... I'm not talking power wise) is because they sell comics (that's why I singled out Jonn... he can't carry a series) and they will always be there now... or until the market can support a whacky fun team again.

[SpiritDragon]

J'onn had a great run in his series. I have the entire collection so I don't see any bad points in his character. Bottom line, the JLA is not the JLA without the Martian Manhunter. He's the heart and soul of the team.

On a side note, does anyone know why DC continues to support a 2nd rate Green Lantern (John Stewart) within the JLA? Hal's got the GL book, Stewart/Gardner/Kilowog will probably get the new GL Corps book, Kyle has every right to come back to the League. Isn't that Kyle's signature in the 7 Core Membership Charter in the first place?

[Lex]

And not to target you... but with this lineup the sales would fall faster than a Winick written Green Lantern!

There's a reason why DC will always have the big 7 (does Jonn REALLY belong among the others?... I'm not talking power wise) is because they sell comics (that's why I singled out Jonn... he can't carry a series) and they will always be there now... or until the market can support a whacky fun team again.

You really like the Big 7 JLA. Fine. But I think that there is room for both the Big 7 (or at least 5 of the 7 if need be) and a group of other characters. That way, the people who like the Big 7 will enjoy the book and the people who want other characters in the League can enjoy it too.

[hangmanjury]

Anything - a team, a story, or just a structure - needs something to hold it together. J'onn does that for the League, and that's why he belongs in the Big 7.

[The Shadow]

On a side note, does anyone know why DC continues to support a 2nd rate Green Lantern (John Stewart) within the JLA?
I'm guessing is for those reasons you mentioned... Hal's got his book, Guy and Kyle will be in the new Corps book... and John gets the JLA (and he's in the popular cartoon... I bet that has something to do with it as well)

[The Shadow]

You really like the Big 7 JLA. Fine. But I think that there is room for both the Big 7 (or at least 5 of the 7 if need be) and a group of other characters. That way, the people who like the Big 7 will enjoy the book and the people who want other characters in the League can enjoy it too.
Fair enough... but when the group gets too large page time becomes a problem. I've collected comics long enough to know that somewhere someone will bitch because their favorite character isn't being featured ENOUGH.

And as I said, the Big 7 sell the book. Atom doesn't sell. Guy Gardner doesn't sell. Zatanna doesn't sell (though with fishnets she should!), Troia? Sky Rocket? Captain Comet? When was the last time you heard someone at your comic shop rush in because CAPTAIN COMET was appearing in a comic? Who runs out for that Booster Gold guest spot? Now if a situation calls for some help... like the JLA needs Atom for scientific help for an arc? Great! Sign him up... but only temporarily.

As I said way earlier, they should have a second stringer team to appease those fans that want it... but don't have em in the JLA. The JLA is suppose to be for the BIG threats.

Who would you want on the front likes... Superman and Wonder Woman or Booster Gold and Captain Comet? 'Nuff said.

[jonahhex]

aw, the heck with sale-ability. The JL can survive just about anything. JL antartica and the detroit JL come and go and the book still survives.

My proposal turn the JLA into a DC version of the non-team the defenders for a year or two. Martian Manhunter for continuity. The Phanthom Stanger for Dr. Strange, Lobo for the Hulk, Dolphin for Sub-mariner, Captain Comet for the Silver Surfer, Artemis for Valkyrie, the Creeper for Nighthawk, and Gypsy for Hellcat and the Red Tornado to have a silent background character who says and does little. constant guest appearances including but not limited to Dr. Occult/Rose, Adam Strange, Cave Carson, KISS the rock band, Mercury of the Metal Men, Brother Power the Geek, Animal Man, the Enchantress, time trips with the Legion of Super-heroes in the pocket universe, and of course Bat-mite!!!!

