Who will be the first casualty in New X-Men: Academy X?

[Ryan K]

Who do you think will be the first casualty of the New X-Men: Academy X class. For the purpose of this thread, I’m only counting the members of the New Mutants and the Hellions. Not the Cuckoos. Not Angel Salvadore. Not random blue skin character that appeared in one panel.

The young next-generation-X-Men characters have a tendency to die young often. Examples can be found among the members of the original New Mutants, the original Hellions, the X-Terminators, and Generation X. Also, history shows us that the deaths often occur after the creators of said characters leave the title. With it recently announce that Nunzio Defillipis and Christina Weir (the creators of most of the New Mutants and Hellions) are leaving the book, I thought it was a good time to start this thread.

Let me be clear about one thing though. I don’t want this thread to be turned into a Craig Kyle/Chris Yost bashing thread. I’m in no way suggesting that they are going to be immediately killing characters from New X-Men: Academy X.

Anyway. Here is a list of some of the young X-Men characters that have been killed over the years. I’ve also compiled some facts about them, their creators, and their deaths. Followed by my opinions on the characters of Academy X.

Rusty Collins
Debut: X-Factor #1 (2/1986)
Creator: Bob Layton
Death: X-Men (Vol. 2) #42 (7/1995)
Killed by: Fabian Nicieza
Lifespan: 9 years, 3 months
Simonson’s last issue with control of Rusty: New Mutants #97 (1/1991)
Lifespan post-Simonson: 4 years, 6 months
Notes: Technically Bob Layton created Rusty Collins in X-Factor #1, but it was really Simonson (who took over with X-Factor #6) that was the main creator during his life.

Doug Ramsey AKA Cypher
Debut: Uncanny X-Men #180 (4/1984)
Creator: Chris Claremont
Death: New Mutants #60 (2/1988)
Killed by: Louise Simonson
Lifespan: 3 years, 10 months
Claremont’s last issue with control of Cypher: New Mutants #54 (8/1987)
Lifespan post-Claremont: 6 months
Notes: Easily the most drastic example of the Post Creator theory.

Illyana Rasputin AKA Magik
Debut (as Magik): Magik #1 (12/1983)
Creator: Chris Claremont
Death: Uncanny X-Men #303 (8/1993)
Killed by: Scott Lobdell
Lifespan: 9 years, 8 months
Claremont’s last issue with creative control of Magik (as adult): New Mutants #54 (8/1987)
Lifespan post-Claremont: 6 years
Notes: Magik is an interesting case. She was reduced to childhood in New Mutants #73 (3/1989), a mere 1 year, 7 moonths after Claremont’s departure (this effectively removed her from the team obviously). Claremont then left the entire X-Men line with X-Men (Vol. 2) #3 (12/1991). Illyana was killed just 1 year, 9 months later.

Warlock
Debut: New Mutants #18 (8/1984)
Creator: Chris Claremont
Death: New Mutants #95 (11/1990)
Killed by: Louise Simonson
Lifespan: 6 years, 3 months
Claremont’s last issue with creative control of Warlock: New Mutants #54 (8/1987)
Lifespan post-Claremont: 3 years, 3 months

Everett Thomas AKA Synch
Debut: X-Men (Vol. 2) #36 (9/1994)
Creator: Fabian Nicieza
Death: Generation X #63 (5/2000)
Killed by: Warren Ellis and Brian Wood
Lifespan: 5 years, 8 months
Lobdell’s last issue with creative control over Synch: Generation X #28 (6/1997)
Lifespan post-Lobdell: 2 years, 11 months
Notes: Fabian Nicieza wrote the issue Synch debuted in. Though I believe Scott Lobdell and Chris Bachalo are credited with his creation. I could be wrong about that. But I did my calculations based on the idea that Lobdell was the main contributor to Synch.

Angelo Espinosa AKA Skin
Debut: Uncanny X-Men #317 (10/1994)
Creator: Scott Lobdell
Death: Uncanny X-Men #423 (7/2003)
Killed by: Chuck Austen
Lifespan: 8 years, 9 months
Lobdell’s last issue with creative control over Skin: Generation X #28 (6/1997)
Lifespan post Lobdell: 6 years, 1 month
Notes: It’s worth mentioning that after Generation X ended in 2000, Skin was only seen one other time before killed in Uncanny X-Men #423.

So, as you can see. Most of those characters didn’t thrive after their creators left their books. Like I said before though. Don’t speculate that Craig Kyle or Chris Yost will necessarily be the ones killing off any students. It wasn’t always the immediate successors who did the dirty work. It’s just that new creators have new ideas for characters. And some ideas just don’t involve some characters.

With all that said, here are my opinions about the New Mutants and Hellions and my ultimate theory.

Most likely to survive:

Elixir
He has a unique look. His power as a healer is useful to the writers of the series and other X-Men series. And he seems to be accepted by both Whedon and Claremont who have used him in their titles.

