Who did they kill?

[Blackcat]

Logan killed off a lot of people. But how about the other X-Men? Colossus killed Riptide and Proteus, Storm killed Marrow once. Who did the X-Men kill or did not kill at all?

Rogue?
Emma?
Polaris?
Psylocke?
Marvelgirl (Rachel)?
Shadowcat?
Storm?

Cyclops?
Colossus?
Havok?
Iceman?
Archangel?
Beast?
Gambit?
Bishop?
Nightcrawler?
Cannonball?

[fishtaco]

Logan killed off a lot of people. But how about the other X-Men? Colossus killed Riptide and Proteus, Storm killed Marrow once. Who did the X-Men kill or did not kill at all?

Rogue?
Emma?
Polaris?
Psylocke?
Marvelgirl (Rachel)?
Shadowcat?
Storm?

Cyclops?
Colossus?
Havok?
Iceman?
Archangel?
Beast?
Gambit?
Bishop?
Nightcrawler?
Cannonball?
Rogue: Goth,
Emma Frost: John Sublime,
Polaris: Church of Humanity dudes, some Golgotha dude.
Psylocke: Kaptain Briton,
Marvel Girl: ...
Shadowcat: some dude in Excalibur 16.
Storm: Brood people, someone who tried to rape her
Cyclops: Candra,
Magneto: Fabian Cortez, Zaladane, Ms Marvel persona, Zealot,
Colossus: Riptide, Brood people, Proteus,
Cable: Apocalypse, Sumo,
Archangel: Kamikaze,
Beast:
Gambit: Julien Boudreax, Pig,
Bishop: Styglut, a bunch of criminals from the future, Chronomancer
Nightcrawler: Stephen Szardos,

Ill fill more out.

[The Lucky One]

Cyclops killed Candra? When was that? (And he also killed Ugly John.)

-D

[PrimalScream]

i thought candra was immortal-as in cannot be killed.

[fishtaco]

i thought candra was immortal-as in cannot be killed.Candra was an X-Ternal. In X-Force 52-54 and X-Force 37, it became very clear that even an X-Ternal can die, but only for extreme situations. As part of the Upstarts competition, Selene (also an X-Ternal), killed the most of the X-Ternals (Gideon, Saul, Absalom, and Crule). I forget which issue Cyclops killed Candra. Nicodemeous and Burke both died of a Legacy Virus, and Selene is still out there. Apocalypse was said to be an X-ternal, but that was retconned thankfully. Cannonball seemed to be an X-Ternal when Sauron killed him in X-Force 7, but Selene laughed at Meltdown when Meltdown said that she cant kill Sam because he is an X-Ternal. She claimed that he was not an X-Ternal. That was never followed up upon.

Behind the scenes, the main reason Marvel got rid of the X-Ternals was for copy right reasons, and they feared a lawsuit from DC.

[Atom_basher]

im glad as far as we know Beast hasnted killed anyone, i hope it stays that way

[fishtaco]

im glad as far as we know Beast hasnted killed anyone, i hope it stays that way]IIRC, he set up Plague so she would be impaled by the antenna of Chrysler building in X-Factor 25. Dont quote me on that though...

[The Lucky One]

Jean killed Prizm of the Marauders. The Phoenix killed that whole planet of broccoli people. Plus Emma Frost, though they retconned that PDQ.

-D

[PerfectBrak]

Emma Frost: John Sublime,


Didn't Martha Johansson coerce Sublime to fall, hence Emma claiming he slipped from her hands?

[Gaz]

This is pretty appropriate given that the X-Men were the more pragmatic, "kill her" side in HoM #1 (Emma and Logan, anyway).

[fishtaco]

Didn't Martha Johansson coerce Sublime to fall, hence Emma claiming he slipped from her hands?You may be right. I never actually read that issue, so I dont know the details.

[Gaz]

Didn't Martha Johansson coerce Sublime to fall, hence Emma claiming he slipped from her hands?
It's unclear, he was certainly being whammied by Martha, but we don't know if he was made to fall or if Emma deliberately dropped him.

[DDM]

Rachel Summers killed an untold number of mutants in her alternate future Earth as a Hound master. Rachel, as Phoenix, came close to murdering Selene, the Black Queen (Uncanny X-Men #207).
Rachel almost destroyed the universe by breaking open the M'Krann Crystal (Uncanny X-Men #202-203).

[jarrod]

Rachel also killed Necrom in Excalibur #50, sacrificing herself in the process.

[streator]

we had a very similar thread recently, i think it began as just wolverine's kill count but then it included others.