[LordKaos]

Martain Manhunter
Zatanna
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern (Kyle)
Flash
The Atom
Captain Marvel or Hawkman

[Gingold]

I love the "big 5" characters (let's stop pretending that J'onn and Arthur are A-listers, okay? They're both favorites of mine, but I don't think too many people won't pick up JLA because these guys aren't appearing...), and I think they should always be at the core of the team (doesn't really matter which Flash or GL, either), but there's plenty of room for the B-listers to shine in the League: Black Canary, Green Arrow, Hawkman, Plastic Man, Atom, Steel, Zatanna, Zauriel, Blue Beetle, Elongated Man, Mister Miracle, Barda, Metamorpho, Dr. Fate, Orion,Captain Marvel, Red Tornado, Captain Atom, Firestorm...all of these folks made great Leaguers and it would be stupid to keep them off the team because they're not "iconic" enough. And in small doses, some C-level guys have worked too- Crimson Fox, Booster Gold, Fire and Ice, Animal Man, Vixen, Huntress, Rocket Red,and Dr. Light II made fairly respectable members- you just don't want the whole team consisting of them.On the other hand, we don't need to have the likes of Silver Sorceress, Vibe, Mys-Tech, Bloodwynd, Maxima, Yaz, Manitou Raven, Agent Liberty, Triumph, or Faith anywhere near the Watchtower, Secret Sanctuary, Satellite, or Embassy. Post Infinite Crisis, I want a League that showcases the best the DCU has to offer, a big team that doesn't need to appear en masse most of the time, but uses the characters that work best for the stories.

[handOFfate]

This is what I would like to see...
After infinite crisis, the big three all go their seperate ways for some reason or another. The next meeting at the justice league watchtower proves that the team can no longer function properly because Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman cannot stop arguing with one another. Martian Manhunter, not wanting to kick any of the members out, proposes a plan in which the justice league splits into three teams that handle different situations with minimum contact with each other. Superman and Wonder Woman agree, and Batman is eventually convinced to give it a try. MM designates the Flash as a revolving member (like Wolverine is in the X-books) because Wally has a good relationship with just about all the members and can get from team to team the fastest. The teams go as follows...

Justice League Prime- The main team that is based on the watchtower. This team would be featured in the main JLA book. Members...
Superman- J'onn realizes that Clark is Earth's greatest hero. He is the leader and the public face.
Green Lantern (John)- John is chosen because Hal has a tainted image, Supes cannot stand Guy, and Batman refuses to take any GL but Kyle (MM wants to be sure there is a GL on each team).
Zatanna- The league needs a magician, and she is one of the best.
Elongated Man- Supes has very little patience with Plastic Man, and Ralph is an excellent detective.
The Atom- The team's scientist, and someone with a good public image.
Troia- Having outgrown the Teen Titans and not wanting to join the controversial outsiders, Donna gives the team a much-needed power boost.
Steel- The team's technicion and a trusted associate of Superman's. I personally don't like this character much, but he's a good fit here.
Flash
- Justice League Prime is the public team. These are generally all heroes that the public trusts and appreciates.
----
Justice League Elite- While the Prime team deals with the usual JL threats, this team is much more concentrated on Earth's problems and doesnt venture into space or other planets much. This team would be featured in the JLE comic. The members consist of...
Batman- MM would like to keep Bruce out of the JL period, but realizes that his brains and gadgets are a great asset, even with the controversy.
Martian Manhunter- While J'onn would prefer to be on West or Prime teams, he knows that Batman is too much of a loner to be an efficient leader. So he takes the leadership reigns here.
Green Lantern (Kyle)- Batman trusts Kyle more than any of the other GLs. Kyle, for his part, is more comfortable on Earth than in space.
Plastic Man- MM, while finding PM annoying at times, has confidence in his abilities.
Green Arrow (Connor)- Ollie has no love for Batman and would rather be on Hal's team (see below), so the younger GA is called in.
Black Canary- More of a reserve member, as she's already in JSA and BoP.
Captain Marvel- would provide a badly needed boost of power, and some magic as well.
Flash