Dust
One of the few things that has survived Morrison’s run. Her role in X-Men The End seems to indicate at least Claremont likes her. Plus she’s an interesting character and has a unique background in the x-universe

Surge
Blue hair and her gauntlets give her a unique and recognizable look. Lack of a requisite speedster in the x-universe (with the death of Northstar and absence of Quicksilver) lets her serve a niche.

Good chance for survival

Prodigy
Nice potential as a character and seems to be popular. Unfortunately he does have Norma Kid Syndrome (something that ended up killing Synch and Cypher). Also, his power isn’t very sexy (for lack of a better term)

Icarus
Technically, he’s been around the longest. And we all know Guthries have a tendency to survive. He does have the Angel-ripoff thing going for him though, and the story She Lies With Angels left a bad taste in many peoples’ mouths.

Hellion
Moral ambiguity is always nice for characters. Makes Hellion interesting, probably to creators as well. He also seems to be rather popular among fans. Stupid name hurts him.

Don’t get that attached:

Rockslide
Cool looking. That’s about it. Comparisons to the Thing hurt him. So does the fact that he’s really had no spotlight yet. Of course that could change.

Mercury
Similar to Rockslide. She has a unique look, but so far has yet to have any spotlight in the book and thus suffers.

Wind Dancer
She has the strong female thing going for her, and we all know they excel in the x-universe. But basically her power is just a portion of Storm’s. I can’t see her in the x-books for a long perido of time

They should at least decide what they want on their gravestones:

Wallflower
So far we’ve only really seen her as the girl who pines for Elixir. Add to the fact that she also has a less than sexy power and Wallflower could be pushing up daisies in the future.

Tag
His power is easily one of the most confusing I’ve ever seen. He’s easily had the least spotlight of any of the characters.

Wither
Brooding characters are usually good for drama. So that could save him. But with his power, he’s pretty much useless in battle. Like Rogue, we know he’ll never be able to control his power. So in my opinion that makes him useless and repetitive.




My guess would be that the first New X-Men: Academy X death will be Wallflower. Just because she is a member of the New Mutants where most of my other prime suspects are Hellions. And I think a death in the New Mutants would have a bigger effect seeing as how (for the moment) they are the primary focus of the series. My guess would be the first Academy X death occurs within a year to three years (probably the latter based on the fact that today’s comics are slower paced and more drawn out for the tpb).

Anybody else like to post a few guesses or opinions?

[Gaz]

Honestly, I'd rejoice if they killed Jullian. He's like a totally unfunny male version of Emma, without the requesite smarts to be a good villain.
Most of the NM, I really like, with the exception of Jay, and his death would have dramatic reprecussions with Sam and Paige.

[Corey Dreher]

Actually i dont tihnk you are too far off......because i think she is going to become evil.....or she was i dont know......and they are going to kill her because if they dont she will beat them. But for a fact i know Sofia wont die. Comatose...maybe but not die....WIther hes going to get himself killed for some reason...i think he is to angry...

[Corey Dreher]

Honestly, I'd rejoice if they killed Jullian. He's like a totally unfunny male version of Emma, without the requesite smarts to be a good villain.
Most of the NM, I really like, with the exception of Jay, and his death would have dramatic reprecussions with Sam and Paige.


Julian is really cool. And he is different from Emma.....alot. Julian has people who care for him....and a girlfriend...possibley a girlfriend....well its a un-offical girlfriend. Becuase of Sofia Julian wont become a bad guy and he wont go onto the bad side becuase someone loves him so much he wont put her through all of that bad stuff.

[Gaz]

Julian is really cool. And he is different from Emma.....alot. Julian has people who care for him....and a girlfriend...possibley a girlfriend....well its a un-offical girlfriend. Becuase of Sofia Julian wont become a bad guy and he wont go onto the bad side becuase someone loves him so much he wont put her through all of that bad stuff.
Don't get me wrong, I know people like him, but Nunzio and Christina have made me actively HATE Emma, when if I read AXM Joss makes me love to hate her, laughing at her bitchiness. So if Jullian comes across to me as a watered down, unfunny, less smart Emma in NXM, that means I genuinely want the chraracter gone.
His fanbase is big, so he's safe, but I can dream.
Swap Jay and Sooraya, and we'd have a New Mutants team I'd adore.
I like Sofia, also, impulsive but compassionate, and she has more control over the wind than Storm seems to.
But if they kill Prodigy, I'll be up in arms! He's got an original power, which makes him a natural leader, and a great Oracle style character, like Doug should have been originally.

[Corey Dreher]

Don't get me wrong, I know people like him, but Nunzio and Christina have made me actively HATE Emma, when if I read AXM Joss makes me love to hate her, laughing at her bitchiness. So if Jullian comes across to me as a watered down, unfunny, less smart Emma in NXM, that means I genuinely want the chraracter gone.
His fanbase is big, so he's safe, but I can dream.
Swap Jay and Sooraya, and we'd have a New Mutants team I'd adore.
I like Sofia, also, impulsive but compassionate, and she has more control over the wind than Storm seems to.
But if they kill Prodigy, I'll be up in arms! He's got an original power, which makes him a natural leader, and a great Oracle style character, like Doug should have been originally.