[xakko]

Emma killed the previous White King and White Queen, some Hellfire operatives, and Firestar's horse

[jarrod]

Didn't Emma kill one of her sisters too?

[Vector]

IIRC, Sage killed several of Khan's troopers when she broke into a control room trying to track down Storm's location.

[DDM]

Emma killed the previous White King and White Queen, some Hellfire operatives, and Firestar's horse

Emma Frost killed Paris Seville, the White Queen, by telepathically controlling Edward Buckman's motor control of his body which Buckman shot Seville, killing her instantly. Sebastian Shaw murdered Buckman himself though by breaking his neck.

[DDM]

Rachel also killed Necrom in Excalibur #50, sacrificing herself in the process.

Necrom absorbed Rachel's lifeforce, but could not cope with the absolute powers of the Phoenix. The Phoenix, in turn, destroyed Necrom.

[xakko]

Emma Frost killed Paris Seville, the White Queen, by telepathically controlling Edward Buckman's motor control of his body which Buckman shot Seville, killing her instantly. Sebastian Shaw murdered Buckman himself though by breaking his neck.

Oops- my bad. I just remember a scene with him with the gun against his own head. And she did kill her sister Adrienne.

[DDM]

Oops- my bad. I just remember a scene with him with the gun against his own head. And she did kill her sister Adrienne.

In the same issue, while Frost controlled Buckman's body, she also shot & killed all the Hellfire Club mercenaries & the human Council of the Chosen.

[Joe Zool]

though they retconned that PDQ.

-D

PDQ???






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[Dizzy D]

Rogue: You could consider what she did to Carol Danvers murder. And while she was mad she certainly tried to kill Dazzler.

Psylocke: A few Chinese crime bosses when she was Lady Mandarin. And she was willing to kill Havok to protect the X-men's cover.

Storm: Apart from Marrow, she was willing to kill Callisto in their duel, only the Healer rescued her.

Cyclops: Sinister, but that turned out to be a trick. Apocalypse, but he got better (Cyclops expected that would happen when he did it).

Havok: Blockbuster from the Marauders is the first one that comes to mind.. And the only one so far.

Archangel: He beheaded Cameron Hodge, but Hodge lived on due to a deal with a demon. And he killed several vampire-like creatures as a member of X-factor if they count.

Xavier himself killed Amahl Farouk, the (host)body of the Shadow King. Of course the Shadow King lived (if you can call it life) on as an astral entity. And he tried to kill Cassandra Nova in self-defense.

[xakko]

Havok: Blockbuster from the Marauders is the first one that comes to mind.. And the only one so far.


Tension of the Brood Mutants. He agonized over that

[streator]

maybe we didnt talk about other x-men cilling people in the thread i mentioned before... i cant remember

anyway

storm killed n'satri whatever (the demon from inferno) with a bolt of lighning that overloaded his system
forge shot and killed the first skullbuster
banshee killed as an interpol agent
bishop killed a bunch of prison escapees when he first appeared chasing them down in the mu; he also killed fitzroy later in bishop: the last x-man
if i remember correctly, polaris and jean killed some church-of-humanity members in austen's uncanny

[The Lucky One]

PDQ???

Pretty damn quick.
;)

-D

[fishtaco]

Sage didnt kill Khan's troops. She probably knocked them out cold for a few hours, though.

Sage killed all those terrorists who were raping and killing the UN workers in Afghanistan, as revealed in X-Treme X-men 43.

[LordAllMighty]

The X-Person with the highest kill rate would have to be Prof. X. IIRC, two times, the dark part of Xavier's soul killed millions of people and destoryed two worlds.

[fishtaco]

The X-Person with the highest kill rate would have to be Prof. X. IIRC, two times, the dark part of Xavier's soul killed millions of people and destoryed two worlds.What about Phoenix? It killed 5 billion people!

[Vector]

Sage didnt kill Khan's troops. She probably knocked them out cold for a few hours, though.

They look dead to me. They are sprawled on the floor with blood all over them.


Sage killed all those terrorists who were raping and killing the UN workers in Afghanistan, as revealed in X-Treme X-men 43.

:cool:

[Vector]

Argh, I submitted a post here and it isn't showing up. :mad:

EDIT: There it goes. :o

[jarrod]

Necrom absorbed Rachel's lifeforce, but could not cope with the absolute powers of the Phoenix. The Phoenix, in turn, destroyed Necrom.
Sure, but Rachel allowed it to happen knowing they'd both be destroyed. It wasn't so much "The Phoneix" destroyed Necrom as it was him being destroyed in the process of absorbing it, not being able to contain it. The whole thing was Rachel's plan though.