Justice League West- This team is more out of the public eye and aren't really a regular team. They get together when needed. This is also the largest team. They would be featured in a new book. The members consist of...
Wonder Woman- Diana is in a bad way at the moment, and she's mainly working alone. However, MM convinces her to join.
Nightwing- Is chosen to be the team's leader, as Dick has a lot of experience in the leadership role. He quits the Outsiders, who he thinks would be better off without him.
Green Lantern (Hal)- Hal is mainly working alone at the moment, trying to get his life back together. This team is the perfect opportunity for him to get reaquainted within the superhero world.
Aquaman- A reserve member who only comes on rare occasions.
Supergirl- Clark extends an invitation for her to join his team, but she shocks him and chooses to stay with her mentor, Wonder Woman.
Green Arrow (Ollie)- Ollie is content to let Connor be the full-time JL Green Arrow. He joins mainly to help Hal adjust.
Hawkman- This team is the most likely to accept Hawkman's ruthless ways. Besides, we have to see some GA/Hawkman interaction. Like Aquaman, only a reserve, as he's pretty busy in JSA and his own title. He also provides some magic.
Booster Gold- Is very bitter about how most of the heroes treated Blue Beetle at the end. Wonder Woman and Hal were two of the only heroes to hear BB out, and Booster appreciates it.
Flash

I'm sure there are members I'm leaving out, but I can't think of them at the moment. And those team names wouldn't be the name, they were just something that popped up in my head.

[hangmanjury]

This is what I would like to see...
After infinite crisis, the big three all go their seperate ways for some reason or another. The next meeting at the justice league watchtower proves that the team can no longer function properly because Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman cannot stop arguing with one another. Martian Manhunter, not wanting to kick any of the members out, proposes a plan in which the justice league splits into three teams that handle different situations with minimum contact with each other. Superman and Wonder Woman agree, and Batman is eventually convinced to give it a try. MM designates the Flash as a revolving member (like Wolverine is in the X-books) because Wally has a good relationship with just about all the members and can get from team to team the fastest. The teams go as follows...

Justice League Prime- The main team that is based on the watchtower. This team would be featured in the main JLA book. Members...
Superman- J'onn realizes that Clark is Earth's greatest hero. He is the leader and the public face.
Green Lantern (John)- John is chosen because Hal has a tainted image, Supes cannot stand Guy, and Batman refuses to take any GL but Kyle (MM wants to be sure there is a GL on each team).
Zatanna- The league needs a magician, and she is one of the best.
Elongated Man- Supes has very little patience with Plastic Man, and Ralph is an excellent detective.
The Atom- The team's scientist, and someone with a good public image.
Troia- Having outgrown the Teen Titans and not wanting to join the controversial outsiders, Donna gives the team a much-needed power boost.
Steel- The team's technicion and a trusted associate of Superman's. I personally don't like this character much, but he's a good fit here.
Flash
- Justice League Prime is the public team. These are generally all heroes that the public trusts and appreciates.
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Justice League Elite- While the Prime team deals with the usual JL threats, this team is much more concentrated on Earth's problems and doesnt venture into space or other planets much. This team would be featured in the JLE comic. The members consist of...
Batman- MM would like to keep Bruce out of the JL period, but realizes that his brains and gadgets are a great asset, even with the controversy.
Martian Manhunter- While J'onn would prefer to be on West or Prime teams, he knows that Batman is too much of a loner to be an efficient leader. So he takes the leadership reigns here.
Green Lantern (Kyle)- Batman trusts Kyle more than any of the other GLs. Kyle, for his part, is more comfortable on Earth than in space.
Plastic Man- MM, while finding PM annoying at times, has confidence in his abilities.
Green Arrow (Connor)- Ollie has no love for Batman and would rather be on Hal's team (see below), so the younger GA is called in.
Black Canary- More of a reserve member, as she's already in JSA and BoP.
Captain Marvel- would provide a badly needed boost of power, and some magic as well.
Flash