Yea rally up the troops if they kill Prodigy.....hell i would be the leader of the manhunt

OT: What about the you v.s Star Wars thing?? Did you ever read my PM??

[Gaz]

Chris has posted here before, so it might be nice to hear from him... *looks around hopefully*

[xakko]

I can't see them killing Jullian. As much as I dislike the character, he has a quality that works in the book. I totally see him going evil, but because they've pretty much said that, he won't.

Unless they kill Wind Dancer, which throws him to the dark side of the Force.

It's hard to say where the characters will go under the new creative team, but right now I don't think there would be the requisite emotional impact if they killed Tag or Rockslide to justify killing a kid. It might be interesting to theorize what sort of death it would be: Illyana's and Skin's were senseless deaths; Doug'sand Synch's were heroic.

If Wither goes, it would probably heroically. Tag would get offed senselessly by some villain for the shock value. Any thoughts?

[Fede]

Marvel said they had great plans for hellion, so dont sxpect him dead very soon...

[The Lucky One]

Marvel said they had great plans for hellion, so dont sxpect him dead very soon...

Yeah... thing is, Marvel (or, to be more accurate, the writers) tend to have big plans for lots of characters... as long as they're selling well. But if a new writer comes along and doesn't like the character -- and said character is not bringing in the $$$ -- all bets are off. Not to be mean, I'm just saying... at one point, there were big plans for Gen X too. Now look at them.

-D

[Steven F.]

To the first poster....you did great with this post!

Personally, I feel that Wind dancer and Prodigy could be killed off, as I think they are easily the most boring of the New Mutants cast....especially Prodigy who I truly can not stand.

Of the Hellions....Tag because he easily has the most stupid power ever.

I really do like Surge, Dust, Icarus (hopefully they can change his name back to Josh), Hellion, Mercury, and Elixer (needs a better code-name), so I hope they stay around.

Wouldn't care either way for Rockslide, Wall Flower, and Wither.

I am glad X-23 is being added, and I hope we get some acknowledgment that Blindfold, Hisako, and Angel (fly girl) are at the school, since they are ignored.

I would love for the Cuckoo's to have a larger role.

:)

[Gaz]

I believe I've actually said I'd enjoy X-23 killing Julian due to him being tagged with her trigger. Gets rid of him, and gives an interesting dynamic with how the other kids react to Laura afterwards.

[The Fury]

As I have no real liking (or more favoritisms) for any of the main cast. Or the Hellions.

I wouldn't care who died.

On a side note, Icarus has died before, his healing factor bought him back. Infact I think he broke his neck once during traing as well, and survived that as well.

[Flight]

Wallflower will be crushed in the egg and spoon race.

[Gaz]

It's odd that David and Laurie are being described as having "boring" powers. I really like both of them, partially because their powers are unique and interseting dramatically, while still useful.
And David was my favorite part of New Mutants, so he's staying, damnit!

[Ryan K]

Oh. And before anyone says anything.

Wing doesn't count. Neither do Quentin Quire, Basilisk, or any of the dead Cuckoo's. They were all created to be killed in the long run. Plus none of them were in Academy X.

I'd also like to say I don't think Jeffrey Garrett counts. His death technically took place before his first appearence in Academy X.

[Ryan K]

It's odd that David and Laurie are being described as having "boring" powers. I really like both of them, partially because their powers are unique and interseting dramatically, while still useful.
And David was my favorite part of New Mutants, so he's staying, damnit!

I like David's power. Lauries' less so. But I think they're both interesting powers.

The problem (as I see it) is they're not physical powers. They're not easily drawn or anything and unless used well can become VERY boring. I think that hurts their long term survival options.

[Gaz]

I like David's power. Lauries' less so. But I think they're both interesting powers.

The problem (as I see it) is they're not physical powers. They're not easily drawn or anything and unless used well can become VERY boring. I think that hurts their long term survival options.
David's power is best shown by having people with specific skills in his team, maybe even X-23.
I kinda fanficced a scene in my head where he picks up on the trigger scent with his power and she admits what happened to her mother to him, and he has to decide whether to tell the other NM or to keep shtum.

[Siddon]

They don't really kill new female characters so I think Sofia will never be dead dead but she should be in limbo for a long time.

Wallflower shouldn't die as empaths are very rare in the Marvel U and I think other creators would want an established one. I could see Peter David grabbing her up for the Hulk series.

Dust, Surge, X-23 I really don't see them going down at any point.

David, Josh, Jay, Tag, Rockslide and Kevin those are the character that won't be around in 15 years.

[xakko]

David, Josh, Jay, Tag, Rockslide and Kevin those are the character that won't be around in 15 years.

You mean we won't have the Uncanny Team Guthrie Hyper Factor X?

You've just ruined my hopes for the future.

[Siddon]

You mean we won't have the Uncanny Team Guthrie Hyper Factor X?

You've just ruined my hopes for the future.