[DDM]

Sure, but Rachel allowed it to happen knowing they'd both be destroyed. It wasn't so much "The Phoneix" destroyed Necrom as it was him being destroyed in the process of absorbing it, not being able to contain it. The whole thing was Rachel's plan though.

But Necrom still absorbed Rachel's lifeforce. The Phoenix being a sentient elemental force rejected Necrom; therefore, the Phoenix destroyed him. Rachel was also saved by the Phoenix since the Phoenix Force restored her mind & soul that had been destroyed by Necrom.

[Uncle Nobs]

Do we know exactly whom Rachel killed in the DOFP future?

[Uncle Nobs]

Hello...? No takers? Okay, I'll try it again:

From DOFP flashbacks, we know she didn't kill Ororo, Logan, Piotr, Franklin, or Kitty. But has it ever been revealed exactly who she did kill? :confused:

[Rachel Grey]

Physically? No one. IIRC she just pointed them out for the kill squads.

But that may be a ret-con.

[Holland]

Cecelia Reyes killed one of the Neo during Claremont's run.

[Blackcat]

Cecelia Reyes killed one of the Neo during Claremont's run.

Yeah: Jeager

.

[Jack Flash]

Hello...? No takers? Okay, I'll try it again:

From DOFP flashbacks, we know she didn't kill Ororo, Logan, Piotr, Franklin, or Kitty. But has it ever been revealed exactly who she did kill? :confused:

I am pretty sure that it's never been shown who she killed. But she has mentioned that she did kill.

[DDM]

Do we know exactly whom Rachel killed in the DOFP future?

No, Rachel has never revealed who she killed in her future. She rarely talks about it to even her close friend, Kitty Pryde. Rachel did not even tell Kitty about her facial tattoos that marked her as a Hound. The only X-Man she told about her being a mutant Hound is Magneto in Uncanny X-Men #196.

[cable guy]

Cecelia Reyes killed one of the Neo during Claremont's run.

She did?

Off topic a little but, I loved when Magneto came back, and some of the Neo attacked him and he Literally Ripped them apart.

[streator]

She did?

Off topic a little but, I loved when Magneto came back, and some of the Neo attacked him and he Literally Ripped them apart.
yeah, in x-men 100 or 101. she was protecting nightcrawler and using her shields offensively, she formed a spike and rammed it through jaeger, killing him.
rogue also killed 'the goth' during revolution as well.

[fishtaco]

The name of the Neo that Cecelia killed was named Jaegar.

[Kirayoshi]

Kitty, IIRC, did set out with intention to kill once. In the "True Friends" mini, where she and Rachel ended up time-travelling to London during the '30s (in time for the Blitz), Kitty fell for a handsome young RAF pilot, and at one point got it into her head to travel to Germany and kill Adolf Hitler before he could impliment his 'Final Solution'.

[Rocky the Flying Squirrel] But that trick never works! [/Rocky the Flying Squirrel]

[jarrod]

But Necrom still absorbed Rachel's lifeforce. The Phoenix being a sentient elemental force rejected Necrom; therefore, the Phoenix destroyed him. Rachel was also saved by the Phoenix since the Phoenix Force restored her mind & soul that had been destroyed by Necrom.
I disagree, it seemed clear that Necrom was simply incapable of containing the Phoenix... there was no rejection, it was just more than he bargined for. That's what Rachel was betting on, it was her plan, it was her kill.

Also, the Phoenix alone didn't restore Rachel... Roma reformed her body and delivered it to Excalibur iirc.

[DDM]

I disagree, it seemed clear that Necrom was simply incapable of containing the Phoenix... there was no rejection, it was just more than he bargined for. That's what Rachel was betting on, it was her plan, it was her kill.

Also, the Phoenix alone didn't restore Rachel... Roma reformed her body and delivered it to Excalibur iirc.

The Phoenix restored Rachel's body, but the sentient force said it would take considerable time before Rachel's soul could be restored; therefore, the Phoenix took Rachel's body in deep space. Yes, the Phoenix rejected Necrom--destroying his body, killing him--since it had long been bonded with Rachel Summers since before she was born.

Roma just teleported Rachel's body back to Earth, but the Phoenix Force blocked Roma's probes.

[jarrod]

Yes, the Phoenix rejected Necrom--destroying his body, killing him--since it had long been bonded with Rachel Summers since before she was born.
Nowhere did it state the Phoenix "rejected" Necrom, in fact the very reason Rachel's plan worked was because she was bonded to the Phoneix. Knowing Necrom is a sort of vampire, she allowed him to absorb her life force knowing that he wouldn't would be able to absorb the whole of the Phoenix with it.