Justice League West- This team is more out of the public eye and aren't really a regular team. They get together when needed. This is also the largest team. They would be featured in a new book. The members consist of...
Wonder Woman- Diana is in a bad way at the moment, and she's mainly working alone. However, MM convinces her to join.
Nightwing- Is chosen to be the team's leader, as Dick has a lot of experience in the leadership role. He quits the Outsiders, who he thinks would be better off without him.
Green Lantern (Hal)- Hal is mainly working alone at the moment, trying to get his life back together. This team is the perfect opportunity for him to get reaquainted within the superhero world.
Aquaman- A reserve member who only comes on rare occasions.
Supergirl- Clark extends an invitation for her to join his team, but she shocks him and chooses to stay with her mentor, Wonder Woman.
Green Arrow (Ollie)- Ollie is content to let Connor be the full-time JL Green Arrow. He joins mainly to help Hal adjust.
Hawkman- This team is the most likely to accept Hawkman's ruthless ways. Besides, we have to see some GA/Hawkman interaction. Like Aquaman, only a reserve, as he's pretty busy in JSA and his own title. He also provides some magic.
Booster Gold- Is very bitter about how most of the heroes treated Blue Beetle at the end. Wonder Woman and Hal were two of the only heroes to hear BB out, and Booster appreciates it.
Flash

I'm sure there are members I'm leaving out, but I can't think of them at the moment. And those team names wouldn't be the name, they were just something that popped up in my head.
That's an idea, but screams "event" more than "regular monthly title."

The one flaw I find in your pairing is that I don't think Hal would take orders from Dick. They're both very good leaders and egos would clash.

[Lex]

Fair enough... but when the group gets too large page time becomes a problem. I've collected comics long enough to know that somewhere someone will bitch because their favorite character isn't being featured ENOUGH.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of people do that. But as much as I love Stargirl, I don't need to see her in every issue of JSA. I'm fine if they do stories with a small group of the members once-in-a-while. In my opinion, people who complain about this should focus their energies on asking DC for a limited or ongoing series with the character they want to see. If DC thinks there is enough interest for, say a Stargirl series, then they might start one.

And as I said, the Big 7 sell the book.

I'm not disputing that. Morrison was able to revitalize the Justice League franchise for DC by starting it out with the biggest characters in the universe. But if the book contains nothing but the Big 7 for a long time, the concept might get stale and the writers might get bored unless they add other characters into the mix.

Atom doesn't sell.

We've had this discussion before. You know I'd love to buy an Atom ongoing series. :D

Zatanna doesn't sell (though with fishnets she should!)

I think her current Seven Soldiers mini is doing well. Better than the other Seven Soldiers books in any case, and that's because Zatanna is the most well-known of those characters.

Troia?

Isn't she staring on a successful Infinite Crisis tie-in right now? I may not have liked it that much, but I think it did pretty well in the Top 300 for May.

Sky Rocket?

Skyrocket is one of my favorite new characters. If she appeared in a comic, I would buy 5 copies.

Captain Comet? When was the last time you heard someone at your comic shop rush in because CAPTAIN COMET was appearing in a comic?

Heh. I actually did that. I thought Rann/Thanagar #1 wasn't very fun so I wasn't planning on buying #2. But then I heard that Captain Coment and one of the old Starmen made an appearance, so I went back to my shop to get a copy before it sold out. Yes, I actually made a second trip to my comic shop that day for Captain Comet.

As I said way earlier, they should have a second stringer team to appease those fans that want it... but don't have em in the JLA. The JLA is suppose to be for the BIG threats.

Who would you want on the front lines... Superman and Wonder Woman or Booster Gold and Captain Comet?

Booster Gold and Captain Coment. In a heartbeat.

Of course Superman and Wonder Woman will save the day. Firstly, because of all their powers. Secondly, they are DC's icons so they really can't lose.

But if you put Booster, Captain Comet and a couple other lesser characters against... say... Galactus, that will make me very curious. "Hmm... how will Mind-Grabber Kid save the day?" That's exciting! And that's exactly the appeal of the Day of Vengeance mini-series. It has Ragman, Blue Devil, Detective Chimp and a couple other also-ran super-heroes trying to defeat the Spectre. Spectre kicked the crap out of Dr. Fate, the Phantom Stranger, and a ton of other powerful mages. So, how are those nobodies going to stop him? To me, that's exciting! Sure, you could have Superman save the day with the Spear of Destiny or something... but that's just not as interesting.