I'm on the fence with Jay but I think somebody is going to wipe out the Gunthrie clan much like Scott L. wiped out all the Rasputin's(except Peter who they made evilish) in 1 year period of time.

[Beast]

I don't think they'd kill off Joshua Guthrie. He's a long running character in the Marvel Universe, even before Chuckie Austen made him a Mutie. Plus his wings can be very dynamic art wise for artists, which helps save him from the axe. :)

[Siddon]

I don't think they'd kill off Joshua Guthrie. He's a long running character in the Marvel Universe, even before Chuckie Austen made him a Mutie. Plus his wings can be very dynamic art wise for artists, which helps save him from the axe. :)

I think Bendis might wipe out all the Gunthries this summer Josh II might die so that Husk or Cannonball can become a major character.

X-23 does need a roster spot on a major team.

[Gaz]

I think Bendis might wipe out all the Gunthries this summer Josh II might die so that Husk or Cannonball can become a major character.

X-23 does need a roster spot on a major team.
Yep, and I don't think she'll play well with the Hellions.
Julian:"Well, sweetheart, this is how we do things in MY team... ARRGGGGH!"
*she's just kicked him in the crotch*
Snikt! :evilsmile

[Tenebrae]

I would say the best criteria for selecting a character who might die would be that they need to be big enough that their death would generate an emotional impact (which excludes most of the Hellions) but not so popular that they kill off a fan favourite (which excludes Julian and maybe David and Sofia, I guess?). The two that spring to mind would be Elixir and Wallflower.

Both have their downside for the writers - its hard to show Elixir being useful in combat, which proved to be Cypher's undoing, and its hard to justify Wallflower not taking out every enemy they come across by making them feel sleepy or calm etc, which may be the reason Karma was stuck in limbo for so long and is so rarely seen in combat situations.

Both, through their storylines with each other, likely feel a little more real to many readers, and one of them dying would pack a punch. I'd rather not see any of them die but if its anyone, I'd peg one of those two.

[The Lucky One]

It's odd that David and Laurie are being described as having "boring" powers. I really like both of them, partially because their powers are unique and interseting dramatically, while still useful.

Very wise, young grasshopper. ;) I happen to agree, but the realist in me has to point out that that didn't save Cypher or Synch. For as many of us like interesting characters with dynamic personalities, many more just like to see people shooting stuff out of their hands. Hence the 90s.

-D

[handOFfate]

I was actually thinking about this earlier when I was reading through New Mutants run. I do think there will be a death since X-23 will most likely be a New Mutant. I simply can't see her being a Hellion.

Jay- The least-used character in New X-Men, but he's safe. Why? He's a Guthrie and his wings provide a unique visual. One of the few complaints I had about the previous writers is that they gave this character almost no spotlight.

Surge- The second least-used character, but she's safe because shes a speedster (who are surprisingly rare in the Marvel Universe) and she's got a pretty cool look with her metal gauntlets and blue hair. Sadly the new writers will probably not follow up on her storyline with David.

Elixer- He wont die because hes the only healer in New X-Men so far and he has a unique look (see where i'm going with this). However, i've got a bad feeling this character will be pushed to the wayside with the new writers, unless he runs around healing all the people that X-23 stabs.

Wind Dancer- A Storm-like character without the power. She seems to be fairly popular with fans, so she's probably safe. However, expect his character to go into limbo after this run is over. The only thing that may save her is her love/hate relationship with Julian.

Wallflower- Laurie is in big trouble. Not particular unique-looking and her powers are difficult to write in battle. The new writers can pull a shocker and make her a villain (a direction I think the original writers were headed for), and that may be the only thing that saves her from eternal limbo or death.

Prodigy- David's one of my favorite characters, but this is the most likely character to die. Why? He's simply useless in battle, much like previous casualties Cypher and Synch. I would hate to see this, personally. He has a lot of potential as an X-Men ally in the Forge-type role.

Hellion- No way Julian dies. He's too popular with fans and the creators at Marvel seem to like the character. I'm guessing he steps into a major role in New X-Men. Same thing with Dust.

None of the other Hellions are important enough to justify killing them for emotional value. Their safe.

[Atom_basher]

Having prodigy die would be extremely tragic and kinda ironic because when he came to the shool, it wasnt with the intention of being a hero, all he wanted to do was learn to use his powers, and go back home, now if he died in combat that would be really sad

[Bryan Rios]

Honestly, I wouldn't care if any character died... as long as it wasn't Cessily, Sofia, Julian, Sorraya, and Laurie. Clearly there won't be a death of Jay. And I'd really like to see Cessily get some spotlight sometime. She's an interesting enough character. This way at some point in the future it could be kind of tragic if she were killed.

[Huzzah!]

The problem with keeping Dust around is i know, in a few years, some writer will have her in a cleavage costume.

[Sandoz]

If there's a good enough story to support it, I have no problem with any of the New Mutants/Hellions being killed (well, with the exceptions of Sofia and Julian). I think Wither and Elixer are the most likely to suffer a bad fate; Elixir has a history of acting impulsive and putting himself in harm's way, and Wither has a bit of a death wish.