Nowhere did the "sentient" Phoenix (which *really* doesn't exist... but that's another argument entirely) decide to reject and destory Necrom. It was all Rachel's cunning, banking on Necrom's limits. It was Rachel's kill. The Phoenix was simply the murder weapon.


Roma just teleported Rachel's body back to Earth, but the Phoenix Force blocked Roma's probes.
This could be true though now that I think about it.... but I thought Roma said something about restoring Rachel's body? Anyone have Excalibur #50 handy?

[DDM]

Nowhere did it state the Phoenix "rejected" Necrom, in fact the very reason Rachel's plan worked was because she was bonded to the Phoneix. Knowing Necrom is a sort of vampire, she allowed him to absorb her life force knowing that he wouldn't would be able to absorb the whole of the Phoenix with it.

Nowhere did the "sentient" Phoenix (which *really* doesn't exist... but that's another argument entirely) decide to reject and destory Necrom. It was all Rachel's cunning, banking on Necrom's limits. It was Rachel's kill. The Phoenix was simply the murder weapon.

Reread Excalibur #52. The Phoenix tells the X-Men that it saved Rachel because she had long accepted the Phoenix Force as her name & power (unlike Jean's apprehension with her history being Phoenix). The Phoenix then takes Rachel into deep space as it heals her mind & soul.

Alan Davis' origin story contradicts Claremont's Phoenix origin. However, Chris Claremont always intended Rachel Summers to be the next Phoenix. Jean Grey's children will have a genetic key to access the cosmic force. Since Rachel is Jean's child, Rachel is Phoenix. Claremont may be able to tell his original story that Rachel Summers is the child of Jean Grey & the Phoenix Force in a future issue of Uncanny X-Men.

[jarrod]

Reread Excalibur #52. The Phoenix tells the X-Men that it saved Rachel because she had long accepted the Phoenix Force as her name & power (unlike Jean's apprehension with her history being Phoenix). The Phoenix then takes Rachel into deep space as it heals her mind & soul.
I understand, but in regard to Necrom? Where is it said the sentient Phoenix destoryed him exactly?


Alan Davis' origin story contradicts Claremont's Phoenix origin. However, Chris Claremont always intended Rachel Summers to be the next Phoenix. Jean Grey's children will have a genetic key to access the cosmic force. Since Rachel is Jean's child, Rachel is Phoenix. Claremont may be able to tell his original story that Rachel Summers is the child of Jean Grey & the Phoenix Force in a future issue of Uncanny X-Men.
Yeah, in the end Davis just compliacted things further. I tend to subscribe to Morrisson's steamlining of the Phoenix concept, making it more along the lines of an immune system for the multiverse with an infinite amount of avatars spread throughout reality forming a collective force. Meaning Jean and Rachel aren't so much just connected to a cosmic force, they're actually part of it. It is them, but it's also bigger than them. The concept works on multiple levels and gels with Claremont's own views rather nicely.

Of course, this sort of makes the various X-Factor and Excalibur retcons of the Jean/Phoenix/Rachel dynamic a bit complicated. Pak's notion that the "sentient" Phoenix we've seen was really just part of Jean works but it's a bit silly in my opinion. For the Excalibur stories at least, I'd prefer to think that the Phoenix represented was really Jean herself speaking backwards through time from the White Hot Room.

[DDM]

I understand, but in regard to Necrom? Where is it said the sentient Phoenix destoryed him exactly?

Necrom is completely destroyed by the Phoenix in Excalibur #50 when he absorbs Rachel's lifeforce. The fact the Phoenix did not do the same for Rachel speaks volumes that it wants to stay bonded to Rachel Summers.

[jarrod]

Necrom is completely destroyed by the Phoenix in Excalibur #50 when he absorbs Rachel's lifeforce. The fact the Phoenix did not do the same for Rachel speaks volumes that it wants to stay bonded to Rachel Summers.
Rachel was destroyed as well. The Phoenix reformed her afterwards.

Necrom was destroyed because he couldn't contain the Phoenix. And when he absorbed Rachel's lifeforce, the Phoneix comes with that... which also works nicely with Morrisson's steamlining. "Rachel is just the house where I live" and all that. ;)

[exilr]

Jean Grey Comitted Suicide to kill The Dark Phoinex.

If that counts

[DDM]

Jean Grey Comitted Suicide to kill The Dark Phoinex.

If that counts

Jean Grey was Dark Phoenix. They were not separate entities.