So that's why I love it when Green Arrow can save the day where Superman can't. Superman can save the world without working up a sweat, but there are a lot of characters that would have to work really hard to fight a JLA-class threat. And I find that to be more interesting that using Superman and Wonder Woman.

[tangentman]

And not to target you... but with this lineup the sales would fall faster than a Winick written Green Lantern!

There's a reason why DC will always have the big 7 (does Jonn REALLY belong among the others?... I'm not talking power wise) is because they sell comics (that's why I singled out Jonn... he can't carry a series) and they will always be there now... or until the market can support a whacky fun team again.

One of the ideas that seem to sound out loudly in this thread is which alternate team would we pick for "The Big 7"? That's not the OFFICIAL question, but we're coming back to it too often to totally dismiss the "subtext" question. Personally, I think that the "Magnificent 7" League has played itself out. We've had nearly a decade to pursue all possible angles with that version of the JLA. My preference is keep all or most of the "Big 7" as part of a larger rotating cast.

This might seem too "Old Skool" of me, but one of the great pleasures of the 70s and early 80s was seeing the Roll Call in the first page. The covers didn't always give away who would appear in the pages, so it was a small pleasure to see who "answered the call to duty" on page 1. Since we're seeing a shift back to that roster due to IC (whatever your opinion of that mini), why not try a contemporary take on the Roll Call?

[surferfan23]

Superman, The Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, The Atom.

[Puffy Treat]

Avoid all Bloodlines characters in particular.

I refuse to give up Hitman just because he was a Bloodlines character.

[Zero Hunter]

Like I said before the JLU cartoon is so much more interesting than the JLA comic, and it is because it mixes the big guns with the 2nd stringers. The big 7 have run their coarse. The regular JLA book is just boring because nothing really ever happens in it with just the big 7. About the only thing that affected anything from a JLA story was when they found out about Batman's protocals for taking down the League. Everything else has just been big nothing stories. The JLA book should have events that trickle down into other books since it is the flagship title of the DCU, but instead it is just in its own little corner where the heroes get together fight some huge threat and then the threat is never heard form again.

It is just boring. I really think the book would be a lot more interesting with at most 3 members of the big 7 appering in any one storyline and 4 or so 2nd stringers filling out the issue. Maybe once a year or every year and half get the big 7 together and make it something special.

[Ring Slinger]

I think they should take the Big 7 Morrison type team.

Aquaman
Batman
The Flash
Green Arrow
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Superman
Wonder Woman

It's simple and it's basically true to the name of THE BIG 7 :eek: Maybe add Black Canary, Booster Gold or Captain Atom for kick-ass cult fan base character.

P.S. I think Martian Manhunter might bite the bullet in Infinite Crisis.

Actually, Martian Manhunter was Morrison's 7th, not Green Arrow. At one time, the DCU could say that J'onn had been a part of every incarnation of the Justice League (post-Crisis) that had ever existed in some way, shape, or form. Is this still true?

[oldtimer]

Like I said before the JLU cartoon is so much more interesting than the JLA comic, and it is because it mixes the big guns with the 2nd stringers. The big 7 have run their coarse. The regular JLA book is just boring because nothing really ever happens in it with just the big 7. About the only thing that affected anything from a JLA story was when they found out about Batman's protocals for taking down the League. Everything else has just been big nothing stories. The JLA book should have events that trickle down into other books since it is the flagship title of the DCU, but instead it is just in its own little corner where the heroes get together fight some huge threat and then the threat is never heard form again.

It is just boring. I really think the book would be a lot more interesting with at most 3 members of the big 7 appering in any one storyline and 4 or so 2nd stringers filling out the issue. Maybe once a year or every year and half get the big 7 together and make it something special.