The problem with keeping Dust around is i know, in a few years, some writer will have her in a cleavage costume.
*shudder*

[MrBiggs7]

I'm tired of them killing the brothas and the vatos! "Oh it's okay to kill off Skin because we have Sunspot! Let's kill Synch first though because, even though he's an oreo, he's just too ethnic. Because of this reason Sofia and David dies. David's story is the first New Mutants (vol.2) that I read and would throw a hissy fit if he dies. I hope he realizes how his powers and mind can help the X-Men and how he can be a leader despite having non-combatative powers.

Noriko doesn't die because X-Universe favors asians. I personally don't remember any asian characters dying. Sunfire has had the crap kicked out of him several times but the dude never dies. What's up with that?

Elixer can't die. He's a smooth pimp who loves the...you know the rest.

Jay Guthrie has been around almost as long as Paige and Sam. And his healing factor stops him from dying.

Wallflower will bethe one who dies. Provides shock. There's emotional connection but there's just not much potential for her future.

[Huzzah!]

sunfire is dead now

[MrBiggs7]

sunfire is dead now

From his marvel team up battles?

[PerfectBrak]

I hope none of them die. Regardless of the fate of past New Mutants members, the kids are training at school. They shouldn't be dying.

Yes, sometimes they're put in danger but there really is no need to kill them besides cheap shock value.

[Blackcat]

Not likely to die and will for sure stay in the X-books: Dust, Hellion, Icarus, Mercury ans Rockslide

Big change they will die (or leave 'the X live' in another way) sometime in the coming 5 years: Wallflower, Winddancer, Tag.

Stay alive but moving to back, back, background characters: Surge and Prodigy

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[Blackcat]

sunfire is dead now

Huh? He lost his legs, but is still alive.

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[xakko]

I think Bendis might wipe out all the Gunthries this summer Josh II might die so that Husk or Cannonball can become a major character.

X-23 does need a roster spot on a major team.

The Guthrie clain is quite the continuity mess... perrhaps trying to unravel it is what drove poor Wanda to lay on with the Woogies. After House of M there will be 1)definite hair color and appearance for Ma Guthrie, 2) a definitive number of Guthries, and finally 3) definitive names and appearances for all of God's Guthries

I thought there was a roster spot already open- unless you meant on Astonishing, Uncanny, or Adjectiveless.

By the by- do you think a burqa is can be a workable costume. I think keeping Sooraya's faith is an important aspect, and wonder if she would either be able to or have the desire to join the big leagues some day.

[The Lucky One]

sunfire is dead now

Yeah, that was... not your best-timed argument, Biggs. Sunfire just died in Rogue's magazine, though she absorbed his personality before he died.

Oh yeah, and Cypher was white. And so was Rusty. So, yeah.

-D

[atoningunifex]

Does it really matter if any of them die? if enough people moan about it some hack will find a way to bring them back from the dead.

[Corey Dreher]

They don't really kill new female characters so I think Sofia will never be dead dead but she should be in limbo for a long time.

Wallflower shouldn't die as empaths are very rare in the Marvel U and I think other creators would want an established one. I could see Peter David grabbing her up for the Hulk series.

Dust, Surge, X-23 I really don't see them going down at any point.

David, Josh, Jay, Tag, Rockslide and Kevin those are the character that won't be around in 15 years.


David, Josh, Jay, and Kevin will be alive. Daivd is eventually take over the school....countine the dream. Josh a omega level healer wont go away. Jay is a Gutheire and plus i tihnk hes going to be a a great asset to the team. And Kevin is going to be a villan. I know that becuase I can tell of his behavior. He wants Laurie, she turns him down or do sometihng possibley worst then he will get all mad and go evil. He could work with Laruie's dad.

[Christopher O]

Wallflower. She came to mind as soon as I read the title of the thread.

[Gaz]

Wallflower. She came to mind as soon as I read the title of the thread.
Me too, sadly.
Then I thought "Hellion! Nope, not gonna happen, no matter how much I bribe Chris and Craig." :(

[Christopher O]

Then I thought "Hellion! Nope, not gonna happen, no matter how much I bribe Chris and Craig." :(
Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. ;)

[Gaz]

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. ;)
I still want my X-23 castrates him scene, foot claw in the 'nads! :D

[Huzzah!]

From his marvel team up battles?

It was in rogue as others have said. Got his legs chopped off and Rogue sucked him dry


Also i didnt read any Gen X, but was Synch an orea?

[Charagon]

I'm thinking Whither. He's been around since New Mutants vol. 2, he's been on both teams, he's got the unrequited crush thing going on (so did Doug), and his power is really hard to write around.

[Tre Styles]

It was in rogue as others have said. Got his legs chopped off and Rogue sucked him dry


Also i didnt read any Gen X, but was Synch an orea?

Well, that wasn't nice of Rogue. And by "Oreo" I think Mr. Biggs was saying that Synch was "black" on the outside and "white" on the inside......which is not hardly the case. Why is it that when a brotha is intelligent, doesn't speak ebonics, doesn't come from the "projects" or the hood, he's gotta be labled an "Oreo"? Why can't he just be....you, know himself? Why does it always have to be about the color? And what is "speaking black or speaking white" anyhow? Speech has color? I know culture does but...damn...when are we going to rise ascend?Luke Cage, Bishop, Synch, Prodigy, Black Panther and the Falcon are all black Marvel characters. They all speak differently. This doesn't make them more or less "black" than each other. Synch came from St. Louis, and he grew up in a decent home where his mother was a teacher(I think), and his father was a doctor. His mother and father were both African-American as well if Mr. Biggs was saying that he had a white motha and a black father or something...ahem......enough about that point, andto the main subject.....I think that Wallflower, Tag, and Rockslide are all characters who might be on the chopping block. The one thing that I could see saving Laurie, is that she has the potential to be an "Empath" like character where she could be able to manipulate the emotions of others. Of course, her evil psychatrist daddy will probably play a role in making her the villian. She's well on her way now that Josh has broke her heart, she's becoming more and more "cold" and manipulating to others. (Note: Making David kiss her is one example of her steps towards EVVVVIIIIIL ;) )
Julian and Sofia have this incredible dynamic thing going....and fans love it. Julian is the bad boy who has the potential to be either a really cool villian, or a morally ambigious hero.(Like Wolverine) I could see Icarus dying though....maybe that's what this his healing factor is not what we thought it was bit is about .....Sooraya aka Dust...too interesting to kill....or maybe not....Surge, nope. No killing Noriko. And while I don't think that they should kill Prodigy, because he's just like a young Taskmaster, they might, because he's also considered to be as some said "normal", when he's not, but some consider him as such...... ;) :cool:

[Siddon]

I thinks it very important to keep in mind that Generation X, X-factor, Excalibur, X-force, and New Mutants went thier full runs without killing a single female rostermate.

[Steven F.]

That is a very intesting though....so I still say Prodigy, Tag, Rockslide, and Wither are the most likely.

[Gaz]

That is a very intesting though....so I still say Prodigy, Tag, Rockslide, and Wither are the most likely.
Wither then. Good way to solidfy Laurie as a villain, if they go there.

[Corey Dreher]

[QUOTE=Tre Styles]
Well, that wasn't nice of Rogue. And by "Oreo" I think Mr. Biggs was saying that Synch was "black" on the outside and "white" on the inside......which is not hardly the case. Why is it that when a brotha is intelligent, doesn't speak ebonics, doesn't come from the "projects" or the hood, he's gotta be labled an "Oreo"? Why can't he just be....you, know himself? Why does it always have to be about the color? And what is "speaking black or speaking white" anyhow? Speech has color? I know culture does but...damn...when are we going to rise ascend?Luke Cage, Bishop, Synch, Prodigy, Black Panther and the Falcon are all black Marvel characters. They all speak differently. This doesn't make them more or less "black" than each other. Synch came from St. Louis, and he grew up in a decent home where his mother was a teacher(I think), and his father was a doctor. His mother and father were both African-American as well if Mr. Biggs was saying that he had a white motha and a black father or something...ahem......enough about that point, andto the main subject.....

Tell it like it is. Becuase then i would be consider a "Oreo". WHy would some one be called a oreo?? Why becuase i want to present myself good and i comb my hair and i wear a nice suit?? What would you call me?? "Oreo" or "Acting White"? WHy would i be called that?? What if i want to be diversed!?! But like Tre said enough of this topic and get back too the main point.

[Yusaku Jon III]

The problem with keeping Dust around is i know, in a few years, some writer will have her in a cleavage costume.Who'll then have to go into hiding to avoid ending up as dog food. Then again, they're getting pretty close to doing it with what Sooraya's wearing now... that's pretty tight-fitting for a burqa.

On the subject of the thread, I'm not at all too thrilled about any of the characters dying. We've had too much of it at this point (heck, let's just say that Jeremy's the "dead" kid and they're pretty much affected by what happened with Northstar, Wing and the others who've died in the past 30 issues of continuity already). Now, if someone goes and gets themselves killed, I might be inclined to say that it could either be Elixir or Tag. More likely Elixir, who's bound to jump in front of one of those honking-big purple robots with the killer sunlamp built into it's arm.

[MrBiggs7]

I thinks it very important to keep in mind that Generation X, X-factor, Excalibur, X-force, and New Mutants went thier full runs without killing a single female rostermate.

Not true but its rare. Magik is the only one that comes to mind.

So do you think maybe...it's time to kill a chick or the females are not likely going to die.

[Siddon]

Not true but its rare. Magik is the only one that comes to mind.

So do you think maybe...it's time to kill a chick or the females are not likely going to die.