I agree on several counts.
First, that the JLU tv series is consistently more interesting than the comic.
I do think (besides superior writing) that this has to do with the diversity of the cast.
In a recent poll, asking who we like better, JLA or JSA, JSA won by a landslide. The point being that they don't have any characters as big as the big 3 and consistently re arrange the teams. It's consistent writing and art, not just the characters (although the "Big 3" do help beat the heck out of JSA in sales-but we're talking quality)
Finally, the big 7 do get boring. With the New Avengers, they realized the need for Big Guns as well as new fresh faces to give the team new synergy.

With all this in mind and listening to everyon'e suggestions, I would suggest the following:

Core members

Martian Manhunter-Communications Director-like on the show-it works!
Flash- Wally-core (kinda) and humor.
Superman-gotta have at least this big gun, like Avengers has Capt. America.
Green Lantern-Hal-more interesting than John or Kyle with his comeback.
Black Canary-core , sex appeal, and good connection with Hal.

Nightwing-with Batman gone, they need him. He'd bond with Wally and the young turk as Leader of JLA would be an interesting spin. Superman's too busy to be Leader and Hal would give it a shot just to piss off Batman .

New Supergirl- good tie with Superman and a fresh face.

Now the radical part:

With the core members established, I would rotate one member from other existing teams for diversity, again like the TV show:

You could have Ultra Boy from the Legion.
Stargirl from the JSA
Starfire from the Outsiders or
Cyborg from the Titans.

This is just my take on maintaining core strength but also putting a fresh spin on things.

[nuclearman]

I'd like to see some changes such as..

I would like to see Hal Jordan as the leader and the rest of the group to consist of...

Plastic-Man
The Flash
Dr Fate
Hawkman
Green Arrow

and a young Firestorm, who appears to have more power than Ronnie, to be taught how to control his power and be an asset to the JLA.

(I can dream can't I ??;) )

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

I think any JLA without the Holy Trinity of Supes, Bats & WW + Flash & Green Lantern is false advertising. Those are the Big Guns. The World's Greatest Heroes. Without them, you might as well rename the book Avengers, Outsiders, Ultimates, Maximums or Super Friends, because it certainly isn't the Justice League.

That said, all of those characters shouldn't have to appear in every issue or dominate every story, the second string is where the soap opera/characer development stuff happens. But the Big Guns are the spine of the book and the reason the book exists in the first place.

The key is choosing the good second stringers who interact well together and avoiding third and fourth string characters at all costs. How do we know who's third and fourth string you say? Welp, all writers need to do is follow these simple rules:

1) Did you create the character specifically to put them into the JLA? Don't. Past examples of these include such lame-assed characters as Faith, Triumph and the entire craptacular roster of JLDetroit.

2) When you really think honestly about it, do you think the character is be better suited to the JSA or Teen Titans? If so, don't put them in the JLA. Past examples of these include Firestorm, Nuklon, Obsidian and, unfortunately, Power Girl.

3) Were they created between 1990 and 1996? With a few notable exceptions, there were no good characters created during this time. Avoid all Bloodlines characters in particular.


I'm in complete agreement, save for the fact that I thought Firestorm worked well in the League.

I thought Morrison did an excellent job with the Big 7, but subsequent writers have not seemed to be able to hold up the concept as well as he did. Morrison simply writes "big" threats better than most and those following him have suffered by comparison.

Therefore, I don't think JLA should necessarily be constrained to follow Morrison's model. But, by the same tolken, I'd say at least 5 of the Big 7 have to be included at any one time, so that it doesn't fall back into the Detroit era league.

I actually like the idea of a true "league" of superheroes, as portrayed on JLU. But, probably not so workable in practice in the comics. If I were king for a day, I think my line-up would be:


Superman and Batman (rotating and/or occasional appearance)
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Green Lantern (John Stewart)
Dr. Fate
Skyrocket
a new Rising Sun (formerly Dr. Light IV)
a new Black Orchid
Red Tornado
Steel