Illyana was killed 2 years after New Mutants finished over in Uncanny X-men. And really her death was used to further Peters story has he

regained his brother Mikhail in 285????????
Mikhail went crazy and died sort of in 293?????
Parents were killed in X-men 18????
then Illyana dies in 303
Colossus finds refuse with Magneto in 304
Kitty betrays him in Excalibur 81
Magneto is wiped out in X-men 25

Really it was three years of the X-writers destroying Peter's life, which is why I think Jay is in so much trouble as they already have a healer in Elixer and it would really further Paige or Sam character to have most of their family wiped out.

[Bryan Rios]

Kitty didn't betray him. She moved on and found a new love.

[Chris Lang]

On the subject of the thread, I'm not at all too thrilled about any of the characters dying. We've had too much of it at this point (heck, let's just say that Jeremy's the "dead" kid and they're pretty much affected by what happened with Northstar, Wing and the others who've died in the past 30 issues of continuity already). Now, if someone goes and gets themselves killed, I might be inclined to say that it could either be Elixir or Tag. More likely Elixir, who's bound to jump in front of one of those honking-big purple robots with the killer sunlamp built into it's arm.

I'd say Josh would be a good bet as for someone to kill. I could see him impulsively rushing to save Laurie, then being blasted. Laurie would probably then be so upset over Josh's death that she'd quit and go into limbo.

Another possibility. Cessily gets killed not long after she and Kevin become really friendly (as has already been set up). This pushes Kevin over the edge, and he kills her killers with his death touch. But that doesn't satisfy him. He decides the whole world is sick with rabies, and has to be put out of its misery. He becomes a serial killer, killing every liar and hypocrite and so on he can find. Eventually, he is killed, either by one of the more ruthless X-Men or by a SHIELD sniper, or he kills himself.

I can easily see different writers going this route with him, as Kevin's power is hard to deal with in the long run. As he says in NXM #3, it's a death touch. You don't control it. You never use it.

Personally, I don't want to see any of the New Mutants or Hellions die. But in the long run, it's almost inevitable. One writer's interesting character is another writer's cannon fodder. If a writer doesn't see any future for a certain character, then that character will be lucky if he/she just leaves the team and goes into limbo for a while (and then is actually brought back by a writer who CARES about the character instead of a writer looking for someone to kill). It's sad when such things happen to characters you like, but that's the way it so often happens in comics.

Chris Lang

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I think Its a safe bet Jullian will survive seeing as how Claremont and others have used him. He's no angel except around Sofia. He wants her and she wierdly likes the bad boy. They'd be foolish to kill a great charactor like his.

[xakko]

Kitty didn't betray him. She moved on and found a new love.
It was Excalibur #71 I think, when she was used to trick him into coming down from Avalon by saying she wanted to join him with the acolytes. The X-Men wanted to heal the brain damage caused by the X-cutioner.

Wisdom hadn't entered into it, and once again, Colossus was written as being cool with their relationship by the end of #92, when he asks if Wisdom was good to her. There isn't one panel to suggest he even tried to usurp any of her affection for the entire remaining run of Excalibur

I have got to learn to chill ... sorry

[Bryan Rios]

Ahh, I was assuming whoever said she betrayed him meant #91 and 92. My mistake.

[o1pickleboy]

I don't think they can kill David. I would cause marvel to lose the "positive black hero" like they lost with Sync. Repeating the same mistake wouldn't be good for them.

My personal opinion, they may kill Tag, but the main New Mutant cast is safe. Only I don't think the teachers are. If the New Writer doesn't like Danni and X-Force doesn't want her. She's dead, think of the interesting story that would make. Their teacher killed before their eyes.

Of course I think Danni is safe, but Karma isn't

[Bryan Rios]

I'm pretty sure that both Dani and Karma are safe.. But if they are killed it better be something big and tragic.

[AceOfSpades]

I don't have any great love for prodigy.. he is just too know-it-all, and that bothers me. I think Wither will be the first to bite the dust, he's just so moody and depressed that he kinda has it coming, although maybe he'll be forceed to kill Wallflower and then kill himself out of self-loathing

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Just wanna say that the scene of Kitty and Peter In Uncanny 460# was pretty sweet. Least Claremont seems to be pairing them as a couple.

[Bryan Rios]

Heh, how does that relate to cast members of New X-Men being killed?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Heh, how does that relate to cast members of New X-Men being killed?


Hmmm.......uhhhh hey Isn't X-23 sharing a room with Kitty ? Hey she's a New X-Men soon. ;)

[Gaz]

I don't have any great love for prodigy.. he is just too know-it-all, and that bothers me. I think Wither will be the first to bite the dust, he's just so moody and depressed that he kinda has it coming, although maybe he'll be forceed to kill Wallflower and then kill himself out of self-loathing
Prodigy's SUPPOSED to be smart and know stuff that other people do. That's how his powers work! Grrrrr.

[xakko]

I'm really hoping that Prodigy doesn't get killed... he seems like the sort of person who would make a great teacher or X-Man ally. He doesn't want to be a hero, don't make him one.

[twilight]

Wallflower most probably.

[exilr]

WIther hes going to get himself killed for some reason...i think he is to angry...

Probably true he's got a horrible power for himself. He's killed his father and just seems like the suicide type.

Most likey:
a change twish of events... Prodigy. The kids holding the team back and he saw the future (kinda). Someones gonna kill him.

[exilr]

No clue why, but my demented mind says Josh kills Wither for wrecking his social standing.

[exilr]

Julian is really cool. And he is different from Emma.....alot. Julian has people who care for him....and a girlfriend...possibley a girlfriend....well its a un-offical girlfriend. Becuase of Sofia Julian wont become a bad guy and he wont go onto the bad side becuase someone loves him so much he wont put her through all of that bad stuff.


Way off, but thats what Anakin put Padme through

[Blackcat]

Winddancer or Wallflower and to be honest I wouldn't mind. The only cool character in NM are Icarus and Surge. New Hellions is waaaaay cooler!


.

[Jack Flash]

history would tell us that it'll be Prodigy that takes a fall. I am betting that Wallflower turns bad and Elixir dies though.

[Blackcat]

history would tell us that it'll be Prodigy that takes a fall. I am betting that Wallflower turns bad and Elixir dies though.

I don't think they ever turned a student bad, at least not for long (Mondo). But it would be a great idea. If that would happen it probably will happen to the Hellions, except Dust and Mercury

[Blackcat]

[QUOTE=Jack Flash] history would tell us that it'll be Prodigy that takes a fall. [QUOTE]

Please learn me that part of history, what history tells you he'll die??

[Jack Flash]

"Brainy" powers - Cypher died
Everyman relatable character - Synch died
Power depended on others - Synch died

that just leads me to believe it'll be Prodigy that goes.

and students/young mutants going bad....
Magik sorta went bad. Feral has also gone bad (way bad). Same with Mimic.

[mattbib]

No basis for it, but everytime I see this thread I think "Prodigy." So that's my answer. Prodigy will be the first to die.

[Corey Dreher]

People of ye little faith!! Prodigy won't die, they need him. Since every great child leader is dying they need atleast one of them to stay alive becuase if the X-men are beat by a enemy the Kids have to fight them!! Prodigy is way to important. Synch, they made a horrible mistake killing him. But as we see in the last issue, they couldn't handle Blob them selves. The Kids had to, and who was their leader? Prodigy. He will live, I belive it. Plus secondary mutations can happen where he becomes a full fledged telepath. And we all know telepaths don't die. Except for Jean and like I said she doesn't die. So yeah you never know.

[Ryan K]

Interesting time to bump this thread.

[Faded]

I think you were on point with your post, Ryan, though I'd bump Hellion and Mercury up a level.

[xakko]

If Wither goes, it would probably heroically. Tag would get offed senselessly by some villain for the shock value. Any thoughts?

I feel so prescient.

[Ryan K]

I think you were on point with your post, Ryan, though I'd bump Hellion and Mercury up a level.

Yeah. I ranked them 1-12 on the odds of them getting killed and then broke them into the 4 categories. I should have switched Mercury and Hellion with Prodigy and Icarus it seems. I think this was before the Hellions mini (and before the announcement of the new team). Who knew Marvel was gonna get behind some of those characters.

But its kinda funny how most peopled had Tag tagged so to speak. :D

[Ryan K]

I feel so prescient.

Me too.

Also, history shows us that the deaths often occur after the creators of said characters leave the title.

Assuming Tag's really dead (and its a stretch to think he's not) then he wins the contest, with only 4 months since the departure of his creator's before meeting his doom.

[Tre Styles]

I think that Wallflower, Tag, and Rockslide are all characters who might be on the chopping block. The one thing that I could see saving Laurie, is that she has the potential to be an "Empath" like character where she could be able to manipulate the emotions of others. Of course, her evil psychatrist daddy will probably play a role in making her the villian. She's well on her way now that Josh has broke her heart, she's becoming more and more "cold" and manipulating to others. (Note: Making David kiss her is one example of her steps towards EVVVVIIIIIL ;) )
Julian and Sofia have this incredible dynamic thing going....and fans love it. Julian is the bad boy who has the potential to be either a really cool villian, or a morally ambigious hero.(Like Wolverine) I could see Icarus dying though....maybe that's what this his healing factor is not what we thought it was bit is about .....Sooraya aka Dust...too interesting to kill....or maybe not....Surge, nope. No killing Noriko. And while I don't think that they should kill Prodigy, because he's just like a young Taskmaster, they might, because he's also considered to be as some said "normal", when he's not, but some consider him as such...... ;) :cool: [/FONT]


I think I pretty much called it as well, with the exception of Rockslide and Mercury, and without thinking x-23 would be on the team, nor knowing about the decimation factor......

[Blackcat]

Well, we have 4 known students dead now since spoiler: the bus blew up, with Tag, Dryad, Network and DJ

[milly3cat]

I feel so prescient.
Holy cow you are the new Preview. :eek: . I will watch out for your posts in the future Xakko with great interest. :)